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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:26 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:18:57 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>>
>>>> Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
>>>
>>> Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
>>> made an error.  Look again.  Nobody is so smart that they don't make
>>> mistakes.
>>
>> There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
>> beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
>> lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
>> brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
>> be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
>> transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
>> found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
>> even doubt that study!
>>
>
>Or the more obvious thing about antidepressivas being effective, it is
>shown in many studies that ad's have only a very slight above
>placeboeffect effect, but the pharmamafia somehow managed to manipulate
>the studies in choosing selective data showing that it seemed to have an
>actual effect!

No doubt there is some of that, same with tobacco companies. Wouldn't
it be great to have the tools necessary to truly sort all that out for
yourself?
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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:29 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 19:17 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>
> It is also true that you need the background and the evaluative tools
> and the math skills you get at university to decide what to believe.

So believe needs math?

> You can't simply step up to scientific research without that and
> expect to know what's what.
>

You are actually saying that i can't think properly because i didn't
visit a university and with a non-univerity mind you can't think about
univerity problems!

> If you do well, get the degrees, become the prof and do your own
> research, other prof's will read what you say and maybe even try to
> duplicate it if they think your idea has potential. It is true that
> an awful lot of published research did not get duplicated, did not
> attract interest of a prof who might have done that. If you don't see
> people trying to duplicate an particular idea, you know what that
> means.

regarding duplicating see dopamin theory and antidepressiva studies as i
wrote in the other posts!

>
> One aptitude a phd has that you and I do not, is associative power.
> That is where you can spend some years studying the literature of your
> discipline and end up remembering all of it, who wrote it, what it
> says, and what page to find it on in what resource. That means the

You are confusing association with remebering/learning things

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/association

> ability to put a whole lot of information together and know what it
> all means. You would demonstrate this ability to other phd's when you
> defend your dissertation standing in front of them. No notes, every
> thing comes straight out of your brain and then out of your mouth.
>

Looking just at germany, or simply the fact that the profs don't know of
all studies that ever been published, a lot of german polticians have
been found lately in plagiarising unknown studies from other scientists!

> That does not mean that phd's are superheros, don't have human faults,
> and don't make mistakes.
>
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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:31 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 19:26 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>
> No doubt there is some of that, same with tobacco companies. Wouldn't
> it be great to have the tools necessary to truly sort all that out for
> yourself?

Yes there's AI which can do that for you!

--
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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:38 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:29:51 +0200, Venus as a Boy
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>Am 21.07.2021 um 19:17 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>
>> It is also true that you need the background and the evaluative tools
>> and the math skills you get at university to decide what to believe.
>
>So believe needs math?

Believing needs nothing. Knowing what to believe requires math if you
are reading scientific literature.

>
>> You can't simply step up to scientific research without that and
>> expect to know what's what.
>>
>
>You are actually saying that i can't think properly because i didn't
>visit a university and with a non-univerity mind you can't think about
>univerity problems!

You can be rational if you decide to do that. That does not mean you
have the tools to evaluate scientific literature.

>> If you do well, get the degrees, become the prof and do your own
>> research, other prof's will read what you say and maybe even try to
>> duplicate it if they think your idea has potential. It is true that
>> an awful lot of published research did not get duplicated, did not
>> attract interest of a prof who might have done that. If you don't see
>> people trying to duplicate an particular idea, you know what that
>> means.
>
>regarding duplicating see dopamin theory and antidepressiva studies as i
>wrote in the other posts!

Yes, right now, neither of us has the tools to know what that all
means.

>>
>> One aptitude a phd has that you and I do not, is associative power.
>> That is where you can spend some years studying the literature of your
>> discipline and end up remembering all of it, who wrote it, what it
>> says, and what page to find it on in what resource. That means the
>
>You are confusing association with remebering/learning things

Remembering things is not the same as collecting a large amount of
technical information and knowing what it all means. Knowing what it
means is the hard part.

>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/association
>
>> ability to put a whole lot of information together and know what it
>> all means. You would demonstrate this ability to other phd's when you
>> defend your dissertation standing in front of them. No notes, every
>> thing comes straight out of your brain and then out of your mouth.
>>
>
>Looking just at germany, or simply the fact that the profs don't know of
>all studies that ever been published, a lot of german polticians have
>been found lately in plagiarising unknown studies from other scientists!

To suit whatever point they want to make. Politicians plagiarizing
other scientists. Are the politicians or scientists?

