On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 3:51:24 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> a bunch

lol

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
> ><martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
> >><mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
> > > > > > season?
> > > > >
> > > > > For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
> > > >
> > > > > Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
> > > > > canned him.
> > > >
> > > > His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
> > > > hardly a disappointment.
> > > >
> > > > > Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
> > > >
> > > > I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the
> > > > front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
> > > > revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
> > >
> > >
> > > I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance
> > > to really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he
> > > got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment;
> > > he is a good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the
> > > same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso,
> > > Räikkönen.
> >
> > And Russell I hope.
> >
> > Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit
> > of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
> >
> >
>
> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>
> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>
> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
> among the very best.

Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.

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On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>> <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
>>>>>>> season?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
>>>>>> canned him.
>>>>>
>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
>>>>> hardly a disappointment.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the
>>>>> front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
>>>>> revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance
>>>> to really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he
>>>> got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment;
>>>> he is a good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the
>>>> same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso,
>>>> Räikkönen.
>>>
>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>
>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit
>>> of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>
>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>
>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
>> among the very best.
>
> Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.

He's had a worse 2021, that's true...

....but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...

....and he was 2nd last year...

....and in 2019.

So I'm pretty sure he's passed more than a few people.

And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to try
to pass Hamilton.

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
> >>><martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
> >>>><mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
> > > > > > > XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > What teams and drivers most under performed for the
> > > > > > > > 2021 F1 season?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
> > > > > > > canned him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
> > > > > > hardly a disappointment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near
> > > > > > the front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
> > > > > > revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
> > > > > chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased for
> > > > > him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big
> > > > > disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly second
> > > > > division, nowhere near the same league as divers like
> > > > > Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
> > > >
> > > > And Russell I hope.
> > > >
> > > > Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a
> > > > bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
> > >
> > > Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
> > >
> > > He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
> > > certainly among the very best.
> >
> > Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
>
> He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
>
> ...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
>

As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.

Lol.

> ...and he was 2nd last year...
>
> ...and in 2019.
>
> So I'm pretty sure he's passed more than a few people.
>
> And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to
> try to pass Hamilton.

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On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>>>> <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
>>>>>>>> XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the
>>>>>>>>> 2021 F1 season?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
>>>>>>>> canned him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
>>>>>>> hardly a disappointment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near
>>>>>>> the front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
>>>>>>> revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
>>>>>> chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased for
>>>>>> him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big
>>>>>> disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly second
>>>>>> division, nowhere near the same league as divers like
>>>>>> Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a
>>>>> bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>>>
>>>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
>>>> certainly among the very best.
>>>
>>> Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
>>
>> He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
>>
>> ...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
>>
>
> As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.

No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.

>
> Lol.
>
>> ...and he was 2nd last year...
>>
>> ...and in 2019.
>>
>> So I'm pretty sure he's passed more than a few people.
>>
>> And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to
>> try to pass Hamilton.
>

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
> >>>>><martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
> >>>>>><mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
> > > > > > > > > XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > What teams and drivers most under performed for the
> > > > > > > > > > 2021 F1 season?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as
> > > > > > > > > they canned him.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > His performance wasn't much changed from previous
> > > > > > > > years, so hardly a disappointment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
> > > > > > > > > ride.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify
> > > > > > > > near the front, and making his way forward through
> > > > > > > > traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong point in the
> > > > > > > > past.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
> > > > > > > chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased
> > > > > > > for him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned
> > > > > > > out a big disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly
> > > > > > > second division, nowhere near the same league as divers
> > > > > > > like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And Russell I hope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he
> > > > > > grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
> > > > >
> > > > > He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
> > > > > certainly among the very best.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
> > >
> > > He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
> > >
> > > ...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
> > >
> >
> > As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
>
> No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
>

So, of Hamilton+'s 387.5 points, how many are the car? More or less
than 226?

