On Wednesday, 22 September 2021 at 21:11:10 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 1:49:40 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> There’s no reason TO despise this. Nature doesn’t care about human
> >> intuitiveness. It just works the way it does, and so appealing to
> >> intuitiveness is only going to work by accident of history. This is why
> >> experiment, not intuitiveness, is the measure of validity. If an idea is
> >> strange, it is nevertheless validated if experimental tests bear it out.
> >
> > There you go again with your philosophy, fallacies and "Bodking
> > assertions about everything"!
> >
> > "Nature doesn’t care about human intuitiveness. It just works the way it does": Humans care
> > about humans intuitiveness, and that's what only account.
> Bullshit, and completely counter to science.

An idiot woodworker has said; how could he be wrong?

> > Other 8,000 mammal species have
> > their intuitiveness, which keep them alive and, mostly, happy.
> That’s the domain of common experience and “common sense”, the rules engine
> that transforms everyday experience into predictions of likely outcomes in
> other everyday experiences.

Sure, Odd. Domain of common experience. That helps us to
recognize an insane crank when we see him; it's a part of
common exeperience, isn't it?
That's why your idiot guru had to cast curses on common sense.

> Humans do more than that, and it’s the MORE that distinguishes
> us from those other mammals. Those other mammals do not need language to
> capture concepts like “honesty” or “atom” or “invariant” or “field”.

What do you say, Odd? NATURE not catching such concepts?
Only humans? Could it be related with this anti-science human
intuitiveness somehow?

> And as I mentioned, anti-science screeds don’t amount to anything but noise
> here.

And whoever is against poor idiot Odd Bodkin must be anti-science!
Science and Odd Bodkin is almost the same thing; that's obvious!

Am 22.09.2021 um 08:01 schrieb Richard Hertz:
....
>
> * In February 1933, while on a visit to the United States, Einstein knew he could not return to Germany.
> * Upon landing in Antwerp, Belgium on 28 March, Einstein immediately went to the German consulate and surrendered
> his passport, formally renouncing his German citizenship.

As far as I know, Einstein was a Swiss citizen, because Germany didn't
allow multiple citizenships at that time.

> * In late July 1933, he went to England for about six weeks at the personal invitation of British naval officer Commander
> Oliver Locker-Lampson, who took Einstein to meet Winston Churchill at his home, and later, Austen Chamberlain and
> former Prime Minister Lloyd George. Locker-Lampson submitted a bill to parliament to extend British citizenship to Einstein

One of the people in history that I dislike the most was Winston Churchill.

Churchill was also relatively related to the Nazis, because his niece
Unity Valkyrie Mitford was Hitler's girlfriend.

The name 'Chamberlain' had also a connection to the Nazis, because it
was the nephew of the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain by the
name Houston Steward Chamberlain, who was the leading theoretician of
the German Nazi party.

Who 'Austen Chamberlain' was, I don't know, but most likely one of the
same ilk.

> * In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a position at the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
> become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein became an American citizen in 1940.

As he had no German citizenship, but Swiss, you could hardly call him
'German refugee'.

Also 'going into the own embassy and handing over the own passport' is
not quite, what refugees usually do.

TH

Thomas Heger wrote:

>> * Upon landing in Antwerp, Belgium on 28 March, Einstein immediately
>> went to the German consulate and surrendered
>> his passport, formally renouncing his German citizenship.
>
> As far as I know, Einstein was a Swiss citizen, because Germany didn't
> allow multiple citizenships at that time.

so true, you have to go take down the riches, my friend. Guillotine,
hanging etc, there are no alternatives.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OgZ5kGEHKeVr/
Kristalina Georgieva - 'This year, next year, vaccine policy is economic
policy'

On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 5:27:26 AM UTC-3, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 22.09.2021 um 08:01 schrieb Richard Hertz:
> ...
> >
> > * In February 1933, while on a visit to the United States, Einstein knew he could not return to Germany.
> > * Upon landing in Antwerp, Belgium on 28 March, Einstein immediately went to the German consulate and surrendered
> > his passport, formally renouncing his German citizenship.
> As far as I know, Einstein was a Swiss citizen, because Germany didn't
> allow multiple citizenships at that time.
> > * In late July 1933, he went to England for about six weeks at the personal invitation of British naval officer Commander
> > Oliver Locker-Lampson, who took Einstein to meet Winston Churchill at his home, and later, Austen Chamberlain and
> > former Prime Minister Lloyd George. Locker-Lampson submitted a bill to parliament to extend British citizenship to Einstein
> One of the people in history that I dislike the most was Winston Churchill.
>
> Churchill was also relatively related to the Nazis, because his niece
> Unity Valkyrie Mitford was Hitler's girlfriend.
>
> The name 'Chamberlain' had also a connection to the Nazis, because it
> was the nephew of the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain by the
> name Houston Steward Chamberlain, who was the leading theoretician of
> the German Nazi party.
>
> Who 'Austen Chamberlain' was, I don't know, but most likely one of the
> same ilk.
> > * In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a position at the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
> > become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein became an American citizen in 1940.
> As he had no German citizenship, but Swiss, you could hardly call him
> 'German refugee'.
>
> Also 'going into the own embassy and handing over the own passport' is
> not quite, what refugees usually do.
>
> TH

