On Tuesday, 21 September 2021 at 07:44:32 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:

> > Heros do not need to be worshipped, because they do things of greatness
> > without any applause. That's why they are called 'heros' (otherwise they
> > are called 'celebreties').
> So by that definition, Einstein was a 'hero', as he did things of
> greatness without expecting applause.

In the meantime in the real world, however, the clocks of GPS
keep indicating t'=t, just like all serious clocks always did.

Where did you, BTW, obtain the information that your
clown guru didn't expect applause?

Dirk Van de moortel wrote:

>> Lorentz was 67 y.o. by then, and was revered as a physicist. He was
>> semi-retired, but his ego felt the need to compliment Einstein's
>> declarations to the press, which posted him to worldwide fame along
>> with the fucker. Everyone was happy by then (1919), isn't it? NO, the
>> answer is NO.
>
> Whatever. As long as you feel unhappy, we feel happy.

Rᵤᵥ - ½R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 12:32:43 PM UTC-3, Neil Coll wrote:

> Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
>
> >> Lorentz was 67 y.o. by then, and was revered as a physicist. He was
> >> semi-retired, but his ego felt the need to compliment Einstein's
> >> declarations to the press, which posted him to worldwide fame along
> >> with the fucker. Everyone was happy by then (1919), isn't it? NO, the
> >> answer is NO.
> >
> > Whatever. As long as you feel unhappy, we feel happy.

> Rᵤᵥ - ½R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ

Actually, magic was involved in what happened in that three weeks of November 1915:

Rᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 4, 1915 Einstein field equation for GR)

magically evolved to

Rᵤᵥ - 1/2 R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 25, 1915 Hilbert-Einstein field equation for GR)

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:21:24 PM UTC-7, cretin Richard Hertz wrote:
> > Rᵤᵥ - ½R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ
> Actually, magic was involved in what happened in that three weeks of November 1915:
>
> Rᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 4, 1915 Einstein field equation for GR)
>
> magically evolved to
>
> Rᵤᵥ - 1/2 R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 25, 1915 Hilbert-Einstein field equation for GR)

Imbecile,

You are making a fool of yourself once again. Here is the scientific explanation of the progress of the EFE as made by Einstein ALONE: https://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/PT.3.2979

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:43:02 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:

<snip>

> You are making a fool of yourself once again. Here is the scientific explanation of the progress of the EFE as made by Einstein ALONE: https://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/PT.3.2979

Mark this post. I'll make you swallow it later. Now I'm out for dinner.

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 4:48:32 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:43:02 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > You are making a fool of yourself once again. Here is the scientific explanation of the progress of the EFE as made by Einstein ALONE: https://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/PT.3.2979
> Mark this post. I'll swallow some more shit later. Now I'm out for dinner.

On Wednesday, 22 September 2021 at 01:43:02 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:21:24 PM UTC-7, cretin Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> > > Rᵤᵥ - ½R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ
> > Actually, magic was involved in what happened in that three weeks of November 1915:
> >
> > Rᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 4, 1915 Einstein field equation for GR)
> >
> > magically evolved to
> >
> > Rᵤᵥ - 1/2 R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 25, 1915 Hilbert-Einstein field equation for GR)
> Imbecile,
>
> You are making a fool of yourself once again. Here is the scientific explanation of the progress of the EFE as made by Einstein ALONE: https://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/PT.3.2979

In the meantime in the real world, howevere, the clocks
of GPS keep indicating t'=t, just like all serious clocks
always did.

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 10:27:29 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:

> After wasting roughly two years with annotating imaginary errors in his 1905 SRT
> paper, I would not call him 'hero', because there were just too many
> errors in my demented mind.
>

Agreed

Am 21.09.2021 um 07:44 schrieb Michael Moroney:
> On 9/21/2021 1:36 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 20.09.2021 um 03:04 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>
>>> So Tesla is the hero you prefer be worshipped.
>>>
>>
>> Heros do not need to be worshipped, because they do things of
>> greatness without any applause. That's why they are called 'heros'
>> (otherwise they are called 'celebreties').
>
> So by that definition, Einstein was a 'hero', as he did things of
> greatness without expecting applause. Although he got more than his
> share later when the media latched onto him.

After spending roughly two years with annotating errors in his 1905 SRT
paper, I would not call him 'hero', because there were just too many
errors (my counting: about four hundred).

But he was definetely a celebrety.

>> Tesla was certainly more of the hero kind, because he invented a
>> thousand things for fun of inventing things (and for money).
>>
>> Whether or not he liked applause is not certain.
>
> Not sure how much Einstein liked the applause he got.
>
It is not only applause. Also invitations to congresses and meetings, a
well paid position, political influence, appearance in press and other
media, invitations to parties and friendship with important people,
which could eventually make him like the status of a celebrity.

TH

On Wednesday, 22 September 2021 at 07:31:24 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 10:27:29 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> > After wasting roughly two years with annotating imaginary errors in his 1905 SRT
> > paper, I would not call him 'hero', because there were just too many
> > errors in my demented mind.
> >
>
> Agreed

Thomas, of course, didn't write it. Poor idiot Dono is lying
again for the sake of his insane ideology; as expected from
a brainwashed moron.

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:27:29 AM UTC-3, Thomas Heger wrote:

<snip>

> > Not sure how much Einstein liked the applause he got.

