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by: texas gate - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 20:34 UTC

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:27:13 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> Again: I have no problem with that.

oh fucking goody for you

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by: texas gate - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 20:40 UTC

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:27:13 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> I have no problem with that.

You have no problem cheating in the pool also.
Still waiting to see if your picks were accepted.

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 20:42 UTC

On 2021-09-07 1:40 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:27:13 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> I have no problem with that.
>
> You have no problem cheating in the pool also.
> Still waiting to see if your picks were accepted.
>

I didn't cheat. Submitting an entry late with the full knowledge of
everyone isn't cheating.

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 20:43 UTC

On 2021-09-07 1:29 p.m., News wrote:
> On 9/7/2021 4:27 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-07 1:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2021 4:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-07 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/7/2021 3:10 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 7:12 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/5/2021 7:30 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 11:07, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:25:10 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2021 3:58 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not restarted due
>>>>>>>>>>> to wet
>>>>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wikipedia have a page that lists all F1 races that have been
>>>>>>>> red-flagged.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix in 1950, red
>>>>>>>> flags have been shown in seventy-eight races, with the latest
>>>>>>>> one being at the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix on 29 August. A total
>>>>>>>> of twenty-six races were restarted on the first lap, while
>>>>>>>> thirteen Grands Prix were not restarted, nine because of rain
>>>>>>>> and four due to crashes involving drivers. Another five races
>>>>>>>> were stopped due to incidents that resulted in fatalities:"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Nine because of rain' appears to be:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1950 Indy 500
>>>>>>>> 1974 BRA
>>>>>>>> 1975 GBR
>>>>>>>> 1975 AUT
>>>>>>>> 1984 MON
>>>>>>>> 1991 AUS
>>>>>>>> 2009 MAS
>>>>>>>> 2014 JPN
>>>>>>>> 2021 BEL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fewer than should have been. Liberty and FIA should be ashamed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The fact that you can't identify any except last week makes
>>>>>>>>> nonsense
>>>>>>>>> of your claim that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>> the wet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Undriveable and inherently unraceable in the dry (and wet), given
>>>>>>> the acknowledged need for 3-4 seconds of clear air to avoid
>>>>>>> turbulence, which even screws up qualy with all the 'gap' posturing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like the frog in water being brought to a slow boil, the current
>>>>>>> F1 vehicle specification has evolved to shyte, and smells of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to say that F1 needs to change its rules because the
>>>>>> current cars have too much trouble running close together, you'll
>>>>>> get no argument from me at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But when you call the cars in general "undriveable"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...you're just full of shit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you'd agree, 'unraceable.' OK. Whatever.
>>>>
>>>> Not as raceable as I think they should be, but essentially yes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unsuitable for intended purpose. Degrading the spectacle.
>>
>> Again: I have no problem with that. I agree. I look forward to seeing
>> them change the rules and hopefully make the racing better.
>>
>> But that has nothing to do with calling the cars "undriveable". They
>> simply aren't.
>
> When they are, as you agree, 'unraceable', what's the practical
> difference? A difference without a distinction? Demo only?

The difference is that you were claiming SPECIFICALLY that they were
undriveable IN THE RAIN.

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by: News - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 21:27 UTC

