On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 16:26:28 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:24?PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> Mike Duffy wrote:
>> > On 2023-11-16, songbird wrote:
>> >
>> >> reef aquarium fish. while tap water may have chlorine in
>> >> it which may air out in time tap water may also have
>> >> copper in it which is toxic to many reef aquarium creatures
>> >
>> > Is copper due to house pipes, or is it environmental?
>> >
>> > I guess you use RO or just buy distilled water.
>> >
>> Keeping a good aquarium is a hell of a job, either fresh or
>> saltwater. I've only dabbled in both, but learned a little.
>>
>> I'll never do it again. It requires absolute dedication to
>> water chemistry as well as complete knowledge of the species in
>> your tanks. Things change daily, so you can't leave for a
>> couple days. Still, you'll encounter situations that stump you.
>>
>> For one person, it can become a full time job.
>
>
>Would getting an aquarium be a good "job" for Kuthe...???

Nope, it would be a death sentence for the poor fish!

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:43:22 PM UTC-6, lucr...@florence.it wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 16:26:28 -0800 (PST), GM
> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:24?PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >> Mike Duffy wrote:
> >> > On 2023-11-16, songbird wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> reef aquarium fish. while tap water may have chlorine in
> >> >> it which may air out in time tap water may also have
> >> >> copper in it which is toxic to many reef aquarium creatures
> >> >
> >> > Is copper due to house pipes, or is it environmental?
> >> >
> >> > I guess you use RO or just buy distilled water.
> >> >
> >> Keeping a good aquarium is a hell of a job, either fresh or
> >> saltwater. I've only dabbled in both, but learned a little.
> >>
> >> I'll never do it again. It requires absolute dedication to
> >> water chemistry as well as complete knowledge of the species in
> >> your tanks. Things change daily, so you can't leave for a
> >> couple days. Still, you'll encounter situations that stump you.
> >>
> >> For one person, it can become a full time job.
> >
> >
> >Would getting an aquarium be a good "job" for Kuthe...???
> Nope, it would be a death sentence for the poor fish!

Correct, my Dear...!!!

:-)

--
GM

GM wrote:
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:24 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-16, songbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> reef aquarium fish. while tap water may have chlorine in
>>>> it which may air out in time tap water may also have
>>>> copper in it which is toxic to many reef aquarium creatures
>>>
>>> Is copper due to house pipes, or is it environmental?
>>>
>>> I guess you use RO or just buy distilled water.
>>>
>> Keeping a good aquarium is a hell of a job, either fresh or
>> saltwater. I've only dabbled in both, but learned a little.
>>
>> I'll never do it again. It requires absolute dedication to
>> water chemistry as well as complete knowledge of the species in
>> your tanks. Things change daily, so you can't leave for a
>> couple days. Still, you'll encounter situations that stump you.
>>
>> For one person, it can become a full time job.
>
>
> Would getting an aquarium be a good "job" for Kuthe...???
>

I suppose he could do it. A lot of queers have aquariums.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
> GM wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:24 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >> Mike Duffy wrote:
> >>> On 2023-11-16, songbird wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> reef aquarium fish. while tap water may have chlorine in
> >>>> it which may air out in time tap water may also have
> >>>> copper in it which is toxic to many reef aquarium creatures
> >>>
> >>> Is copper due to house pipes, or is it environmental?
> >>>
> >>> I guess you use RO or just buy distilled water.
> >>>
> >> Keeping a good aquarium is a hell of a job, either fresh or
> >> saltwater. I've only dabbled in both, but learned a little.
> >>
> >> I'll never do it again. It requires absolute dedication to
> >> water chemistry as well as complete knowledge of the species in
> >> your tanks. Things change daily, so you can't leave for a
> >> couple days. Still, you'll encounter situations that stump you.
> >>
> >> For one person, it can become a full time job.
> >
> >
> > Would getting an aquarium be a good "job" for Kuthe...???
> >
> I suppose he could do it. A lot of queers have aquariums.
>
I applaud your humility. *I just wasn't queer enough to
succeed in having an aquarium*.

