jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/27/2024 1:49 PM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 9:52 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 6:15 AM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2024 7:14 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Using large 2 10" round flour tortillas.  Oaxaca
>>>>>>>>>>>> cheese along  with some crumbled pepperjack.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooked on the stovetop in a  skillet with a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>> hot butter until the cheese is starting  to melt
>>>>>>>>>>>> and one side of the tortilla is lightly browned.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Turn  using a wide spatula and cook until the other
>>>>>>>>>>>> side is lightly  browned and the cheese is nicely
>>>>>>>>>>>> melted. Remove the skillet  from the heat.  Remove
>>>>>>>>>>>> the quesadilla to a board, let it set a  minute
>>>>>>>>>>>> then cut it into triangles (kind of like slicing a
>>>>>>>>>>>> small  round pizza).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you feel like adding salsa or pico or other
>>>>>>>>>>>> sauces, feel free.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> While the current iteration of the American Left and
>>>>>>>>>>> the  Democrat Party does not have a military uniform
>>>>>>>>>>> fetish or goose  step up Pennsylvania Avenue, they
>>>>>>>>>>> are little different than the  Nazi Party of
>>>>>>>>>>> 1927-1934 in their pursuit of one-party control of
>>>>>>>>>>> Germany...  There is no tactic out-of-bounds, no
>>>>>>>>>>> limit to the lives to be  sacrificed, no constraint
>>>>>>>>>>> on lawlessness, no acknowledgment of  the rule of
>>>>>>>>>>> law, no deference to a written Constitution, and no
>>>>>>>>>>> respect for the dignity of mankind -- just a raw
>>>>>>>>>>> unbridled  determination to seize power in
>>>>>>>>>>> perpetuity...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with dinner tonight?  Why to
>>>>>>>>>> you keep  injecting political stuff into a food post?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You do it ALL the time, Ed...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Usually to answer your crap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I pledge to not post anything political in this group.
>>>>>>>> Will you  join me?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think carefully before responding... that could be the end of
>>>>>>> a  great era of public education!
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a food related group.  We do go off topic at times but
>>>>>> still  maintain overall focus.  No one has ever changed the
>>>>>> political slant  of anyone so posting that stuff just
>>>>>> interferes.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want public education here, let's discuss the best way
>>>>>> to cook  broccoli and roasting vs steaming cauliflower.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quit the lecturing and hectoring, Ed - you come off sounding like
>>>>> a  nag such as Jill...
>>>>
>>>> Ed has spoken, doesn't that mean it is our duty to obey? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, I'm just another contributor.  Sometimes I am opinionated but
>>> have pledged to avoid politics.  I'm trying to set a good example.
>>
>> Notice I;m not in political threads much at all?
>
> No, but you encourage the trolls.  'D' is the latest one.
>
> Jill

With all due respect, this is your majesty's fault entirely. Your highness
should have banned all these goddamn bastards long ago.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-27, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> That makes me wonder if anyone has tried roasting broccoli. I had some at a
>> restaruant yesterday, amd it was terrible.
>
> Yes, I've roasted broccoli. It was delicious.
>
> What was terrible about the roasted broccoli at the restaurant?
>

Dried out, best described as tough and slightly crunchy.

Ed P wrote:
> On 3/27/2024 7:47 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/27/2024 10:04 AM, Ed P wrote:
>>> If you want public education here, let's discuss the best way to cook
>>> broccoli and roasting vs steaming cauliflower.
>>
>> I prefer roasted cauliflower over roasted broccoli.  I recently bought a
>> nice head of cauliflower and after removing the thick green stems at the
>> base, sliced it into about 3/4-inch thick "steaks" rather than cutting it
>> into florets.  Brushed each with olive oil combined with fresh lemon
>> juice, minced garlic, red pepper flakes and S&P.  Roasted it the oven at
>> 400F on a lined baking sheet, turning each cauliflower "steak" after
>> about 15 minutes and brushing again with the mixture on the other side.
>> Lightly browned, tender and delicious!  I'd prepare it this way again.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Seems broccoli is a little touch if the stalk is thick.  Been a while since
> I had cauliflower but roasted is very good.  Your method sounds good.

