On 5/26/2022 3:09 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:

> []
>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an English
>> mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over 99.9% of native
>> English speakers do not know that.

> Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much smaller!

Hardly more than barrows.

Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 May 2022 09:15:22 +0200
> nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>
> > Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 26 May 2022 20:34:28 +0200
> > > Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
> > > []
> > > > the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an English
> > > > mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over 99.9% of native
> > > > English speakers do not know that.
> > >
> > > Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much smaller!
> >
> > But Dutch mountains are smaller still!!
> >
> Try Nauru. Blimey 71m! Let's use a Famous Wiktionary:
>
> Tuvalu 5m max.

Excercise: spot the mountain, aka the 'berg' in
<https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillegersberg>
(hint, it is under the church)

Jan
(the //en. version has an inferior picture)

On 27/05/2022 11:54 am, CDB wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 3:09 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>
>> []
>>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an
>>> English mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over
>>> 99.9% of native English speakers do not know that.
>
>> Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much smaller!
>
> Hardly more than barrows.

Try climbing one. They're higher than they look.

--
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Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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On 5/27/2022 6:59 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:

>>> []
>>>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an
>>>> English mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over
>>>> 99.9% of native English speakers do not know that.

>>> Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much smaller!

>> Hardly more than barrows.

> Try climbing one. They're higher than they look.

Yabbut,

'barrow (n.2)

"mound, hill, grave-mound," Old English beorg (West Saxon), berg
(Anglian) "barrow, mountain, hill, mound," from Proto-Germanic *bergaz
(source also of Middle Dutch berch, Old Saxon, Old High German berg
"mountain," Old Frisian berch, birg "mountain, mountainous area," Old
Norse bjarg "rock, mountain"), from PIE root *bhergh- (2) "high," with
derivatives referring to hills and hill-forts.'

https://www.etymonline.com/word/barrow

"

On 27/05/2022 1:57 pm, CDB wrote:
> On 5/27/2022 6:59 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> CDB wrote:
>>> John wrote:
>>>> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>
>>>> []
>>>>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an
>>>>> English mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over
>>>>> 99.9% of native English speakers do not know that.
>
>>>> Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much smaller!
>
>>> Hardly more than barrows.
>
>> Try climbing one. They're higher than they look.
>
> Yabbut,
>
> 'barrow (n.2)
>
> "mound, hill, grave-mound," Old English beorg (West Saxon), berg
> (Anglian) "barrow, mountain, hill, mound," from Proto-Germanic
> *bergaz
> (source also of Middle Dutch berch, Old Saxon, Old High German berg
> "mountain," Old Frisian berch, birg "mountain, mountainous area,"
> Old
> Norse bjarg "rock, mountain"), from PIE root *bhergh- (2) "high,"
> with
> derivatives referring to hills and hill-forts.'
>
> https://www.etymonline.com/word/barrow

Yabbut, I've climbed a barrow (Hetty Pegler's Tump -- height
9.8m), and I've climbed a mountain, and my legs can easily tell
them apart.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 2:54:10 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Thu, 26 May 2022 20:34:28 +0200: Silvano
> <Sil...@noncisonopernessuno.it> scribeva:

> >Also, we have in South Tyrol Ortisei (Italian) / St. Ulrich in Gröden
> >(German), Vipiteno (Italian) / Sterzing (German) and many more. In
> >Hungary: Pécs (Hungarian) / Fünfkirchen (German, perhaps outdated, but
> >please ask Austrians about it, as they still call Slovenia's capital
> >Laibach) and many more. In Poland (since 1945): Jelenia Góra (Polish) /
> >Hirschberg (German) and many more.
>
> Pressburg. Bratislava.

Lemberg/Lviv (or how it's actually pronounced in Ukr.)

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 4:41:06 AM UTC-4, Silvano wrote:
> Kerr-Mudd, John hat am 26.05.2022 um 21:09 geschrieben:
> > On Thu, 26 May 2022 20:34:28 +0200
> > Silvano <Sil...@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:

> >> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an English
> >> mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over 99.9% of native
> >> English speakers do not know that.
> > Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much smaller!
>
> Good joke, but: do you call e.g. the Mont Blanc a "mountain" in English?

Many think it's one of the finest fountain pens available.

On Fri, 27 May 2022 09:45:02 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 May 2022 10:40:59 +0200
>Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>
>> Kerr-Mudd, John hat am 26.05.2022 um 21:09 geschrieben:
>> > On Thu, 26 May 2022 20:34:28 +0200
>> > Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>> > []
>> >> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an English
>> >> mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over 99.9% of native
>> >> English speakers do not know that.
>> >
>> > Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much smaller!
>>
>>
>> Good joke, but: do you call e.g. the Mont Blanc a "mountain" in English?
>
>I would.
>I don't think I'd say "the mountain Mont Blanc", but I don't think it would strike Native Speakers as obviously wrong.