I didn't invented a single word. I cite the Wikipedia link about this information:

From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#1921%E2%80%931922:_Travels_abroad

And, I THINK that he was forced to regain his german citizenship in order to be a professor at the
University of Berlin, by Planck's mediation.

On 9/24/2021 4:27 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 22.09.2021 um 08:01 schrieb Richard Hertz:
> ...
>>
>> * In February 1933, while on a visit to the United States, Einstein
>> knew he could not return to Germany.
>> * Upon landing in Antwerp, Belgium on 28 March, Einstein immediately
>> went to the German consulate and surrendered
>>     his passport, formally renouncing his German citizenship.
>
> As far as I know, Einstein was a Swiss citizen, because Germany didn't
> allow multiple citizenships at that time.

All that matters was whether he was considered a German citizen under
German law at the time. Not recognizing dual citizenship typically
would mean that Germany would not recognize him as being a Swiss citizen
while in/dealing with Germany.

I qualify for Canadian citizenship under Canadian law. Canada
recognizes dual citizenship, the US does not. If I apply for and am
granted Canadian citizenship, the US will not disown me. (I've heard
the opposite in fact, people who renounced US citizenship still have the
US tax people trying to tax their "foreign" income because they're...US
citizens!) The US simply wouldn't recognize my claim to be a Canadian
citizen unless I renounced US citizenship. (and maybe not even then)

<snip conspiracy theories>

>> * In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a position
>> at the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
>>     become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein
>> became an American citizen in 1940.
>
> As he had no German citizenship, but Swiss, you could hardly call him
> 'German refugee'.

He had, and turned in, a German passport, so Germany considered him a
citizen (until then, but see above).
>
> Also 'going into the own embassy and handing over the own passport' is
> not quite, what refugees usually do.

Obviously a statement of protest. Having a German passport, Germany
considered him a citizen. He wanted to be sure that was no longer so.
As far as refugee status, it would depend on whether the US believed
that if he returned to Germany that he would at risk of being killed or
abused by the government, under the refugee rules at the time. In 1933
the Nazis hadn't started up their exterminations yet, but they already
made it clear what they wanted to do with Jews, including Jews by birth.

On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 9:12:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 9/24/2021 4:27 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > Am 22.09.2021 um 08:01 schrieb Richard Hertz:
> > ...
> >>
> >> * In February 1933, while on a visit to the United States, Einstein
> >> knew he could not return to Germany.
> >> * Upon landing in Antwerp, Belgium on 28 March, Einstein immediately
> >> went to the German consulate and surrendered
> >> his passport, formally renouncing his German citizenship.
> >
> > As far as I know, Einstein was a Swiss citizen, because Germany didn't
> > allow multiple citizenships at that time.
> All that matters was whether he was considered a German citizen under
> German law at the time. Not recognizing dual citizenship typically
> would mean that Germany would not recognize him as being a Swiss citizen
> while in/dealing with Germany.
>
> I qualify for Canadian citizenship under Canadian law. Canada
> recognizes dual citizenship, the US does not.

Really? This law must be completely non-enforced then because I know
many dual citizens in the US. The only requirement is that they present their
US passport when crossing the US border (which is probably a common
requirement by countries even officially recognising dual citizenship).

> If I apply for

You should. But I digress...

> and am
> granted Canadian citizenship, the US will not disown me. (I've heard
> the opposite in fact, people who renounced US citizenship still have the
> US tax people trying to tax their "foreign" income because they're...US
> citizens!)

No, this means they didn't clear their relationship with the IRS when they
renounced their citizenship (the two are not automatically connected).
What happens is that if you renounce the US citizenship, or even simply
leave after years of (green card) residency, then it's up to you if you
want the IRS to still treat you as subject to the US tax law or not.
If you choose to sever that connection, the IRS will do so after
imposing the "exit tax" on you which is related to the amount of
capital gains tax you might owe - it's all rather Byzantine. But after
the "exit tax", it's all done.