> It is not only applause. Also invitations to congresses and meetings, a
> well paid position, political influence, appearance in press and other
> media, invitations to parties and friendship with important people,
> which could eventually make him like the status of a celebrity.
>
> TH

He really liked to be a worldwide celebrity:

From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#1921%E2%80%931922:_Travels_abroad

GOOD TIMES

* New York City, 2 April 1921, where he received an official welcome by Mayor John Francis Hylan,
* On his return to Europe he was the guest of the British statesman Viscount Haldane in London,
where he met several renowned scientific, intellectual, and political figures, and delivered a lecture
at King's College London.
* In 1922, his travels took him to Asia and later to Palestine, as part of a six-month excursion and speaking
tour, as he visited Singapore, Ceylon, China, India and Japan, where he gave a series of lectures to thousands
of Japanese. After his first lecture, he met the Emperor at the Imperial Palace, where thousands came to watch.
* On his return voyage, he visited Palestine for 12 days, his only visit to that region. He was greeted as if he were
a head of state, rather than a physicist, which included a cannon salute upon arriving at the home of the British
high commissioner, Sir Herbert Samuel.
* Einstein visited Spain for two weeks in 1923, where he briefly met Santiago Ramón y Cajal and also received a
diploma from King Alfonso XIII naming him a member of the Spanish Academy of Sciences.
* From 1922 to 1932, Einstein was a member of the International Committee on Intellectual Cooperation of the
League of Nations in Geneva.
* In the months of March and April 1925, Einstein visited South America, where he spent about a month in Argentina,
a week in Uruguay, and a week in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
* Belgium1929, he visited the Belgian Royal court and a friendship began between him and the
Queen of the Belgians, born Elisabeth of Bavaria.
* In December 1930, Einstein visited America for the second time, originally intended as a two-month
working visit as a research fellow at the California Institute of Technology.
After arriving in New York City, Einstein was taken to various places and events, including Chinatown, a lunch with
the editors of The New York Times, and a performance of Carmen at the Metropolitan Opera, where he was cheered
by the audience on his arrival. During the days following, he was given the keys to the city by Mayor Jimmy Walker
and met the president of Columbia University, who described Einstein as "the ruling monarch of the mind".

BAD TIMES

* In February 1933, while on a visit to the United States, Einstein knew he could not return to Germany.
* Upon landing in Antwerp, Belgium on 28 March, Einstein immediately went to the German consulate and surrendered
his passport, formally renouncing his German citizenship.
* In late July 1933, he went to England for about six weeks at the personal invitation of British naval officer Commander
Oliver Locker-Lampson, who took Einstein to meet Winston Churchill at his home, and later, Austen Chamberlain and
former Prime Minister Lloyd George. Locker-Lampson submitted a bill to parliament to extend British citizenship to Einstein
* In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a position at the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein became an American citizen in 1940.

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:21:24 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 12:32:43 PM UTC-3, Neil Coll wrote:
>
> > Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
> >
> > >> Lorentz was 67 y.o. by then, and was revered as a physicist. He was
> > >> semi-retired, but his ego felt the need to compliment Einstein's
> > >> declarations to the press, which posted him to worldwide fame along
> > >> with the fucker. Everyone was happy by then (1919), isn't it? NO, the
> > >> answer is NO.
> > >
> > > Whatever. As long as you feel unhappy, we feel happy.
>
> > Rᵤᵥ - ½R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ
> Actually, magic was involved in what happened in that three weeks of November 1915:
>
> Rᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 4, 1915 Einstein field equation for GR)
>
> magically evolved to
>
> Rᵤᵥ - 1/2 R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 25, 1915 Hilbert-Einstein field equation for GR)

It's not magic, it's a solution to the problem Einstein had with the first equation
(I'm assuming the units of G = c =1 to simplify the ASCII):

R_uv = 8 pi T_uv

For example, its contraction didn't make sense. Raise one index first:

R^u_v = 8 pi T^u_v

....and contract:

R = 8 pi T

....which would imply the trace of any energy-momentum tensor in e.g. flat space
is zero. Also, T^u_v should have zero divergence, and here it does not:

0 = D_u T^u_v = (1/8 pi) D_u R^u_v , and the RHS is not necessarily zero.

Then Einstein found out about the Bianchi identities, one of which says:

D_u R^u_v = (1/2) D_v R (always)

This immediately suggests the amendment of the original equation by replacing
its R^u_v with R^u_v - 1/2 R delta^u_v (delta = the Kronecker delta), and we get:

D_u T^u_v = (1/8 pi) D_u (R^u_v - 1/2 R delta^u_v)
= (1/8 pi) ((1/2) D_v R - 1/2 delta^u_v D_u R)
= (1/8 pi) ((1/2) D_v R - (1/2) D_v R) = 0 (always).

With the indices lowered the Kronecker delta becomes g_uv.

This sort of thing does not require any "plagiarizing", it's a straightforward
rearrangement. The only reason it took Einstein so long to get it was that the
Bianchi identities were not common knowledge at the time, esp. among
physicists. Keep in mind that the "absolute calculus" was being developed
at about the same time.

Things of that sort happen all the time, e.g. particle physicists reinventing
the wheel and then borrowing the entire vector bundle machinery from
mathematicians as needed.

