On 28-Mar-22 11:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:

> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
> `gay' and `making love'.

To counter that, you would have great difficulty today finding anyone
who thought "conversation" to be indecent - despite its use in the term
"criminal conversation".

--
Sam Plusnet

On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>
>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and Aitmatov's
>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as very intelligent
>>>>> creatures, and both the authors had intercourse with
>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>
>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>
>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>
>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>> negroid, Eskimo,
>
> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>
>> Karen, Snowflake,
> Karen? Snowflake? Why?

Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
of entitlement.

Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
young person with politically correct sensibilities.

>> and probably a lot more.
>
>
>
> Yes.
>

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>
>>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and Aitmatov's
>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as very intelligent
>>>>>> creatures, and both the authors had intercourse with
>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>
>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>
>>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>>>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>>>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>
>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>
>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>
>Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>of entitlement.
>
>Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>young person with politically correct sensibilities.

I've never seen or heard either used like that.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

On 28/03/2022 8:57 pm, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and Aitmatov's
>>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as very intelligent
>>>>>>> creatures, and both the authors had intercourse with
>>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>>
>>>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>>>>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>>>>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>>
>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>>
>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>
>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>>
>> Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>> of entitlement.
>>
>> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>> young person with politically correct sensibilities.
>
>
> I've never seen or heard either used like that.

Very, very common on third rate social media platforms, eg Twitter.

I can only presume you are too sensible to use Twitter.

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 12:57:41 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and Aitmatov's
>>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as very intelligent
>>>>>>> creatures, and both the authors had intercourse with
>>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>>
>>>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>>>>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>>>>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>>
>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>>
>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>
>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>>
>>Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>>of entitlement.
>>
>>Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>>young person with politically correct sensibilities.
>
>
>I've never seen or heard either used like that.

The "Karen" meme was seen quite often about a year ago, but seems to
be on the decline now. While it didn't originate with the Central
Park incident, it seemed to peak over that. A woman by the name of
Amy Cooper called the police claiming a black man was threatening her.
The man was just a bird watcher who happened to be in her vicinity.

There are, as you can expect, several "origins" of the name "Karen"
for a white female with an exaggerated sense of entitlement. One is a
line the movie "Mean Girls" and another is a Dane Cook comedy routine.

It is an insult to person being referred to as a "Karen", but it is
usually a deserved insult because that person has done/said something
reproachful.

If there's a term like "Karen" for a man with an exaggerated sense of
entitlement, I can' t think of it.

"Snowflake" is still commonly heard/seen, but goes back to 2010 or so.
While it is used to describe someone who is hypersensitive to insult
or offense, the person using it is often guilty of not being aware
that some subject/usage is actually insulting; a reverse snowflake.

--

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I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On 28/03/2022 9:27 pm, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 12:57:41 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and Aitmatov's
>>>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as very intelligent
>>>>>>>> creatures, and both the authors had intercourse with
>>>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>>>>>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>>>>>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>>>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>>>
>>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>>>
>>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>
>>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>>>
>>> Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>>> of entitlement.
>>>
>>> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>>> young person with politically correct sensibilities.
>>
>>
>> I've never seen or heard either used like that.
>
> The "Karen" meme was seen quite often about a year ago, but seems to
> be on the decline now. While it didn't originate with the Central
> Park incident, it seemed to peak over that. A woman by the name of
> Amy Cooper called the police claiming a black man was threatening her.
> The man was just a bird watcher who happened to be in her vicinity.
>
> There are, as you can expect, several "origins" of the name "Karen"
> for a white female with an exaggerated sense of entitlement. One is a
> line the movie "Mean Girls" and another is a Dane Cook comedy routine.
>
> It is an insult to person being referred to as a "Karen", but it is
> usually a deserved insult because that person has done/said something
> reproachful.
>
> If there's a term like "Karen" for a man with an exaggerated sense of
> entitlement, I can' t think of it.
>
> "Snowflake" is still commonly heard/seen, but goes back to 2010 or so.
> While it is used to describe someone who is hypersensitive to insult
> or offense, the person using it is often guilty of not being aware
> that some subject/usage is actually insulting; a reverse snowflake.

