On 7/26/2021 10:24 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 11:00 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 7:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they should
>>>>> be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>
>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> No one has any right to make me die for his interests.
>
> No, but your government does have authority to cal upon you to defend the nation.
>
>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility to
>>> stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>
>> Complete bullshit.  Now you're some kind of commie collectivist.
>> Collectivists, usually but not always actual commies, always want to
>> subordinate the individual person's rights and interests to what the
>> collectivists consider the "greater good."  That's what made JFK a commie.
>> "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your
>> country" is pure Marxist-Leninist bullshit. I owe my country *nothing*.  I
>> only owe things to persons, and all I owe my fellow citizens is respect for
>> their right to be left alone, i.e., not to meddle in their private affairs (so
>> long as they refrain from meddling in mine).
>>
>> Right-wingnuts with their belief in "country" are identical to commies. Once
>> you start with collectivism, there's nothing to distinguish you from Fidel
>> Castro or Mao Zedong.  Move to a commie country if you want to be a collectivist.
>
> Do yourself a favor, find some country which will allow you to be a citizen
> without responsibility, and move there.

My responsibility is to fellow citizens, not some bullshit commie collectivist
notion like "country." I have no obligation to country.

> As an American citizen, you are
> obligated (if called upon) to stand in defense of the nation.

No, I'm not — not morally. In any case, there hasn't been a war since 1865 that
was in defense of the nation.

On 7/26/2021 10:34 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 12:26 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 10:21 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 11:12 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 8:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>>>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
>>>>>>> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>>>>>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>>>>>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Absoutely. [sic]
>>>>
>>>> Conscription is always *absolutely* immoral.
>>>
>>> On what grounds?
>>
>> Two:
>>
>> 1.  involuntary servitude
>> 2.  commie collectivism
>>
>> Both are self-evidently immoral.
>
> You have an interesting view of the world.

That was completely /non sequitur/.

>
> From where I sit,

Fuck off with your bullshit trope. Stop writing that. It's stale and lame, and
proves your stupidity. Also stop writing "at least as much as" and "no more so
than." Those are equally inane lie/tropes.

Jonathan wrote

>
> McEnany defends scrapping Obama's pandemic playbook, saying
> it was simply replaced
>
> yY right, replaced with Trump's policy of letting the
> states take charge while relentlessly undermining
> the use of masks, social distancing and most CDC
> recommendations.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/us-coronavirus-update-05-15-20/h_5987b61
> 087f263efd96fd433de24f0a4

If Biden cautions Americans to avoid suicide, we the Trump loyalists pledge
to immediately kill ourselves out of spite.

Bradley K. Sherman wrote

>
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
> | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
> | issue.
> | ...
> <https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-register
> ing-women-for-draft/>
>
> --bks
>
>

On 7/26/2021 4:07 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 12:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 10:24 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 11:00 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> No one has any right to make me die for his interests.
>>>
>>> No, but your government does have authority to cal upon you to defend the
>>> nation.
>>>
>>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility
>>>>> to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>>>
>>>> Complete bullshit.  Now you're some kind of commie collectivist.
>>>> Collectivists, usually but not always actual commies, always want to
>>>> subordinate the individual person's rights and interests to what the
>>>> collectivists consider the "greater good."  That's what made JFK a commie.
>>>> "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your
>>>> country" is pure Marxist-Leninist bullshit. I owe my country *nothing*.  I
>>>> only owe things to persons, and all I owe my fellow citizens is respect for
>>>> their right to be left alone, i.e., not to meddle in their private affairs
>>>> (so long as they refrain from meddling in mine).
>>>>
>>>> Right-wingnuts with their belief in "country" are identical to commies. Once
>>>> you start with collectivism, there's nothing to distinguish you from Fidel
>>>> Castro or Mao Zedong.  Move to a commie country if you want to be a
>>>> collectivist.
>>>
>>> Do yourself a favor, find some country which will allow you to be a citizen
>>> without responsibility, and move there.
>>
>> My responsibility is to fellow citizens, not some bullshit commie collectivist
>> notion like "country."  I have no obligation to country.
>>
>>> As an American citizen, you are obligated (if called upon) to stand in
>>> defense of the nation.
>>
>> No, I'm not — not morally.  In any case, there hasn't been a war since 1865
>> that was in defense of the nation.
>
> Then do everyone a favor, move.