On 9/7/2021 4:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-07 1:29 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 9/7/2021 4:27 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-07 1:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-09-07 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 3:10 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 7:12 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2021 7:30 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 11:07, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:25:10 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2021 3:58 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not restarted
>>>>>>>>>>>> due to wet
>>>>>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia have a page that lists all F1 races that have been
>>>>>>>>> red-flagged.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix in 1950, red
>>>>>>>>> flags have been shown in seventy-eight races, with the latest
>>>>>>>>> one being at the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix on 29 August. A total
>>>>>>>>> of twenty-six races were restarted on the first lap, while
>>>>>>>>> thirteen Grands Prix were not restarted, nine because of rain
>>>>>>>>> and four due to crashes involving drivers. Another five races
>>>>>>>>> were stopped due to incidents that resulted in fatalities:"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Nine because of rain' appears to be:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1950 Indy 500
>>>>>>>>> 1974 BRA
>>>>>>>>> 1975 GBR
>>>>>>>>> 1975 AUT
>>>>>>>>> 1984 MON
>>>>>>>>> 1991 AUS
>>>>>>>>> 2009 MAS
>>>>>>>>> 2014 JPN
>>>>>>>>> 2021 BEL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fewer than should have been. Liberty and FIA should be ashamed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you can't identify any except last week makes
>>>>>>>>>> nonsense
>>>>>>>>>> of your claim that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>> the wet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Undriveable and inherently unraceable in the dry (and wet),
>>>>>>>> given the acknowledged need for 3-4 seconds of clear air to
>>>>>>>> avoid turbulence, which even screws up qualy with all the 'gap'
>>>>>>>> posturing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like the frog in water being brought to a slow boil, the current
>>>>>>>> F1 vehicle specification has evolved to shyte, and smells of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to say that F1 needs to change its rules because the
>>>>>>> current cars have too much trouble running close together, you'll
>>>>>>> get no argument from me at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But when you call the cars in general "undriveable"...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...you're just full of shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you'd agree, 'unraceable.' OK. Whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not as raceable as I think they should be, but essentially yes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unsuitable for intended purpose. Degrading the spectacle.
>>>
>>> Again: I have no problem with that. I agree. I look forward to seeing
>>> them change the rules and hopefully make the racing better.
>>>
>>> But that has nothing to do with calling the cars "undriveable". They
>>> simply aren't.
>>
>> When they are, as you agree, 'unraceable', what's the practical
>> difference? A difference without a distinction? Demo only?
>
> The difference is that you were claiming SPECIFICALLY that they were
> undriveable IN THE RAIN.

Which you admitted was true for all but the leader, due to lack of
visibility. (And only if the leader dropped back behind the safety car
more than regulations permit, according to VER's radio traffic.)

Undriveable.

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 21:30 UTC

On 2021-09-07 2:27 p.m., News wrote:
> On 9/7/2021 4:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-07 1:29 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2021 4:27 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-07 1:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 3:10 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 7:12 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2021 7:30 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 11:07, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:25:10 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2021 3:58 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not restarted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to wet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia have a page that lists all F1 races that have been
>>>>>>>>>> red-flagged.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix in 1950, red
>>>>>>>>>> flags have been shown in seventy-eight races, with the latest
>>>>>>>>>> one being at the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix on 29 August. A total
>>>>>>>>>> of twenty-six races were restarted on the first lap, while
>>>>>>>>>> thirteen Grands Prix were not restarted, nine because of rain
>>>>>>>>>> and four due to crashes involving drivers. Another five races
>>>>>>>>>> were stopped due to incidents that resulted in fatalities:"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Nine because of rain' appears to be:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1950 Indy 500
>>>>>>>>>> 1974 BRA
>>>>>>>>>> 1975 GBR
>>>>>>>>>> 1975 AUT
>>>>>>>>>> 1984 MON
>>>>>>>>>> 1991 AUS
>>>>>>>>>> 2009 MAS
>>>>>>>>>> 2014 JPN
>>>>>>>>>> 2021 BEL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fewer than should have been. Liberty and FIA should be ashamed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you can't identify any except last week makes
>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>> of your claim that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>> the wet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Undriveable and inherently unraceable in the dry (and wet),
>>>>>>>>> given the acknowledged need for 3-4 seconds of clear air to
>>>>>>>>> avoid turbulence, which even screws up qualy with all the 'gap'
>>>>>>>>> posturing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like the frog in water being brought to a slow boil, the
>>>>>>>>> current F1 vehicle specification has evolved to shyte, and
>>>>>>>>> smells of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to say that F1 needs to change its rules because the
>>>>>>>> current cars have too much trouble running close together,
>>>>>>>> you'll get no argument from me at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But when you call the cars in general "undriveable"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...you're just full of shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you'd agree, 'unraceable.' OK. Whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not as raceable as I think they should be, but essentially yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unsuitable for intended purpose. Degrading the spectacle.
>>>>
>>>> Again: I have no problem with that. I agree. I look forward to
>>>> seeing them change the rules and hopefully make the racing better.
>>>>
>>>> But that has nothing to do with calling the cars "undriveable". They
>>>> simply aren't.
>>>
>>> When they are, as you agree, 'unraceable', what's the practical
>>> difference? A difference without a distinction? Demo only?
>>
>> The difference is that you were claiming SPECIFICALLY that they were
>> undriveable IN THE RAIN.
>
> Which you admitted was true for all but the leader, due to lack of
> visibility. (And only if the leader dropped back behind the safety car
> more than regulations permit, according to VER's radio traffic.)
>
> Undriveable.

I admitted that the DRIVERS COULDN'T drive, but that fact could not have
been changed by any change in design of the cars.

"Undriveable" is a property of the CAR.