--
Jan

On 9/24/2021 2:25 PM, JanPB wrote:
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 9:12:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 9/24/2021 4:27 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 22.09.2021 um 08:01 schrieb Richard Hertz:
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> * In February 1933, while on a visit to the United States, Einstein
>>>> knew he could not return to Germany.
>>>> * Upon landing in Antwerp, Belgium on 28 March, Einstein immediately
>>>> went to the German consulate and surrendered
>>>> his passport, formally renouncing his German citizenship.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, Einstein was a Swiss citizen, because Germany didn't
>>> allow multiple citizenships at that time.
>> All that matters was whether he was considered a German citizen under
>> German law at the time. Not recognizing dual citizenship typically
>> would mean that Germany would not recognize him as being a Swiss citizen
>> while in/dealing with Germany.
>>
>> I qualify for Canadian citizenship under Canadian law. Canada
>> recognizes dual citizenship, the US does not.
>
> Really? This law must be completely non-enforced then because I know
> many dual citizens in the US. The only requirement is that they present their
> US passport when crossing the US border (which is probably a common
> requirement by countries even officially recognising dual citizenship).

From what I understand, the US *officially* doesn't recognize dual
citizenship but more informally they know other countries allow it (esp.
Canada) and they don't really forbid it or much connected to it.

>
>> If I apply for
>
> You should. But I digress...

I did, actually. It was returned because I didn't do two things
correctly and I haven't reapplied. Yet.

Coincidentally, I found out about my eligibility the day of the Capitol
riot which motivated me to take action.

>> and am
>> granted Canadian citizenship, the US will not disown me. (I've heard
>> the opposite in fact, people who renounced US citizenship still have the
>> US tax people trying to tax their "foreign" income because they're...US
>> citizens!)
>
> No, this means they didn't clear their relationship with the IRS when they
> renounced their citizenship (the two are not automatically connected).
> What happens is that if you renounce the US citizenship, or even simply
> leave after years of (green card) residency, then it's up to you if you
> want the IRS to still treat you as subject to the US tax law or not.
> If you choose to sever that connection, the IRS will do so after
> imposing the "exit tax" on you which is related to the amount of
> capital gains tax you might owe - it's all rather Byzantine. But after
> the "exit tax", it's all done.
>
Maybe. I just heard of stories of people who (supposedly) renounced US
citizenship, who haven't been to the US in decades and with no US based
income being hounded by the IRS for taxes on their "foreign" earnings.
For all I know, their "renouncing" US citizenship was only sending some
statement to the State Dept. (possibly including passport) saying "I
renounce US citizenship". As in not doing that "exit tax" stuff which I
never heard of before.

Am I the greatest physicists? alive or ever lived. I am so great I feel like peeing in your face.

ha ha ha ho ho

On 9/24/2021 6:31 PM, carl eto wrote:
> Am I the greatest physicists? alive or ever lived. I am so great I feel like peeing in your face.
>
Oh great, yet another example of a NPD victim.

You're the greatest? Get in line along with all the other "greatest".

On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:45:10 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 9/24/2021 6:31 PM, carl eto wrote:
> > Am I the greatest physicists? alive or ever lived. I am so great I feel like peeing in your face.
> >
> Oh great, yet another example of a NPD victim.
>
> You're the greatest? Get in line along with all the other "greatest".

Are Maxwell equations luminous? I'm sorry that I insulted you for calling you stupid because I thought you already knew.

On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 4:49:35 PM UTC-7, carl eto wrote:
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:45:10 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > On 9/24/2021 6:31 PM, carl eto wrote:
> > > Am I the greatest physicists? alive or ever lived. I am so great I feel like peeing in your face.
> > >
> > Oh great, yet another example of a NPD victim.
> >
> > You're the greatest? Get in line along with all the other "greatest".
> Are Maxwell equations luminous? I'm sorry that I insulted you for calling you stupid because I thought you already knew.

The vaccine could be a fake as your physics and astronomy. 3,145 deaths today. Wow and the media is ignoring the total covid-19 deaths usa.

Am 24.09.2021 um 17:32 schrieb Richard Hertz:

>> One of the people in history that I dislike the most was Winston Churchill.
>>
>> Churchill was also relatively related to the Nazis, because his niece
>> Unity Valkyrie Mitford was Hitler's girlfriend.