Her majesty's shit is always perfect.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/26/2024 9:30 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 26/03/2024 23:45, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2024 7:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-26 6:04 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> Using large 2 10" round flour tortillas.  Oaxaca cheese along with
>>>>> some crumbled pepperjack.  Cooked on the stovetop in a skillet with a
>>>>> bit of hot butter until the cheese is starting to melt and one side of
>>>>> the tortilla is lightly browned.  Turn using a wide spatula and cook
>>>>> until the other side is lightly browned and the cheese is nicely
>>>>> melted. Remove the skillet from the heat.  Remove the quesadilla to a
>>>>> board, let it set a minute then cut it into triangles (kind of like
>>>>> slicing a small round pizza).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you feel like adding salsa or pico or other sauces, feel free.
>>>>>
>>>> I made meatloaf. It was excellent.
>>>>
>>> I should probably make meatloaf again soon.  I like it a lot but it's
>>> not a regular thing.  I use a combination of lean ground beef and
>>> ground pork, and oatmeal rather than breadcrumbs.  No ketchup slathered
>>> on the top, either.
>>>
>> Hmm. I've not made meatloaf in ages...
>> I think I'll do that this week - but not as a loaf. I'll use my silicone
>> muffin pans, and make enough to freeze for later.
>> I use barley in mine (I'm allergic to oats), mushrooms, onions, tomatoes,
>> celery.
>> And no ketchup.
>> I may add some pulverised ceci/garbanzos, too.
>>
>
> I was looking at my silicone muffin pans the other day and thinking why
> haven't I used them to make mini-meatloafs for the freezer?  I do use quick
> cooking oats as part of the binder rather than bread crumbs.
>
> Jill

Your majesty should try substituting metamucel for the oats. You'd be more
regular, and maybe not nearly as cranky.

On 2024-03-28, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-27, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> That makes me wonder if anyone has tried roasting broccoli. I had some at a
>>> restaruant yesterday, amd it was terrible.
>>
>> Yes, I've roasted broccoli. It was delicious.
>>
>> What was terrible about the roasted broccoli at the restaurant?
>>
>
> Dried out, best described as tough and slightly crunchy.

Ah. Not because it was roasted, but because it was roasted poorly.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/27/2024 1:49 PM, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 9:52 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 6:15 AM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2024 7:14 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using large 2 10" round flour tortillas.  Oaxaca
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheese along  with some crumbled pepperjack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooked on the stovetop in a  skillet with a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hot butter until the cheese is starting  to melt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and one side of the tortilla is lightly browned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turn  using a wide spatula and cook until the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> side is lightly  browned and the cheese is nicely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> melted. Remove the skillet  from the heat.  Remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the quesadilla to a board, let it set a  minute
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then cut it into triangles (kind of like slicing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> small  round pizza).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you feel like adding salsa or pico or other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sauces, feel free.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> While the current iteration of the American Left and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the  Democrat Party does not have a military uniform
>>>>>>>>>>>> fetish or goose  step up Pennsylvania Avenue, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are little different than the  Nazi Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1927-1934 in their pursuit of one-party control of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany...  There is no tactic out-of-bounds, no
>>>>>>>>>>>> limit to the lives to be  sacrificed, no constraint
>>>>>>>>>>>> on lawlessness, no acknowledgment of  the rule of
>>>>>>>>>>>> law, no deference to a written Constitution, and no
>>>>>>>>>>>> respect for the dignity of mankind -- just a raw
>>>>>>>>>>>> unbridled  determination to seize power in
>>>>>>>>>>>> perpetuity...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with dinner tonight?  Why to
>>>>>>>>>>> you keep  injecting political stuff into a food post?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You do it ALL the time, Ed...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Usually to answer your crap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I pledge to not post anything political in this group.
>>>>>>>>> Will you  join me?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think carefully before responding... that could be the end of
>>>>>>>> a  great era of public education!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a food related group.  We do go off topic at times but
>>>>>>> still  maintain overall focus.  No one has ever changed the
>>>>>>> political slant  of anyone so posting that stuff just
>>>>>>> interferes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want public education here, let's discuss the best way
>>>>>>> to cook  broccoli and roasting vs steaming cauliflower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quit the lecturing and hectoring, Ed - you come off sounding like
>>>>>> a  nag such as Jill...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed has spoken, doesn't that mean it is our duty to obey? ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, I'm just another contributor.  Sometimes I am opinionated but
>>>> have pledged to avoid politics.  I'm trying to set a good example.
>>>
>>> Notice I;m not in political threads much at all?
>>
>> No, but you encourage the trolls.  'D' is the latest one.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> With all due respect, this is your majesty's fault entirely. Your highness
> should have banned all these goddamn bastards long ago.
>
>

