Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
a great hurry.

If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?

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On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>
> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
> a great hurry.
>
> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?

Cantaloupe.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

In article <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com>,
hayesstw@telkomsa.net says...
>
> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

You're overlooking the huge variation in animal physiology between
different species.

For example, horses don't have the feet, musculature, hearing,
eyesight or dentition of leopards nor can they climb trees.

Leopards don't share the anatomy, digestive system, diet or neurology
of horses. Or sheep, rabbits and frogs.

Janet

On 2022-03-14 06:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Cantaloupe.

Can't elope.

On 2022-03-14 06:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Cantaloupe.

Can't elope.

On 2022-03-14 06:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Cantaloupe.

Can't elope.

Cantle ope.

On 14 Mar 2022, Steve Hayes wrote

> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

Not impossibly strange, but I think I'd assume it was describing an
unusual gait for a leopard -- that it looked more like a cantering
horse than a big cat.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:30:35 +1100, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
>Cantaloupe.

I know we canteloup but honey dew be mine

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.

> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?

I would take a seond look, certainly. A leopard does not move in a way
that I would ever call a canter.

"a pace of a horse or other quadruped between a trot and a gallop, with
not less than one foot on the ground at any time: I rode away at a
canter."

I don't think leopards trot either.

"(with reference to a horse or other four-legged animal) proceed or
cause to proceed at a pace faster than a walk, lifting each diagonal
pair of legs alternately"

> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
> a great hurry.

As you can see, trot and canter describe very specific movements, and
while some other quadrupeds may trot and canter, I don't think leopards
do (or any felines). A dog will trot (dogtrot), but we don't tend to
call it that very much outside of some regions.

> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?

Words associated with feline movement tend to stay away for sounds like
't' or 'k'. Felines are either described with words that have a 'sneaky'
connotation, or a 'quick' one. Pounce, prowl, stalk, etc.

--
Today the road all runners come/Shoulder high we bring you home. And
set you at your threshold down/Townsman of a stiller town.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
>Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.

Especially to Jewish horses.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

On 14/03/2022 1:31 pm, Janet wrote:
> In article <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com>,
> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says...
>>
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>
> You're overlooking the huge variation in animal physiology between
> different species.
>
> For example, horses don't have the feet, musculature, hearing,
> eyesight or dentition of leopards nor can they climb trees.
>
> Leopards don't share the anatomy, digestive system, diet or neurology
> of horses.

If they can find a big enough horse, they might well share its
anatomy... with their mate and cubs.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf120s6e7e9ftvkdcrob@4ax.com>,
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
> >
> >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.

> Especially to Jewish horses.

I didn't know horses practiced religion.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In message <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf120s6e7e9ftvkdcrob@4ax.com> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>>In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>>Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>>Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.

> Especially to Jewish horses.

I've never seen a circumcised horse.

--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain. But would the villains really have gotten away
with it, if it weren't for those pesky kids and their dog?"

On 14-Mar-22 12:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>>
>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Cantaloupe.
>

The point of transition from one gait to the other.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 14-Mar-22 17:28, charles wrote:
> I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf120s6e7e9ftvkdcrob@4ax.com>,
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>
>>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>>> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
>
>> Especially to Jewish horses.
>
> I didn't know horses practiced religion.

They don't need to practise.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 17:28:43 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

>
>I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf120s6e7e9ftvkdcrob@4ax.com>,
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> >In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> >> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>> >
>> >Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>> >Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
>
>> Especially to Jewish horses.
>
>I didn't know horses practiced religion.

Not all of them. Just the Jewish ones.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

On 15/03/22 04:04, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
> Especially to Jewish horses.

And maybe the horse will sing.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Lewis scribbled something on Monday the 3/14/2022:
> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes
> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>
> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.

Lope is a pace expected of horses in certain riding events; it is
distinct from trot and canter. I didn't use high-speed photography
when viewing such events.

>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>
> I would take a seond look, certainly. A leopard does not move in a way
> that I would ever call a canter.
>
> "a pace of a horse or other quadruped between a trot and a gallop, with
> not less than one foot on the ground at any time: I rode away at a
> canter."

Relying on WP,

The canter and gallop are variations on the fastest gait that can be
performed by a horse or other equine. The canter is a controlled
three-beat gait, while the gallop is a faster, four-beat variation of
the same gait. It is a natural gait possessed by all horses, faster
than most horses' trot, or ambling gaits. The gallop is the fastest
gait of the horse, averaging about 40 to 48 kilometres per hour (25 to
30 mph). The speed of the canter varies between 16 to 27 kilometres per
hour (10 to 17 mph) depending on the length of the horse's stride. A
variation of the canter, seen in western riding, is called a lope, and
is generally quite slow, no more than 13–19 kilometres per hour (8–12
mph)."

To my eyes, a gallop is what happens when a canter is stretched out.
(Side note: humans vary their running speed mostly by lengthening
their stride.)

> I don't think leopards trot either.
>
> "(with reference to a horse or other four-legged animal) proceed or
> cause to proceed at a pace faster than a walk, lifting each diagonal
> pair of legs alternately"

<URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWF9kxhUfSM>, which seems to match
what I've seen domestic felines do.

<URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTLptE3NDsk?

specifically:

<URL:https://youtu.be/hTLptE3NDsk?t=67>

The first minute is a walk, with the same-side legs moving at almost
the same time.

>
>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>> a great hurry.
>
> As you can see, trot and canter describe very specific movements, and
> while some other quadrupeds may trot and canter, I don't think leopards
> do (or any felines). A dog will trot (dogtrot), but we don't tend to
> call it that very much outside of some regions.