When I was there, it was Monte Bianco for a while, then it became Mont
Blanc.

On 5/27/2022 9:12 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:

>>>>> []
>>>>>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an
>>>>>> English mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over
>>>>>> 99.9% of native English speakers do not know that.

>>>>> Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much smaller!

>>>> Hardly more than barrows.

>>> Try climbing one. They're higher than they look.

>> Yabbut,

>> 'barrow (n.2)

>> "mound, hill, grave-mound," Old English beorg (West Saxon), berg
>> (Anglian) "barrow, mountain, hill, mound," from Proto-Germanic
>> *bergaz (source also of Middle Dutch berch, Old Saxon, Old High
>> German berg "mountain," Old Frisian berch, birg "mountain,
>> mountainous area," Old Norse bjarg "rock, mountain"), from PIE root
>> *bhergh- (2) "high," with derivatives referring to hills and
>> hill-forts.'

>> https://www.etymonline.com/word/barrow

> Yabbut, I've climbed a barrow (Hetty Pegler's Tump -- height 9.8m),
> and I've climbed a mountain, and my legs can easily tell them apart.

You snipped the paragraph I was responding to:

"the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an
English mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over
99.9% of native English speakers do not know that".

On 27/05/2022 6:29 pm, CDB wrote:
> On 5/27/2022 9:12 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> CDB wrote:
>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>
>>>>>> []
>>>>>>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an
>>>>>>> English mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over
>>>>>>> 99.9% of native English speakers do not know that.
>
>>>>>> Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much smaller!
>
>>>>> Hardly more than barrows.
>
>>>> Try climbing one. They're higher than they look.
>
>>> Yabbut,
>
>>> 'barrow (n.2)
>
>>> "mound, hill, grave-mound," Old English beorg (West Saxon),
>>> berg (Anglian) "barrow, mountain, hill, mound," from
>>> Proto-Germanic
>>> *bergaz (source also of Middle Dutch berch, Old Saxon, Old High
>>> German berg "mountain," Old Frisian berch, birg "mountain,
>>> mountainous area," Old Norse bjarg "rock, mountain"), from PIE
>>> root
>>> *bhergh- (2) "high," with derivatives referring to hills and
>>> hill-forts.'
>
>>> https://www.etymonline.com/word/barrow
>
>> Yabbut, I've climbed a barrow (Hetty Pegler's Tump -- height
>> 9.8m),
>> and I've climbed a mountain, and my legs can easily tell them
>> apart.
>
> You snipped the paragraph I was responding to:
>
> "the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an
> English mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over
> 99.9% of native English speakers do not know that".

No, I didn't snip that paragraph.

--
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Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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Fri, 27 May 2022 10:43:45 +0200: Silvano
<Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> scribeva:

>Ruud Harmsen hat am 27.05.2022 um 08:52 geschrieben:
>> Thu, 26 May 2022 20:34:28 +0200: Silvano
>> <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> scribeva:
>>
>>> Italian friends of mine got lost on a Belgian highway before Internet
>>> and navis, because they knew the first two names, but they could see
>>> only the third one on Belgian highways on the French-speaking side they
>>> were coming from.
>>
>> Well, but they call München/Munich Monaco, which is quite confusing.
>
>
>Wrong. We always say "Monaco di Baviera", precisely to avoid confusion
>with the small country of Monaco.

OK.

On 5/27/2022 1:51 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>>> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:

>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and
>>>>>>>> an English mountain are the same thing, but I guess
>>>>>>>> than over 99.9% of native English speakers do not know
>>>>>>>> that.

>>>>>>> Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much
>>>>>>> smaller!

>>>>>> Hardly more than barrows.

>>>>> Try climbing one. They're higher than they look.

>>>> Yabbut,

>>>> 'barrow (n.2)

>>>> "mound, hill, grave-mound," Old English beorg (West Saxon),
>>>> berg (Anglian) "barrow, mountain, hill, mound," from
>>>> Proto-Germanic *bergaz (source also of Middle Dutch berch, Old
>>>> Saxon, Old High German berg "mountain," Old Frisian berch, birg
>>>> "mountain, mountainous area," Old Norse bjarg "rock,
>>>> mountain"), from PIE root *bhergh- (2) "high," with derivatives
>>>> referring to hills and hill-forts.'

>>>> https://www.etymonline.com/word/barrow

>>> Yabbut, I've climbed a barrow (Hetty Pegler's Tump -- height
>>> 9.8m), and I've climbed a mountain, and my legs can easily tell
>>> them apart.

>> You snipped the paragraph I was responding to:

>> "the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an English
>> mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over 99.9% of native
>> English speakers do not know that".

> No, I didn't snip that paragraph.