No, you commie pig. *You* do everyone a favor and move to a more collectivist
country as you would like us to be. We don't need or want commie collectivists
like you in this country.

On 7/26/2021 4:07 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 12:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 10:24 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 11:00 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> No one has any right to make me die for his interests.
>>>
>>> No, but your government does have authority to cal upon you to defend the
>>> nation.
>>>
>>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility
>>>>> to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>>>
>>>> Complete bullshit.  Now you're some kind of commie collectivist.
>>>> Collectivists, usually but not always actual commies, always want to
>>>> subordinate the individual person's rights and interests to what the
>>>> collectivists consider the "greater good."  That's what made JFK a commie.
>>>> "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your
>>>> country" is pure Marxist-Leninist bullshit. I owe my country *nothing*.  I
>>>> only owe things to persons, and all I owe my fellow citizens is respect for
>>>> their right to be left alone, i.e., not to meddle in their private affairs
>>>> (so long as they refrain from meddling in mine).
>>>>
>>>> Right-wingnuts with their belief in "country" are identical to commies. Once
>>>> you start with collectivism, there's nothing to distinguish you from Fidel
>>>> Castro or Mao Zedong.  Move to a commie country if you want to be a
>>>> collectivist.
>>>
>>> Do yourself a favor, find some country which will allow you to be a citizen
>>> without responsibility, and move there.
>>
>> My responsibility is to fellow citizens, not some bullshit commie collectivist
>> notion like "country."  I have no obligation to country.
>>
>>> As an American citizen, you are obligated (if called upon) to stand in
>>> defense of the nation.
>>
>> No, I'm not — not morally.  In any case, there hasn't been a war since 1865
>> that was in defense of the nation.
>
> Then do everyone a favor, move.

The comma is wrong, as usual.

On 7/26/2021 4:45 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 6:29 PM, Bill Flett wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 4:07 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 12:35 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 10:24 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 11:00 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>>>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one has any right to make me die for his interests.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, but your government does have authority to cal upon you to defend the
>>>>> nation.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
>>>>>>> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Complete bullshit.  Now you're some kind of commie collectivist.
>>>>>> Collectivists, usually but not always actual commies, always want to
>>>>>> subordinate the individual person's rights and interests to what the
>>>>>> collectivists consider the "greater good."  That's what made JFK a commie.
>>>>>> "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your
>>>>>> country" is pure Marxist-Leninist bullshit. I owe my country *nothing*.  I
>>>>>> only owe things to persons, and all I owe my fellow citizens is respect
>>>>>> for their right to be left alone, i.e., not to meddle in their private
>>>>>> affairs (so long as they refrain from meddling in mine).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right-wingnuts with their belief in "country" are identical to commies.
>>>>>> Once you start with collectivism, there's nothing to distinguish you from
>>>>>> Fidel Castro or Mao Zedong.  Move to a commie country if you want to be a
>>>>>> collectivist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do yourself a favor, find some country which will allow you to be a citizen
>>>>> without responsibility, and move there.
>>>>
>>>> My responsibility is to fellow citizens, not some bullshit commie
>>>> collectivist notion like "country."  I have no obligation to country.
>>>>
>>>>> As an American citizen, you are obligated (if called upon) to stand in
>>>>> defense of the nation.
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm not — not morally.  In any case, there hasn't been a war since 1865
>>>> that was in defense of the nation.
>>>
>>> Then do everyone a favor, move.
>>
>> The comma is wrong, as usual.
>
> Your grammar flames are

nonexistent. Punctuation isn't grammar.

You are illiterate.