Or perhaps the person using it doesn't want to participate in the I'm
Offended game, rightly seeing the whole thing as ridiculous. You're[1]
offended? Okay, so what? You're[1] an adult. Deal with it and move on.

Snowflakes are people who can't be adults and move on.

[1] Generic 'you', not targeting TC!

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Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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On 2022-03-28 14:18, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 28/03/2022 8:57 pm, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Horses,   stupid?  Tolstoy's  "Strider"  and  Aitmatov's
>>>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray  them  as  very  intelligent
>>>>>>>> creatures,  and  both  the  authors had intercourse with
>>>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> `intercourse' means communication.  The unprovoked  implica-
>>>>>> tion  of  a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency.  The default  meaning
>>>>>> should the most general one.  Thus, English has already lost
>>>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>>>
>>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>>>
>>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>
>>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>>>
>>> Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>>> of entitlement.
>>>
>>> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>>> young person with politically correct sensibilities.
>>
>>
>> I've never seen or heard either used like that.
>
> Very, very common on third rate social media platforms, eg Twitter.
>
> I can only presume you are too sensible to use Twitter.

As am I, but I have heard 'Karen" often, both on TV programs and from
young relatives.

As for Snowflake, I gather that's mostly British. I've seen it on
Youtube videos.

lar3ryca:

> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense,
> especially a young person with politically correct sensi-
> bilities.

Rather, with political-correctness sensibilities, no?

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On 3/28/2022 5:16 PM, lar3ryca wrote:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> Ken Blake wrote:
>>> lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>> Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:

>>>>>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and
>>>>>>>>> Aitmatov's "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as
>>>>>>>>> very intelligent creatures, and both the authors
>>>>>>>>> had intercourse with horses throughout large part of
>>>>>>>>> their lives.

>>>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.

>>>>>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked
>>>>>>> implica- tion of a specific sexual or otherwise
>>>>>>> indecent meaning in neutral words is an alarming
>>>>>>> tendency. The default meaning should the most general
>>>>>>> one. Thus, English has already lost `gay' and `making
>>>>>>> love'.

>>>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he,
>>>>>> niggardly, negro, negroid, Eskimo,

>>>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm
>>>>> concerned.

>>>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?

>>>> Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an
>>>> exaggerated sense of entitlement.

>>>> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense,
>>>> especially a young person with politically correct
>>>> sensibilities.

>>> I've never seen or heard either used like that.

>> Very, very common on third rate social media platforms, eg
>> Twitter.

>> I can only presume you are too sensible to use Twitter.

> As am I, but I have heard 'Karen" often, both on TV programs and from
> young relatives.

> As for Snowflake, I gather that's mostly British. I've seen it on
> Youtube videos.

It's getting hard to tell the Karens from the Stacys.

On 2022-03-29 02:54, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> lar3ryca:
>
>> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense,
>> especially a young person with politically correct sensi-
>> bilities.
>
> Rather, with political-correctness sensibilities, no?

I quoted that from a dictionary. I understood it.
If it makes you happy, say it your way.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 21:18:53 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

>On 28/03/2022 8:57 pm, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and Aitmatov's
>>>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as very intelligent
>>>>>>>> creatures, and both the authors had intercourse with
>>>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>>>>>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>>>>>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>>>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>>>
>>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>>>
>>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>
>>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>>>
>>> Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>>> of entitlement.
>>>
>>> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>>> young person with politically correct sensibilities.
>>
>>
>> I've never seen or heard either used like that.
>
>Very, very common on third rate social media platforms, eg Twitter.
>
>I can only presume you are too sensible to use Twitter.

Yes. I stay away from Twitter, and *all* social media platforms,
regardless of what rating they have.