--
Jan

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 12:41:16 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:21:24 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 12:32:43 PM UTC-3, Neil Coll wrote:
> >
> > > Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Lorentz was 67 y.o. by then, and was revered as a physicist. He was
> > > >> semi-retired, but his ego felt the need to compliment Einstein's
> > > >> declarations to the press, which posted him to worldwide fame along
> > > >> with the fucker. Everyone was happy by then (1919), isn't it? NO, the
> > > >> answer is NO.
> > > >
> > > > Whatever. As long as you feel unhappy, we feel happy.
> >
> > > Rᵤᵥ - ½R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ
> > Actually, magic was involved in what happened in that three weeks of November 1915:
> >
> > Rᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 4, 1915 Einstein field equation for GR)
> >
> > magically evolved to
> >
> > Rᵤᵥ - 1/2 R gᵤᵥ = 8πG/c⁴ Tᵤᵥ (Nov. 25, 1915 Hilbert-Einstein field equation for GR)
> It's not magic, it's a solution to the problem Einstein had with the first equation
> (I'm assuming the units of G = c =1 to simplify the ASCII):
>
> R_uv = 8 pi T_uv
>
> For example, its contraction didn't make sense. Raise one index first:
>
> R^u_v = 8 pi T^u_v
>
> ...and contract:
>
> R = 8 pi T
>
> ...which would imply the trace of any energy-momentum tensor in e.g. flat space
> is zero. Also, T^u_v should have zero divergence, and here it does not:
>
> 0 = D_u T^u_v = (1/8 pi) D_u R^u_v , and the RHS is not necessarily zero.
>
> Then Einstein found out about the Bianchi identities, one of which says:
>
> D_u R^u_v = (1/2) D_v R (always)
>
> This immediately suggests the amendment of the original equation by replacing
> its R^u_v with R^u_v - 1/2 R delta^u_v (delta = the Kronecker delta), and we get:
>
> D_u T^u_v = (1/8 pi) D_u (R^u_v - 1/2 R delta^u_v) =
>
> = (1/8 pi) ((1/2) D_v R - 1/2 delta^u_v D_u R) =
>
> = (1/8 pi) ((1/2) D_v R - (1/2) D_v R) = 0 (always).
>
> With the indices lowered the Kronecker delta becomes g_uv.
>
> This sort of thing does not require any "plagiarizing", it's a straightforward
> rearrangement. The only reason it took Einstein so long to get it was that the
> Bianchi identities were not common knowledge at the time, esp. among
> physicists. Keep in mind that the "absolute calculus" was being developed
> at about the same time.
>
> Things of that sort happen all the time, e.g. particle physicists reinventing
> the wheel and then borrowing the entire vector bundle machinery from
> mathematicians as needed.

I've just read the paper https://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/PT.3.2979
according to which the Bianchi identities were not the main reason for
Einstein's changes (although the paper does not mention them, we know
Einstein became aware of them later, it seems).

Either way, it's obvious that if anyone was riding anyone's tails, it was Hilbert.

--
Jan

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:27:29 AM UTC-3, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Not sure how much Einstein liked the applause he got.
>
>> It is not only applause. Also invitations to congresses and meetings, a
>> well paid position, political influence, appearance in press and other
>> media, invitations to parties and friendship with important people,
>> which could eventually make him like the status of a celebrity.
>>
>> TH
>
> He really liked to be a worldwide celebrity:

Well, he was *treated* like a worldwide celebrity. That’s what’s evidenced
in the anecdotes below. This doesn’t necessitate that he enjoyed it or
solicited it. It may have been the kind of attention that YOU would have
enjoyed, but that doesn’t mean that Einstein did anything but tolerate it.

I fully get that you do not like fame as a general phenomenon, and you
believe that people with honor should do everything in their power to avoid
it, discourage it, or decline it. However, common people do not share your
stance on this, and there’s nothing really you can do about but gripe.