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by: texas gate - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 21:32 UTC

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:42:26 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> I didn't cheat. Submitting an entry late with the full knowledge of
> everyone isn't cheating.

the queen of spin

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 21:34 UTC

On 2021-09-07 2:32 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:42:26 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> I didn't cheat. Submitting an entry late with the full knowledge of
>> everyone isn't cheating.
>
> the queen of spin
>

Nope.

Cheating would have involved some attempt to conceal my actions.

Sorry.

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by: texas gate - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:00 UTC

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-07 2:32 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:42:26 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't cheat. Submitting an entry late with the full knowledge of
> >> everyone isn't cheating.
> >
> > the queen of spin
> >
> Nope.
>
> Cheating would have involved some attempt to conceal my actions.
>
> Sorry.

keep digging that hole

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:08 UTC

On 2021-09-07 3:00 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-07 2:32 p.m., texas gate wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:42:26 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>
>>>> I didn't cheat. Submitting an entry late with the full knowledge of
>>>> everyone isn't cheating.
>>>
>>> the queen of spin
>>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> Cheating would have involved some attempt to conceal my actions.
>>
>> Sorry.
>
> keep digging that hole
>

Explain how you believe I "cheated".

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by: texas gate - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:11 UTC

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:08:20 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-07 3:00 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-09-07 2:32 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:42:26 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I didn't cheat. Submitting an entry late with the full knowledge of
> >>>> everyone isn't cheating.
> >>>
> >>> the queen of spin
> >>>
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >> Cheating would have involved some attempt to conceal my actions.
> >>
> >> Sorry.
> >
> > keep digging that hole
> >
> Explain how you believe I "cheated".

Ok asshole.
You broke the rules.
If your picks are accepted,
the pool is a sham.

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:17 UTC

On 2021-09-07 3:11 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:08:20 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-07 3:00 p.m., texas gate wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-07 2:32 p.m., texas gate wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:42:26 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't cheat. Submitting an entry late with the full knowledge of
>>>>>> everyone isn't cheating.
>>>>>
>>>>> the queen of spin
>>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>> Cheating would have involved some attempt to conceal my actions.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry.
>>>
>>> keep digging that hole
>>>
>> Explain how you believe I "cheated".
>
> Ok asshole.
> You broke the rules.

Really?

I broke a "rule" by posting some electrons on a server somewhere?

> If your picks are accepted,
> the pool is a sham.

Do you play the pool?

Oh, no! You don't!

So you don't get a vote.

:-)

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by: texas gate - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:29 UTC

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:17:28 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> I broke a "rule" by posting some electrons on a server somewhere?

yup. and past cut off time for the pool.
but you knew that.
you stupid cunt.

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:45 UTC

On 2021-09-07 3:29 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:17:28 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> I broke a "rule" by posting some electrons on a server somewhere?
>
> yup. and past cut off time for the pool.

And so the only one who can break a "rule" is the pool's organizer...

....not me.

> but you knew that.
> you stupid cunt.

And you should have known that...

....but you're just to dim.

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by: texas gate - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:52 UTC

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:45:46 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> And so the only one who can break a "rule" is the pool's organizer...

i hope he has more pride than you

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by: texas gate - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:58 UTC

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-6, texas gate wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:45:46 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>
> > And so the only one who can break a "rule" is the pool's organizer...

> i hope he has more pride than you

and integrity

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 23:03 UTC

On 2021-09-07 3:58 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-6, texas gate wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:45:46 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>> And so the only one who can break a "rule" is the pool's organizer...
>
>> i hope he has more pride than you
>
> and integrity
>

I hope he's not as dull as you are.

Oh, wait!

No one is that dull!

:-)

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On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 5:03:16 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> I hope he's not as dull as you are.

So he is dull to let an idiot break the rules. lol

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On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> Cheating would have involved some attempt to conceal my actions.

this is all you need to know about this fucking idiot

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On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> my actions.

your actions? lol
you fucking moron

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On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> Cheating would have involved some attempt to conceal my actions.

this fucking weirdo has actions

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by: News - Wed, 8 Sep 2021 12:45 UTC