Churchill was a real 'son of a bitch':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxFaWrvgneQ

>> The name 'Chamberlain' had also a connection to the Nazis, because it
>> was the nephew of the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain by the
>> name Houston Steward Chamberlain, who was the leading theoretician of
>> the German Nazi party.

"The architect of the Holocaust was an Englishman called Houston Stewart
Chamberlain"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoRzqKZ3q8Y

But the most important fact was not mentioned in the video: he was the
nephew of the British Prime minister.

>> Who 'Austen Chamberlain' was, I don't know, but most likely one of the
>> same ilk.
>>> * In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a position at the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
>>> become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein became an American citizen in 1940.
>> As he had no German citizenship, but Swiss, you could hardly call him
>> 'German refugee'.
>>
>> Also 'going into the own embassy and handing over the own passport' is
>> not quite, what refugees usually do.
>>
>> TH
>
>
> I didn't invented a single word. I cite the Wikipedia link about this information:
>
>
> From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#1921%E2%80%931922:_Travels_abroad
>
> And, I THINK that he was forced to regain his german citizenship in order to be a professor at the
> University of Berlin, by Planck's mediation.
>
I actually think, that Einstein had a number of passport from various
countries.

But Germany didn't allow multiple citizenships for a long time, hence
with becoming Swiss citizen he lost German citizenship automatically.

He had actually citizenship of the Kingdom of Würtemberg and later moved
to Munich, which was the capital of the adjacent Kingdom of Bavaria
e.

At least he had Swiss citizenship and later US-citizenship, too.

After the foundation of Israel, they offered him the position of the
president of Israel there, hence he would also need to have citizenship
of Israel. (Einstein, thanked, but declined that offer).

He also had UK citizenship, I heard.

Possibly he also had still Italian citizenship, because he went as
teenager together with his family to Padua.

I'm a little insecure about his actually status and from which countries
he got passports. But in any case, you could hardly call him 'refugee',
because he could have easily gone to USA, UK, Israel or Swiss and number
of other countries.

TH

On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:25:11 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 9/24/2021 2:25 PM, JanPB wrote:
> > On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 9:12:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>
> >> If I apply for
> >
> > You should. But I digress...
> I did, actually. It was returned because I didn't do two things
> correctly and I haven't reapplied. Yet.
>
> Coincidentally, I found out about my eligibility the day of the Capitol
> riot which motivated me to take action.

> >> and am
> >> granted Canadian citizenship, the US will not disown me. (I've heard
> >> the opposite in fact, people who renounced US citizenship still have the
> >> US tax people trying to tax their "foreign" income because they're...US
> >> citizens!)
> >
> > No, this means they didn't clear their relationship with the IRS when they
> > renounced their citizenship (the two are not automatically connected).
> > What happens is that if you renounce the US citizenship, or even simply
> > leave after years of (green card) residency, then it's up to you if you
> > want the IRS to still treat you as subject to the US tax law or not.
> > If you choose to sever that connection, the IRS will do so after
> > imposing the "exit tax" on you which is related to the amount of
> > capital gains tax you might owe - it's all rather Byzantine. But after
> > the "exit tax", it's all done.
> >
> Maybe. I just heard of stories of people who (supposedly) renounced US
> citizenship, who haven't been to the US in decades and with no US based
> income being hounded by the IRS for taxes on their "foreign" earnings.

Yes, exactly. That's because they didn't go through the exit tax song-and-dance.
It has to be requested separately from the renouncement process.
America is the only country which taxes based on citizenship rather than
residence which is what creates this problem. The root cause of it is the
constant refusal by the US gov't to close the tax loopholes which is THE
reason for the gov't revenue shortages. Instead, they attempt to patch the
revenue holes by chasing poor people and low-level millionaires (6-7 digits)
to the last corners of the Earth and devoting extraordinary energy to
microscopic irrelevancies, like the secret Swiss bank accounts whose
"opening" has brought a *one-time* pitiful amount of far less than
1 billion USD IIRC. IOW, the entire Swiss operation was a total waste
of time that only created a lot of bad blood internationally.
Meanwhile, *every year* billions are lost due to entities like GE or
Amazon paying zero taxes (last year one of them (I forget) even got
a small return).

On top of that Obama added new tax laws that affected families of
US citizens abroad to such extent that the result was a record number
of US citizenship renouncements. There was a series of articles about that
at the WSJ at the time. Not because people "don't want to pay taxes" but
because the new law made their lives impossible. There is a video on YT
of Terry Gilliam explaining why he renounced US citizenship and it was
after his lawyer called him up and said something like: "Oh, by the way,
according to the new law if a car runs you over tomorrow, your family
may not be able to keep their home".