David Hartung <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote in news:vI-
dnbl1Yd9JRGP9nZ2dnUU7-LOdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 7/26/21 10:40 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 11:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females,
>>>>>>> they should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the
>>>>>> registration requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a
>>>>> responsibility to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a
>>>>> citizen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>>>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>>>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>>>
>>> Absoutely.
>>>
>>>> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
>>>> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
>>>> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
>>>> to avoid blame.
>>>
>>> Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place
>>> procedures into the trash, that is a Democrat lie promulgated by a
>>> partisan media.
>>
>>
>> McEnany defends scrapping Obama's pandemic playbook, saying
>> it was simply replaced
>
> Likely with updated procedures.
>
>> yY right, replaced with Trump's policy of letting the
>> states take charge while relentlessly undermining
>> the use of masks, social distancing and most CDC
>> recommendations.
>
> There is no evidence that masking, and shutting down the economy
> prevented any disease spread. Constitutionally, the states needed to be
> in charge.
>

Where was that "states need to be in charge"
when Trump was SUING states having policies that
he disagreed with?

From clean air standards to election procedures
to private prison bans Trump has no hesitation in
suing states he doesn't like.

On 7/26/2021 8:50 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 10:40 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 11:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility
>>>>> to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>>>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>>>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>>>
>>> Absoutely.
>>>
>>>> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
>>>> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
>>>> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
>>>> to avoid blame.
>>>
>>> Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place procedures
>>> into the trash, that is a Democrat lie promulgated by a partisan media.
>>
>>
>> McEnany defends scrapping Obama's pandemic playbook, saying
>> it was simply replaced
>
> Likely with updated procedures.
>
>> yY right, replaced with Trump's policy of letting the
>> states take charge while relentlessly undermining
>> the use of masks, social distancing and most CDC
>> recommendations.
>
> There is no evidence that masking, and shutting down the economy prevented any
> disease spread.

There is evidence that it did.

> Constitutionally, the states needed to be in charge.

The states were in charge, you stupid fat fuck.

On 7/26/2021 8:50 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/26/21 10:40 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>> On 7/26/2021 11:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 10:20 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2021 10:44 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 9:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2021 7:23 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/21 8:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>>   | to register for the draft, and two defense hawks opposed
>>>>>>>>   | the Pentagon bill in the Armed Services Committee over the
>>>>>>>>   | issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So long as all military positions and jobs are open to females, they
>>>>>>> should be required to register with the selective service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "selective service" system should be abolished and the registration
>>>>>> requirement along with it.  Conscription is immoral.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Citizenship brings with it responsibility, among which is a responsibility
>>>>> to stand in defense of the entity of which one is a citizen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The draft is a responsible precaution in case of a war.
>>>> It takes a long time to establish such procedures
>>>> so they should be in place, just in case.
>>>
>>> Absoutely.
>>>
>>>> Like having a pandemic response in place, you know
>>>> the one Trump tossed in the trash in favor of
>>>> 'winging it', passing the buck to the states
>>>> to avoid blame.
>>>
>>> Trump left office 6 months ago, and no, he did not toss in place procedures
>>> into the trash, that is a Democrat lie promulgated by a partisan media.
>>
>>
>> McEnany defends scrapping Obama's pandemic playbook, saying
>> it was simply replaced
>
> Likely with updated procedures.
>
>> yY right, replaced with Trump's policy of letting the
>> states take charge while relentlessly undermining
>> the use of masks, social distancing and most CDC
>> recommendations.
>
> There is no evidence that masking, and shutting down the economy prevented any
> disease spread.

The comma is wrong.

On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> |
> | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
> | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
> | to register for the draft

I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
a single reason to exempt females from the draft
rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.

If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.

On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>   |
>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>   | to register for the draft
>
>   I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>   a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>   rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>
>   If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.

Makes sense.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:30:57 -0500, David Hartung
<d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
>> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>   |
>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>   | to register for the draft
>>
>>   I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>>   a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>>   rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>>
>>   If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.
>
>Makes sense.

We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.