;-)

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On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 12:20:34 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> I've been (correctly) pointing out

lol
you fucking buffoon

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> So I'm pretty sure
>
> And I'm also pretty sure

lol

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to try
> to pass Hamilton.

he couldnt even pass mid packers
after his predictable shitty starts
you fucking idiot

On 2021-12-30 1:43 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>>>>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>>>>>> <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
>>>>>>>>>> XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the
>>>>>>>>>>> 2021 F1 season?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as
>>>>>>>>>> they canned him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous
>>>>>>>>> years, so hardly a disappointment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
>>>>>>>>>> ride.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify
>>>>>>>>> near the front, and making his way forward through
>>>>>>>>> traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong point in the
>>>>>>>>> past.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
>>>>>>>> chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased
>>>>>>>> for him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned
>>>>>>>> out a big disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly
>>>>>>>> second division, nowhere near the same league as divers
>>>>>>>> like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he
>>>>>>> grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
>>>>>> certainly among the very best.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
>>>>
>>>> He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
>>>>
>>>> ...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
>>>>
>>>
>>> As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
>>
>> No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
>>
>
> So, of Hamilton+'s 387.5 points, how many are the car? More or less
> than 226?

I'll ask you a question in return:

How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
this year?

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 4:57:19 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> I'll ask you a question in return:

oh fucking goody for you
you stupid cunt

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 4:57:19 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> I'll ask you a question in return:

you deflecting, trolling, fucking, faggot

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 4:57:19 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
> this year?

that doesnt make sense
you brain dead, trolling,
piece of shit

On 2021-12-30 4:29 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 4:57:19 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
>
>> How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
>> this year?
>
> that doesnt make sense
> you brain dead, trolling,
> piece of shit

To you...

....I'm certain it's beyond your comprehension.

On 31/12/2021 7:37 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>>> <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
>>>>>>>> season?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
>>>>>>> canned him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
>>>>>> hardly a disappointment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the
>>>>>> front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
>>>>>> revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance
>>>>> to really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he
>>>>> got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment;
>>>>> he is a good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the
>>>>> same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso,
>>>>> Räikkönen.
>>>>
>>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>>
>>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer.  Even when he grows a bit
>>>> of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>>
>>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>>
>>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
>>> among the very best.
>>
>> Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
>
> He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
>
> ...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
>
> ...and he was 2nd last year...
>
> ...and in 2019.
>
> So I'm pretty sure he's passed more than a few people.

I suspect most of those were from starting in front of them.

>
> And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to try
> to pass Hamilton.

Yes 'try'.

geoff

On 31/12/2021 12:57 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-30 1:43 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>>>>>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>>>>>>> <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
>>>>>>>>>>> XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021 F1 season?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as
>>>>>>>>>>> they canned him.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous
>>>>>>>>>> years, so hardly a disappointment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
>>>>>>>>>>> ride.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify
>>>>>>>>>> near the front, and making his way forward through
>>>>>>>>>> traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong point in the
>>>>>>>>>> past.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
>>>>>>>>> chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased
>>>>>>>>> for him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned
>>>>>>>>> out a big disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly
>>>>>>>>> second division, nowhere near the same league as divers
>>>>>>>>> like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer.  Even when he
>>>>>>>> grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
>>>>>>> certainly among the very best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
>>>
>>> No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
>>>
>>
>> So, of Hamilton+'s 387.5 points, how many are the car? More or less
>> than 226?
>
> I'll ask you a question in return:
>
> How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
> this year?
>

More than just about anybody else driving a Williams ?

geoff

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-30 1:43 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
> >>>>>>><martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
> >>>>>>>><mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > What teams and drivers most under performed for
> > > > > > > > > > > > the 2021 F1 season?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree
> > > > > > > > > > > as they canned him.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > His performance wasn't much changed from previous
> > > > > > > > > > years, so hardly a disappointment.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
> > > > > > > > > > > ride.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I fear not well - he won't have a car that can
> > > > > > > > > > qualify near the front, and making his way forward
> > > > > > > > > > through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong
> > > > > > > > > > point in the past.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never
> > > > > > > > > got the chance to really show his true ability so I
> > > > > > > > > was pleased for him when he got his chance with
> > > > > > > > > Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a
> > > > > > > > > good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near
> > > > > > > > > the same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen,
> > > > > > > > > Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And Russell I hope.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he
> > > > > > > > grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
> > > > > > > certainly among the very best.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
> > > > >
> > > > > He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
> > >
> > > No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
> > >
> >
> > So, of Hamilton+'s 387.5 points, how many are the car? More or less
> > than 226?
>
> I'll ask you a question in return:
>

In return for refusing to answer...

I am not surprised.

> How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
> this year?

Bottas? Not a lot.