>
> From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#1921%E2%80%931922:_Travels_abroad
>
> GOOD TIMES
>
> * New York City, 2 April 1921, where he received an official welcome by
> Mayor John Francis Hylan,
> * On his return to Europe he was the guest of the British statesman
> Viscount Haldane in London,
> where he met several renowned scientific, intellectual, and political
> figures, and delivered a lecture
> at King's College London.
> * In 1922, his travels took him to Asia and later to Palestine, as part
> of a six-month excursion and speaking
> tour, as he visited Singapore, Ceylon, China, India and Japan, where
> he gave a series of lectures to thousands
> of Japanese. After his first lecture, he met the Emperor at the
> Imperial Palace, where thousands came to watch.
> * On his return voyage, he visited Palestine for 12 days, his only visit
> to that region. He was greeted as if he were
> a head of state, rather than a physicist, which included a cannon
> salute upon arriving at the home of the British
> high commissioner, Sir Herbert Samuel.
> * Einstein visited Spain for two weeks in 1923, where he briefly met
> Santiago Ramón y Cajal and also received a
> diploma from King Alfonso XIII naming him a member of the Spanish Academy of Sciences.
> * From 1922 to 1932, Einstein was a member of the International Committee
> on Intellectual Cooperation of the
> League of Nations in Geneva.
> * In the months of March and April 1925, Einstein visited South America,
> where he spent about a month in Argentina,
> a week in Uruguay, and a week in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
> * Belgium1929, he visited the Belgian Royal court and a friendship began
> between him and the
> Queen of the Belgians, born Elisabeth of Bavaria.
> * In December 1930, Einstein visited America for the second time,
> originally intended as a two-month
> working visit as a research fellow at the California Institute of Technology.
> After arriving in New York City, Einstein was taken to various places
> and events, including Chinatown, a lunch with
> the editors of The New York Times, and a performance of Carmen at the
> Metropolitan Opera, where he was cheered
> by the audience on his arrival. During the days following, he was given
> the keys to the city by Mayor Jimmy Walker
> and met the president of Columbia University, who described Einstein as
> "the ruling monarch of the mind".
>
> BAD TIMES
>
> * In February 1933, while on a visit to the United States, Einstein knew
> he could not return to Germany.
> * Upon landing in Antwerp, Belgium on 28 March, Einstein immediately went
> to the German consulate and surrendered
> his passport, formally renouncing his German citizenship.
> * In late July 1933, he went to England for about six weeks at the
> personal invitation of British naval officer Commander
> Oliver Locker-Lampson, who took Einstein to meet Winston Churchill at
> his home, and later, Austen Chamberlain and
> former Prime Minister Lloyd George. Locker-Lampson submitted a bill to
> parliament to extend British citizenship to Einstein
> * In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a position at
> the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
> become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein became
> an American citizen in 1940.
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 5:20:55 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 12:41:16 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:

<snip>

> > This sort of thing does not require any "plagiarizing", it's a straightforward
> > rearrangement. The only reason it took Einstein so long to get it was that the
> > Bianchi identities were not common knowledge at the time, esp. among
> > physicists. Keep in mind that the "absolute calculus" was being developed
> > at about the same time.
> >
> > Things of that sort happen all the time, e.g. particle physicists reinventing
> > the wheel and then borrowing the entire vector bundle machinery from
> > mathematicians as needed.

> I've just read the paper https://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/PT.3.2979
> according to which the Bianchi identities were not the main reason for
> Einstein's changes (although the paper does not mention them, we know
> Einstein became aware of them later, it seems).
>
> Either way, it's obvious that if anyone was riding anyone's tails, it was Hilbert.

An honest realization, Jan. Curiously, I had the same link open in a separate tab, to check it,
among several others from the einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu, to analyze them carefully.

The opening of his Nov.4 paper to the PAS is very interesting (the first of four, one per week):

On the General Theory of Relativity
Submitted 4 November 1915
Published 11 November 1915
In Königlich Preußische Akademie der Wissenschaften (Berlin).

My efforts in recent years were directed toward basing a general theory of relativity, [1] also for nonuniform
motion, upon the supposition of relativity. I believed indeed to have found the only law of gravitation that
complies with a reasonably formulated postulate of general relativity; and I tried to demonstrate the truth
of precisely this solution in a paper1 that appeared last year in the Sitzungsberichte.

Renewed criticism showed to me that this truth is absolutely impossible to show in the manner suggested.
That this seemed to be the case was based upon a misjudgment. The postulate of relativity-as far as I demanded
it there-is always satisfied if the Hamiltonian principle is chosen as a basis. But in reality, it provides no tool to
establish the Hamiltonian function H of the gravitational field. Indeed, ........................................

For these reasons I lost trust in the field equations I had derived, and instead looked for a way to limit the
possibilities in a natural manner. In this pursuit I arrived at the demand of general covariance, a demand
from which I parted, though with a heavy heart, three years ago when I worked together with ........

Just as the special theory of relativity is based upon the postulate that all equations have to be covariant relative
to linear orthogonal transformations, so the [p. 779] theory developed here rests upon the postulate of the covariance
of all systems of equations relative to transformations with the substitution determinant 1.

********* THIS PART IS HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE (if you don't understand it, you can't convert!) *************
Nobody who REALLY GRASPED IT can ESCAPE from its CHARM, because it signifies a real triumph of the general
differential calculus as founded by Gauss, Riemann, Christoffel, Ricci, and Levi-Civita.
****************

In German: "Dem Zauber dieser Theorie" with Zauber meanings: magic, spell, enchantment, witchery, charm, incantation.

So, Einstein is selling his theory as something beyond natural logic and reason. It's something mystical, beyond
the realm of the human reality. So, if you don't "drink the potion of it" (you don't buy it) you will not be converted
in order to see it as an ultimate truth.

How come NOT to despise this? He was what? forcing the PAS to accept it or...?

And almost the same line of justification for GR has survived and even evolved in many forms for
the last 100 years. And THIS pedantic presentation was with the WRONG THEORY (Nov. 4). Imagine what
happened three weeks later with the correct one!

He KNEW that he was selling crap: Space bends under gravity, but you CAN'T SEE IT. And I affirm this
because mathematics FORCED ME to think in this way. It's not me, it's the mathematics!

But mathematics IS NOT PHYSICS, Jan. And never will.

You can display any kind of mathematical witchery from your kit, but I won't drink your magic potion.
And this is a fight between human reason and indoctrination (by force or by mathematics, which is not physics).

Let's left it for other things that will not see or understand: atoms, electrons, nucleus of atoms, protons, quarks, etc.

But even when quantum physics has provided thousands of improvements on civilization, GR has provided NONE.