And if I did use Twitter, and I saw others using terms like that, I
would refrain from using them myself.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:16:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-03-28 14:18, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 28/03/2022 8:57 pm, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Horses,   stupid?  Tolstoy's  "Strider"  and  Aitmatov's
>>>>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray  them  as  very  intelligent
>>>>>>>>> creatures,  and  both  the  authors had intercourse with
>>>>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> `intercourse' means communication.  The unprovoked  implica-
>>>>>>> tion  of  a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency.  The default  meaning
>>>>>>> should the most general one.  Thus, English has already lost
>>>>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>>>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>>>>
>>>> Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>>>> of entitlement.
>>>>
>>>> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>>>> young person with politically correct sensibilities.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never seen or heard either used like that.
>>
>> Very, very common on third rate social media platforms, eg Twitter.
>>
>> I can only presume you are too sensible to use Twitter.
>
>As am I, but I have heard 'Karen" often, both on TV programs

Other than an occasional movie or tennis match, I watch nothing on TV.

>and from
>young relatives.

I have no young relatives who I'm in contact with, unless you call my
grandson, who is 26, young. Even if you do, I've never heard him use
either term.

>As for Snowflake, I gather that's mostly British. I've seen it on
>Youtube videos.

I watch very little on YouTube except for classical guitar players. I
play classical guitar, and I often watch someone playing a piece I'm
working on, to learn from it.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 16:27:41 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 12:57:41 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and Aitmatov's
>>>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as very intelligent
>>>>>>>> creatures, and both the authors had intercourse with
>>>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>>>>>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>>>>>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>>>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>>>
>>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>>>
>>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>
>>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>>>
>>>Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>>>of entitlement.
>>>
>>>Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>>>young person with politically correct sensibilities.
>>
>>
>>I've never seen or heard either used like that.
>
>The "Karen" meme was seen quite often about a year ago, but seems to
>be on the decline now. While it didn't originate with the Central
>Park incident, it seemed to peak over that. A woman by the name of
>Amy Cooper called the police claiming a black man was threatening her.
>The man was just a bird watcher who happened to be in her vicinity.
>
>There are, as you can expect, several "origins" of the name "Karen"
>for a white female with an exaggerated sense of entitlement. One is a
>line the movie "Mean Girls" and another is a Dane Cook comedy routine.
>
>It is an insult to person being referred to as a "Karen", but it is
>usually a deserved insult because that person has done/said something
>reproachful.
>
>If there's a term like "Karen" for a man with an exaggerated sense of
>entitlement, I can' t think of it.
>
>"Snowflake" is still commonly heard/seen, but goes back to 2010 or so.
>While it is used to describe someone who is hypersensitive to insult
>or offense, the person using it is often guilty of not being aware
>that some subject/usage is actually insulting; a reverse snowflake.

Common to you, and perhaps to others, but as I said, not to me.

--
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In message <8o444h567u4j1k97jug5glq6krll9craih@4ax.com> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>>of entitlement.
>>
>>Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>>young person with politically correct sensibilities.

> I've never seen or heard either used like that.

I think that speaks to you semi-isolation more than the commonality of
the terms. "Karen" is very common, and snowflake is generally derogatory
for anyone who gets their feelings hurt. The definition posted there is
quite wrong, since snowflake is often applied to conservatives who are
upset over things like not being able to carry guns into schools or
having to wear masks to go into some businesses.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)> (note the final ')')
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)> (note the final ')')

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foresee Duke Nukem 3.

Just this Monday, Ken Blake explained that ...
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and Aitmatov's
>>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as very intelligent
>>>>>>> creatures, and both the authors had intercourse with
>>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>>
>>>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>>>>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>>>>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>>
>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>>
>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>
>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>>
>> Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>> of entitlement.
>>
>> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>> young person with politically correct sensibilities.
>
>
> I've never seen or heard either used like that.

They've been covered in this group more than once, especially in the
last 2 years.

/dps

--
Who, me? And what lacuna?