> For all I know, their "renouncing" US citizenship was only sending some
> statement to the State Dept. (possibly including passport) saying "I
> renounce US citizenship". As in not doing that "exit tax" stuff which I
> never heard of before.

Yes, the exit tax is the real thing. I'm not sure it's always imposed but
the IRS has to be contacted separately regarding the wish to permanently
sever the connection. It's not automatic.

--
Jan

On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:03:28 AM UTC-3, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 24.09.2021 um 17:32 schrieb Richard Hertz:
>
> >> One of the people in history that I dislike the most was Winston Churchill.
> >>
> >> Churchill was also relatively related to the Nazis, because his niece
> >> Unity Valkyrie Mitford was Hitler's girlfriend.
> Churchill was a real 'son of a bitch':
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxFaWrvgneQ
> >> The name 'Chamberlain' had also a connection to the Nazis, because it
> >> was the nephew of the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain by the
> >> name Houston Steward Chamberlain, who was the leading theoretician of
> >> the German Nazi party.
> "The architect of the Holocaust was an Englishman called Houston Stewart
> Chamberlain"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoRzqKZ3q8Y
>
> But the most important fact was not mentioned in the video: he was the
> nephew of the British Prime minister.
> >> Who 'Austen Chamberlain' was, I don't know, but most likely one of the
> >> same ilk.
> >>> * In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a position at the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
> >>> become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein became an American citizen in 1940.
> >> As he had no German citizenship, but Swiss, you could hardly call him
> >> 'German refugee'.
> >>
> >> Also 'going into the own embassy and handing over the own passport' is
> >> not quite, what refugees usually do.
> >>
> >> TH
> >
> >
> > I didn't invented a single word. I cite the Wikipedia link about this information:
> >
> >
> > From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#1921%E2%80%931922:_Travels_abroad
> >
> > And, I THINK that he was forced to regain his german citizenship in order to be a professor at the
> > University of Berlin, by Planck's mediation.
> >
> I actually think, that Einstein had a number of passport from various
> countries.
>
> But Germany didn't allow multiple citizenships for a long time, hence
> with becoming Swiss citizen he lost German citizenship automatically.
>
> He had actually citizenship of the Kingdom of Würtemberg and later moved
> to Munich, which was the capital of the adjacent Kingdom of Bavaria
> e.
>
> At least he had Swiss citizenship and later US-citizenship, too.
>
> After the foundation of Israel, they offered him the position of the
> president of Israel there, hence he would also need to have citizenship
> of Israel. (Einstein, thanked, but declined that offer).
>
> He also had UK citizenship, I heard.
>
> Possibly he also had still Italian citizenship, because he went as
> teenager together with his family to Padua.
>
> I'm a little insecure about his actually status and from which countries
> he got passports. But in any case, you could hardly call him 'refugee',
> because he could have easily gone to USA, UK, Israel or Swiss and number
> of other countries.
>
>
> TH

It doesn't matter how many passports he had. Probably had an Argentinian also.

He was a con man. Since 1904 he was selected, risen to stardom by fake means, used and
spitted like an olive stone when the establishment was done with him. He got a sweet
retirement, as every US president has after his period. Everyone is almost billionaire, with
1M$ per speech. Check Clinton or Obama: they were almost unknown before being selected
by hand, with a very small net worth. Check them now. Obama's net worth is above 100 millions.

You can fact-check it. Einstein, 115 years ago, started a journey like any one of them. He was "in".
Main reason? To dethrone Newton as a symbol of the UK empire. But it isn't so easy.

