In article <65ee22ea$0$2137431
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, g.stereo@shaw.ca says...
>
> On 2024-03-08 2:28 p.m., Janet wrote:
> > In article <S4LGN.407639$Ama9.154393@fx12.iad>,
>
> >
> > When I was in primary school, the inside back cover of
> > every excercise book was printed with the imperial
> > measures, like this
> >
> > https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/299982025154725677/
> >
> > we learned the ones for weight, length, area by heart and
> > could chant them by rote, just like multiplication tables.
> > Mental arithmetic featured questions like
> >
> > "Bob walked five furlongs to town, how many yards did he
> > travel?His speed was 3 miles per hour, how long did it
> > take? At the shop he bought six ounces of sugar. Sugar
> > costs 1s/10d per pound, how much change did he get from
> > half a crown."
> >
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> And we were still taught words like "byre".

I should hope they still are. Where else would they
keep the kye?

Janet UK

In article <65ee2d3d$0$4623$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
hamilton@invalid.com says...
>
> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > On 2024-03-08 2:28 p.m., Janet wrote:
> >> In article <S4LGN.407639$Ama9.154393@fx12.iad>,
> >
> >>
> >> When I was in primary school, the inside back cover of
> >> every excercise book was printed with the imperial
> >> measures, like this
> >>
> >> https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/299982025154725677/
> >>
> >> we learned the ones for weight, length, area by heart and
> >> could chant them by rote, just like multiplication tables.
> >> Mental arithmetic featured questions like
> >>
> >> "Bob walked five furlongs to town, how many yards did he
> >> travel?His speed was 3 miles per hour, how long did it
> >> take? At the shop he bought six ounces of sugar. Sugar
> >> costs 1s/10d per pound, how much change did he get from
> >> half a crown."
> >>
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >>
> > And we were still taught words like "byre".
>
> I've never had a use for "byre".

Somebody offered me a manger only last week.

Janet UK

Graham wrote:

> On 2024-03-08 2:28 p.m., Janet wrote:
> > In article <S4LGN.407639$Ama9.154393@fx12.iad>,
>
> >
> > When I was in primary school, the inside back cover of
> > every excercise book was printed with the imperial
> > measures, like this
> >
> > https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/299982025154725677/
> >
> > we learned the ones for weight, length, area by heart and
> > could chant them by rote, just like multiplication tables.
> > Mental arithmetic featured questions like
> >
> > "Bob walked five furlongs to town, how many yards did he
> > travel?His speed was 3 miles per hour, how long did it
> > take? At the shop he bought six ounces of sugar. Sugar
> > costs 1s/10d per pound, how much change did he get from
> > half a crown."
> >
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> And we were still taught words like "byre".

Sho nuff! That's how ya gets a lady to be 'merrian ya!', Yaz jus'
gotta byre a ring!

In article <65ee824a$0$2137416
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, g.stereo@shaw.ca says...
>
> On 2024-03-10 4:49 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 10/03/2024 21:15, Graham wrote:
> >> On 2024-03-08 2:28 p.m., Janet wrote:
> >>> In article <S4LGN.407639$Ama9.154393@fx12.iad>,
> >>
> >>>
> >>>     When I was in primary school, the inside back cover of
> >>> every  excercise book was printed with the imperial
> >>> measures, like this
> >>>
> >>>    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/299982025154725677/
> >>>
> >>> we learned the ones for weight, length, area by heart  and
> >>> could chant them by rote, just like multiplication tables.
> >>> Mental arithmetic featured questions like
> >>>
> >>> "Bob walked five furlongs to  town, how many yards did he
> >>> travel?His speed was 3 miles per hour, how long did it
> >>> take? At the shop he bought six ounces of sugar. Sugar
> >>> costs 1s/10d per pound, how much change did he get from
> >>> half a crown."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    Janet UK
> >> And we were still taught words like "byre".
> >>
> > I would expect so!
> > That word is still in common use.
> Where?

Anywhere in Scotland Ireland, Wales, the north of
England. Even Suffolk.

https://www.visiteastofengland.com/accommodation/the-
suffolk-byre

The passive vocabulary of any educated reader of British
history and literature would recognise and understand it.