--Bryan

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 7:43:36 PM UTC-6, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
> > GM wrote:
> > > On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:24 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
> > >> Mike Duffy wrote:
> > >>> On 2023-11-16, songbird wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> reef aquarium fish. while tap water may have chlorine in
> > >>>> it which may air out in time tap water may also have
> > >>>> copper in it which is toxic to many reef aquarium creatures
> > >>>
> > >>> Is copper due to house pipes, or is it environmental?
> > >>>
> > >>> I guess you use RO or just buy distilled water.
> > >>>
> > >> Keeping a good aquarium is a hell of a job, either fresh or
> > >> saltwater. I've only dabbled in both, but learned a little.
> > >>
> > >> I'll never do it again. It requires absolute dedication to
> > >> water chemistry as well as complete knowledge of the species in
> > >> your tanks. Things change daily, so you can't leave for a
> > >> couple days. Still, you'll encounter situations that stump you.
> > >>
> > >> For one person, it can become a full time job.
> > >
> > >
> > > Would getting an aquarium be a good "job" for Kuthe...???
> > >
> > I suppose he could do it. A lot of queers have aquariums.
> >
> I applaud your humility. *I just wasn't queer enough to
> succeed in having an aquarium*.
>
> --Bryan

John's taste is too shitty for him to be a fag - even a "hippie" - type of fag...

OTOH he *could* have an aquarium that is a miniature "representation" of his mum's suicide - by - drowning...

--
GM

On 11/15/2023 11:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:18:35 -0500, Michael Trew
> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>
>> People say that our tap water smells like chlorine, but I don't notice
>> the smell or taste. Maybe I'm just used to it.
>
> Somebody here (Gary?) said that if you let chlorinated water stand
> overnight, the chlorine smell and flavour disappear.

That is true. We did that when we had to fill the fish tank. Let it
sit in jugs at least over night, but preferably 24 hours. I try to do
the same when I water my house plants, but I'm not sure if it really
matters.

On 11/16/2023 4:43 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-11-16, Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> People say that our tap water smells like chlorine, but I don't notice
>> the smell or taste. Maybe I'm just used to it.
>
> I've had municipal water all my life. Chlorine is what water is
> supposed to smell like.
>
> My husband claims that when he first moved to Cincinnati, you could
> smell carbon tetrachloride in the water. That would have been in
> 1970.

Either way, that's one heck of a lot better than the cistern water I
grew up with at Dad's house. We sure didn't drink it, but I cringe when
I think that they did cook with it. It ran through some kind of
rudimentary filter system which had to be back-washed monthly.

I once saw a house for sale, out in the country, with not only a fresh
spring providing water, but it even had a private natural gas well that
someone paid to tap into years ago. One could set up a NG generator and
live completely off the grid. They had an electric pump set up, but the
kitchen porch still had a manual pump for water if someone so desired.
I would have loved to own that house.

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 08:03:29 -0800 (PST)
bruce bowser <bruce1.9bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Cuyahoga River in Ohio once caught fire.

Hey Ho, where did you go OHIO!

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:54:09 AM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> Some people drink only bottled water because is is more pure. Well,
> they think it, but not true.
>
> See what researchers found when they tested a bottle of Fiji Water
> against a glass of tap water.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/4sssmrn2

I drink only STL tap water, and STL has some of the best tap water ever! Knows why? 1904 Worlds Fair!

John Kuthe, Retired

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:54:09 AM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
>> Some people drink only bottled water because is is more pure. Well,
>> they think it, but not true.
>>
>> See what researchers found when they tested a bottle of Fiji Water
>> against a glass of tap water.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/4sssmrn2
>
> I drink only STL tap water, and STL has some of the best tap water ever! Knows why? 1904 Worlds Fair!
>
> John Kuthe, Retired
>

But, it also made you impotent. And maybe you wouldn't be
fucked in the head if you had drank bottle water.

cshenk wrote:

> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> > On 2023-11-14, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I guess that Cleveland showed them. Me, I don't buy into
> > > bottled water hype. I might buy a bottle if I'm out and about
> > > feeling thirsty, but I always drink the tap at home. Run the
> > > water for a couple of minutes in the morning, because of the 120
> > > some year old lead water service line.
> >
> >
> > When I was a kid, my parents bought those huge glass jugs of water
> > that you see in office cafeterias. They probably went through a
> > bottle a month. Our town water was terrible, but I never bought into
> > the jug water paradigm.
> > I have never bought bottled water in my life and probably have had
> > less than six handed to me. One was during a recent treadmill test,
> > and I mentioned my apathy to the doctor while drinking the water.
> > I do pick up many, many empty water bottles off my lawn each year.
> > If you think you're climate aware, but drink water bottled in
> > plastic, you aren't.
>
> As a general rule we don't but we always have 1-2 for people working
> on the house in hot weather. If they use one, we wash it all out
> with hot soapy water then it gets filled with tap water and adds to
> our storm supplies.
>
> We empty and reload the storage bottles once a year. They are kept in
> this nifty wine bottle heavy duty cardboard box with a lid. It has
> sturdy separators and holds 24 bottles.

Oh, that's generally we don't since Japan days. There, we only did it
while shopping.

