On 2021-09-08 11:03 a.m., News wrote:
> On 9/8/2021 1:42 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-09-08 5:45 a.m., News wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2021 5:30 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-07 2:27 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 1:29 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:27 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 1:22 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 4:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2021 3:10 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-09-07 7:12 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2021 7:30 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 11:07, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:25:10 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2021 3:58 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:22:22 -0400, News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2021 12:18 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <News@group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bringing disrepute to the sport?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the disrepute to the sport. Uncomfortable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the promoters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but definitely nothing unsporting about the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other comments I'll ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stating the inconvenient truth, the obvious, that FIA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Liberty don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to hear, that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet, despite all the runoff room in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many F1 races have been red flagged and not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restarted due to wet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia have a page that lists all F1 races that have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been red-flagged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix in 1950,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> red flags have been shown in seventy-eight races, with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest one being at the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix on 29
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> August. A total of twenty-six races were restarted on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first lap, while thirteen Grands Prix were not restarted,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nine because of rain and four due to crashes involving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers. Another five races were stopped due to incidents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that resulted in fatalities:"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Nine because of rain' appears to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1950  Indy 500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1974  BRA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1975  GBR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1975  AUT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1984  MON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1991  AUS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009  MAS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014  JPN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021  BEL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fewer than should have been. Liberty and FIA should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ashamed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you can't identify any except last week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of your claim that the current F1 'formula' is all but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undriveable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Undriveable and inherently unraceable in the dry (and wet),
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given the acknowledged need for 3-4 seconds of clear air to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid turbulence, which even screws up qualy with all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'gap' posturing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the frog in water being brought to a slow boil, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> current F1 vehicle specification has evolved to shyte, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> smells of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to say that F1 needs to change its rules because
>>>>>>>>>>>> the current cars have too much trouble running close
>>>>>>>>>>>> together, you'll get no argument from me at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But when you call the cars in general "undriveable"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...you're just full of shit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you'd agree, 'unraceable.' OK. Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not as raceable as I think they should be, but essentially yes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unsuitable for intended purpose. Degrading the spectacle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again: I have no problem with that. I agree. I look forward to
>>>>>>>> seeing them change the rules and hopefully make the racing better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But that has nothing to do with calling the cars "undriveable".
>>>>>>>> They simply aren't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When they are, as you agree, 'unraceable', what's the practical
>>>>>>> difference? A difference without a distinction? Demo only?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The difference is that you were claiming SPECIFICALLY that they
>>>>>> were undriveable IN THE RAIN.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which you admitted was true for all but the leader, due to lack of
>>>>> visibility. (And only if the leader dropped back behind the safety
>>>>> car more than regulations permit, according to VER's radio traffic.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Undriveable.
>>>>
>>>> I admitted that the DRIVERS COULDN'T drive, but that fact could not
>>>> have been changed by any change in design of the cars.
>>>>
>>>> "Undriveable" is a property of the CAR.
>>>
>>> And the pack, hence, unraceable, so, undriveable as intended. Unless
>>> you view F1 cars as 'demo only'.
>>
>> By that absurd logic, NO car of ANY design can ever be driveable,
>> could it?
>>
>> Your whole thesis has been that these CARS by the nature of their
>> design were undriveable in the rain.
>
>
> The absurd, circular argument clinic illogic is entirely yours, pedant.
>
> Long past time to round-file your posts.

On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 12:03:34 PM UTC-6, News wrote:

> Long past time to round-file your posts.

yup. the guy is a fucking moron

On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 12:15:30 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> very legitimate

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