Janet UK

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > > And we were still taught words like "byre".
> > >
> > > I've never had a use for "byre".
> > >
> > Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
> > The byre is whaur the kine bide.
> >
>
>
> Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
> understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
> actually able to translate that into something I understood.

It's easy actually. Then again, us mountain folks retained a lot of it
in common use. Seriously, we did. It's why out of 86 women in my Navy
boot camp, my moniker was 'the mouth from the south'.

In article <65ee2889$0$2137416
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, g.stereo@shaw.ca says...
>
> On 2024-03-08 4:29 a.m., Janet wrote:
> > In article <65ea8bde$2$3158698
> > $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, g.stereo@shaw.ca says...
> >>
> >> I made a batch of lemon and lavender marmalade today, following
> >> a recipe to the letter. It specified 50grams of lavender flowers
> >> but that was waaaaay too much.
> >
> > !!!!I reckon that was a typo for 5gm (about a
> > teaspoonful).
> >
> >
> > Between 5 and 10 would have been
> >> sufficient. The flavour is OK, if a bit strong from the lavender
> >> but the main problem is all the lavender buds than one constantly
> >> bites on.
> >> So it looks like I'll have to discard all 3.75 litres and start again.
> >
> > I might tie most of the lavender in muslin,( like I do
> > for the pips of Seville oranges), then discard later. Just
> > have a few buds visible in the jars. I buy muslin squares
> > from Lakeland.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> >
> That's a good idea! I had the pips in a muslin bag during the cooking.
> BTW I use temperature to determine the setting point. Where you live,
> close to sea level, the setting temperature for jams is about 105/106C.

I wouldn't know, I've not got/never needed a sugar
thermometer.

> Here, water boils at 96C so jam setting point is about 101/102C.
> I've never had much luck with the wrinkle test on a cold plate.

That's the only method I ever use and it never fails. I
put a little stack of china plates/saucers in the freezer
for testing the wrinkle.

Janet UK

In article <65ee28cf$4$2137424
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, g.stereo@shaw.ca says...
>
> On 2024-03-08 6:47 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2024-03-07 10:54 p.m., Graham wrote:
> >> I made a batch of lemon and lavender marmalade today, following
> >> a recipe to the letter. It specified 50grams of lavender flowers
> >> but that was waaaaay too much. Between 5 and 10 would have been
> >> sufficient. The flavour is OK, if a bit strong from the lavender
> >> but the main problem is all the lavender buds than one constantly
> >> bites on.
> >> So it looks like I'll have to discard all 3.75 litres and start again.
> >
> >
> > Ouch. That is a shame. That can be a problem with had aromatics to
> > things. Sometimes the taste is too much. I have that problem when I use
> > rosemary. I like a little but but it doesn't take much to overwhelm it.
> > Then there is thyme, which I have come to accept that I just don't care
> > for at all.
> >
> After multiple tastings, The flavour is just too strong - and I like
> lavender!

Bottle it and give away as bath fragrance/skin softener.

Janet UK

S Viemeister wrote:

> On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> > > On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > And we were still taught words like "byre".
> > > >
> > > > I've never had a use for "byre".
> > > >
> > > Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
> > > The byre is whaur the kine bide.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
> > understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I
> > was actually able to translate that into something I understood.
>
> Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.

I was thinking same. A lot of Scots mixed with 1600's English settled
around the area. Some of it stuck.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2024-03-10 7:39 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> > > > On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > And we were still taught words like "byre".
> > > > >
> > > > > I've never had a use for "byre".
> > > > >
> > > > Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
> > > > The byre is whaur the kine bide.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
> > > understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I
> > > was actually able to translate that into something I understood.
> >
> > Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.
>
>
> Okay.... basically gibberish either way.

Snicker, neato! Now Sheila and I can hold a private conversation with
you none the wiser!

On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 15:13:16 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-10 7:39 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> > On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
>> > > understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I
>> > > was actually able to translate that into something I understood.
>> >
>> > Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.
>>
>>
>> Okay.... basically gibberish either way.
>
>Snicker, neato! Now Sheila and I can hold a private conversation with
>you none the wiser!

Somehow I doubt it (your part).

