"David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pvCdnd-Ruo9KaZ_8nZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to be
>>>>>>>>>> stationed
>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other than
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any other
>>>>>>>>>> women aboard
>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in the
>>>>>>>> military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214.
>>>>>>>> Secondly, even if he was, we don't know the quality of his
>>>>>>>> discharge; it could well be he received an other than honorable
>>>>>>>> discharge like Hartung. However, if he was, it was several decades
>>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope. You
>>>>>> really can't help it, can you? It's an uncontrollable reflex in you,
>>>>>> a kind of spasm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fact: you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
>>>>
>>>> You've already done that for us. *Any* involuntary separation from the
>>>> military is automatically other than honorable, and you have admitted
>>>> you were booted out.
>>>>
>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people discharged
>>>>> under "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no VA benefits,
>>>
>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under
>>> honorable conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A general
>>> discharge under other than honorable conditions usually means no
>>> benefits.
>>>
>>>> No, that's false. As the degree of "less than honorable" increases,
>>>> the number of benefits for which one is eligible decreases, so that
>>>> when the degree reaches "dishonorable," there are no benefits at all.
>>>
>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the characterization
>>> of my service?
>>
>> Lies are all he has left?
>
> One wonders how Rudy avoided service.

low IQ

On 7/29/2021 11:35 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to be
>>>>>>>>>> stationed
>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other than the
>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any other women
>>>>>>>>>> aboard
>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in the
>>>>>>>> military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214. Secondly,
>>>>>>>> even if he was, we don't know the quality of his discharge; it could
>>>>>>>> well be he received an other than honorable discharge like Hartung.
>>>>>>>> However, if he was, it was several decades ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope.  You really
>>>>>> can't help it, can you?  It's an uncontrollable reflex in you, a kind of
>>>>>> spasm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fact:  you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
>>>>
>>>> You've already done that for us.  *Any* involuntary separation from the
>>>> military is automatically other than honorable, and you have admitted you
>>>> were booted out.
>>>>
>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people discharged under
>>>>> "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no VA benefits,
>>>
>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under honorable
>>> conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A general discharge under
>>> other than honorable conditions usually means no benefits.
>>>
>>>> No, that's false.  As the degree of "less than honorable" increases, the
>>>> number of benefits for which one is eligible decreases, so that when the
>>>> degree reaches "dishonorable," there are no benefits at all.
>>>
>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the characterization of
>>> my service?
>>
>> Lies are all he has left?
>
> One wonders how Rudy avoided service.
>

I've told you. I wasn't called.

You're only sucking off scooter with that nugget of bullshit.

On 7/29/2021 11:37 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:pvCdnd-Ruo9KaZ_8nZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to be
>>>>>>>>>>> stationed
>>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other than the
>>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any other women
>>>>>>>>>>> aboard
>>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in the
>>>>>>>>> military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214. Secondly,
>>>>>>>>> even if he was, we don't know the quality of his discharge; it could
>>>>>>>>> well be he received an other than honorable discharge like Hartung.
>>>>>>>>> However, if he was, it was several decades ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope.  You really
>>>>>>> can't help it, can you?  It's an uncontrollable reflex in you, a kind of
>>>>>>> spasm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fact:  you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
>>>>>
>>>>> You've already done that for us.  *Any* involuntary separation from the
>>>>> military is automatically other than honorable, and you have admitted you
>>>>> were booted out.
>>>>>
>>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people discharged under
>>>>>> "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no VA benefits,
>>>>
>>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under honorable
>>>> conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A general discharge under
>>>> other than honorable conditions usually means no benefits.
>>>>
>>>>> No, that's false.  As the degree of "less than honorable" increases, the
>>>>> number of benefits for which one is eligible decreases, so that when the
>>>>> degree reaches "dishonorable," there are no benefits at all.
>>>>
>>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the characterization of
>>>> my service?
>>>
>>> Lies are all he has left?
>>
>> One wonders how Rudy avoided service.
>
> low IQ

My IQ is higher than yours and Hartung's summed and then doubled.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 13:35:02 -0500, David Hartung
<d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to
>>>>>>>>>> be stationed
>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other
>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any other
>>>>>>>>>> women aboard
>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in the
>>>>>>>> military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214.
>>>>>>>> Secondly, even if he was, we don't know the quality of his
>>>>>>>> discharge; it could well be he received an other than honorable
>>>>>>>> discharge like Hartung. However, if he was, it was several
>>>>>>>> decades ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope.  You
>>>>>> really can't help it, can you?  It's an uncontrollable reflex in
>>>>>> you, a kind of spasm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fact:  you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
>>>>
>>>> You've already done that for us.  *Any* involuntary separation from
>>>> the military is automatically other than honorable, and you have
>>>> admitted you were booted out.
>>>>
>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people discharged
>>>>> under "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no VA benefits,
>>>
>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under
>>> honorable conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A general
>>> discharge under other than honorable conditions usually means no
>>> benefits.
>>>
>>>> No, that's false.  As the degree of "less than honorable" increases,
>>>> the number of benefits for which one is eligible decreases, so that
>>>> when the degree reaches "dishonorable," there are no benefits at all.
>>>
>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the
>>> characterization of my service?
>>
>> Lies are all he has left?
>
>One wonders how Rudy avoided service.