And yet, such sterile theory makes the winner of the contest on GR the Emperor of Sciences, and forever?

Give me a break! GR is unnatural, nonphysical and dangerous for the integrity of physics, and should be
eradicated by law, as well as any heretical branch of cosmology: useless and still we have to deal of
the incorrect arrogance, deprecation for non-adherents and self-entitlement of their "carriers"? It has to stop.

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 8:28:34 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> My efforts in recent years were directed toward becoming the funniest clown in this forum.

....and you more than exceeded your goals!

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 9:42:11 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> Well, he was *treated* like a worldwide celebrity. That’s what’s evidenced
> in the anecdotes below. This doesn’t necessitate that he enjoyed it or
> solicited it. It may have been the kind of attention that YOU would have
> enjoyed, but that doesn’t mean that Einstein did anything but tolerate it.

Einstein en Argentina (1925):

La residencia de Einstein en Argentina
https://ri.conicet.gov.ar/bitstream/handle/11336/21405/CONICET_Digital_Nro.25629.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Las cartas de Albert Einstein desde Sudamérica: críticas a Buenos Aires y fascinación con Montevideo
https://www.infobae.com/america/historia-america/2019/03/10/las-cartas-de-albert-einstein-desde-sudamerica-criticas-a-buenos-aires-y-fascinacion-con-montevideo/

A 65 años de la muerte de Albert Einstein: el día que visitó Argentina
https://www.clarin.com/cultura/a-65-anos-de-la-muerte-de-albert-einstein-el-dia-que-visito-argentina_0_FMN1UfKFS.html

Albert Einstein, el día que el Nobel de Física pisó suelo argentino
El científico alemán visitó Buenos Aires y La Falda, Córdoba, entre marzo y abril de 1925 invitado por la
Universidad de Buenos Aires y la Sociedad Hebraíca Argentina.
https://www.clarin.com/sociedad/albert-einstein-dia-nobel-fisica-piso-suelo-argentino_0_pJ_-lx6tW.html

Así describió Buenos Aires el físico alemán que revolucionó la Humanidad. Su paso casi de estrella de rock y su legado en la hoy bicentenaria Universidad de Buenos Aires.

https://www.serargentino.com/argentina/historia/einstein-en-argentina-nueva-york-atenuada-por-el-sur

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, Einstein is selling his theory as something beyond natural logic and
> reason. It's something mystical, beyond
> the realm of the human reality. So, if you don't "drink the potion of it"
> (you don't buy it) you will not be converted
> in order to see it as an ultimate truth.
>
> How come NOT to despise this? He was what? forcing the PAS to accept it or..?

There’s no reason TO despise this. Nature doesn’t care about human
intuitiveness. It just works the way it does, and so appealing to
intuitiveness is only going to work by accident of history. This is why
experiment, not intuitiveness, is the measure of validity. If an idea is
strange, it is nevertheless validated if experimental tests bear it out.

>
> He KNEW that he was selling crap: Space bends under gravity, but you CAN'T SEE IT.

So WHAT? You can’t see a radio wave, either. You can’t see a gene. You
can’t see tectonic migration. You can’t see hybrid orbitals. But there are
observable consequences of all of these things, including the curvature of
spacetime. Being apparent to human senses is even LESS of a criterion of
validity than human intuitiveness.

> And I affirm this
> because mathematics FORCED ME to think in this way. It's not me, it's the mathematics!
>
> But mathematics IS NOT PHYSICS, Jan. And never will.
>
> You can display any kind of mathematical witchery from your kit, but I
> won't drink your magic potion.

What Jan described is not witchcraft. He described the simple mathematical
steps that show you why a term becomes more obviously necessary in an
equation, using Ward identities of differential geometry. This is no more
complicated than making sure a solution of an integral equation includes
the constant of integration. That’s a mathematical rule, but ignoring it is
a fine way to introduce mistakes in your answers.

> And this is a fight between human reason and indoctrination (by force or
> by mathematics, which is not physics).

No, it’s not a fight between reason and indoctrination. It’s a fight
between intuition without reference to experimental results, and good
science with reference to experimental results. What you call reason is not
reason — it is instead clinging to the familiar and practiced. What you are
demanding is the bias toward staying with what you know and what has worked
for you so far, and only switching to something new and foreign if forced.
Such a mentality suits engineers well, but is not how scientists think.

>
> Let's left it for other things that will not see or understand: atoms,
> electrons, nucleus of atoms, protons, quarks, etc.
>
> But even when quantum physics has provided thousands of improvements on
> civilization, GR has provided NONE.

And once again I remind you that fundamental science is NOT done for
practical gains. Neither is paleontology or astronomy or planetary
atmospheric science or zoology or cosmology. Do not attempt to judge
science by engineering standards, any more than you would judge orchestral
compositions by computing algorithm standards. All you are doing is trying
to say that the world would be a better place if everyone were engineers,
which is a perfectly stupid thing to say.

>
> And yet, such sterile theory makes the winner of the contest on GR the
> Emperor of Sciences, and forever?

Nobody has given GR that moniker except you and a few other adoring
laypeople who like hero worshipping language.