We also need to enforce our borders and prevent entry by persons
breaking our laws by entering illegally. This is also a part of
defending our nation.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:26:10 +0300, Kurt Nicklas
<kurtnicklas@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:30:57 -0500, David Hartung
><d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
>>> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>   |
>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>   | to register for the draft
>>>
>>>   I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>>>   a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>>>   rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>>>
>>>   If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.
>>
>>Makes sense.
>
>We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
>forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>
>We also need to enforce our borders and prevent entry by persons
>breaking our laws by entering illegally. This is also a part of
>defending our nation.

There is no reason to have a draft that excludes women. Period.

On 7/27/21 9:26 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:30:57 -0500, David Hartung
> <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
>>> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>   |
>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>   | to register for the draft
>>>
>>>   I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>>>   a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>>>   rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>>>
>>>   If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.
>>
>> Makes sense.
>
> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>
> We also need to enforce our borders and prevent entry by persons
> breaking our laws by entering illegally. This is also a part of
> defending our nation.

Perhaps people such as Rudy should be drafted and sent to the border? :)

On 7/27/21 9:42 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:26:10 +0300, Kurt Nicklas
> <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:30:57 -0500, David Hartung
>> <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
>>>> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>   |
>>>>>   | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>   | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>   | to register for the draft
>>>>
>>>>   I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>>>>   a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>>>>   rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>>>>
>>>>   If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.
>>>
>>> Makes sense.
>>
>> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
>> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>>
>> We also need to enforce our borders and prevent entry by persons
>> breaking our laws by entering illegally. This is also a part of
>> defending our nation.
>
> There is no reason to have a draft that excludes women. Period.

I disagree, but only to a point.

I believe that to put women into combat positions is wrong, but so long
as we are going to send women into combat, women should be eligible to
be drafted.

On 7/27/2021 8:22 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/27/21 9:26 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:30:57 -0500, David Hartung
>> <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
>>>> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>    |
>>>>>    | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>    | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>    | to register for the draft
>>>>
>>>>     I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>>>>     a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>>>>     rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>>>>
>>>>     If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.
>>>
>>> Makes sense.
>>
>> We need to *SLURRRPPPP*!
>
> *SLURRRPPPPP*!
>

Get the fuck out of here, blowjob.

On 7/27/2021 8:26 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.

No we don't. We need the ability to raise (and supply) a national
military force. That's been done on a voluntary basis since 1976.
Rather than forced conscription, we could get more volunteers by
offering better financial incentives and other perks.

On 7/27/2021 8:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/27/21 9:42 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:26:10 +0300, Kurt Nicklas
>> <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:30:57 -0500, David Hartung
>>> <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
>>>>> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>    |
>>>>>>    | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>    | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>    | to register for the draft
>>>>>
>>>>>     I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>>>>>     a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>>>>>     rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>>>>>
>>>>>     If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.
>>>>
>>>> Makes sense.
>>>
>>> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
>>> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>>>
>>> We also need to enforce our borders and prevent entry by persons
>>> breaking our laws by entering illegally. This is also a part of
>>> defending our nation.
>>
>> There is no reason to have a draft that excludes women. Period.
>
> I disagree, but only to a point.
>
> I believe that to put women into combat positions is wrong, but so long as we
> are going to send women into combat, women should be eligible to be drafted.

Your belief is irrational and patriarchal and stupid and wrong.

On 7/27/2021 8:51 AM, F. Mark Hansen <fmhlaw@comcast.net>, sleazy rent-skip
chaser, possible polygamist and irrational gun nut, lied:

> On 7/27/2021 8:26 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
>> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>
> No we don't. We need the ability to raise (and supply) a national
> military force. That's been done on a voluntary basis since 1976.

Since 1973, Hansen, you stupid cocksucker.

The nation needs defending mostly against seditious cocksuckers like you,
Hansen. In any case, the military hasn't been used to defend the nation since 1865.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 09:05:23 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
wrote:

>On 7/27/2021 8:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/27/21 9:42 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:26:10 +0300, Kurt Nicklas
>>> <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:30:57 -0500, David Hartung
>>>> <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>    |
>>>>>>>    | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>    | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>    | to register for the draft
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>>>>>>     a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>>>>>>     rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
>>>> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>>>>
>>>> We also need to enforce our borders and prevent entry by persons
>>>> breaking our laws by entering illegally. This is also a part of
>>>> defending our nation.
>>>
>>> There is no reason to have a draft that excludes women. Period.
>>
>> I disagree, but only to a point.
>>
>> I believe that to put women into combat positions is wrong, but so long as we
>> are going to send women into combat, women should be eligible to be drafted.
>
>Your belief is irrational and patriarchal and stupid and wrong.

