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by: News - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 16:07 UTC

Bringing disrepute to the sport?

Mercs couldn't crash Red Bulls out of the points (again)?

Or just butt-hurt VER got more half-points and HAM had his lead lopped?

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a37432300/lewis-hamilton-utters-10-words-promoters-hate/

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by: Mark - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 16:18 UTC

News <News@group.name> wrote:
>
> Bringing disrepute to the sport?

I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the promoters,
but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.

The other comments I'll ignore.

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by: News - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 17:22 UTC

On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>
>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>
> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the promoters,
> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>
> The other comments I'll ignore.
>

Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty don't
want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but undriveable in
the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.

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by: Heron - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 17:27 UTC

On 9/2/2021 12:22 PM, News wrote:
> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>
>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the promoters,
>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>
>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>
>
>
> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty don't
> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but undriveable in
> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.

Nah, they just need mud flaps.

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by: Alan Baker - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 18:56 UTC

On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>
>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the promoters,
>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>
>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>
>
>
> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty don't
> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but undriveable in
> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.

No.

The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility that you
can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.

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by: News - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 19:22 UTC

On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>
>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the promoters,
>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>
>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>
> No.
>
> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility that you
> can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.

Tell Norris.

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by: Alan Baker - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 19:36 UTC

On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>
>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the
>>>> promoters,
>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>
>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>
>> No.
>>
>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility that you
>> can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>
>
> Tell Norris.

Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY conditions
faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.

Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose to go.

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by: texas gate - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 19:43 UTC

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 1:36:49 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> Sorry,

Dont be sorry.
Sorry is for pussys.
You fucking pussy.

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by: texas gate - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 19:45 UTC

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 12:56:34 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> No.

Yes.

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by: News - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 20:01 UTC

On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the
>>>>> promoters,
>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>>>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility that you
>>> can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>
>>
>> Tell Norris.
>
> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY conditions
> faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>
> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose to go.

Don't they all.

What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?

"If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say 'then
slow down'.

"But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said to any
Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is completely safe and
this one is extremely dangerous but two seconds a lap quicker', there
would be no discussion."

Likewise in qualifying.

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by: Alan Baker - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 20:25 UTC

On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the
>>>>>> promoters,
>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>>>>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility that you
>>>> can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tell Norris.
>>
>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>>
>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose to go.
>
>
> Don't they all.

Yup. That's the whole point of it.

>
> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>
> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say 'then
> slow down'.
>
> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said to any
> Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is completely safe and
> this one is extremely dangerous but two seconds a lap quicker', there
> would be no discussion."
>
> Likewise in qualifying.

You are completely missing the point.

You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!" and you
ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.

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by: News - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 20:30 UTC

On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the
>>>>>>> promoters,
>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>>>>>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility that
>>>>> you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tell Norris.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>>>
>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose to go.
>>
>>
>> Don't they all.
>
> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
>
>>
>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>
>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>> 'then slow down'.
>>
>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said to
>> any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is completely
>> safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two seconds a lap
>> quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>
>> Likewise in qualifying.
>
> You are completely missing the point.
>
> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!" and you
> ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.

Yet none of them 'raced', did they?

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by: Alan Baker - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 20:45 UTC

On 2021-09-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
> On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the
>>>>>>>> promoters,
>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>>>>>>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility that
>>>>>> you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell Norris.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>>>>
>>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose to go.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't they all.
>>
>> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
>>
>>>
>>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>
>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>>> 'then slow down'.
>>>
>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said to
>>> any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is completely
>>> safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two seconds a lap
>>> quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>
>>> Likewise in qualifying.
>>
>> You are completely missing the point.
>>
>> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!" and
>> you ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.
>
> Yet none of them 'raced', did they?
>

Correct.

But the problem was clearly stated:

The inability to SEE the car ahead.

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by: News - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 20:59 UTC

On 9/2/2021 4:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the
>>>>>>>>> promoters,
>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>> Liberty don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all
>>>>>>>> but undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the
>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility that
>>>>>>> you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell Norris.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>>>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>>>>>
>>>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose to
>>>>> go.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't they all.
>>>
>>> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>>
>>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>>>> 'then slow down'.
>>>>
>>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said to
>>>> any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is completely
>>>> safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two seconds a lap
>>>> quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>>
>>>> Likewise in qualifying.
>>>
>>> You are completely missing the point.
>>>
>>> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!" and
>>> you ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.
>>
>> Yet none of them 'raced', did they?
>>
>
> Correct.
>
> But the problem was clearly stated:
>
> The inability to SEE the car ahead.