On 2024-03-11 9:01 a.m., Janet wrote:
> In article <65ee2889$0$2137416
> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, g.stereo@shaw.ca says...
>>
>> On 2024-03-08 4:29 a.m., Janet wrote:
>>> In article <65ea8bde$2$3158698
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, g.stereo@shaw.ca says...
>>>>
>>>> I made a batch of lemon and lavender marmalade today, following
>>>> a recipe to the letter. It specified 50grams of lavender flowers
>>>> but that was waaaaay too much.
>>>
>>> !!!!I reckon that was a typo for 5gm (about a
>>> teaspoonful).
>>>
>>>
>>> Between 5 and 10 would have been
>>>> sufficient. The flavour is OK, if a bit strong from the lavender
>>>> but the main problem is all the lavender buds than one constantly
>>>> bites on.
>>>> So it looks like I'll have to discard all 3.75 litres and start again.
>>>
>>> I might tie most of the lavender in muslin,( like I do
>>> for the pips of Seville oranges), then discard later. Just
>>> have a few buds visible in the jars. I buy muslin squares
>>> from Lakeland.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>>
>> That's a good idea! I had the pips in a muslin bag during the cooking.
>> BTW I use temperature to determine the setting point. Where you live,
>> close to sea level, the setting temperature for jams is about 105/106C.
>
> I wouldn't know, I've not got/never needed a sugar
> thermometer.
>
>> Here, water boils at 96C so jam setting point is about 101/102C.
>> I've never had much luck with the wrinkle test on a cold plate.
>
> That's the only method I ever use and it never fails. I
> put a little stack of china plates/saucers in the freezer
> for testing the wrinkle.
>
> Janet UK
I've had mixed results making macarons with Italian meringue. I now
realise that I have been using sea level temperature recipes for the
soft-ball stage syrup and it is closer to hard ball at this altitude.

On 3/10/2024 5:41 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2024-03-08 10:13 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-03-08 11:30 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>
>>> No, when I hear the so-called saintly sorts a la Jimmy Bakker, I know
>>> if there really is anything after death, I would hate to join them. Be
>>> far more fun in hell.
>>
>>
>> One day I was channel surfing and stopped at a religious program when
>> I spotted that slimey creep. He had recently been released from jail
>> and he introduced some young black guy he met in the bowels of the
>> prison. The guy had had a troubled life and had endured privation as a
>> child and ended up in a life of crime. He ministered to the guy and
>> helped him find Jesus and salvation. Then he explained how he had come
>> to understand why God had put him through that ordeal. God had been
>> instrumental in getting Jimmy into the depths of that prison to find
>> this guy and help him find Jesus.  I almost puked at that.
>>
> One look at the heavily painted Tammy Faye was enough to make anyone puke.

Coincidentally, one of the cable channels aired a movie called "The Eyes
of Tammy Faye" last Saturday. If there was any truth to it, Tammy Faye
had her eyes permanently lined (tattooed) so her eyeliner wouldn't run
when she cried on camera. The eyelashes, of course, were fake.

Jill

On 3/10/2024 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-03-10 5:41 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2024-03-08 10:13 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> . He ministered to the guy and
>>> helped him find Jesus and salvation. Then he explained how he had
>>> come to understand why God had put him through that ordeal. God had
>>> been instrumental in getting Jimmy into the depths of that prison to
>>> find this guy and help him find Jesus.  I almost puked at that.
>>>
>> One look at the heavily painted Tammy Faye was enough to make anyone
>> puke.
>
>
> I recently watched The Eyes of Tammy Faye. It's worth watching.
>
Damn, Dave. I wish I'd read your post first; I just posted about that
same movie! I saw it last Saturday on FXM or some such cable movie channel.

Jill

On 2024-03-11 5:02 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/10/2024 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-03-10 5:41 p.m., Graham wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-08 10:13 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> . He ministered to the guy and
>>>> helped him find Jesus and salvation. Then he explained how he had
>>>> come to understand why God had put him through that ordeal. God had
>>>> been instrumental in getting Jimmy into the depths of that prison to
>>>> find this guy and help him find Jesus.  I almost puked at that.
>>>>
>>> One look at the heavily painted Tammy Faye was enough to make anyone
>>> puke.
>>
>>
>> I recently watched The Eyes of Tammy Faye. It's worth watching.
>>
> Damn, Dave.  I wish I'd read your post first; I just posted about that
> same movie!  I saw it last Saturday on FXM or some such cable movie
> channel.
>

I don't know about you, but I thought it was a surprisingly good movie.