>> That does not mean that phd's are superheros, don't have human faults,
>> and don't make mistakes.
>>
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Noah Sombrero

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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:40 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 19:29 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
> Am 21.07.2021 um 19:17 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>
>> It is also true that you need the background and the evaluative tools
>> and the math skills you get at university to decide what to believe.
>
> So believe needs math?
>
>> You can't simply step up to scientific research without that and
>> expect to know what's what.
>>
>
> You are actually saying that i can't think properly because i didn't
> visit a university and with a non-univerity mind you can't think about
> univerity problems!
>

Would you be surprised if i tell you that i actually studied, though you
shouldn't be as i mentioned that in a rant somewhere! So i actually have
such a university mind as you want me to have to understand or think
about such things, but in my opinion you don't need to go to university
to be able to think about scientific problems, just look at some
inventors that never seen an university from inside.

My teachers oftentimes told me the most important thing you need to
learn in university is to find informations may it be in others studies
or your own!
Nowadays and especially bc of the lack of access to science facilities i
retreat on finding info!

--
https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:44 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:31:19 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 19:26 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>
>> No doubt there is some of that, same with tobacco companies. Wouldn't
>> it be great to have the tools necessary to truly sort all that out for
>> yourself?
>
>Yes there's AI which can do that for you!

Unfortunately, AI is a creation of humans, so subject to the same
tendency to be biased, to be wrong, to overlook something (in the case
of AI, that would mean, something was not considered because the
program code did not say "do that").

There is no substitute for you getting the tools you need and then
deciding for yourself if you are a prof. If not, your best bet is to
talk to an assortment of those who are. Still getting tools is better
than trying to read scientific litterature without them.
--
Noah Sombrero

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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:51 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 19:38 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>> So believe needs math?
>
> Believing needs nothing. Knowing what to believe requires math if you
> are reading scientific literature.
>
You should be cleare in your expressions! It's not believe that needs
math but knowledge, methinks there's a difference!

> You can be rational if you decide to do that. That does not mean you
> have the tools to evaluate scientific literature.
>

mind or something like common sense? you say i don't have that?

>
> Yes, right now, neither of us has the tools to know what that all
> means.
>

see above

>
> To suit whatever point they want to make. Politicians plagiarizing
> other scientists. Are the politicians or scientists?
>

That maybe new to an american but most politicians in germany have a
university education and somekind of normal degree some have even a
doctors degree!

--
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:40:53 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 19:29 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>> Am 21.07.2021 um 19:17 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>
>>> It is also true that you need the background and the evaluative tools
>>> and the math skills you get at university to decide what to believe.
>>
>> So believe needs math?
>>
>>> You can't simply step up to scientific research without that and
>>> expect to know what's what.
>>>
>>
>> You are actually saying that i can't think properly because i didn't
>> visit a university and with a non-univerity mind you can't think about
>> univerity problems!
>>
>
>Would you be surprised if i tell you that i actually studied, though you
>shouldn't be as i mentioned that in a rant somewhere!

Excellent. So what degree do you have? MA, MS, PHD? Probably they
call them something else in germany.

>So i actually have
>such a university mind as you want me to have to understand or think
>about such things, but in my opinion you don't need to go to university
>to be able to think about scientific problems

Think effectively. Understand scientific literature.

>just look at some
>inventors that never seen an university from inside.

True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.

>My teachers oftentimes told me the most important thing you need to
>learn in university is to find informations may it be in others studies
>or your own!

I heard that. An educated person is someone who, if they need to know
something, knows where to find it. That is the BA, BS level, does not
include the "knows what it all means" level.

>Nowadays and especially bc of the lack of access to science facilities i
>retreat on finding info!

--
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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:05 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:40:53 +0200, Venus as a Boy
> <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
>>
>> Would you be surprised if i tell you that i actually studied, though you
>> shouldn't be as i mentioned that in a rant somewhere!
>
> Excellent. So what degree do you have? MA, MS, PHD? Probably they
> call them something else in germany.

In that case i must disappoint you, i have not finnished my studies, the
reason for that is in the other rant/thread i think, but that is no
reason i can't think or let's say think the way you expect someone to
think, besides as a counter example just look at our german politicians
getting doctors degrees with stolen info!

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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:07 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:51:32 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 19:38 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>> So believe needs math?
>>
>> Believing needs nothing. Knowing what to believe requires math if you
>> are reading scientific literature.
>>
>You should be cleare in your expressions! It's not believe that needs
>math but knowledge, methinks there's a difference!

