|
| Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
| National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
| to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
| the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
| issue.
| ...
<https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-registering-women-for-draft/>

--bks

On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.

So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
should be required to register with the selective service.

On 7/26/21 10:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>   |
>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>   | issue.
>
> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
> should be required to register with the selective service.

Makes sense to me and to add to that all prisons should be for all sexes
and they should be integrating those sexes... the same as the Military
and the public....

The ONLY discrimination should be according to RANK in the military and
according the "violence" in the crime the criminals are convicted for.

It looks to me like it's the Democrats that are "outraged" because the
Democrats are the ones that didn't also include FEDERAL PRISONS in the
equality.

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On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>   |
>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>   | issue.
>
> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they should be
> required to register with the selective service.

The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
requirement along with it. Conscription is immoral.

On 7/26/2021 10:32 AM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 7/26/21 10:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>   |
>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>   | issue.
>>
>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>
>
> Makes sense to me and to add to that all prisons should be for all sexes
> and they should be integrating those sexes...

Same for football, boxing and ...bathrooms?

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On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>   |
>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>   | issue.
>>
>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>
> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.

Why?

Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.

David Hartung wrote:

> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> > |
> > | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> > | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> > | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> > | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> > | issue.
>
> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
> should be required to register with the selective service.

There should be no selective service. Not only
do all military leaders sneer at having to command
draftees but we are past the age of armies waging
organized combat for years. Fighting is over in
days (Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afganistan, all of
Israels' wars) followed by armed occupation duty.
The whole enterprise of drafting unwilling troops
is expensive and unnecessary.

On 7/26/21 9:54 AM, Lee wrote:
> David Hartung wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> |
>>> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>> | issue.
>>
>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>
>
> There should be no selective service. Not only
> do all military leaders sneer at having to command
> draftees but we are past the age of armies waging
> organized combat for years. Fighting is over in
> days (Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afganistan, all of
> Israels' wars) followed by armed occupation duty.
> The whole enterprise of drafting unwilling troops
> is expensive and unnecessary.

No one has been drafted since about 1972, the current system is in place
should a draft again become necessary.

In article <98GdnTEI8K_oWGP9nZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> > |
> > | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> > | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> > | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> > | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> > | issue.
>
> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
> should be required to register with the selective service.

We need to keep the threat alive as longs as the Soviet Union
remains in Afghanistan.

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On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>   |
>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>   | issue.
>>>
>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>
>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the
>> registration requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>
> Why?
>
> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.

The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
It takes a long time to establish such procedures
so they should be in place, just in case.

Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
'winging it', passing the buck to the states
to avoid blame.

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On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>   |
>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>
>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>
>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the
>>> registration requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
>> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a
>> citizen.
>
>
>
> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
> so they should be in place, just in case.

Absoutely.

> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
> to avoid blame.

Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place
procedures into the trash, that is a Democrat lie promulgated by a
partisan media.

On 7/26/2021 11:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females,
>>>>> they should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>
>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the
>>>> registration requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
>>> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a
>>> citizen.
>>
>>
>>
>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>
> Absoutely.
>
>> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
>> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
>> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
>> to avoid blame.
>
> Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place
> procedures into the trash, that is a Democrat lie promulgated by a
> partisan media.

McEnany defends scrapping Obama's pandemic playbook, saying
it was simply replaced

yY right, replaced with Trump's policy of letting the
states take charge while relentlessly undermining
the use of masks, social distancing and most CDC
recommendations.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/us-coronavirus-update-05-15-20/h_5987b61087f263efd96fd433de24f0a4

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On 7/26/21 10:40 AM, Jonathan wrote:
> On 7/26/2021 11:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females,
>>>>>> they should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the
>>>>> registration requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
>>>> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a
>>>> citizen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>>
>> Absoutely.
>>
>>> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
>>> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
>>> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
>>> to avoid blame.
>>
>> Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place
>> procedures into the trash, that is a Democrat lie promulgated by a
>> partisan media.
>
>
> McEnany defends scrapping Obama's pandemic playbook, saying
> it was simply replaced

Likely with updated procedures.

> yY right, replaced with Trump's policy of letting the
> states take charge while relentlessly undermining
> the use of masks, social distancing and most CDC
> recommendations.

There is no evidence that masking, and shutting down the economy
prevented any disease spread. Constitutionally, the states needed to be
in charge.

On 7/26/2021 7:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>   |
>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>   | issue.
>>>
>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they should
>>> be required to register with the selective service.
>>
>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>
> Why?

No one has any right to make me die for his interests.

>
> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility to
> stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.

Complete bullshit. Now you're some kind of commie collectivist. Collectivists,
usually but not always actual commies, always want to subordinate the individual
person's rights and interests to what the collectivists consider the "greater
good." That's what made JFK a commie. "Ask not what your country can do for
you – ask what you can do for your country" is pure Marxist-Leninist bullshit.
I owe my country *nothing*. I only owe things to persons, and all I owe my
fellow citizens is respect for their right to be left alone, i.e., not to meddle
in their private affairs (so long as they refrain from meddling in mine).

Right-wingnuts with their belief in "country" are identical to commies. Once
you start with collectivism, there's nothing to distinguish you from Fidel
Castro or Mao Zedong. Move to a commie country if you want to be a collectivist.

On 7/26/2021 7:59 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 9:54 AM, Lee wrote:
>> David Hartung wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>   |
>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>   | issue.
>>>
>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>
>>
>>      There should be no selective service. Not only
>> do all military leaders sneer at having to command
>> draftees but we are past the age of armies waging
>> organized combat for years. Fighting is over in
>> days (Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afganistan, all of
>> Israels' wars) followed by armed occupation duty.
>> The whole enterprise of drafting unwilling troops
>> is expensive and unnecessary.
>
> No one has been drafted since about 1972, the current system is in place should
> a draft again become necessary.