>
> Give me a break! GR is unnatural, nonphysical and dangerous for the
> integrity of physics, and should be
> eradicated by law, as well as any heretical branch of cosmology: useless
> and still we have to deal of
> the incorrect arrogance, deprecation for non-adherents and
> self-entitlement of their "carriers"? It has to stop.
>
>

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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 1:02:17 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:

<snip>

I didn't know that the fucker was a racist! i knew that he did horrible comments about China, but
this is a translation of part of this article, written years ago:

> Las cartas de Albert Einstein desde Sudamérica: críticas a Buenos Aires y fascinación con Montevideo
> https://www.infobae.com/america/historia-america/2019/03/10/las-cartas-de-albert-einstein-desde-sudamerica-criticas-a-buenos-aires-y-fascinacion-con-montevideo/

Excerpts translated by Google. Just post the link on Google Translate, to read the entire article:

*******
Recently there were some comments written by Einstein in his travel diary of between October 1922 and March 1923
through Asia, the Middle East and Spain, in which he described the Chinese as a "hard-working, dirty, obtuse" people.
Not very politically correct ...

*******
A similar newspaper covered the adventures of the author of the Theory of Relativity during his 1925 trip to Argentina,
Uruguay and Brazil . And there was no lack of racist or derogatory comments, mixed with declarations of love and
admiration for their hosts.

*******
When he met with a director of the University of La Plata, he later described him in his diary as " an elegant and fake
little man with a little analogous wife ."

*******
One moment especially struck him, while he was visiting a Zionist organization, it is not clear whether in Buenos Aires
or in Córdoba. Apparently, the organization's executives went to great lengths to show him artifacts and photographs.
When someone happened to take one of those photos that hung on a wall, Einstein saw "horrendous dirt" where the
picture frame had been. "I hope this is not taken as a symbol," he hoped.

*******
On the 6th he gave a conference at the Engineers Club, where "communication was impossible for acoustic reasons"
derived from the "noises" coming from the street.

"Little scientific sense" had this meeting for the German physicist. So little that he was provoked by one of those politically
incorrect comments: " Here, I am a kind of white elephant for others," he noted, "and they are like monkeys to me ."

*******

And, returning to the stage, he told them that " Buenos Aires is a sterile city from the point of view of romanticism and
intellectuality, but I am delighted with Rio ."

On Wednesday, 22 September 2021 at 18:49:40 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So, Einstein is selling his theory as something beyond natural logic and
> > reason. It's something mystical, beyond
> > the realm of the human reality. So, if you don't "drink the potion of it"
> > (you don't buy it) you will not be converted
> > in order to see it as an ultimate truth.
> >
> > How come NOT to despise this? He was what? forcing the PAS to accept it or..?
> There’s no reason TO despise this. Nature doesn’t care about human
> intuitiveness.

Sorry, poor idiot, time, as a coordinate, is not a part of nature.
It's a human construction. And they DO care about intuitiveness.

> It just works the way it does, and so appealing to
> intuitiveness is only going to work by accident of history. This is why
> experiment, not intuitiveness, is the measure of validity.

And no matter how intuitive your nonsenses seem to you and your
fellow idiots - (the clocks of GPS indicating t'=t)=>good bye, The Shit..

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 1:49:40 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> There’s no reason TO despise this. Nature doesn’t care about human
> intuitiveness. It just works the way it does, and so appealing to
> intuitiveness is only going to work by accident of history. This is why
> experiment, not intuitiveness, is the measure of validity. If an idea is
> strange, it is nevertheless validated if experimental tests bear it out.

There you go again with your philosophy, fallacies and "Bodking assertions about everything"!

"Nature doesn’t care about human intuitiveness. It just works the way it does": Humans care
about humans intuitiveness, and that's what only account. Other 8,000 mammal species have
their intuitiveness, which keep them alive and, mostly, happy. Nature is EVERYTHING around us
and works in a xyzt flat euclidean world and we evolve as the only specie on Earth that, feeling
that and BELIEVING in that evolved from the ancient Sumerians up to these days, except a
mutating branch (born by 1915) that started to messing up the concept of gravity by twisting
xyz space and morphing it into a riemannian donut, a Moebius ring or a Homer Simpson's bridge
from 2D to 3D. Humans compare their clocks while talking half-way the world, and don't feel
(never will) time dilation, length contraction or that he/she is slipping in a geodesic instead of
a direct path towards ground when they fall and hit the floor.

> > He KNEW that he was selling crap: Space bends under gravity, but you CAN'T SEE IT.
> So WHAT? You can’t see a radio wave, either. You can’t see a gene. You
> can’t see tectonic migration. You can’t see hybrid orbitals. But there are
> observable consequences of all of these things, including the curvature of
> spacetime. Being apparent to human senses is even LESS of a criterion of
> validity than human intuitiveness.

I can see, feel and even measure radiowaves using a 30$ field meter. I can easily accept
tectonic migration, the existence of genes or any other thing that doesn't violate my xyzt
vision of the world. What I can't accept is, because of fucking mathematics that a bunch
of bored people (Gauss, Riemann, Ricci, Levi-Civita) INVENTED for their pleasure to
mathematical describe non-euclidean contours BE APPLIED BY A DESPERATE FUCKER
to replace forces with fields in his quest for immortality, by dethroning Newton. Also,
not a believer in gravitational waves, which travel the Universe temporarily warping space
like more and more CGI based movies and series are pestering the MSM.