Most likely, too fat, too short, morally degenerate and a sociopath.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 13:35:02 -0500, David Hartung
<d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to
>>>>>>>>>> be stationed
>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other
>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any other
>>>>>>>>>> women aboard
>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in the
>>>>>>>> military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214.
>>>>>>>> Secondly, even if he was, we don't know the quality of his
>>>>>>>> discharge; it could well be he received an other than honorable
>>>>>>>> discharge like Hartung. However, if he was, it was several
>>>>>>>> decades ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope.  You
>>>>>> really can't help it, can you?  It's an uncontrollable reflex in
>>>>>> you, a kind of spasm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fact:  you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
>>>>
>>>> You've already done that for us.  *Any* involuntary separation from
>>>> the military is automatically other than honorable, and you have
>>>> admitted you were booted out.
>>>>
>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people discharged
>>>>> under "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no VA benefits,
>>>
>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under
>>> honorable conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A general
>>> discharge under other than honorable conditions usually means no
>>> benefits.
>>>
>>>> No, that's false.  As the degree of "less than honorable" increases,
>>>> the number of benefits for which one is eligible decreases, so that
>>>> when the degree reaches "dishonorable," there are no benefits at all.
>>>
>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the
>>> characterization of my service?
>>
>> Lies are all he has left?
>
>One wonders how Rudy avoided service.

Are you kidding? LOL

On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 11:50:59 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 13:35:02 -0500, David Hartung
><d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to
>>>>>>>>>>> be stationed
>>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other
>>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any other
>>>>>>>>>>> women aboard
>>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in the
>>>>>>>>> military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214.
>>>>>>>>> Secondly, even if he was, we don't know the quality of his
>>>>>>>>> discharge; it could well be he received an other than honorable
>>>>>>>>> discharge like Hartung. However, if he was, it was several
>>>>>>>>> decades ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope.  You
>>>>>>> really can't help it, can you?  It's an uncontrollable reflex in
>>>>>>> you, a kind of spasm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fact:  you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
>>>>>
>>>>> You've already done that for us.  *Any* involuntary separation from
>>>>> the military is automatically other than honorable, and you have
>>>>> admitted you were booted out.
>>>>>
>>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people discharged
>>>>>> under "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no VA benefits,
>>>>
>>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under
>>>> honorable conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A general
>>>> discharge under other than honorable conditions usually means no
>>>> benefits.
>>>>
>>>>> No, that's false.  As the degree of "less than honorable" increases,
>>>>> the number of benefits for which one is eligible decreases, so that
>>>>> when the degree reaches "dishonorable," there are no benefits at all.
>>>>
>>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the
>>>> characterization of my service?
>>>
>>> Lies are all he has left?
>>
>>One wonders how Rudy avoided service.
>
>Are you kidding? LOL

He told his drill sergeant on the first day, "That is beyond
reasonable debate. You know this."

On his second day he was out-processing.

On 7/29/21 1:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 7/29/2021 11:35 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to
>>>>>>>>>>> be stationed
>>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other
>>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any
>>>>>>>>>>> other women aboard
>>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in
>>>>>>>>> the military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214.
>>>>>>>>> Secondly, even if he was, we don't know the quality of his
>>>>>>>>> discharge; it could well be he received an other than honorable
>>>>>>>>> discharge like Hartung. However, if he was, it was several
>>>>>>>>> decades ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope.  You
>>>>>>> really can't help it, can you?  It's an uncontrollable reflex in
>>>>>>> you, a kind of spasm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fact:  you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
>>>>>
>>>>> You've already done that for us.  *Any* involuntary separation from
>>>>> the military is automatically other than honorable, and you have
>>>>> admitted you were booted out.
>>>>>
>>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people
>>>>>> discharged under "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no
>>>>>> VA benefits,
>>>>
>>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under
>>>> honorable conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A
>>>> general discharge under other than honorable conditions usually
>>>> means no benefits.
>>>>
>>>>> No, that's false.  As the degree of "less than honorable"
>>>>> increases, the number of benefits for which one is eligible
>>>>> decreases, so that when the degree reaches "dishonorable," there
>>>>> are no benefits at all.
>>>>
>>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the
>>>> characterization of my service?
>>>
>>> Lies are all he has left?
>>
>> One wonders how Rudy avoided service.
>>
>
> I've told you.  I wasn't called.