Nope.

>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>
> Words associated with feline movement tend to stay away for sounds like
> 't' or 'k'. Felines are either described with words that have a 'sneaky'
> connotation, or a 'quick' one. Pounce, prowl, stalk, etc.

Shure, and also "slinky", but much of that has to do with how the back
is held; the legs work with the same mechanics (with the caveat that
the horse doesn't have the sort of shoulder bones that confine the
upper leg; much of that is done muscle; that differs from humans, and
maybe from felines).

<URL:https://www.rodnikkel.com/content/index.php/saddle-tree-blog-from-shop-and-desk/how-does-the-horse-s-shoulder-blade-move/>

/dps

--
Maybe C282Y is simply one of the hangers-on, a groupie following a
future guitar god of the human genome: an allele with undiscovered
virtuosity, currently soloing in obscurity in Mom's garage.
Bradley Wertheim, theAtlantic.com, Jan 10 2013

charles submitted this gripping article, maybe on Monday:
> I dIn article <rbtu2h9noo6nffhf120s6e7e9ftvkdcrob@4ax.com>,
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes
>>> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>
>>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>>> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
>
>> Especially to Jewish horses.
>
> I didn't know horses practiced religion.

Having one rear up on you can lead to you practicing religion.

/dps

--
"I'm glad unicorns don't ever need upgrades."
"We are as up as it is possible to get graded!"
_Phoebe and Her Unicorn_, 2016.05.15

* Sam Plusnet:

> On 14-Mar-22 12:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>
>>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>>
>>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>>> a great hurry.
>>>
>>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>>
>> Cantaloupe.
>>
>
> The point of transition from one gait to the other.

Searching humor with a magnifying glass, are you?

--
.... it might be nice to see ourselves reflected in TV shows and
Pride season campaigns, but the cis white men who invented the
gender binary still own the damn mirror.
-- Delilah Friedler at slate.com

* Snidely:

> Lewis scribbled something on Monday the 3/14/2022:
>> In message <afbu2hdp7u6cmo8oun7hghk70tgiroisbh@4ax.com> Steve Hayes
>> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>
>> Do horses lope? I don't think I've heard that. Walk, Trot, Canter, and
>> Gallop; of these, canter seems to be somwehat tied to horses.
>
> Lope is a pace expected of horses in certain riding events; it is
> distinct from trot and canter. I didn't use high-speed photography
> when viewing such events.
>
>>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>
>> I would take a seond look, certainly. A leopard does not move in a way
>> that I would ever call a canter.
>>
>> "a pace of a horse or other quadruped between a trot and a gallop, with
>> not less than one foot on the ground at any time: I rode away at a
>> canter."
>
> Relying on WP,
>
> The canter and gallop are variations on the fastest gait that can be
> performed by a horse or other equine. The canter is a controlled
> three-beat gait, while the gallop is a faster, four-beat variation of
> the same gait. It is a natural gait possessed by all horses, faster
> than most horses' trot, or ambling gaits. The gallop is the fastest
> gait of the horse, averaging about 40 to 48 kilometres per hour (25 to
> 30 mph). The speed of the canter varies between 16 to 27 kilometres per
> hour (10 to 17 mph) depending on the length of the horse's stride. A
> variation of the canter, seen in western riding, is called a lope, and
> is generally quite slow, no more than 13–19 kilometres per hour (8–12
> mph)."

Yes, but further down on the page you'll find lope described as one of
six variations of canter.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canter_and_gallop>

And in the grand scheme of things, canter is a variation of gallop, not
as distinct from it as walk and trot.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_gait>

--
Hope and the odds make poor bedfellows.
-- Captain Picard, Picard S01E08

On 15-Mar-22 13:21, Quinn C wrote:
> * Sam Plusnet:
>
>> On 14-Mar-22 12:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>>
>>>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>>>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>>>> a great hurry.
>>>>
>>>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>>>
>>> Cantaloupe.
>>>
>>
>> The point of transition from one gait to the other.
>
> Searching humor with a magnifying glass, are you?
>
A quizzing glass perhaps.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 19:25:56 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 14-Mar-22 12:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>
>>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>>
>>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>>> a great hurry.
>>>
>>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>>
>> Cantaloupe.
>>
>
>The point of transition from one gait to the other.

The first gate takes you into the property, and the second one takes
you out.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

* Sam Plusnet:

> On 15-Mar-22 13:21, Quinn C wrote:
>> * Sam Plusnet:
>>
>>> On 14-Mar-22 12:30, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>> On 14/03/22 23:03, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?
>>>>>
>>>>> Would it seem strange to read of a leopard cantering down a hill?
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was a gait that could be seen in many quadrupeds,
>>>>> especially those with fairly long legs -- going quite fast, but not in
>>>>> a great hurry.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you think it seems too strange, what other word would you use?
>>>>
>>>> Cantaloupe.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The point of transition from one gait to the other.
>>
>> Searching humor with a magnifying glass, are you?
>>
> A quizzing glass perhaps.

<quizzical look through my lorgnette>

--
Kira: Any luck?
Garak: Plenty, major. Unfortunately, all of it bad.

Steve Hayes:

> Can animals other than horses canter or lope?

1913 Webser quotes one J.H. Walsh:

The canter is a thoroughly artificial pace, at first ex-
tremely tiring to the horse, and generally only to be
produced in him by the restraint of a powerful bit, which
compels him to throw a great part of his weight on his
haunches...

Man's cruelty toward his "lesser brothers" is unfathomable.

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