On 2024-03-11, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

> I studied German in high school. I wish I'd taken Spanish.

I took Spanish in high school, and because of my major, had to take
German in college. I know little of either language anymore but way more
Spanish than German.
I hated German sentence structure! The action all took place at the end
of the sentence IIRC. We, to the mountains, on a winding road, went.
Correct me, Bruce.

On 2024-03-11 2:31 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> Since I went to public school, there was no academic requirement to
> take any language. But it was mostly the college-bound who bothered
> to take it; hence, filtering on grades was kind of baked in.
>
I had to have a grade 12 equivalent in a modern language, in my case
French, in order to go to uni.
That requirement was dropped a year or so later.

On 2024-03-11 5:45 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-03-11, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> I studied German in high school. I wish I'd taken Spanish.
>
>
> I took Spanish in high school, and because of my major, had to take
> German in college. I know little of either language anymore but way more
> Spanish than German.
> I hated German sentence structure! The action all took place at the end
> of the sentence IIRC. We, to the mountains, on a winding road, went.
> Correct me, Bruce.

I started French in Gr 7, which was a couple years earlier than it
started in most schools up here, and I took it all the way through high
school. My started taking German in Gr. 10. My best friend was German
and his family were polite enough to speak English when I was there but
they spoke enough German around me that I absorbed a lot of it before I
actually studied it. While I have have much larger vocabulary in French
I usually need a few days before I start hearing it clearly. My
vocabulary in German is lot more limited I at least hear the words clearly.

My son started learning French in Gr. 5 and when he was in Gr. 7 we sent
him on an exchange to Quebec. He spent two weeks up there and we had a
French kid here for two weeks. In high school he did well in French and
went on a school trip to Paris. He ended up attending university in
Montreal and worked his way through school working in French. He
eventually got a bilingual position with the federal government. It's a
good deal for him because he gets a bonus for being bilingual. He has
worked at learning Spanish. Over the last 10 years he has been to Cuba,
Columbia, Pere and Bolovia and has picked up a lot of Spanish. I have
been with him in Mexican and Peruvian restaurants where he had
conversations with the staff and was obviously quite fluent.

On 11 Mar 2024 21:45:34 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-03-11, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> I studied German in high school. I wish I'd taken Spanish.
>
>I took Spanish in high school, and because of my major, had to take
>German in college. I know little of either language anymore but way more
>Spanish than German.
>I hated German sentence structure! The action all took place at the end
>of the sentence IIRC. We, to the mountains, on a winding road, went.
>Correct me, Bruce.

German and English are a lot more related than Spanish and English, so
you'd think German would feel more familiar to you.

On 3/11/2024 5:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-03-11 5:02 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/10/2024 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-10 5:41 p.m., Graham wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-08 10:13 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> . He ministered to the guy and
>>>>> helped him find Jesus and salvation. Then he explained how he had
>>>>> come to understand why God had put him through that ordeal. God had
>>>>> been instrumental in getting Jimmy into the depths of that prison
>>>>> to find this guy and help him find Jesus.  I almost puked at that.
>>>>>
>>>> One look at the heavily painted Tammy Faye was enough to make anyone
>>>> puke.
>>>
>>>
>>> I recently watched The Eyes of Tammy Faye. It's worth watching.
>>>
>> Damn, Dave.  I wish I'd read your post first; I just posted about that
>> same movie!  I saw it last Saturday on FXM or some such cable movie
>> channel.
>>
>
>  I don't know about you, but I thought it was a surprisingly good movie.
>
It was surprisingly good. Yes, I watched it because it showed up after
the mention of the Bakker's here and there wasn't much on TV that
afternoon. LOL The entire Bakker philosophy about GOD not wanting
people to be poor, therefore GOD should enrich the two of them so they
could spread HIS word, didn't surprise me at all. Typical evangelicals
begging for money. The actors who played Jim and Tammy Faye did a very
good job.