Mere gainsaying is not an argument.

The Gnome may, in fact, understand this.

At any rate, he is unable to provide a counter argument.

This is beyond debate.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 09:07:54 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
wrote:

>On 7/27/2021 8:51 AM, F. Mark Hansen <fmhlaw@comcast.net>, sleazy rent-skip
>chaser, possible polygamist and irrational gun nut, lied:
>
>> On 7/27/2021 8:26 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
>>> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>>
>> No we don't. We need the ability to raise (and supply) a national
>> military force. That's been done on a voluntary basis since 1976.
>
>Since 1973, Hansen, you stupid cocksucker.
>
>The nation needs defending mostly against seditious cocksuckers like you,
>Hansen. In any case, the military hasn't been used to defend the nation since 1865.

The Gnome never served in the military. He knows nothing about it.

This is obvious.

On 7/27/2021 8:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 7/27/21 9:42 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:26:10 +0300, Kurt Nicklas
>> <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:30:57 -0500, David Hartung
>>> <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
>>>>> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>    |
>>>>>>    | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>    | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>    | to register for the draft
>>>>>
>>>>>     I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>>>>>     a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>>>>>     rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>>>>>
>>>>>     If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.
>>>>
>>>> Makes sense.
>>>
>>> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
>>> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>>>
>>> We also need to enforce our borders and prevent entry by persons
>>> breaking our laws by entering illegally. This is also a part of
>>> defending our nation.
>>
>> There is no reason to have a draft that excludes women. Period.
>
> I disagree, but only to a point.
>
> I believe that to put women into combat positions is wrong, but so long as we
> are going to send women into combat, women should be eligible to be drafted.

This is Hartung's "traditional values" at its worst. Hartung wants a
patriarchal society, one in which men hold all the power. Hartung wants to
revert to a society where women weren't only powerless but were the property of
men and had no rights. All of Hartung's political and social values are bad and
wrong.

Sorry, but we're not going back to that society.

On 7/27/2021 10:07 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 7/27/2021 Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 7/27/2021 8:26 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
>>> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>>
>> No we don't. We need the ability to raise (and supply) a national
>> military force. That's been done on a voluntary basis since 1976.
>
> Since 1973

'73 or '76 is not important to the main point, it's been a very
long time and the U.S. military doesn't need the ability to draft
people, it can use financial incentives to raise as large of a
military that the nation needs.

On 7/27/21 11:05 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 7/27/2021 8:30 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 7/27/21 9:42 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:26:10 +0300, Kurt Nicklas
>>> <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:30:57 -0500, David Hartung
>>>> <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/26/21 11:49 PM, Mainspring wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/26/2021 09:39 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>    |
>>>>>>>    | Conservatives are expressing outrage about a pending Senate
>>>>>>>    | National Defense Authorization Act that would require women
>>>>>>>    | to register for the draft
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I can agree with this proposed rule change - not
>>>>>>     a single reason to exempt females from the draft
>>>>>>     rules. Fair is fair - equal is equal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     If you don't like it, DROP registration entirely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> We need to have the ability to draft men and women into the armed
>>>> forces as part of our capability of defending this nation.
>>>>
>>>> We also need to enforce our borders and prevent entry by persons
>>>> breaking our laws by entering illegally. This is also a part of
>>>> defending our nation.
>>>
>>> There is no reason to have a draft that excludes women. Period.
>>
>> I disagree, but only to a point.
>>
>> I believe that to put women into combat positions is wrong, but so
>> long as we are going to send women into combat, women should be
>> eligible to be drafted.
>
> Your belief is irrational and patriarchal and stupid and wrong.

Why is your opinion of importance to me?