On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 12:24:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:03:28 AM UTC-3, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > Am 24.09.2021 um 17:32 schrieb Richard Hertz:
> >
> > >> One of the people in history that I dislike the most was Winston Churchill.
> > >>
> > >> Churchill was also relatively related to the Nazis, because his niece
> > >> Unity Valkyrie Mitford was Hitler's girlfriend.
> > Churchill was a real 'son of a bitch':
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxFaWrvgneQ
> > >> The name 'Chamberlain' had also a connection to the Nazis, because it
> > >> was the nephew of the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain by the
> > >> name Houston Steward Chamberlain, who was the leading theoretician of
> > >> the German Nazi party.
> > "The architect of the Holocaust was an Englishman called Houston Stewart
> > Chamberlain"
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoRzqKZ3q8Y
> >
> > But the most important fact was not mentioned in the video: he was the
> > nephew of the British Prime minister.
> > >> Who 'Austen Chamberlain' was, I don't know, but most likely one of the
> > >> same ilk.
> > >>> * In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a position at the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
> > >>> become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein became an American citizen in 1940.
> > >> As he had no German citizenship, but Swiss, you could hardly call him
> > >> 'German refugee'.
> > >>
> > >> Also 'going into the own embassy and handing over the own passport' is
> > >> not quite, what refugees usually do.
> > >>
> > >> TH
> > >
> > >
> > > I didn't invented a single word. I cite the Wikipedia link about this information:
> > >
> > >
> > > From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#1921%E2%80%931922:_Travels_abroad
> > >
> > > And, I THINK that he was forced to regain his german citizenship in order to be a professor at the
> > > University of Berlin, by Planck's mediation.
> > >
> > I actually think, that Einstein had a number of passport from various
> > countries.
> >
> > But Germany didn't allow multiple citizenships for a long time, hence
> > with becoming Swiss citizen he lost German citizenship automatically.
> >
> > He had actually citizenship of the Kingdom of Würtemberg and later moved
> > to Munich, which was the capital of the adjacent Kingdom of Bavaria
> > e.
> >
> > At least he had Swiss citizenship and later US-citizenship, too.
> >
> > After the foundation of Israel, they offered him the position of the
> > president of Israel there, hence he would also need to have citizenship
> > of Israel. (Einstein, thanked, but declined that offer).
> >
> > He also had UK citizenship, I heard.
> >
> > Possibly he also had still Italian citizenship, because he went as
> > teenager together with his family to Padua.
> >
> > I'm a little insecure about his actually status and from which countries
> > he got passports. But in any case, you could hardly call him 'refugee',
> > because he could have easily gone to USA, UK, Israel or Swiss and number
> > of other countries.
> >
> >
> > TH
> It doesn't matter how many passports he had. Probably had an Argentinian also.
>
> He was a con man. Since 1904 he was selected, risen to stardom by fake means,

You keep repeating idiocies and lies and I keep repeating calling you an idiot.

> used and
> spitted like an olive stone when the establishment was done with him.

More Hollywood fiction from you. I admit I've never heard of an "olive stone"
doing "spitting". Does this refer to a manufacturing process of some sort?

> He got a sweet
> retirement, as every US president has after his period. Everyone is almost billionaire, with
> 1M$ per speech. Check Clinton or Obama: they were almost unknown before being selected
> by hand, with a very small net worth. Check them now. Obama's net worth is above 100 millions.

Yes, and paradoxically the only US president in recent memory who actually reduced
his net worth while at the White House was Trump. Kind of ironic.

> You can fact-check it. Einstein, 115 years ago, started a journey like any one of them. He was "in".
> Main reason? To dethrone Newton as a symbol of the UK empire. But it isn't so easy.

Again, your ability to spin a good yarn isn't too bad actually. Get that agent in LA,
I'm sure Hollywood will have no problem with you working remotely in this
day and age.

--
Jan

On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 12:24:21 AM UTC-7, crank Richard Hertz ate some more shit:

> Main reason? To dethrone Newton as a symbol of the UK empire.

He did. And you are eating shit. On a daily basis.