Ken Blake submitted this gripping article, maybe on Tuesday:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 16:27:41 -0400, Tony Cooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 12:57:41 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-28 10:33, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:25:22 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-28 04:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>>>> Ken Blake to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Horses, stupid? Tolstoy's "Strider" and Aitmatov's
>>>>>>>>> "Farewell, Gulsary" portray them as very intelligent
>>>>>>>>> creatures, and both the authors had intercourse with
>>>>>>>>> horses throughout large part of their lives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They did? I thought that was illegal in Russia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>>>>>>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>>>>>>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>>>>>>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>>>>>>> `gay' and `making love'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And is well on the way to losing him, her, she, he, niggardly, negro,
>>>>>> negroid, Eskimo,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes to all the above. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen, Snowflake,
>>>>> Karen? Snowflake? Why?
>>>>
>>>> Karen n: Any person, especially female, exhibiting an exaggerated sense
>>>> of entitlement.
>>>>
>>>> Snowflake n: Someone hypersensitive to insult or offense, especially a
>>>> young person with politically correct sensibilities.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never seen or heard either used like that.
>>
>> The "Karen" meme was seen quite often about a year ago, but seems to
>> be on the decline now. While it didn't originate with the Central
>> Park incident, it seemed to peak over that. A woman by the name of
>> Amy Cooper called the police claiming a black man was threatening her.
>> The man was just a bird watcher who happened to be in her vicinity.
>>
>> There are, as you can expect, several "origins" of the name "Karen"
>> for a white female with an exaggerated sense of entitlement. One is a
>> line the movie "Mean Girls" and another is a Dane Cook comedy routine.
>>
>> It is an insult to person being referred to as a "Karen", but it is
>> usually a deserved insult because that person has done/said something
>> reproachful.
>>
>> If there's a term like "Karen" for a man with an exaggerated sense of
>> entitlement, I can' t think of it.
>>
>> "Snowflake" is still commonly heard/seen, but goes back to 2010 or so.
>> While it is used to describe someone who is hypersensitive to insult
>> or offense, the person using it is often guilty of not being aware
>> that some subject/usage is actually insulting; a reverse snowflake.
>
>
> Common to you, and perhaps to others, but as I said, not to me.

Well, you've just described yourself as being in a bunker, so we
shouldn't be surprised.

/dps "for lawns, off of getting"

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> instead, and see how that works out.
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On 28-Mar-22 21:27, Tony Cooper wrote:
> If there's a term like "Karen" for a man with an exaggerated sense of
> entitlement, I can' t think of it.

I have heard/read "Kevin" being used in that context, but I don't think
it has gained anywhere near as much traction as "Karen".

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Sam Plusnet

Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:05:29 +0100: Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> scribeva:

>On 28-Mar-22 21:27, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> If there's a term like "Karen" for a man with an exaggerated sense of
>> entitlement, I can' t think of it.
>
>I have heard/read "Kevin" being used in that context, but I don't think
>it has gained anywhere near as much traction as "Karen".

What about people who happen to have that name? They're supposed to
change it or hide it, because the mobs have decided it now has a
special, pejorative meaning?

In the Netherlands: Tokkies, named after a family in a real life soap.
But it is actually a surname, people have that name and have nothing
to do with that soap. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Tokkies

Ruud Harmsen speculated:
> Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:05:29 +0100: Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> scribeva:
>
>> On 28-Mar-22 21:27, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> If there's a term like "Karen" for a man with an exaggerated sense of
>>> entitlement, I can' t think of it.
>>
>> I have heard/read "Kevin" being used in that context, but I don't think
>> it has gained anywhere near as much traction as "Karen".
>
> What about people who happen to have that name? They're supposed to
> change it or hide it, because the mobs have decided it now has a
> special, pejorative meaning?

No, just grin and bear it.

> In the Netherlands: Tokkies, named after a family in a real life soap.
> But it is actually a surname, people have that name and have nothing
> to do with that soap. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Tokkies

Usually the context clarifies if the speaker is speaking of actual
persons or of stereotypes.

/dps

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 19:09:31 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 28-Mar-22 11:52, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>
>> `intercourse' means communication. The unprovoked implica-
>> tion of a specific sexual or otherwise indecent meaning in
>> neutral words is an alarming tendency. The default meaning
>> should the most general one. Thus, English has already lost
>> `gay' and `making love'.
>
>To counter that, you would have great difficulty today finding anyone
>who thought "conversation" to be indecent - despite its use in the term
>"criminal conversation".

And what to do about all those old books that, to indicate that
someone had said something, said, "he ejaculated"?

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