On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 2:44:07 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 10:08:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 7:49:56 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> >> On 10/18/2021 4:09 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Have fun? With drywall taping and mudding? What world are you living in?
> >> >
> >> You make it sound so dry... like Durabond 90! ; )
> >
> >Not sure about dry. But I have sanded drywall dry. But now I like to use a wet rag to smooth the dried mud out. That is much better. As for fun, the most fun I ever had hanging drywall, and taping and mudding it, was when I was all done with the job. Then I would party, sort of. Unlike electrical, which I love to do, I just don't get any joy at all out of drywall. I wish I never ever had to hang or patch drywall ever again.
> It IS one of the worst jobs - next to wall-papering - - - -
> Not far behind is repairing leaking plumbing pipes where there is
> always a little bit more water finding it's way to the repair site.
> Sometimes it is enough to make me go for a shark-byte.

I hates plumbing. I've been forced to do more than I want over the years. I'd rank plumbing lower into the cauldrons of H-LL than drywall.

On 10/18/2021 1:08 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 7:49:56 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>> On 10/18/2021 4:09 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Have fun? With drywall taping and mudding? What world are you living in?
>>>
>> You make it sound so dry... like Durabond 90! ; )
>
> Not sure about dry. But I have sanded drywall dry. But now I like to use a wet rag to smooth the dried mud out. That is much better. As for fun, the most fun I ever had hanging drywall, and taping and mudding it, was when I was all done with the job. Then I would party, sort of. Unlike electrical, which I love to do, I just don't get any joy at all out of drywall. I wish I never ever had to hang or patch drywall ever again.
>

I enjoy the challenge of taping good joints, and doing it as efficiently
as I can. I enjoy knowing that I can do a drywall job from start to
finish by myself because I have already done it. It's true that I have
wasted a few 4x8 sheets of drywall due to my "cut-out skills", but I
attribute that as part of the cost of my education.

This past summer, I painted my deck: power-spraying, sanding, and
painting, basically 5 days in all, but not in a row, and none of them
were (full) 8-hour days. If I had to choose, I prefer taping and
mudding... : ) I know that the amount of pleasure that one can derive
from any job changes if one does it full-time for 40-hours/week. But, I
enjoy trying to be a DIY-er. This summer I replaced the headlight
assemblies in my wife's car. To my surprise it only took me (only) 75
minutes (thanks YouTube). I'm not sure how much money I saved by doing
that, but suspect it was reasonably significant. Possessing and knowing
how to use tools is "fun", right? And even using them can be fun, if
done in moderation! ; ) I never plan to surrender my collection of
drywall knives! :)

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:46:19 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
<nospam.grossboj@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

>"Bill" wrote in message news:RA4bJ.241324$T_8.65219@fx48.iad...
>
>>Once you have the mud up there, you'll do what you have to do to make it
>>work, one piece of tape or three pieces. Just watch a YouTube video first.
>>In fact, you may start with one piece, and go back the next day, rip some
>>off, find that you have three after that. The single thing which immensely
>>improved the quality of my taping the most was to dunk the paper tape into
>>water first. After that it got embedded in the mud "real good"! Before I
>>started doing that, there were places where the tape dried with air gaps.
>>The single thing I remember learning (from a
>
>Those problems are all but eliminated with a tool like the TapeBuddy... no
>wetting of the paper tape is needed and you get a good even coat on the
>paper with a little practice.
Nothing like a Bazooka -- similar to the "banjo" mentioned earlier.

For a pro... yes. For the occasional handyman or homeowner taper not so
much... expense and experience issues.

On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:04:27 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
<nospam.grossboj@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

>wrote in message news:eurmmg9togqq01a73uuprf99859cdlq4mj@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:09:52 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
>><nospam.grossboj@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>>The host of these videos, Ben, is amusing and irreverent and knows what
>>>he's
>>>doing even if he's goofing around for the video. The video on the
>>>TapeBuddy
>>>also mentions prefilling and opening up the gaps to do so...
>>>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU1vcqklwoA&t=9s vs.
>
>>I can see that it would take a bit of arm muscle for the banjo. This
>>was a very good tutorial. I'd like to have seen the outside corner
>>but youtube is big enough to find it elsewhere.
>
>Look at Ben's channel. He discusses the outside corners... steel, paper,
>fastening, etc.
>
>Other channels to review are That Kilted Guy, or The Drywall Doctor. They
>all offer quality information with some variance in technique.
>
>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojyrmm5jIBI&t=309s
>
>>That's really slick. I noticed that he used the quick set chemical
>>reaction type mud in the first video and the evaporative stuff in the
>>second. Is there a reason for this (either one)?
>
>I suspect it is because the garage job was a quick and relatively small job
>and using setting mud would let him finish it in one day. Bigger jobs that
>take longer to apply each coat can wait over night for another coat.

I've always had the problem of the second (and subsequent) coats of
premix softening the previous, then having the knife catch the tape
and rip it up. I've only used the mesh and now I find out that I'm
supposed to be using the plaster-of-paris type with the mesh. It
makes sense now.

>>He made a comment about not overlapping tape on a butt joint but
>>didn't say what the alternative was. Just baking sure the tape was
>>long enough to cover the entire joint? What about ceilings/wall
>>corners? I also have wall butt joints that go 8'. Perhaps bad
>>planning but that's how it worked out.
>
>When he says "butt joint" he's referring to the 4' ends of sheets meeting
>each others, NOT corner joints at wall and ceiling intersections..they are
>corners. Generally, when you hang rock you stagger the butt joints. That
>way you shouldn't have a joint longer than 4' (or 4.5').

I was thinking that the same problem occurred with any joint without
the taper. OTOH, tapers in the corners or at the ceiling would make
life tough and you don't look down the wall and notice the corner
bumping out. Corners aren't as obvious.

I can see that now but I've put them together to save a sheet.

Good videos on YouTube. Lots of great information. I can hardly
wait to get back at it (NOT).

On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 12:49:47 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
<nospam.grossboj@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

>"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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>
>On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:46:19 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
><nospam.grossboj@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>"Bill" wrote in message news:RA4bJ.241324$T_8.65219@fx48.iad...
>>
>>>Once you have the mud up there, you'll do what you have to do to make it
>>>work, one piece of tape or three pieces. Just watch a YouTube video first.
>>>In fact, you may start with one piece, and go back the next day, rip some
>>>off, find that you have three after that. The single thing which immensely
>>>improved the quality of my taping the most was to dunk the paper tape into
>>>water first. After that it got embedded in the mud "real good"! Before I
>>>started doing that, there were places where the tape dried with air gaps.
>>>The single thing I remember learning (from a
>>
>>Those problems are all but eliminated with a tool like the TapeBuddy... no
>>wetting of the paper tape is needed and you get a good even coat on the
>>paper with a little practice.
>Nothing like a Bazooka -- similar to the "banjo" mentioned earlier.
>
>For a pro... yes. For the occasional handyman or homeowner taper not so
>much... expense and experience issues.
For sure. When I did my daughter's basement I did all the rocking
and an old german friend came over and taped and mudded it for me in
appreciation for help I gave him on his plane.