Am 25.09.2021 um 09:24 schrieb Richard Hertz:
> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:03:28 AM UTC-3, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 24.09.2021 um 17:32 schrieb Richard Hertz:
>>
>>>> One of the people in history that I dislike the most was Winston Churchill.
>>>>
>>>> Churchill was also relatively related to the Nazis, because his niece
>>>> Unity Valkyrie Mitford was Hitler's girlfriend.
>> Churchill was a real 'son of a bitch':
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxFaWrvgneQ
>>>> The name 'Chamberlain' had also a connection to the Nazis, because it
>>>> was the nephew of the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain by the
>>>> name Houston Steward Chamberlain, who was the leading theoretician of
>>>> the German Nazi party.
>> "The architect of the Holocaust was an Englishman called Houston Stewart
>> Chamberlain"
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoRzqKZ3q8Y
>>
>> But the most important fact was not mentioned in the video: he was the
>> nephew of the British Prime minister.
>>>> Who 'Austen Chamberlain' was, I don't know, but most likely one of the
>>>> same ilk.
>>>>> * In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a position at the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
>>>>> become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein became an American citizen in 1940.
>>>> As he had no German citizenship, but Swiss, you could hardly call him
>>>> 'German refugee'.
>>>>
>>>> Also 'going into the own embassy and handing over the own passport' is
>>>> not quite, what refugees usually do.
>>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't invented a single word. I cite the Wikipedia link about this information:
>>>
>>>
>>> From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#1921%E2%80%931922:_Travels_abroad
>>>
>>> And, I THINK that he was forced to regain his german citizenship in order to be a professor at the
>>> University of Berlin, by Planck's mediation.
>>>
>> I actually think, that Einstein had a number of passport from various
>> countries.
>>
>> But Germany didn't allow multiple citizenships for a long time, hence
>> with becoming Swiss citizen he lost German citizenship automatically.
>>
>> He had actually citizenship of the Kingdom of Würtemberg and later moved
>> to Munich, which was the capital of the adjacent Kingdom of Bavaria
>> e.
>>
>> At least he had Swiss citizenship and later US-citizenship, too.
>>
>> After the foundation of Israel, they offered him the position of the
>> president of Israel there, hence he would also need to have citizenship
>> of Israel. (Einstein, thanked, but declined that offer).
>>
>> He also had UK citizenship, I heard.
>>
>> Possibly he also had still Italian citizenship, because he went as
>> teenager together with his family to Padua.
>>
>> I'm a little insecure about his actually status and from which countries
>> he got passports. But in any case, you could hardly call him 'refugee',
>> because he could have easily gone to USA, UK, Israel or Swiss and number
>> of other countries.
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> It doesn't matter how many passports he had. Probably had an Argentinian also.
>
> He was a con man. Since 1904 he was selected, risen to stardom by fake means, used and
> spitted like an olive stone when the establishment was done with him. He got a sweet
> retirement, as every US president has after his period. Everyone is almost billionaire, with
> 1M$ per speech. Check Clinton or Obama: they were almost unknown before being selected
> by hand, with a very small net worth. Check them now. Obama's net worth is above 100 millions.
>
> You can fact-check it. Einstein, 115 years ago, started a journey like any one of them. He was "in".
> Main reason? To dethrone Newton as a symbol of the UK empire. But it isn't so easy.
>

Why would anybody want to 'dethrone' Newton?

Newton was actually more like a druid and his main interests were
witchcraft and alchemy.

Whoever wrote 'Principia' was most likely not Newton.

This is a similar phenomenon as Shakespeare. He wrote simply too many
books in too few years and too early in life. So, possibly somethings
wrong with the entire story...

I personally think, that in music, arts, science and literature the fame
and the work are two different things. The work is usually done by
unknown and underpaid homeworkers, while the fame is inherited by spies
and members of secret societies.

TH

TH

Thomas Heger wrote:
....
> Whoever wrote 'Principia' was most likely not Newton.
>
> This is a similar phenomenon as Shakespeare. He wrote simply too many
> books in too few years and too early in life. So, possibly somethings
> wrong with the entire story...