Restating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but undriveable
in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.

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by: Alan Baker - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 21:02 UTC

On 2021-09-02 1:59 p.m., News wrote:
> On 9/2/2021 4:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the
>>>>>>>>>> promoters,
>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is
>>>>>>>>> all but undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in
>>>>>>>>> the world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility that
>>>>>>>> you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell Norris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>>>>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose
>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't they all.
>>>>
>>>> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>>>
>>>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>>>>> 'then slow down'.
>>>>>
>>>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
>>>>> to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
>>>>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two seconds
>>>>> a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>>>
>>>>> Likewise in qualifying.
>>>>
>>>> You are completely missing the point.
>>>>
>>>> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!" and
>>>> you ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.
>>>
>>> Yet none of them 'raced', did they?
>>>
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>> But the problem was clearly stated:
>>
>> The inability to SEE the car ahead.
>
>
> Restating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but undriveable
> in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.

Restating an obvious falsehood doesn't make it any truer.

It wasn't an issue with the cars at all:

It was with the DRIVERS ABILITY TO SEE FAR ENOUGH that was the entire
problem.

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by: News - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 21:18 UTC

On 9/2/2021 5:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-02 1:59 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 9/2/2021 4:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the
>>>>>>>>>>> promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is
>>>>>>>>>> all but undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in
>>>>>>>>>> the world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility
>>>>>>>>> that you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tell Norris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>>>>>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose
>>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't they all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>>>>>> 'then slow down'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
>>>>>> to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
>>>>>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
>>>>>> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Likewise in qualifying.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are completely missing the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!"
>>>>> and you ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.
>>>>
>>>> Yet none of them 'raced', did they?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> But the problem was clearly stated:
>>>
>>> The inability to SEE the car ahead.
>>
>>
>> Restating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>
> Restating an obvious falsehood doesn't make it any truer.
>
> It wasn't an issue with the cars at all:
>
> It was with the DRIVERS ABILITY TO SEE FAR ENOUGH that was the entire
> problem.

"Obvious falsehood"? The obvious cluelesslessness is yours.

Can't race because you can't see? Drive from the pole, or drive slower.

But, what did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?

"If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
'then slow down'.

"But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."

Likewise qualifying, and the race itself. The analogy fits.

The present crop of F1 drivers could have protested, done as GPDA did in
1969, and on several subsequent occasions.

The commercial implications, team and peer pressure mooted any protest.

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by: Alan Baker - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 21:26 UTC

On 2021-09-02 2:18 p.m., News wrote:
> On 9/2/2021 5:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-02 1:59 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2021 4:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is
>>>>>>>>>>> all but undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room
>>>>>>>>>>> in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility
>>>>>>>>>> that you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tell Norris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>>>>>>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose
>>>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't they all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>>>>>>> 'then slow down'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
>>>>>>> to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
>>>>>>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
>>>>>>> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Likewise in qualifying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are completely missing the point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!"
>>>>>> and you ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet none of them 'raced', did they?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Correct.
>>>>
>>>> But the problem was clearly stated:
>>>>
>>>> The inability to SEE the car ahead.
>>>
>>>
>>> Restating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>
>> Restating an obvious falsehood doesn't make it any truer.
>>
>> It wasn't an issue with the cars at all:
>>
>> It was with the DRIVERS ABILITY TO SEE FAR ENOUGH that was the entire
>> problem.
>
>
> "Obvious falsehood"? The obvious cluelesslessness is yours.
>
> Can't race because you can't see? Drive from the pole, or drive slower.

But that means a race where only one driver can actually race.

But even so, it disproves your claim that it was about the unsuitability
of the cars.

>
> But, what did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>
> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
> 'then slow down'.
>
> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
> to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>
> Likewise qualifying, and the race itself. The analogy fits.
>
> The present crop of F1 drivers could have protested, done as GPDA did in
> 1969, and on several subsequent occasions.
>
> The commercial implications, team and peer pressure mooted any protest.

And it still has nothing to do with the cars being "undriveable".