Most often, even in psychology, conclusions in scientific literature
are based on math. Perhaps nothing more than probability theory. They
ask "how likely, how reliable is this conclusion within certain
limits"? If you can't understand the math, you can't evaluate the
conclusion.

>> You can be rational if you decide to do that. That does not mean you
>> have the tools to evaluate scientific literature.
>>
>
>mind or something like common sense? you say i don't have that?

One thing I learned in university is how often common sense does not
apply to what turns out to be true. The universe is not obligated to
make sense to you, as somebody or other said. In fact, you can be
sure it won't if you look very far.

>>
>> Yes, right now, neither of us has the tools to know what that all
>> means.
>>
>
>see above
>
>>
>> To suit whatever point they want to make. Politicians plagiarizing
>> other scientists. Are the politicians or scientists?
>>
>
>That maybe new to an american but most politicians in germany have a
>university education and somekind of normal degree some have even a
>doctors degree!

Such people are usually not electable in the US, or even in canada.
Germany is fortunate. But if german politicians dig up questionable
research to support what they want you to believe, not so fortunate.
--
Noah Sombrero

Re: Coronavirus vaccine patent from 2007

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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:11 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:05:41 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:40:53 +0200, Venus as a Boy
>> <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Would you be surprised if i tell you that i actually studied, though you
>>> shouldn't be as i mentioned that in a rant somewhere!
>>
>> Excellent. So what degree do you have? MA, MS, PHD? Probably they
>> call them something else in germany.
>
>In that case i must disappoint you, i have not finnished my studies, the
>reason for that is in the other rant/thread i think

The cost.

>, but that is no
>reason i can't think or let's say think the way you expect someone to
>think, besides as a counter example just look at our german politicians
>getting doctors degrees with stolen info!

The fact that humans insist on being human is no excuse for you not
being the best you can be.

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Noah Sombrero

Re: Coronavirus vaccine patent from 2007

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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:18 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>
>>> Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
>>
>> Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
>> made an error.  Look again.  Nobody is so smart that they don't make
>> mistakes.
>
> There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
> beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
> lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
> brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
> be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
> transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
> found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
> even doubt that study!
Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance
theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science
(studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
near future!

--
https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:21 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 20:18 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>>
>>>> Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
>>>
>>> Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
>>> made an error.  Look again.  Nobody is so smart that they don't make
>>> mistakes.
>>
>> There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
>> beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
>> lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
>> brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
>> be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
>> transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
>> found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
>> even doubt that study!
> Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance
> theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
> by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science
> (studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
> near future!
>

But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,
where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"!

--
https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

Re: Coronavirus vaccine patent from 2007

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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:25 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:18:13 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>>
>>>> Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
>>>
>>> Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
>>> made an error.  Look again.  Nobody is so smart that they don't make
>>> mistakes.
>>
>> There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
>> beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
>> lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
>> brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
>> be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
>> transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
>> found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
>> even doubt that study!
>Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance
>theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
>by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science
>(studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
>near future!

So, then, the conscientious researcher might wonder if other
researchers have contributed confirmations or contrary indications?
Are there drugs based on this theory that appear to work as described
or not?
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Noah Sombrero

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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:28 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:21:54 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 20:18 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>>> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>>>
>>>>> Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
>>>>
>>>> Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
>>>> made an error.  Look again.  Nobody is so smart that they don't make
>>>> mistakes.
>>>
>>> There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
>>> beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
>>> lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
>>> brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
>>> be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
>>> transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
>>> found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
>>> even doubt that study!
>> Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance
>> theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
>> by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science
>> (studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
>> near future!
>>
>
>But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
>that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,

Drugs that work would be more important than counter arguments.

>where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"!

But this one is not supported by other research. You know what to
think of that.
--
Noah Sombrero

Re: Coronavirus vaccine patent from 2007

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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:29 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 20:21 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
> Am 21.07.2021 um 20:18 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>>> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>>>
>>>>> Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
>>>>
>>>> Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
>>>> made an error.  Look again.  Nobody is so smart that they don't make
>>>> mistakes.
>>>
>>> There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
>>> beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
>>> lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and
>>> the brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could
>>> just be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
>>> transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
>>> found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
>>> even doubt that study!
>> Just to make it clear regarding "science", the
>> neurotransmitterimbalance theory, basis of many drug related therapy,
>> has been completetly made up by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her
>> book saying, that the science (studies) for the imbalance theory for
>> sure will be delivered in the near future!
>>
>
> But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
> that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,
> where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"!
>

Ah ya, the sciences, sigh, there been a technique to "cure" sz which was
rewarded with the nobel price which some might heard of: Lobotomy!