Jill

On 2024-03-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 11 Mar 2024 21:45:34 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-03-11, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I studied German in high school. I wish I'd taken Spanish.
>>
>>I took Spanish in high school, and because of my major, had to take
>>German in college. I know little of either language anymore but way more
>>Spanish than German.
>>I hated German sentence structure! The action all took place at the end
>>of the sentence IIRC. We, to the mountains, on a winding road, went.
>>Correct me, Bruce.
>
> German and English are a lot more related than Spanish and English, so
> you'd think German would feel more familiar to you.

I certainly found that to be the case. And the systematic study of
German grammar made my English grammar better.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2024-03-11 5:45 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> >On 2024-03-11, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I studied German in high school. I wish I'd taken Spanish.
> >
> >
> > I took Spanish in high school, and because of my major, had to take
> > German in college. I know little of either language anymore but way
> > more Spanish than German.
> > I hated German sentence structure! The action all took place at the
> > end of the sentence IIRC. We, to the mountains, on a winding road,
> > went. Correct me, Bruce.
>
>
> I started French in Gr 7, which was a couple years earlier than it
> started in most schools up here, and I took it all the way through
> high school. My started taking German in Gr. 10. My best friend was
> German and his family were polite enough to speak English when I was
> there but they spoke enough German around me that I absorbed a lot
> of it before I actually studied it. While I have have much larger
> vocabulary in French I usually need a few days before I start hearing
> it clearly. My vocabulary in German is lot more limited I at least
> hear the words clearly.
>
>
> My son started learning French in Gr. 5 and when he was in Gr. 7 we
> sent him on an exchange to Quebec. He spent two weeks up there and we
> had a French kid here for two weeks. In high school he did well in
> French and went on a school trip to Paris. He ended up attending
> university in Montreal and worked his way through school working in
> French. He eventually got a bilingual position with the federal
> government. It's a good deal for him because he gets a bonus for
> being bilingual. He has worked at learning Spanish. Over the last 10
> years he has been to Cuba, Columbia, Pere and Bolovia and has picked
> up a lot of Spanish. I have been with him in Mexican and Peruvian
> restaurants where he had conversations with the staff and was
> obviously quite fluent.

I moved a lot still then. 7th grade took Latin. Moved and no latin so
took german. Moved again and it was spanish for 2 years. Later as an
adult, Japanese 201 and 301.

Mostly I retained bits of Latin and Spanish but with a Cuban accent due
to Miami in grade school.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:13:58 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

>> My son started learning French in Gr. 5 and when he was in Gr. 7 we
>> sent him on an exchange to Quebec. He spent two weeks up there and we
>> had a French kid here for two weeks. In high school he did well in
>> French and went on a school trip to Paris. He ended up attending
>> university in Montreal and worked his way through school working in
>> French. He eventually got a bilingual position with the federal
>> government. It's a good deal for him because he gets a bonus for
>> being bilingual. He has worked at learning Spanish. Over the last 10
>> years he has been to Cuba, Columbia, Pere and Bolovia and has picked
>> up a lot of Spanish. I have been with him in Mexican and Peruvian
>> restaurants where he had conversations with the staff and was
>> obviously quite fluent.
>
>I moved a lot still then. 7th grade took Latin. Moved and no latin so
>took german. Moved again and it was spanish for 2 years. Later as an
>adult, Japanese 201 and 301.
>
>Mostly I retained bits of Latin and Spanish but with a Cuban accent due
>to Miami in grade school.

You speak Latin?

On 3/8/2024 3:42 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On 2024-03-08, Justisaur wrote:
>
>> Not that it matters one whit to anyone else, but I
>> can't stand lavender. It smells like rotting roadkill
>
> Does it remind you of lilac? That's one 'invasive'
> species the way the smell invades the neighborhood
> and mixes with the rotting over-wintered humus smell.
>
> Both remind me of bathroom / laundry smell from soap &c.
>

I'm not sure on lilac. I looked up pictures, and I'm fairly certain
I've seen one, but I don't remember anything about the smell.

I like a number of other flowers. Roses, jasmine, cherry come to mind.
Geraniums are strong and have some unpleasantness but I don't mind.
Unfortunately we've got a lot of fruitless pears around here and I don't
know anyone who likes that smell. Also known as cum-trees. I like the
scent of pine, but there was a particular kind at my old work that made
my eyes start running like I'd been cutting onions when they were
putting out clouds of yellow pollen that covered everyone's cars.

--
-Justisaur

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