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by: texas gate - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 04:27 UTC

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 3:26:15 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-02 2:18 p.m., News wrote:
> > On 9/2/2021 5:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-09-02 1:59 p.m., News wrote:
> >>> On 9/2/2021 4:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>> On 2021-09-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> News <Ne...@group.name> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the promoters,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
> >>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is
> >>>>>>>>>>> all but undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room
> >>>>>>>>>>> in the world.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility
> >>>>>>>>>> that you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tell Norris.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
> >>>>>>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose
> >>>>>>>> to go.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Don't they all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
> >>>>>>> 'then slow down'.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
> >>>>>>> to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
> >>>>>>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
> >>>>>>> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Likewise in qualifying.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You are completely missing the point.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!"
> >>>>>> and you ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yet none of them 'raced', did they?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Correct.
> >>>>
> >>>> But the problem was clearly stated:
> >>>>
> >>>> The inability to SEE the car ahead.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Restating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
> >>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
> >>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
> >>
> >> Restating an obvious falsehood doesn't make it any truer.
> >>
> >> It wasn't an issue with the cars at all:
> >>
> >> It was with the DRIVERS ABILITY TO SEE FAR ENOUGH that was the entire
> >> problem.
> >
> >
> > "Obvious falsehood"? The obvious cluelesslessness is yours.
> >
> > Can't race because you can't see? Drive from the pole, or drive slower.
> But that means a race where only one driver can actually race.
>
> But even so, it disproves your claim that it was about the unsuitability
> of the cars.
> >
> > But, what did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
> >
> > "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
> > 'then slow down'.
> >
> > "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
> > to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
> > completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
> > seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
> >
> > Likewise qualifying, and the race itself. The analogy fits.
> >
> > The present crop of F1 drivers could have protested, done as GPDA did in
> > 1969, and on several subsequent occasions.
> >
> > The commercial implications, team and peer pressure mooted any protest.
> And it still has nothing to do with the cars being "undriveable".

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by: Alan Baker - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 04:30 UTC

On 2021-09-02 9:27 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 3:26:15 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-02 2:18 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2021 5:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:59 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/2021 4:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <Ne...@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all but undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility
>>>>>>>>>>>> that you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tell Norris.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>>>>>>>>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he chose
>>>>>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't they all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>>>>>>>>> 'then slow down'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
>>>>>>>>> to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
>>>>>>>>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
>>>>>>>>> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Likewise in qualifying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are completely missing the point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!"
>>>>>>>> and you ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet none of them 'raced', did they?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the problem was clearly stated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The inability to SEE the car ahead.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Restating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>>>>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Restating an obvious falsehood doesn't make it any truer.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't an issue with the cars at all:
>>>>
>>>> It was with the DRIVERS ABILITY TO SEE FAR ENOUGH that was the entire
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Obvious falsehood"? The obvious cluelesslessness is yours.
>>>
>>> Can't race because you can't see? Drive from the pole, or drive slower.
>> But that means a race where only one driver can actually race.
>>
>> But even so, it disproves your claim that it was about the unsuitability
>> of the cars.
>>>
>>> But, what did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>
>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>>> 'then slow down'.
>>>
>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
>>> to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
>>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
>>> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>
>>> Likewise qualifying, and the race itself. The analogy fits.
>>>
>>> The present crop of F1 drivers could have protested, done as GPDA did in
>>> 1969, and on several subsequent occasions.
>>>
>>> The commercial implications, team and peer pressure mooted any protest.
>> And it still has nothing to do with the cars being "undriveable".
>
> fuck off you ass hole pussy fart piece of shit cunt hole moron
> cunt face idiot mother fucking cock sucking loser
>

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by: Martin Harran - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 07:58 UTC

On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

>On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>
>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the promoters,
>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>
>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>
>
>
>Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty don't
>want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but undriveable in
>the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.

How many F1 races have been red flagged and not restarted due to wet
track?

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On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 1:59:13 AM UTC-6, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News <Ne...@Group.Name> wrote:
>
> >On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
> >> News <Ne...@group.name> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
> >>
> >> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the promoters,
> >> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
> >>
> >> The other comments I'll ignore.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty don't
> >want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but undriveable in
> >the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not restarted due to wet
> track?

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by: News - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 14:25 UTC

On 9/3/2021 3:58 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>
>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the promoters,
>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>
>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty don't
>> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but undriveable in
>> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>
> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not restarted due to wet
> track?
>

Fewer than should have been. Liberty and FIA should be ashamed.