You are a known liar, why should I believe you?

On 7/29/2021 12:04 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/29/21 1:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/29/2021 11:35 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> stationed
>>>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other than the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any other
>>>>>>>>>>>> women aboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in the
>>>>>>>>>> military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214. Secondly,
>>>>>>>>>> even if he was, we don't know the quality of his discharge; it could
>>>>>>>>>> well be he received an other than honorable discharge like Hartung.
>>>>>>>>>> However, if he was, it was several decades ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope.  You really
>>>>>>>> can't help it, can you?  It's an uncontrollable reflex in you, a kind of
>>>>>>>> spasm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fact:  you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've already done that for us.  *Any* involuntary separation from the
>>>>>> military is automatically other than honorable, and you have admitted you
>>>>>> were booted out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people discharged
>>>>>>> under "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no VA benefits,
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under honorable
>>>>> conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A general discharge
>>>>> under other than honorable conditions usually means no benefits.
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that's false.  As the degree of "less than honorable" increases, the
>>>>>> number of benefits for which one is eligible decreases, so that when the
>>>>>> degree reaches "dishonorable," there are no benefits at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the characterization of
>>>>> my service?
>>>>
>>>> Lies are all he has left?
>>>
>>> One wonders how Rudy avoided service.
>>>
>>
>> I've told you.  I wasn't called.
>
> You are a known liar,

No, *you* are a known liar, and I have proved it repeatedly. You just lied in
calling me a known liar.

> why should I believe you?

Because I don't lie.

Tell us *now* the exact reason you were booted from the air force.

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In article <a5DMI.720920$HdJ9.246861@fx09.ams1>
Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con> wrote:
>
> On 7/29/2021 12:04 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 7/29/21 1:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >> On 7/29/2021 11:35 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >>> On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stationed
> >>>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other than the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any other
> >>>>>>>>>>>> women aboard
> >>>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in the
> >>>>>>>>>> military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214. Secondly,
> >>>>>>>>>> even if he was, we don't know the quality of his discharge; it could
> >>>>>>>>>> well be he received an other than honorable discharge like Hartung.
> >>>>>>>>>> However, if he was, it was several decades ago.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope.  You really
> >>>>>>>> can't help it, can you?  It's an uncontrollable reflex in you, a kind of
> >>>>>>>> spasm.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Fact:  you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You've already done that for us.  *Any* involuntary separation from the
> >>>>>> military is automatically other than honorable, and you have admitted you
> >>>>>> were booted out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people discharged
> >>>>>>> under "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no VA benefits,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under honorable
> >>>>> conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A general discharge
> >>>>> under other than honorable conditions usually means no benefits.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> No, that's false.  As the degree of "less than honorable" increases, the
> >>>>>> number of benefits for which one is eligible decreases, so that when the
> >>>>>> degree reaches "dishonorable," there are no benefits at all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the characterization of
> >>>>> my service?
> >>>>
> >>>> Lies are all he has left?
> >>>
> >>> One wonders how Rudy avoided service.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I've told you.  I wasn't called.
> >
> > You are a known liar,
>
> Yes, I am a known liar, and I have proved it repeatedly. I just lied as
> you called me a known liar.
>
> > why should I believe you?
>
> Because I lie.
>
> I wasn't smart enough to get into the air farce.

First truthful thing you've said in this thread.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 12:13:09 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
wrote:

>On 7/29/2021 12:04 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/29/21 1:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 7/29/2021 11:35 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 7/29/21 8:43 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "David Hartung" <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:WLSdncpoHpUgJZz8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> On 7/28/21 1:57 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 11:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 12:27 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/21 11:30 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2021 9:16 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:46:07 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't speak from experience. Women weren't allowed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stationed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aboard combat ships during my time in the service and other than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Captain's wife and one combat pilot I can't recall of any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> women aboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while we were deployed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So nothing this century?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, it is not established that scooter was ever in the
>>>>>>>>>>> military. He claims he was, but we've never seen a DD-214. Secondly,
>>>>>>>>>>> even if he was, we don't know the quality of his discharge; it could
>>>>>>>>>>> well be he received an other than honorable discharge like Hartung.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, if he was, it was several decades ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet again Rudy demonstrates his ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet again you concede defeat with a lame, stale lie/trope.  You really
>>>>>>>>> can't help it, can you?  It's an uncontrollable reflex in you, a kind of
>>>>>>>>> spasm.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fact:  you received an other than (*less* than) honorable discharge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are welcome to try and prove that,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You've already done that for us.  *Any* involuntary separation from the
>>>>>>> military is automatically other than honorable, and you have admitted you
>>>>>>> were booted out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but before you do, you might want to consider that people discharged
>>>>>>>> under "Other Than Honorable Conditions" (UOTHC) get no VA benefits,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, this statement is accurate. A General discharge under honorable
>>>>>> conditions qualifies the veteran for all benefits. A general discharge
>>>>>> under other than honorable conditions usually means no benefits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, that's false.  As the degree of "less than honorable" increases, the
>>>>>>> number of benefits for which one is eligible decreases, so that when the
>>>>>>> degree reaches "dishonorable," there are no benefits at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are going to believe what you wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Out of curiosity, why are you so very interested in the characterization of
>>>>>> my service?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lies are all he has left?
>>>>
>>>> One wonders how Rudy avoided service.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've told you.  I wasn't called.
>>
>> You are a known liar,
>
>No,