Right, sorry. The Mudge did it, listed in the credits as "John".

Den 28-05-2022 kl. 12:43 skrev CDB:
> On 5/27/2022 1:51 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> CDB wrote:
>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>>>> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and
>>>>>>>>> an English mountain are the same thing, but I guess
>>>>>>>>> than over 99.9% of native English speakers do not know
>>>>>>>>> that.
>
>>>>>>>> Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much
>>>>>>>> smaller!
>
>>>>>>> Hardly more than barrows.
>
>>>>>> Try climbing one. They're higher than they look.
>
>>>>> Yabbut,
>
>>>>> 'barrow (n.2)
>
>>>>> "mound, hill, grave-mound," Old English beorg (West Saxon),
>>>>> berg (Anglian) "barrow, mountain, hill, mound," from
>>>>> Proto-Germanic *bergaz (source also of Middle Dutch berch, Old
>>>>> Saxon, Old High German berg "mountain," Old Frisian berch, birg
>>>>> "mountain, mountainous area," Old Norse bjarg "rock,
>>>>> mountain"), from PIE root *bhergh- (2) "high," with derivatives
>>>>> referring to hills and hill-forts.'
>
>>>>> https://www.etymonline.com/word/barrow
>
>>>> Yabbut, I've climbed a barrow (Hetty Pegler's Tump -- height
>>>> 9.8m), and I've climbed a mountain, and my legs can easily tell
>>>> them apart.
>
>>> You snipped the paragraph I was responding to:
>
>>> "the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an English
>>> mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over 99.9% of native
>>> English speakers do not know that".
>
>> No, I didn't snip that paragraph.
>
> Right, sorry.  The Mudge did it, listed in the credits as "John".

?? It's still up there, in fact as the very first contents in the post.

/Anders, Denmark

On Sun, 29 May 2022 23:20:08 +0200
"Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Den 28-05-2022 kl. 12:43 skrev CDB:
> > On 5/27/2022 1:51 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >> CDB wrote:
> >>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >>>> CDB wrote:
> >>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >>>>>> CDB wrote:
> >>>>>>> John wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>> []
> >>>>>>>>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and
> >>>>>>>>> an English mountain are the same thing, but I guess
> >>>>>>>>> than over 99.9% of native English speakers do not know
> >>>>>>>>> that.
> >

[]
> >>> You snipped the paragraph I was responding to:
> >
> >>> "the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an English
> >>> mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over 99.9% of native
> >>> English speakers do not know that".
> >
> >> No, I didn't snip that paragraph.
> >
> > Right, sorry.  The Mudge did it, listed in the credits as "John".
>
> ?? It's still up there, in fact as the very first contents in the post.

I was worried for a moment.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 5/29/2022 5:20 PM, Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
> CDB:
>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>>>> the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra
>>>>>>>>>> and an English mountain are the same thing, but I
>>>>>>>>>> guess than over 99.9% of native English speakers do
>>>>>>>>>> not know that.

>>>>>>>>> Hardly the same thing; English mountains are much
>>>>>>>>> smaller!

>>>>>>>> Hardly more than barrows.

>>>>>>> Try climbing one. They're higher than they look.

>>>>>> Yabbut,

>>>>>> 'barrow (n.2)

>>>>>> "mound, hill, grave-mound," Old English beorg (West
>>>>>> Saxon), berg (Anglian) "barrow, mountain, hill, mound,"
>>>>>> from Proto-Germanic *bergaz (source also of Middle Dutch
>>>>>> berch, Old Saxon, Old High German berg "mountain," Old
>>>>>> Frisian berch, birg "mountain, mountainous area," Old Norse
>>>>>> bjarg "rock, mountain"), from PIE root *bhergh- (2) "high,"
>>>>>> with derivatives referring to hills and hill-forts.'

>>>>>> https://www.etymonline.com/word/barrow

>>>>> Yabbut, I've climbed a barrow (Hetty Pegler's Tump -- height
>>>>> 9.8m), and I've climbed a mountain, and my legs can easily
>>>>> tell them apart.

>>>> You snipped the paragraph I was responding to:

>>>> "the same animal. Also, a German Berg, a Polish góra and an
>>>> English mountain are the same thing, but I guess than over
>>>> 99.9% of native English speakers do not know that".

>>> No, I didn't snip that paragraph.

>> Right, sorry. The Mudge did it, listed in the credits as "John".

> ?? It's still up there, in fact as the very first contents in the
> post.

There are different versions floating around, some more radically
snipped than others. In the one where I wrongly claimed that RH had
snipped context, context had been snipped. Further discussions were
attached to the relatively unsnipped version you used. I CBA search
them out again, sorry.

--
CTA

Lets not change names. Lets stop catering to the fragile sensibilities of those who are offended by everything. How about we get offended at them for being so offended.