Jill has spoken, isn't it our duty to obey? ;)

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

> Ed P wrote:
>> On 3/27/2024 7:47 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2024 10:04 AM, Ed P wrote:
>>>> If you want public education here, let's discuss the best way to cook
>>>> broccoli and roasting vs steaming cauliflower.
>>>
>>> I prefer roasted cauliflower over roasted broccoli.  I recently bought a
>>> nice head of cauliflower and after removing the thick green stems at the
>>> base, sliced it into about 3/4-inch thick "steaks" rather than cutting it
>>> into florets.  Brushed each with olive oil combined with fresh lemon
>>> juice, minced garlic, red pepper flakes and S&P.  Roasted it the oven at
>>> 400F on a lined baking sheet, turning each cauliflower "steak" after about
>>> 15 minutes and brushing again with the mixture on the other side. Lightly
>>> browned, tender and delicious!  I'd prepare it this way again.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Seems broccoli is a little touch if the stalk is thick.  Been a while since
>> I had cauliflower but roasted is very good.  Your method sounds good.
>
> Her majesty's shit is always perfect.

Please Hank, around here we say her majesty's _excrement_ in order not to
offend! Another acceptable phrase would be her majety's waste products.

D wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/27/2024 1:49 PM, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 9:52 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 6:15 AM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2024 7:14 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using large 2 10" round flour tortillas.  Oaxaca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheese along  with some crumbled pepperjack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooked on the stovetop in a  skillet with a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hot butter until the cheese is starting  to melt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and one side of the tortilla is lightly browned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turn  using a wide spatula and cook until the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side is lightly  browned and the cheese is nicely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> melted. Remove the skillet  from the heat.  Remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the quesadilla to a board, let it set a  minute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then cut it into triangles (kind of like slicing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small  round pizza).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you feel like adding salsa or pico or other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sauces, feel free.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> While the current iteration of the American Left and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the  Democrat Party does not have a military uniform
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fetish or goose  step up Pennsylvania Avenue, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are little different than the  Nazi Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1927-1934 in their pursuit of one-party control of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany...  There is no tactic out-of-bounds, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit to the lives to be  sacrificed, no constraint
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on lawlessness, no acknowledgment of  the rule of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> law, no deference to a written Constitution, and no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect for the dignity of mankind -- just a raw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unbridled  determination to seize power in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perpetuity...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with dinner tonight?  Why to
>>>>>>>>>>>> you keep  injecting political stuff into a food post?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You do it ALL the time, Ed...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Usually to answer your crap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I pledge to not post anything political in this group.
>>>>>>>>>> Will you  join me?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think carefully before responding... that could be the end of
>>>>>>>>> a  great era of public education!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a food related group.  We do go off topic at times but
>>>>>>>> still  maintain overall focus.  No one has ever changed the
>>>>>>>> political slant  of anyone so posting that stuff just
>>>>>>>> interferes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want public education here, let's discuss the best way
>>>>>>>> to cook  broccoli and roasting vs steaming cauliflower.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quit the lecturing and hectoring, Ed - you come off sounding like
>>>>>>> a  nag such as Jill...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed has spoken, doesn't that mean it is our duty to obey? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I'm just another contributor.  Sometimes I am opinionated but
>>>>> have pledged to avoid politics.  I'm trying to set a good example.
>>>>
>>>> Notice I;m not in political threads much at all?
>>>
>>> No, but you encourage the trolls.  'D' is the latest one.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> With all due respect, this is your majesty's fault entirely. Your highness
>> should have banned all these goddamn bastards long ago.
>>
>>

> Jill has spoken, isn't it our duty to obey? ;)

We apoligise for Jill - not *all* American women are like her...

--
GM

jmcquown wrote:

> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Notice I'm not in political threads much at all?
>
> No, but you encourage the trolls. 'D' is the latest one.
>
> Jill

Jill, we have had this conversation before. You do not run my killfile
and I think you over use yours. I'm not as prone to using mine.

cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> Notice I'm not in political threads much at all?
>>
>> No, but you encourage the trolls. 'D' is the latest one.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Jill, we have had this conversation before. You do not run my killfile
> and I think you over use yours. I'm not as prone to using mine.
>
>
This is how I imagine it is to live with Jill -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HU-RfV7QA0

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 15:22:04 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >
>> > Notice I'm not in political threads much at all?
>>
>> No, but you encourage the trolls. 'D' is the latest one.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Jill, we have had this conversation before. You do not run my killfile
>and I think you over use yours. I'm not as prone to using mine.