John Kuthe wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:54:09 AM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> > Some people drink only bottled water because is is more pure. Well,
> > they think it, but not true.
> >
> > See what researchers found when they tested a bottle of Fiji Water
> > against a glass of tap water.
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/4sssmrn2
>
> I drink only STL tap water, and STL has some of the best tap water
> ever! Knows why? 1904 Worlds Fair!
>
> John Kuthe, Retired

Tap water works fine here too!

Mike Duffy wrote:
> On 2023-11-16, songbird wrote:
>
>> reef aquarium fish. while tap water may have chlorine in
>> it which may air out in time tap water may also have
>> copper in it which is toxic to many reef aquarium creatures
>
> Is copper due to house pipes, or is it environmental?

it can be both along with possible other contaminants
a serious hobbyist will be filtering their water anyways.
you don't want to kill off valueable corals or other
creatures.

> I guess you use RO or just buy distilled water.

yes, RO, distilled for a big setup is too expensive.
you lose water each day due to evaporation and also
some filtration removes water.

songbird

On 11/17/2023 9:59 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 11/15/2023 11:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:18:35 -0500, Michael Trew
>> <michael.trew@att.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> People say that our tap water smells like chlorine, but I don't notice
>>> the smell or taste.  Maybe I'm just used to it.
>>
>> Somebody here (Gary?) said that if you let chlorinated water stand
>> overnight, the chlorine smell and flavour disappear.
>rid
> That is true.  We did that when we had to fill the fish tank.  Let it
> sit in jugs at least over night, but preferably 24 hours.  I try to do
> the same when I water my house plants, but I'm not sure if it really
> matters.

All true. Chlorine will evaporate from treated water overnight in a
container with no lid. Quicker way is to boil the water (uncovered pot).

This is better for houseplants too but city water still has other
additions, fluoride for example. Rain water is best for plants. Rain
water is probably best for humans too if not left to stagnate in a cistern.

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:32:23 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> On 11/17/2023 9:59 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> > On 11/15/2023 11:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:18:35 -0500, Michael Trew
> >> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> People say that our tap water smells like chlorine, but I don't notice
> >>> the smell or taste. Maybe I'm just used to it.
> >>
> >> Somebody here (Gary?) said that if you let chlorinated water stand
> >> overnight, the chlorine smell and flavour disappear.
> >rid
> > That is true. We did that when we had to fill the fish tank. Let it
> > sit in jugs at least over night, but preferably 24 hours. I try to do
> > the same when I water my house plants, but I'm not sure if it really
> > matters.
> All true. Chlorine will evaporate from treated water overnight in a
> container with no lid. Quicker way is to boil the water (uncovered pot).
>
> This is better for houseplants too but city water still has other
> additions, fluoride for example. Rain water is best for plants. Rain
> water is probably best for humans too if not left to stagnate in a cistern.
>
It's silly that they still put fluoride in water, as almost
everyone uses fluoride toothpaste these days. They
quit making my favorite. FUCK YOU, TOM!
https://us.amazon.com/Toms-Maine-Anticavity-Toothpaste-Fruitilicious/dp/B082VJJ4XN
I have a few tubes left, then I have to find another
flavor I like.

--Bryan

On 2023-11-18, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:
> On 11/17/2023 9:59 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 11/15/2023 11:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:18:35 -0500, Michael Trew
>>> <michael.trew@att.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> People say that our tap water smells like chlorine, but I don't notice
>>>> the smell or taste.  Maybe I'm just used to it.
>>>
>>> Somebody here (Gary?) said that if you let chlorinated water stand
>>> overnight, the chlorine smell and flavour disappear.
>>rid
>> That is true.  We did that when we had to fill the fish tank.  Let it
>> sit in jugs at least over night, but preferably 24 hours.  I try to do
>> the same when I water my house plants, but I'm not sure if it really
>> matters.
>
> All true. Chlorine will evaporate from treated water overnight in a
> container with no lid. Quicker way is to boil the water (uncovered pot).

That will also drive out the oxygen, which isn't so good for fish.

> This is better for houseplants too but city water still has other
> additions, fluoride for example. Rain water is best for plants. Rain
> water is probably best for humans too if not left to stagnate in a cistern.

Don't tell me you're afraid of the Fiendish Fluoridators?