> > And I affirm this
> > because mathematics FORCED ME to think in this way. It's not me, it's the mathematics!
> >
> > But mathematics IS NOT PHYSICS, Jan. And never will.
> >
> > You can display any kind of mathematical witchery from your kit, but I
> > won't drink your magic potion.

> What Jan described is not witchcraft. He described the simple mathematical
> steps that show you why a term becomes more obviously necessary in an
> equation, using Ward identities of differential geometry. This is no more
> complicated than making sure a solution of an integral equation includes
> the constant of integration. That’s a mathematical rule, but ignoring it is
> a fine way to introduce mistakes in your answers.

Of course it's not witchcraft! It's mathematics, an incredible development based on
human curiosity about ABSTRACT relationships derived from written formulae and
graphics, which evolved from post-newtonian calculus and geometry. But it has its
domain of applicability, which is within mathematics.

Any attempt to link abstract and complex non-linear mathematics to the physical
xyzt world, changing the substance of space and time is heretical and degenerative.

> > And this is a fight between human reason and indoctrination (by force or
> > by mathematics, which is not physics).

> No, it’s not a fight between reason and indoctrination. It’s a fight
> between intuition without reference to experimental results, and good
> science with reference to experimental results. What you call reason is not
> reason — it is instead clinging to the familiar and practiced. What you are
> demanding is the bias toward staying with what you know and what has worked
> for you so far, and only switching to something new and foreign if forced..
> Such a mentality suits engineers well, but is not how scientists think.

Read previous comment. And engineers fill a so needed role, as MS doctors that
provide cure for insanity brought by some mind-fucked physicists.

<snip>

> > And yet, such sterile theory makes the winner of the contest on GR the
> > Emperor of Sciences, and forever?
> Nobody has given GR that moniker except you and a few other adoring
> laypeople who like hero worshipping language.

In December 1930, Einstein visited America for the second time, ........
After arriving in New York City, Einstein was taken to various places and events, ......
During the days following, he was given the keys to the city by Mayor Jimmy Walker
and met the president of Columbia University, who described Einstein
as "THE RULING MONARCH OF THE MIND".[108]

<snip>

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 10:41:41 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz frothed at the mouth:
>What I can't accept

No one gives a shit about what you can't "accept", demented old fart

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 1:52:46 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:

<snip>

> I didn't know that the fucker was a racist! i knew that he did horrible comments about China, but
> this is a translation of part of this article, written years ago:
> > Las cartas de Albert Einstein desde Sudamérica: críticas a Buenos Aires y fascinación con Montevideo
> > https://www.infobae.com/america/historia-america/2019/03/10/las-cartas-de-albert-einstein-desde-sudamerica-criticas-a-buenos-aires-y-fascinacion-con-montevideo/

> On the 6th he gave a conference at the Engineers Club, where "communication was impossible for acoustic reasons"
> derived from the "noises" coming from the street. (NOTE: In Rio de Janeiro)
>
> "Little scientific sense" had this meeting for the German physicist. So little that he was provoked by one of those politically
> incorrect comments: " Here, I am a kind of WHITE ELEFANT for others," he noted, "and they are like MONKEYS to me ."

That was the essence of the fucker that butt-fucked the world and also any colleague who liked it: an arrogant, self-entitled,
despicable pervert (and supremely ignorant) who really believed that hr was above everyone else, because the world cheered
the one who sold to them the GREATEST LIE IN HISTORY OF PHYSICS.

Fuck him and fuck you, Dono (in advance for your mandatory reply).

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 10:53:13 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> I am an arrogant, self-entitled,
> despicable pervert (and supremely ignorant) who really believes that I am above everyone else,

....but in reality you are just a pathetic crank

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 1:49:40 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> There’s no reason TO despise this. Nature doesn’t care about human
>> intuitiveness. It just works the way it does, and so appealing to
>> intuitiveness is only going to work by accident of history. This is why
>> experiment, not intuitiveness, is the measure of validity. If an idea is
>> strange, it is nevertheless validated if experimental tests bear it out.
>
> There you go again with your philosophy, fallacies and "Bodking
> assertions about everything"!
>
> "Nature doesn’t care about human intuitiveness. It just works the way it does": Humans care
> about humans intuitiveness, and that's what only account.

Bullshit, and completely counter to science. Anti-science screeds are just
noise here.

> Other 8,000 mammal species have
> their intuitiveness, which keep them alive and, mostly, happy.

That’s the domain of common experience and “common sense”, the rules engine
that transforms everyday experience into predictions of likely outcomes in
other everyday experiences. That’s a survival strategy and what those other
species do. Humans do more than that, and it’s the MORE that distinguishes
us from those other mammals. Those other mammals do not need language to
capture concepts like “honesty” or “atom” or “invariant” or “field”.

> Nature is EVERYTHING around us
> and works in a xyzt flat euclidean world and we evolve as the only specie
> on Earth that, feeling
> that and BELIEVING in that evolved from the ancient Sumerians up to these days,

Well, there you go, employing the anti-science screed that if it isn’t
obvious to human intuition, then it’s wrong.