Rebellion!

On 2024-03-28, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:

> I don't make meatloaf frequently and never would thought of putting
> anchovies and Marmite in meatloaf. Have tried to make a free form
> meatloaf several times and went back to baking in a pan. Next time I'll
> do the partial bake in a pan technique. Might even try it with a
> sillycone muffin pan - portion control and lots of crusty surface area.

Add enough breadcrumbs or other starches, and you can make any meatloaf
that you create, out of any loose meat, into a sculpture before baking,
if you want to. I've not tried it, but flour would probably do as a
starch.
I'm old fashioned. I use a loaf pan but that's just because that's what I
always do. Old dog, new tricks, long past innovation.
Meatloaf is a method, not a recipe, and kind of like Pastorio's "cream of
anything" soup.
2 cents.

In article
<Wrqdnc2zrbwBQZv7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>,
cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>
> > On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > >
> > > Notice I'm not in political threads much at all?
> >
> > No, but you encourage the trolls. 'D' is the latest one.
> >
> > Jill
>
> Jill, we have had this conversation before. You do not run my killfile
> and I think you over use yours.

Your idea of Jill's killfile (and it's use) is almost
certainly ill-informed, based on the many lying slurs
about her posted by the trolls you befriend and encourage.

Janet UK

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

> D wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 1:49 PM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 9:52 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 6:15 AM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2024 7:14 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using large 2 10" round flour tortillas.  Oaxaca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheese along  with some crumbled pepperjack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooked on the stovetop in a  skillet with a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hot butter until the cheese is starting  to melt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and one side of the tortilla is lightly browned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turn  using a wide spatula and cook until the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side is lightly  browned and the cheese is nicely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> melted. Remove the skillet  from the heat.  Remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the quesadilla to a board, let it set a  minute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then cut it into triangles (kind of like slicing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small  round pizza).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you feel like adding salsa or pico or other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sauces, feel free.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While the current iteration of the American Left and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the  Democrat Party does not have a military uniform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fetish or goose  step up Pennsylvania Avenue, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are little different than the  Nazi Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1927-1934 in their pursuit of one-party control of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany...  There is no tactic out-of-bounds, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit to the lives to be  sacrificed, no constraint
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on lawlessness, no acknowledgment of  the rule of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law, no deference to a written Constitution, and no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect for the dignity of mankind -- just a raw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unbridled  determination to seize power in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perpetuity...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with dinner tonight?  Why to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you keep  injecting political stuff into a food post?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You do it ALL the time, Ed...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Usually to answer your crap.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I pledge to not post anything political in this group.
>>>>>>>>>>> Will you  join me?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Think carefully before responding... that could be the end of
>>>>>>>>>> a  great era of public education!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a food related group.  We do go off topic at times but
>>>>>>>>> still  maintain overall focus.  No one has ever changed the
>>>>>>>>> political slant  of anyone so posting that stuff just
>>>>>>>>> interferes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want public education here, let's discuss the best way
>>>>>>>>> to cook  broccoli and roasting vs steaming cauliflower.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quit the lecturing and hectoring, Ed - you come off sounding like
>>>>>>>> a  nag such as Jill...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed has spoken, doesn't that mean it is our duty to obey? ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, I'm just another contributor.  Sometimes I am opinionated but
>>>>>> have pledged to avoid politics.  I'm trying to set a good example.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice I;m not in political threads much at all?
>>>>
>>>> No, but you encourage the trolls.  'D' is the latest one.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> With all due respect, this is your majesty's fault entirely. Your highness
>>> should have banned all these goddamn bastards long ago.
>>>
>>>
>
>> Jill has spoken, isn't it our duty to obey? ;)
>
> We apoligise for Jill - not *all* American women are like her...
>
>

By god I hope not! That would be the end of america. ;)

D wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

>> D wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 1:49 PM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 9:52 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 6:15 AM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2024 7:14 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using large 2 10" round flour tortillas.  Oaxaca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheese along  with some crumbled pepperjack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooked on the stovetop in a  skillet with a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hot butter until the cheese is starting  to melt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and one side of the tortilla is lightly browned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turn  using a wide spatula and cook until the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side is lightly  browned and the cheese is nicely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> melted. Remove the skillet  from the heat.  Remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the quesadilla to a board, let it set a  minute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then cut it into triangles (kind of like slicing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small  round pizza).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you feel like adding salsa or pico or other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sauces, feel free.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While the current iteration of the American Left and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the  Democrat Party does not have a military uniform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fetish or goose  step up Pennsylvania Avenue, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are little different than the  Nazi Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1927-1934 in their pursuit of one-party control of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany...  There is no tactic out-of-bounds, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit to the lives to be  sacrificed, no constraint
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on lawlessness, no acknowledgment of  the rule of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law, no deference to a written Constitution, and no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect for the dignity of mankind -- just a raw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unbridled  determination to seize power in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perpetuity...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with dinner tonight?  Why to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you keep  injecting political stuff into a food post?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do it ALL the time, Ed...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Usually to answer your crap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I pledge to not post anything political in this group.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will you  join me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Think carefully before responding... that could be the end of
>>>>>>>>>>> a  great era of public education!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a food related group.  We do go off topic at times but
>>>>>>>>>> still  maintain overall focus.  No one has ever changed the
>>>>>>>>>> political slant  of anyone so posting that stuff just
>>>>>>>>>> interferes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you want public education here, let's discuss the best way
>>>>>>>>>> to cook  broccoli and roasting vs steaming cauliflower.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quit the lecturing and hectoring, Ed - you come off sounding like
>>>>>>>>> a  nag such as Jill...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed has spoken, doesn't that mean it is our duty to obey? ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, I'm just another contributor.  Sometimes I am opinionated but
>>>>>>> have pledged to avoid politics.  I'm trying to set a good example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice I;m not in political threads much at all?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, but you encourage the trolls.  'D' is the latest one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With all due respect, this is your majesty's fault entirely. Your highness
>>>> should have banned all these goddamn bastards long ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>> Jill has spoken, isn't it our duty to obey? ;)
>>
>> We apoligise for Jill - not *all* American women are like her...
>>
>>

> By god I hope not! That would be the end of america. ;)

It's *already* happened in UK - look at "Janet UK" who posts here, lol...

I think that Shakespeare would refer to her as a "fishwife"...

[ I will admit that I'm a huge admirer of Mrs. Thatcher... ]

;-D

--
GM

On 2024-03-30 12:48 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-03-28, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I don't make meatloaf frequently and never would thought of putting
>> anchovies and Marmite in meatloaf. Have tried to make a free form
>> meatloaf several times and went back to baking in a pan. Next time I'll
>> do the partial bake in a pan technique. Might even try it with a
>> sillycone muffin pan - portion control and lots of crusty surface area.
>
>
> Add enough breadcrumbs or other starches, and you can make any meatloaf
> that you create, out of any loose meat, into a sculpture before baking,
> if you want to. I've not tried it, but flour would probably do as a
> starch.
> I'm old fashioned. I use a loaf pan but that's just because that's what I
> always do. Old dog, new tricks, long past innovation.
> Meatloaf is a method, not a recipe, and kind of like Pastorio's "cream of
> anything" soup.
> 2 cents.

The last few that I have made that turned out so well were done not done
in loaf pans. That seems to be the big difference in my method so that
is what I am crediting for them being so much better.

On 3/30/2024 6:34 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article
> <Wrqdnc2zrbwBQZv7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Notice I'm not in political threads much at all?
>>>
>>> No, but you encourage the trolls. 'D' is the latest one.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Jill, we have had this conversation before. You do not run my killfile
>> and I think you over use yours.
>
> Your idea of Jill's killfile (and it's use) is almost
> certainly ill-informed, based on the many lying slurs
> about her posted by the trolls you befriend and encourage.
>
> Janet UK
>
>
I'm not trying to tell her or anyone else who to talk to. To me it's
pretty simple: when someone posts mostly disruptive garbage, they're
trolling.

OB Food: Braised lamb shanks for dinner tomorrow. More about that later. :)

Jill

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> On 2024-03-28, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I don't make meatloaf frequently and never would thought of putting
> > anchovies and Marmite in meatloaf. Have tried to make a free form
> > meatloaf several times and went back to baking in a pan. Next time
> > I'll do the partial bake in a pan technique. Might even try it
> > with a sillycone muffin pan - portion control and lots of crusty
> > surface area.
>
>
> Add enough breadcrumbs or other starches, and you can make any
> meatloaf that you create, out of any loose meat, into a sculpture
> before baking, if you want to. I've not tried it, but flour would
> probably do as a starch.
> I'm old fashioned. I use a loaf pan but that's just because that's
> what I always do. Old dog, new tricks, long past innovation.
> Meatloaf is a method, not a recipe, and kind of like Pastorio's
> "cream of anything" soup.
> 2 cents.