There's so much crap in rainwater, I'd rather drink Detroit River
water. Oh, wait. I do.

https://www.livescience.com/is-drinking-rainwater-safe

--
Cindy Hamilton

Gary wrote:
....
> This is better for houseplants too but city water still has other
> additions, fluoride for example. Rain water is best for plants. Rain
> water is probably best for humans too if not left to stagnate in a cistern.

if the cistern is covered and not contaminated to begin
with the water will be fine.

oxygenated water is usually considered to taste better
but we drink water that comes right out of the ground and
that doesn't get oxygenated or moved much at all until we
pull it out and use it. it has some small to it, i'm used
to that and it doesn't bother me.

songbird

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 07:32:17 -0500, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:

>On 11/17/2023 9:59 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 11/15/2023 11:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:18:35 -0500, Michael Trew
>>> <michael.trew@att.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> People say that our tap water smells like chlorine, but I don't notice
>>>> the smell or taste.  Maybe I'm just used to it.
>>>
>>> Somebody here (Gary?) said that if you let chlorinated water stand
>>> overnight, the chlorine smell and flavour disappear.
>>rid
>> That is true.  We did that when we had to fill the fish tank.  Let it
>> sit in jugs at least over night, but preferably 24 hours.  I try to do
>> the same when I water my house plants, but I'm not sure if it really
>> matters.
>
>All true. Chlorine will evaporate from treated water overnight in a
>container with no lid. Quicker way is to boil the water (uncovered pot).
>
>This is better for houseplants too but city water still has other
>additions, fluoride for example. Rain water is best for plants. Rain
>water is probably best for humans too if not left to stagnate in a cistern.
>
We've been on rain water for the past 17 years. It beats city water
hands down.

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 10:04:36 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>...
>> This is better for houseplants too but city water still has other
>> additions, fluoride for example. Rain water is best for plants. Rain
>> water is probably best for humans too if not left to stagnate in a cistern.
>
> if the cistern is covered and not contaminated to begin
>with the water will be fine.

Otherwise I'd have been sick a long time ago. And the entire
Australian countryside as well.

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 8:25:30 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 10:04:36 -0500, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
> wrote:
> >Gary wrote:
> >...
> >> This is better for houseplants too but city water still has other
> >> additions, fluoride for example. Rain water is best for plants. Rain
> >> water is probably best for humans too if not left to stagnate in a cistern.
> >
> > if the cistern is covered and not contaminated to begin
> >with the water will be fine.
> Otherwise I'd have been sick a long time ago. And the entire
> Australian countryside as well.

The Aussies drink water straight from the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk3s-vom2bY&t=90s

Bruce wrote:
> songbird wrote:
....
>> if the cistern is covered and not contaminated to begin
>>with the water will be fine.
>
> Otherwise I'd have been sick a long time ago. And the entire
> Australian countryside as well.

*nods*

songbird

On 11/18/2023 7:53 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:32:23 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>> On 11/17/2023 9:59 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2023 11:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:18:35 -0500, Michael Trew
>>>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is true. We did that when we had to fill the fish tank. Let it
>>> sit in jugs at least over night, but preferably 24 hours. I try to do
>>> the same when I water my house plants, but I'm not sure if it really
>>> matters.
>> All true. Chlorine will evaporate from treated water overnight in a
>> container with no lid. Quicker way is to boil the water (uncovered pot).
>>
>> This is better for houseplants too but city water still has other
>> additions, fluoride for example. Rain water is best for plants. Rain
>> water is probably best for humans too if not left to stagnate in a cistern.
>>
> It's silly that they still put fluoride in water, as almost
> everyone uses fluoride toothpaste these days. They
> quit making my favorite.

I used to buy that Tom's, but the last few years, I've bought Pepsodent.
It's a $1 brand now, but recently, the grocer is selling them for
$1.50/ea. It's still a good deal, and it has the same sassafras flavor.

On 2023-11-18, Bruce wrote:

> Otherwise I'd have been sick a long time ago.
> And the entire Australian countryside as well.

Sure. With toxoplasmosis, nobody would notice being
different from everyone else once everyone is infected.

You do have cat(s)? Enough said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/one-third-people
-infected-toxoplasma-parasite-clue-in-eyes/101058106

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:54:57 GMT, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

>On 2023-11-18, Bruce wrote:
>
>> Otherwise I'd have been sick a long time ago.
>> And the entire Australian countryside as well.
>
>Sure. With toxoplasmosis, nobody would notice being
>different from everyone else once everyone is infected.
>
>You do have cat(s)? Enough said.

>https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/one-third-people
>-infected-toxoplasma-parasite-clue-in-eyes/101058106

1.
"drinking untreated water (such as straight from rivers or creeks)
should be avoided"
We don't drink water from rivers or creeks.

2.
"Cats catch the parasite when they eat infected prey."
Our cats don't come outside.

3.
"Humans can become infected by eating this meat"
"Most importantly, many Australians like to eat their red meat rare,
putting them at real risk."

You're more at risk than me, meat eater. Enough said.