> except a
> mutating branch (born by 1915) that started to messing up the concept of
> gravity by twisting
> xyz space and morphing it into a riemannian donut,
> a Moebius ring or a Homer Simpson's bridge
> from 2D to 3D. Humans compare their clocks while talking half-way the
> world, and don't feel
> (never will) time dilation, length contraction
> or that he/she is slipping in a geodesic instead of
> a direct path towards ground when they fall and hit the floor.
>
>>> He KNEW that he was selling crap: Space bends under gravity, but you CAN'T SEE IT.
>> So WHAT? You can’t see a radio wave, either. You can’t see a gene. You
>> can’t see tectonic migration. You can’t see hybrid orbitals. But there are
>> observable consequences of all of these things, including the curvature of
>> spacetime. Being apparent to human senses is even LESS of a criterion of
>> validity than human intuitiveness.
>
> I can see, feel and even measure radiowaves using a 30$ field meter.

No, you are not seeing or feeling the radio waves. You are using a trusted
CONSEQUENCE of the idea of radio waves that makes a needle move or a number
change on a meter. You do not feel current when you use an ammeter either,
though you can feel current if you put a 9V battery on your tongue.

> I can easily accept
> tectonic migration, the existence of genes or any other thing that doesn't violate my xyzt
> vision of the world.

Ah, so once again your standard of truth is what is CONSISTENT with your
preconceived worldview. If there is something inconsistent with that
worldview, then it is nonsense and dangerous. Someone with that attitude is
now incapable of learning an anything surprising, and in fact is shielding
himself against surprise. You might as well be a creationist.

> What I can't accept is, because of fucking mathematics that a bunch
> of bored people (Gauss, Riemann, Ricci, Levi-Civita) INVENTED for their pleasure to
> mathematical describe non-euclidean contours BE APPLIED BY A DESPERATE FUCKER
> to replace forces with fields in his quest for immortality, by dethroning Newton. Also,
> not a believer in gravitational waves, which travel the Universe temporarily warping space
> like more and more CGI based movies and series are pestering the MSM.
>
>>> And I affirm this
>>> because mathematics FORCED ME to think in this way. It's not me, it's the mathematics!
>>>
>>> But mathematics IS NOT PHYSICS, Jan. And never will.
>>>
>>> You can display any kind of mathematical witchery from your kit, but I
>>> won't drink your magic potion.
>
>> What Jan described is not witchcraft. He described the simple mathematical
>> steps that show you why a term becomes more obviously necessary in an
>> equation, using Ward identities of differential geometry. This is no more
>> complicated than making sure a solution of an integral equation includes
>> the constant of integration. That’s a mathematical rule, but ignoring it is
>> a fine way to introduce mistakes in your answers.
>
> Of course it's not witchcraft! It's mathematics, an incredible development based on
> human curiosity about ABSTRACT relationships derived from written formulae and
> graphics, which evolved from post-newtonian calculus and geometry. But it has its
> domain of applicability, which is within mathematics.

Don’t be an idiot. Engineers use mathematics all the time.

>
> Any attempt to link abstract and complex non-linear mathematics to the physical
> xyzt world, changing the substance of space and time is heretical and degenerative.

Heretical? You mean, like questioning geocentrism was heretical? Like those
good learned people who refused to look through Galileo’s telescope because
they were positive that there were no moons orbiting Jupiter? That kind of
heretical?

>
>>> And this is a fight between human reason and indoctrination (by force or
>>> by mathematics, which is not physics).
>
>> No, it’s not a fight between reason and indoctrination. It’s a fight
>> between intuition without reference to experimental results, and good
>> science with reference to experimental results. What you call reason is not
>> reason — it is instead clinging to the familiar and practiced. What you are
>> demanding is the bias toward staying with what you know and what has worked
>> for you so far, and only switching to something new and foreign if forced.
>> Such a mentality suits engineers well, but is not how scientists think.
>
> Read previous comment. And engineers fill a so needed role, as MS doctors that
> provide cure for insanity brought by some mind-fucked physicists.

And as I mentioned, anti-science screeds don’t amount to anything but noise
here.

>
> <snip>
>
>>> And yet, such sterile theory makes the winner of the contest on GR the
>>> Emperor of Sciences, and forever?
>> Nobody has given GR that moniker except you and a few other adoring
>> laypeople who like hero worshipping language.
>
> In December 1930, Einstein visited America for the second time, ........
> After arriving in New York City, Einstein was taken to various places and events, ......
> During the days following, he was given the keys to the city by Mayor Jimmy Walker
> and met the president of Columbia University, who described Einstein
> as "THE RULING MONARCH OF THE MIND".[108]

The mayor of the city is a fine example of an adoring layperson. Your
attempts to bitch about crowd adulation are pissing upwind. Good luck with
that. That trip, by the way, was a fundraiser for Hebrew University, and
for fundraisers you need a heroic champion. Einstein himself remarked, “I
had to let myself be shown around like a prize ox, speak countless times in
large and small assemblies, deliver countless scientific lectures. It’s a
miracle that I endured it.” Your complaint is with the people lifting up
the hero, not with the person being lifted up. Take your anti-hero polemics
to those doing that ceremony. While you’re at it, go after the people
adoring Steve Jobs and Elon Musk.

The president of Columbia at the time was Nicholas Murray Butler, who was a
“philosopher, diplomat, and educator.” He later earned the Nobel Peace
Prize for promoting international law and the International Court. Not a
physicist.

>
> <snip>
>

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