I agree, meatloaf is a method and recipes vary with the individual.

There's a mom-n-pop diner here. Not stellar from the outside but
really GOOD home cooking. Mama's meatloaf is great! Topped with home
made brown gravy and sided with real mashed potatoes done a bit lumpy,
just like I like!

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 10:34:41 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>In article
><Wrqdnc2zrbwBQZv7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> > On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Notice I'm not in political threads much at all?
>> >
>> > No, but you encourage the trolls. 'D' is the latest one.
>> >
>> > Jill
>>
>> Jill, we have had this conversation before. You do not run my killfile
>> and I think you over use yours.
>
> Your idea of Jill's killfile (and it's use) is almost
>certainly ill-informed, based on the many lying slurs
>about her posted by the trolls you befriend and encourage.

A servile sycophant post.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

> D wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>
>>> D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 1:49 PM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 9:52 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 6:15 AM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2024 7:14 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using large 2 10" round flour tortillas.  Oaxaca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheese along  with some crumbled pepperjack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooked on the stovetop in a  skillet with a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hot butter until the cheese is starting  to melt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and one side of the tortilla is lightly browned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turn  using a wide spatula and cook until the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side is lightly  browned and the cheese is nicely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> melted. Remove the skillet  from the heat.  Remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the quesadilla to a board, let it set a  minute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then cut it into triangles (kind of like slicing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small  round pizza).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you feel like adding salsa or pico or other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sauces, feel free.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While the current iteration of the American Left and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the  Democrat Party does not have a military uniform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fetish or goose  step up Pennsylvania Avenue, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are little different than the  Nazi Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1927-1934 in their pursuit of one-party control of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany...  There is no tactic out-of-bounds, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit to the lives to be  sacrificed, no constraint
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on lawlessness, no acknowledgment of  the rule of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law, no deference to a written Constitution, and no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect for the dignity of mankind -- just a raw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unbridled  determination to seize power in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perpetuity...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with dinner tonight?  Why to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you keep  injecting political stuff into a food post?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do it ALL the time, Ed...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usually to answer your crap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pledge to not post anything political in this group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will you  join me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Think carefully before responding... that could be the end of
>>>>>>>>>>>> a  great era of public education!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a food related group.  We do go off topic at times but
>>>>>>>>>>> still  maintain overall focus.  No one has ever changed the
>>>>>>>>>>> political slant  of anyone so posting that stuff just
>>>>>>>>>>> interferes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you want public education here, let's discuss the best way
>>>>>>>>>>> to cook  broccoli and roasting vs steaming cauliflower.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quit the lecturing and hectoring, Ed - you come off sounding like
>>>>>>>>>> a  nag such as Jill...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed has spoken, doesn't that mean it is our duty to obey? ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, I'm just another contributor.  Sometimes I am opinionated but
>>>>>>>> have pledged to avoid politics.  I'm trying to set a good example.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Notice I;m not in political threads much at all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, but you encourage the trolls.  'D' is the latest one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With all due respect, this is your majesty's fault entirely. Your
>>>>> highness should have banned all these goddamn bastards long ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> Jill has spoken, isn't it our duty to obey? ;)
>>>
>>> We apoligise for Jill - not *all* American women are like her...
>>>
>>>
>
>> By god I hope not! That would be the end of america. ;)
>
> It's *already* happened in UK - look at "Janet UK" who posts here, lol...
>
> I think that Shakespeare would refer to her as a "fishwife"...
>
> [ I will admit that I'm a huge admirer of Mrs. Thatcher... ]
>
> ;-D

True... you could try sweden for a good dose of that kind of woman as
well... shudder!

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:49:34 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 3/30/2024 6:34 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article
>> <Wrqdnc2zrbwBQZv7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...
>>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/28/2024 1:48 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice I'm not in political threads much at all?
>>>>
>>>> No, but you encourage the trolls. 'D' is the latest one.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Jill, we have had this conversation before. You do not run my killfile
>>> and I think you over use yours.
>>
>> Your idea of Jill's killfile (and it's use) is almost
>> certainly ill-informed, based on the many lying slurs
>> about her posted by the trolls you befriend and encourage.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>>
>I'm not trying to tell her or anyone else who to talk to.

Ghe ghe. You funny.