--
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Re: Coronavirus vaccine patent from 2007

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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:31 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:29:50 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 20:21 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>> Am 21.07.2021 um 20:18 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>>> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>>>> Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
>>>>> made an error.  Look again.  Nobody is so smart that they don't make
>>>>> mistakes.
>>>>
>>>> There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
>>>> beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
>>>> lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and
>>>> the brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could
>>>> just be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
>>>> transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
>>>> found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
>>>> even doubt that study!
>>> Just to make it clear regarding "science", the
>>> neurotransmitterimbalance theory, basis of many drug related therapy,
>>> has been completetly made up by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her
>>> book saying, that the science (studies) for the imbalance theory for
>>> sure will be delivered in the near future!
>>>
>>
>> But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
>> that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,
>> where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"!
>>
>
>Ah ya, the sciences, sigh, there been a technique to "cure" sz which was
>rewarded with the nobel price which some might heard of: Lobotomy!

That had to be a long time ago.
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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:34 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 20:28 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>
>>
>> But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
>> that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,
>
> Drugs that work would be more important than counter arguments.

As i said they seem to work, but the momentary drugs merely work after
some weeks of exposure and the psychiatrists say that they must build up
certain level of the agent to properly work, but the counterargument is,
they actually enter the neuronal gaps immediately after the intake!

>
>> where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"!
>
> But this one is not supported by other research. You know what to
> think of that.

Doesn't matter if it is supported or not they made "results" supported
by the patients testimony!

> --
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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:35 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 20:25 schrieb Noah Sombrero:

>> Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance
>> theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
>> by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science
>> (studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
>> near future!
>
> So, then, the conscientious researcher might wonder if other
> researchers have contributed confirmations or contrary indications?
> Are there drugs based on this theory that appear to work as described
> or not?

NO!

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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:56 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>
> True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
> But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
> to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
> are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
> bridges you might build.
>

Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
mad very highteccy innovations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac

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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:00 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 20:56 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
> Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>
>> True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
>> But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
>> to build a bridge you need civil engineering.  That is, if your cars
>> are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
>> bridges you might build.
>>
>
> Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
> mad very highteccy innovations:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
>

The english wikipedia article is missing his prior university inventions
of Iglove and the carbackmirror without a blind spot!

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 by: Venus as a Boy - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:03 UTC

Am 21.07.2021 um 21:00 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
> Am 21.07.2021 um 20:56 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
>> Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>
>>> True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
>>> But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
>>> to build a bridge you need civil engineering.  That is, if your cars
>>> are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
>>> bridges you might build.
>>>
>>
>> Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
>> mad very highteccy innovations:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
>>
>
> The english wikipedia article is missing his prior university inventions
> of Iglove and the carbackmirror without a blind spot!
>

The english article even misses the paragraph which says that he had
such bad grades in highschool that he didn't want to participate in the
innovator chalange!

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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:03 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:56:23 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>
>> True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
>> But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
>> to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
>> are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
>> bridges you might build.
>>
>
>Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
>mad very highteccy innovations:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac

That does not mean that he did not understand the importance of
university.
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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:05 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:34:31 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

>Am 21.07.2021 um 20:28 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>>>>
>>>
>>> But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
>>> that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,
>>
>> Drugs that work would be more important than counter arguments.
>
>As i said they seem to work, but the momentary drugs merely work after
>some weeks of exposure and the psychiatrists say that they must build up
>certain level of the agent to properly work, but the counterargument is,
>they actually enter the neuronal gaps immediately after the intake!

Let them sort that out. It might take a while. The important thing
right now is whether they help.

>>
>>> where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"!
>>
>> But this one is not supported by other research. You know what to
>> think of that.
>
>Doesn't matter if it is supported or not they made "results" supported
>by the patients testimony!

It depends on where you find that testimony.

>> --
>> Noah Sombrero
>>
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 by: Noah Sombrero - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:06 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:35:41 +0200, Venus as a Boy
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>Am 21.07.2021 um 20:25 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
>
>>> Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance
>>> theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
>>> by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science
>>> (studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
>>> near future!
>>
>> So, then, the conscientious researcher might wonder if other
>> researchers have contributed confirmations or contrary indications?
>> Are there drugs based on this theory that appear to work as described
>> or not?
>
>NO!

Into the trash heap.

>> --
>> Noah Sombrero
>>
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