On 9/7/2021 5:30 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-07 2:27 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 9/7/2021 4:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-07 1:29 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:27 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-09-07 1:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 3:10 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 7:12 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2021 7:30 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 11:07, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:25:10 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2021 3:58 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not restarted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to wet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia have a page that lists all F1 races that have been
>>>>>>>>>>> red-flagged.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix in 1950, red
>>>>>>>>>>> flags have been shown in seventy-eight races, with the latest
>>>>>>>>>>> one being at the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix on 29 August. A
>>>>>>>>>>> total of twenty-six races were restarted on the first lap,
>>>>>>>>>>> while thirteen Grands Prix were not restarted, nine because
>>>>>>>>>>> of rain and four due to crashes involving drivers. Another
>>>>>>>>>>> five races were stopped due to incidents that resulted in
>>>>>>>>>>> fatalities:"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Nine because of rain' appears to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1950 Indy 500
>>>>>>>>>>> 1974 BRA
>>>>>>>>>>> 1975 GBR
>>>>>>>>>>> 1975 AUT
>>>>>>>>>>> 1984 MON
>>>>>>>>>>> 1991 AUS
>>>>>>>>>>> 2009 MAS
>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 JPN
>>>>>>>>>>> 2021 BEL
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fewer than should have been. Liberty and FIA should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ashamed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you can't identify any except last week makes
>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>>> of your claim that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Undriveable and inherently unraceable in the dry (and wet),
>>>>>>>>>> given the acknowledged need for 3-4 seconds of clear air to
>>>>>>>>>> avoid turbulence, which even screws up qualy with all the
>>>>>>>>>> 'gap' posturing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like the frog in water being brought to a slow boil, the
>>>>>>>>>> current F1 vehicle specification has evolved to shyte, and
>>>>>>>>>> smells of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want to say that F1 needs to change its rules because
>>>>>>>>> the current cars have too much trouble running close together,
>>>>>>>>> you'll get no argument from me at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But when you call the cars in general "undriveable"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...you're just full of shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you'd agree, 'unraceable.' OK. Whatever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not as raceable as I think they should be, but essentially yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unsuitable for intended purpose. Degrading the spectacle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again: I have no problem with that. I agree. I look forward to
>>>>> seeing them change the rules and hopefully make the racing better.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that has nothing to do with calling the cars "undriveable".
>>>>> They simply aren't.
>>>>
>>>> When they are, as you agree, 'unraceable', what's the practical
>>>> difference? A difference without a distinction? Demo only?
>>>
>>> The difference is that you were claiming SPECIFICALLY that they were
>>> undriveable IN THE RAIN.
>>
>> Which you admitted was true for all but the leader, due to lack of
>> visibility. (And only if the leader dropped back behind the safety car
>> more than regulations permit, according to VER's radio traffic.)
>>
>> Undriveable.
>
> I admitted that the DRIVERS COULDN'T drive, but that fact could not have
> been changed by any change in design of the cars.
>
> "Undriveable" is a property of the CAR.

And the pack, hence, unraceable, so, undriveable as intended. Unless you
view F1 cars as 'demo only'.

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by: Alan Baker - Wed, 8 Sep 2021 17:42 UTC

On 2021-09-08 5:45 a.m., News wrote:
> On 9/7/2021 5:30 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-07 2:27 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2021 4:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-07 1:29 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:27 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 1:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 3:10 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 7:12 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2021 7:30 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 11:07, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:25:10 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2021 3:58 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Liberty don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not restarted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to wet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia have a page that lists all F1 races that have been
>>>>>>>>>>>> red-flagged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix in 1950, red
>>>>>>>>>>>> flags have been shown in seventy-eight races, with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> latest one being at the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix on 29
>>>>>>>>>>>> August. A total of twenty-six races were restarted on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> first lap, while thirteen Grands Prix were not restarted,
>>>>>>>>>>>> nine because of rain and four due to crashes involving
>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers. Another five races were stopped due to incidents
>>>>>>>>>>>> that resulted in fatalities:"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Nine because of rain' appears to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1950 Indy 500
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1974 BRA
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1975 GBR
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1975 AUT
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1984 MON
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1991 AUS
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009 MAS
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 JPN
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021 BEL
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fewer than should have been. Liberty and FIA should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ashamed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you can't identify any except last week makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of your claim that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Undriveable and inherently unraceable in the dry (and wet),
>>>>>>>>>>> given the acknowledged need for 3-4 seconds of clear air to
>>>>>>>>>>> avoid turbulence, which even screws up qualy with all the
>>>>>>>>>>> 'gap' posturing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like the frog in water being brought to a slow boil, the
>>>>>>>>>>> current F1 vehicle specification has evolved to shyte, and
>>>>>>>>>>> smells of it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you want to say that F1 needs to change its rules because
>>>>>>>>>> the current cars have too much trouble running close together,
>>>>>>>>>> you'll get no argument from me at all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But when you call the cars in general "undriveable"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you're just full of shit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you'd agree, 'unraceable.' OK. Whatever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not as raceable as I think they should be, but essentially yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unsuitable for intended purpose. Degrading the spectacle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again: I have no problem with that. I agree. I look forward to
>>>>>> seeing them change the rules and hopefully make the racing better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that has nothing to do with calling the cars "undriveable".
>>>>>> They simply aren't.
>>>>>
>>>>> When they are, as you agree, 'unraceable', what's the practical
>>>>> difference? A difference without a distinction? Demo only?
>>>>
>>>> The difference is that you were claiming SPECIFICALLY that they were
>>>> undriveable IN THE RAIN.
>>>
>>> Which you admitted was true for all but the leader, due to lack of
>>> visibility. (And only if the leader dropped back behind the safety
>>> car more than regulations permit, according to VER's radio traffic.)
>>>
>>> Undriveable.
>>
>> I admitted that the DRIVERS COULDN'T drive, but that fact could not
>> have been changed by any change in design of the cars.
>>
>> "Undriveable" is a property of the CAR.
>
> And the pack, hence, unraceable, so, undriveable as intended. Unless you
> view F1 cars as 'demo only'.