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by: News - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 14:30 UTC

On 9/2/2021 5:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-02 2:18 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 9/2/2021 5:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-02 1:59 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/2021 4:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is
>>>>>>>>>>>> all but undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility
>>>>>>>>>>> that you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tell Norris.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>>>>>>>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you get.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he
>>>>>>>>> chose to go.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't they all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd
>>>>>>>> say 'then slow down'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you
>>>>>>>> said to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
>>>>>>>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
>>>>>>>> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Likewise in qualifying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are completely missing the point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!"
>>>>>>> and you ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet none of them 'raced', did they?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the problem was clearly stated:
>>>>>
>>>>> The inability to SEE the car ahead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Restating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>>>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>
>>> Restating an obvious falsehood doesn't make it any truer.
>>>
>>> It wasn't an issue with the cars at all:
>>>
>>> It was with the DRIVERS ABILITY TO SEE FAR ENOUGH that was the entire
>>> problem.
>>
>>
>> "Obvious falsehood"? The obvious cluelesslessness is yours.
>>
>> Can't race because you can't see? Drive from the pole, or drive slower.
>
> But that means a race where only one driver can actually race.
>
> But even so, it disproves your claim that it was about the unsuitability
> of the cars.
>
>>
>> But, what did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>
>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>> 'then slow down'.
>>
>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
>> to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
>> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>
>> Likewise qualifying, and the race itself. The analogy fits.
>>
>> The present crop of F1 drivers could have protested, done as GPDA did
>> in 1969, and on several subsequent occasions.
>>
>> The commercial implications, team and peer pressure mooted any protest.
>
> And it still has nothing to do with the cars being "undriveable".
>

For all but the driver on pole, undriveable, as you acknowledged, and
should have been canceled, period, with drivers taking the lead, which
they might have, absent the leverage of commercial agreements.

See from 15:00; F1 in its present format is unsuitable.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7onslp

Then watch the whole thing.

Feel free not to reply. In fact, don't. Though you surely will.

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by: Alan Baker - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 15:30 UTC

On 2021-09-03 12:58 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>
>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for the promoters,
>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>
>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty don't
>> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but undriveable in
>> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>
> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not restarted due to wet
> track?
>

How many have had so much rain that the drivers didn't have adequate
visibility?

:-)

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by: Alan Baker - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 15:34 UTC

On 2021-09-03 7:30 a.m., News wrote:
> On 9/2/2021 5:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-02 2:18 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2021 5:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:59 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/2021 4:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 4:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 1:01 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 3:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 12:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 2:56 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-02 10:22 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all but undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>> room in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The car is undriveable in conditions of such low visibility
>>>>>>>>>>>> that you can't see a car just 100 metres in front of you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tell Norris.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but when you go through ANY corner on ANY track in ANY
>>>>>>>>>> conditions faster than the conditions allow, that is what you
>>>>>>>>>> get.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Norris had the option of going a little bit slower than he
>>>>>>>>>> chose to go.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't they all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup. That's the whole point of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd
>>>>>>>>> say 'then slow down'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you
>>>>>>>>> said to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
>>>>>>>>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
>>>>>>>>> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Likewise in qualifying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are completely missing the point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You point to one crash and say "See! The cars aren't driveable!"
>>>>>>>> and you ignore the fact that everyone else managed to qualify.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet none of them 'raced', did they?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the problem was clearly stated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The inability to SEE the car ahead.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Restating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and Liberty
>>>>> don't want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>> undriveable in the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Restating an obvious falsehood doesn't make it any truer.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't an issue with the cars at all:
>>>>
>>>> It was with the DRIVERS ABILITY TO SEE FAR ENOUGH that was the
>>>> entire problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Obvious falsehood"? The obvious cluelesslessness is yours.
>>>
>>> Can't race because you can't see? Drive from the pole, or drive slower.
>>
>> But that means a race where only one driver can actually race.
>>
>> But even so, it disproves your claim that it was about the
>> unsuitability of the cars.
>>
>>>
>>> But, what did Max Mosley famously say, about drivers and their cars?
>>>
>>> "If you said a particular corner was really dangerous, they'd say
>>> 'then slow down'.
>>>
>>> "But of course that was complete nonsense. Even today if you said
>>> to any Formula One driver, 'here are two cars, this one is
>>> completely safe and this one is extremely dangerous but two
>>> seconds a lap quicker', there would be no discussion."
>>>
>>> Likewise qualifying, and the race itself. The analogy fits.
>>>
>>> The present crop of F1 drivers could have protested, done as GPDA did
>>> in 1969, and on several subsequent occasions.
>>>
>>> The commercial implications, team and peer pressure mooted any protest.
>>
>> And it still has nothing to do with the cars being "undriveable".
>>
>
>
> For all but the driver on pole, undriveable, as you acknowledged, and

Not because of the car.

> should have been canceled, period, with drivers taking the lead, which
> they might have, absent the leverage of commercial agreements.
>
> See from 15:00; F1 in its present format is unsuitable.
>
> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7onslp
>
> Then watch the whole thing.

Sure. If you'll explain what you think it proves in relation to your
claim that the current CARS are "undriveable" in the rain.

:-)

>
> Feel free not to reply. In fact, don't. Though you surely will.

Just as you surely did?

:-)

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