Well, yes, known and proven liar.

You weren't called because you didn't qualify.

Bradley K. Sherman wrote

>
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.
> | ...
> <https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-register
> ing-women-for-draft/>
>
> --bks
>
>

Jonathan wrote

>
> McEnany defends scrapping Obama's pandemic playbook, saying
> it was simply replaced
>
> yY right, replaced with Trump's policy of letting the
> states take charge while relentlessly undermining
> the use of masks, social distancing and most CDC
> recommendations.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/us-coronavirus-update-05-15-20/h_5987b61
> 087f263efd96fd433de24f0a4

If Biden cautions Americans to avoid suicide, we the Trump loyalists pledge
to immediately kill ourselves out of spite.

In article <sebh2s$j6a$13@news.dns-netz.com>,
Dev <tritekss3@gmail.com> wrote:

> If Biden cautions Americans to avoid suicide, we the Trump loyalists pledge
> to immediately kill ourselves out of spite.

Glob

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 21:31:10 +0300, Kurt Nicklas
<kurtnicklas@gmail.com> wrote:

>>There will never be a need for a draft for actual defense of the country. The
>>only reason for one would be if not enough people volunteer to go fight in some
>>ill-advised, doomed-to-fail foreign adventure like Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan.
>
>Oh, my! Listen to military expert Oberleutnant Rudolf von
>Clauswitz-Kanoza!

I guess he couldn't reach those history books dealing with the mid
twentieth century.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 10:19:44 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
wrote:

>You really are willfully and *aggressively* stupid.

Says the stupid dwarf who claims, "In any case, the military hasn't
been used to defend the nation since 1865."

Nyuk nyuk nyuk

What an ignorant little dwarf you are!

Bradley K. Sherman wrote

>
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.
> | ...
> <https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-register
> ing-women-for-draft/>
>
> --bks
>
>

Bradley K. Sherman wrote

>
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.
> | ...
> <https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-register
> ing-women-for-draft/>
>
> --bks
>
>

Bradley K. Sherman wrote

>
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.
> | ...
> <https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-register
> ing-women-for-draft/>
>
> --bks
>
>

Bradley K. Sherman wrote

>
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.
> | ...
> <https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-register
> ing-women-for-draft/>
>
> --bks
>
>

Bradley K. Sherman wrote

>
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.
> | ...
> <https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-register
> ing-women-for-draft/>
>
> --bks
>
>

Bradley K. Sherman wrote

>
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.
> | ...
> <https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-register
> ing-women-for-draft/>
>
> --bks
>
>

On 7/26/2021 6:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.
> | ...

Republiscums/QAnon oppose it because they're stuck in the 17th century.

Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>   |
>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>   | issue.
>>
>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>
> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.

I would expect nothing less from a person who wants everything without
doing anything. You are a leech . No, you are an ignorant leech.

In article <sfs9rf$cp8$1@dont-email.me>, Ken <Ken@invalid.com>
wrote:

> > The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
> > requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>
> I would expect nothing less from a person who wants everything without
> doing anything. You are a leech . No, you are an ignorant leech.

Conscription doesn't work with a modern technological army. The
military doesn't want it. The only reason for draft registration
is to threaten the Soviet Union that we will conscript a large
enough army to chase them out of Afghanistan.

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In article <chine.bleu-C13F1D.21035921082021@reader.eternal-
september.org>
Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> In article <sfs9rf$cp8$1@dont-email.me>, Ken <Ken@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
> > > requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
> >
> > I would expect nothing less from a person who wants everything without
> > doing anything. You are a leech . No, you are an ignorant leech.
>
> Conscription doesn't work with a modern technological army. The
> military doesn't want it. The only reason for draft registration
> is to threaten the Soviet Union that we will conscript a large
> enough army to chase them out of Afghanistan.

The Russians have already wasted a lot of blood there and gotten
nothing for it. Putin won't make that mistake again.

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