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On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 11:42:35 AM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> By that absurd logic, NO car of ANY design can ever be driveable, could it?
>
> Your whole thesis has been that these CARS by the nature of their design
> were undriveable in the rain.

Hey Stupid.
The new pool is open.
Going to make your picks?
Or just be a fucking useless dumb cunt again?

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On 9/8/2021 1:42 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-08 5:45 a.m., News wrote:
>> On 9/7/2021 5:30 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-07 2:27 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-09-07 1:29 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:27 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 1:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 3:10 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 7:12 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2021 7:30 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 11:07, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:25:10 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2021 3:58 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Liberty don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restarted due to wet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia have a page that lists all F1 races that have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been red-flagged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix in 1950, red
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flags have been shown in seventy-eight races, with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest one being at the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix on 29
>>>>>>>>>>>>> August. A total of twenty-six races were restarted on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first lap, while thirteen Grands Prix were not restarted,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nine because of rain and four due to crashes involving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers. Another five races were stopped due to incidents
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that resulted in fatalities:"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Nine because of rain' appears to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1950 Indy 500
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1974 BRA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1975 GBR
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1975 AUT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1984 MON
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1991 AUS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009 MAS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 JPN
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021 BEL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fewer than should have been. Liberty and FIA should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ashamed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you can't identify any except last week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of your claim that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Undriveable and inherently unraceable in the dry (and wet),
>>>>>>>>>>>> given the acknowledged need for 3-4 seconds of clear air to
>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid turbulence, which even screws up qualy with all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'gap' posturing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the frog in water being brought to a slow boil, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> current F1 vehicle specification has evolved to shyte, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> smells of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to say that F1 needs to change its rules because
>>>>>>>>>>> the current cars have too much trouble running close
>>>>>>>>>>> together, you'll get no argument from me at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But when you call the cars in general "undriveable"...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...you're just full of shit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you'd agree, 'unraceable.' OK. Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not as raceable as I think they should be, but essentially yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unsuitable for intended purpose. Degrading the spectacle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again: I have no problem with that. I agree. I look forward to
>>>>>>> seeing them change the rules and hopefully make the racing better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that has nothing to do with calling the cars "undriveable".
>>>>>>> They simply aren't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When they are, as you agree, 'unraceable', what's the practical
>>>>>> difference? A difference without a distinction? Demo only?
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference is that you were claiming SPECIFICALLY that they
>>>>> were undriveable IN THE RAIN.
>>>>
>>>> Which you admitted was true for all but the leader, due to lack of
>>>> visibility. (And only if the leader dropped back behind the safety
>>>> car more than regulations permit, according to VER's radio traffic.)
>>>>
>>>> Undriveable.
>>>
>>> I admitted that the DRIVERS COULDN'T drive, but that fact could not
>>> have been changed by any change in design of the cars.
>>>
>>> "Undriveable" is a property of the CAR.
>>
>> And the pack, hence, unraceable, so, undriveable as intended. Unless
>> you view F1 cars as 'demo only'.
>
> By that absurd logic, NO car of ANY design can ever be driveable, could it?
>
> Your whole thesis has been that these CARS by the nature of their design
> were undriveable in the rain.

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