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On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 10:37:13 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>>> <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
>>>>>>>> season?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
>>>>>>> canned him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
>>>>>> hardly a disappointment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the
>>>>>> front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
>>>>>> revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance
>>>>> to really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he
>>>>> got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment;
>>>>> he is a good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the
>>>>> same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso,
>>>>> Räikkönen.
>>>>
>>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>>
>>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit
>>>> of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>>
>>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>>
>>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
>>> among the very best.
>>
>> Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
>
>He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
>
>...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
>
>...and he was 2nd last year...
>
>...and in 2019.
>
>So I'm pretty sure he's passed more than a few people.
>
>And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to try
>to pass Hamilton.

Examples?

On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 15:57:18 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2021-12-30 1:43 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>>>>>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>>>>>>> <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
>>>>>>>>>>> XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021 F1 season?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as
>>>>>>>>>>> they canned him.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous
>>>>>>>>>> years, so hardly a disappointment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
>>>>>>>>>>> ride.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify
>>>>>>>>>> near the front, and making his way forward through
>>>>>>>>>> traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong point in the
>>>>>>>>>> past.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
>>>>>>>>> chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased
>>>>>>>>> for him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned
>>>>>>>>> out a big disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly
>>>>>>>>> second division, nowhere near the same league as divers
>>>>>>>>> like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he
>>>>>>>> grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
>>>>>>> certainly among the very best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
>>>
>>> No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
>>>
>>
>> So, of Hamilton+'s 387.5 points, how many are the car? More or less
>> than 226?
>
>I'll ask you a question in return:
>
>How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
>this year?

Poor attempt at a body swerve.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>> <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
>>>>>> season?
>>>>>
>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>
>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
>>>>> him.
>>>>
>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a
>>>> disappointment.
>>>>
>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
>>>>
>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
>>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a
>>>> strong point in the past.
>>>
>>>
>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
>>> divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
>>
>> And Russell I hope.
>>
>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
>> stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>
>>
>
>I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>
>Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>
>He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
>among the very best.

You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.

--
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Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On 2022-01-01 4:22 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>> <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
>>>>>>> season?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>
>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a
>>>>> disappointment.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
>>>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a
>>>>> strong point in the past.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
>>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
>>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
>>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
>>>> divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
>>>
>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>
>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
>>> stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>
>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>
>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
>> among the very best.
>
> You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.

How much do think Bottas WANTS to be at Mercedes?

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:50:50 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-01-01 4:22 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
> >>> <martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
> >>>> <mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
> >>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
> >>>>>>> season?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
> >>>>>> him.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a
> >>>>> disappointment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
> >>>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a
> >>>>> strong point in the past.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
> >>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
> >>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
> >>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
> >>>> divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
> >>>
> >>> And Russell I hope.
> >>>
> >>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
> >>> stubble he's Mr Safety First.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
> >>
> >> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
> >>
> >> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
> >> among the very best.
> >
> > You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.
> How much do think Bottas WANTS to be at Mercedes?

I suspect he's very relieved to be changing teams.

On 2022-01-02 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:50:50 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-01-01 4:22 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>>>> <martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>>>> <mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
>>>>>>>>> season?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a
>>>>>>> disappointment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
>>>>>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a
>>>>>>> strong point in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
>>>>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
>>>>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
>>>>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
>>>>>> divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
>>>>> stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>>>
>>>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
>>>> among the very best.
>>>
>>> You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.
>> How much do think Bottas WANTS to be at Mercedes?
>
> I suspect he's very relieved to be changing teams.

I'm sure he's going to be delighted to be racing where team orders won't
require him to finish second.

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:54:48 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-01-02 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:50:50 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-01-01 4:22 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
>>>>>> <martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
>>>>>>> <mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
>>>>>>>>>> season?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a
>>>>>>>> disappointment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
>>>>>>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a
>>>>>>>> strong point in the past.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
>>>>>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
>>>>>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
>>>>>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
>>>>>>> divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Räikkönen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Russell I hope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
>>>>>> stubble he's Mr Safety First.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
>>>>>
>>>>> He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
>>>>> among the very best.
>>>>
>>>> You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.
>>> How much do think Bottas WANTS to be at Mercedes?
>>
>> I suspect he's very relieved to be changing teams.
>
>I'm sure he's going to be delighted to be racing where team orders won't
>require him to finish second.

I've asked you already to examples to back up your claim that there
were times when he wasn't allowed to try to pass Hamilton. Good job I
didn't try to hold my breath while waiting.

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 2:54:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> I'm sure he's going to be delighted to be racing where team orders won't
> require him to finish second.

you fucking troll