Conscription is never necessary and is always immoral. Fuck off with your
commie collectivism.

On 7/26/2021 8:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>   |
>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>
>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they should
>>>> be required to register with the selective service.
>>>
>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility to
>> stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>
>
>
> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
> so they should be in place, just in case.

Conscription is immoral, always.

On 7/26/2021 8:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they should
>>>>> be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>
>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility to
>>> stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>
>>
>>
>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>
> Absoutely. [sic]

Conscription is always *absolutely* immoral.

>
>> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
>> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
>> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
>> to avoid blame.
>
> Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place procedures into
> the trash

He most certainly did. There were *literally* pandemic playbooks left in place
by both preceding administrations, and he threw them away. This is fully proved.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 11:20:47 -0400, Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>   |
>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>
>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>
>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the
>>> registration requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
>> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>
>
>
>The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>so they should be in place, just in case.

It doesn't take a long time to establish. That was proven by the two
world wars.

But why, in this day and age, don't women also have to register for
SS?

On 7/26/2021 8:50 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 10:40 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 11:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility
>>>>> to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>>>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>>>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>>>
>>> Absoutely.
>>>
>>>> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
>>>> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
>>>> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
>>>> to avoid blame.
>>>
>>> Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place procedures
>>> into the trash, that is a Democrat lie promulgated by a partisan media.
>>
>>
>> McEnany defends scrapping Obama's pandemic playbook, saying
>> it was simply replaced
>
> Likely with updated procedures.

Replaced with nothing but Trump downplaying the virus and exhibiting gross
incompetence.

Trump's second impeachment should have been a good six months earlier than it
was, and it would have been over the high crimes and misdemeanors of his
botched, catastrophic pandemic response. In a parliamentary system, he would
have lost a confidence vote and been removed. It is beyond dispute that he
completely botched, bungled and fucked up. That's very likely the biggest
reason he lost his reelection bid in a *free*, *fair* and *clean* election.

On 7/26/21 11:12 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 7/26/2021 8:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females,
>>>>>> they should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the
>>>>> registration requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
>>>> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a
>>>> citizen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>>
>> Absoutely. [sic]
>
> Conscription is always *absolutely* immoral.

On what grounds?

>>> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
>>> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
>>> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
>>> to avoid blame.
>>
>> Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place
>> procedures into the trash
>
> He most certainly did.  There were *literally* pandemic playbooks left
> in place by both preceding administrations, and he threw them away.
> This is fully proved.

This is claimed, not proven.

If it is proved, please provide the proof, either that or shut up.

On 7/26/21 11:11 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 7/26/2021 8:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females,
>>>>> they should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>
>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the
>>>> registration requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
>>> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a
>>> citizen.
>>
>>
>>
>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>
> Conscription is immoral, always.

So you say, but you seem to be lacking an explanation.

On 7/26/21 11:01 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 7/26/2021 7:59 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 9:54 AM, Lee wrote:
>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>   |
>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>
>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>
>>>
>>>      There should be no selective service. Not only
>>> do all military leaders sneer at having to command
>>> draftees but we are past the age of armies waging
>>> organized combat for years. Fighting is over in
>>> days (Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afganistan, all of
>>> Israels' wars) followed by armed occupation duty.
>>> The whole enterprise of drafting unwilling troops
>>> is expensive and unnecessary.
>>
>> No one has been drafted since about 1972, the current system is in
>> place should a draft again become necessary.
>
> Conscription is never necessary and is always immoral.  Fuck off with
> your commie collectivism.

Why is it immoral?

On 7/26/2021 10:21 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 11:12 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 8:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility
>>>>> to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>>>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>>>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>>>
>>> Absoutely. [sic]
>>
>> Conscription is always *absolutely* immoral.
>
> On what grounds?

Two:

1. involuntary servitude
2. commie collectivism

Both are self-evidently immoral. You know this.

I might choose to subordinate my interests to those of someone else, but no one
can morally force me to do so.

>
>>>> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
>>>> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
>>>> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
>>>> to avoid blame.
>>>
>>> Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place procedures
>>> into the trash
>>
>> He most certainly did.  There were *literally* pandemic playbooks left in
>> place by both preceding administrations, and he threw them away. This is fully
>> proved.
>
> This is claimed, not proven.

It is fully proved and is not in rational dispute.

On 7/26/2021 10:21 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 11:11 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 8:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility
>>>> to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>>
>> Conscription is immoral, always.
>
> So you say

So I have shown beyond dispute. The case is so compelling that you don't even
make an attempt at refutation.

On 7/26/2021 10:25 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 11:01 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 7:59 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 9:54 AM, Lee wrote:
>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      There should be no selective service. Not only
>>>> do all military leaders sneer at having to command
>>>> draftees but we are past the age of armies waging
>>>> organized combat for years. Fighting is over in
>>>> days (Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afganistan, all of
>>>> Israels' wars) followed by armed occupation duty.
>>>> The whole enterprise of drafting unwilling troops
>>>> is expensive and unnecessary.
>>>
>>> No one has been drafted since about 1972, the current system is in place
>>> should a draft again become necessary.
>>
>> Conscription is never necessary and is always immoral.  Fuck off with your
>> commie collectivism.
>
> Why is it immoral?

I've explained it already. Fuck off with your sealioning.

And fuck off with your commie collectivism.