*LOL*

Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> Am 25.09.2021 um 09:24 schrieb Richard Hertz:
>> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:03:28 AM UTC-3, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 24.09.2021 um 17:32 schrieb Richard Hertz:
>>>
>>>>> One of the people in history that I dislike the most was Winston Churchill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Churchill was also relatively related to the Nazis, because his niece
>>>>> Unity Valkyrie Mitford was Hitler's girlfriend.
>>> Churchill was a real 'son of a bitch':
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxFaWrvgneQ
>>>>> The name 'Chamberlain' had also a connection to the Nazis, because it
>>>>> was the nephew of the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain by the
>>>>> name Houston Steward Chamberlain, who was the leading theoretician of
>>>>> the German Nazi party.
>>> "The architect of the Holocaust was an Englishman called Houston Stewart
>>> Chamberlain"
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoRzqKZ3q8Y
>>>
>>> But the most important fact was not mentioned in the video: he was the
>>> nephew of the British Prime minister.
>>>>> Who 'Austen Chamberlain' was, I don't know, but most likely one of the
>>>>> same ilk.
>>>>>> * In October 1933, Einstein returned to the US and took up a
>>>>>> position at the Institute for Advanced Study, noted for having
>>>>>> become a refuge for scientists fleeing Nazi Germany. Einstein became
>>>>>> an American citizen in 1940.
>>>>> As he had no German citizenship, but Swiss, you could hardly call him
>>>>> 'German refugee'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also 'going into the own embassy and handing over the own passport' is
>>>>> not quite, what refugees usually do.
>>>>>
>>>>> TH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I didn't invented a single word. I cite the Wikipedia link about this information:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From Wiki:
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#1921%E2%80%931922:_Travels_abroad
>>>>
>>>> And, I THINK that he was forced to regain his german citizenship in
>>>> order to be a professor at the
>>>> University of Berlin, by Planck's mediation.
>>>>
>>> I actually think, that Einstein had a number of passport from various
>>> countries.
>>>
>>> But Germany didn't allow multiple citizenships for a long time, hence
>>> with becoming Swiss citizen he lost German citizenship automatically.
>>>
>>> He had actually citizenship of the Kingdom of Würtemberg and later moved
>>> to Munich, which was the capital of the adjacent Kingdom of Bavaria
>>> e.
>>>
>>> At least he had Swiss citizenship and later US-citizenship, too.
>>>
>>> After the foundation of Israel, they offered him the position of the
>>> president of Israel there, hence he would also need to have citizenship
>>> of Israel. (Einstein, thanked, but declined that offer).
>>>
>>> He also had UK citizenship, I heard.
>>>
>>> Possibly he also had still Italian citizenship, because he went as
>>> teenager together with his family to Padua.
>>>
>>> I'm a little insecure about his actually status and from which countries
>>> he got passports. But in any case, you could hardly call him 'refugee',
>>> because he could have easily gone to USA, UK, Israel or Swiss and number
>>> of other countries.
>>>
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>> It doesn't matter how many passports he had. Probably had an Argentinian also.
>>
>> He was a con man. Since 1904 he was selected, risen to stardom by fake means, used and
>> spitted like an olive stone when the establishment was done with him. He got a sweet
>> retirement, as every US president has after his period. Everyone is
>> almost billionaire, with
>> 1M$ per speech. Check Clinton or Obama: they were almost unknown before being selected
>> by hand, with a very small net worth. Check them now. Obama's net worth
>> is above 100 millions.
>>
>> You can fact-check it. Einstein, 115 years ago, started a journey like
>> any one of them. He was "in".
>> Main reason? To dethrone Newton as a symbol of the UK empire. But it isn't so easy.
>>
>
> Why would anybody want to 'dethrone' Newton?
>
> Newton was actually more like a druid and his main interests were
> witchcraft and alchemy.
>
> Whoever wrote 'Principia' was most likely not Newton.
>
> This is a similar phenomenon as Shakespeare. He wrote simply too many
> books in too few years and too early in life. So, possibly somethings
> wrong with the entire story...

You have a real problem believing that some people are extraordinarily
capable in ways that you cannot produce yourself.

>
> I personally think, that in music, arts, science and literature the fame
> and the work are two different things. The work is usually done by
> unknown and underpaid homeworkers, while the fame is inherited by spies
> and members of secret societies.
>
>
> TH
>
>
> TH
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Python wrote:

> Thomas Heger wrote:
> ...
>> Whoever wrote 'Principia' was most likely not Newton.
>> This is a similar phenomenon as Shakespeare. He wrote simply too many
>> books in too few years and too early in life. So, possibly somethings
>> wrong with the entire story...
>
> *LOL*

pro made, I am wondering where it comes from. France will disappear.

There's a Storm Coming
https://www.bitchute.com/video/i8tnCLrkd2Iz/

Proofs of past shifts are all over the world. Modern Scientist try their
best to hide it. Will people wake up before it's too late for them?

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> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-4, Ho Im wrote:
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>
> Spam reported. I incite others to do the same.

Where's the spam you fucking stupid?? You dont undrestand scientific
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Am 29.09.2021 um 17:56 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
....
>>
>> Why would anybody want to 'dethrone' Newton?
>>
>> Newton was actually more like a druid and his main interests were
>> witchcraft and alchemy.
>>
>> Whoever wrote 'Principia' was most likely not Newton.
>>
>> This is a similar phenomenon as Shakespeare. He wrote simply too many
>> books in too few years and too early in life. So, possibly somethings
>> wrong with the entire story...
>
> You have a real problem believing that some people are extraordinarily
> capable in ways that you cannot produce yourself.

I have absolutely no problem with the idea of extraordinarily capable
people.

For instance Nicola Tesla was such a guy or Henry Poincare.

But Newton was IMHO not and most likely he did not write 'Principia',
but only borrowed his name.

The things which 'smells' about Newton's story is this:

usually the good work of a theoretical physicist come late in life and
not in the middle (much less as a twen). But Newton alledgely wrote the
Principia with about fourty and that was simply it with his productivity.

But if you are so smart as Newton, you do not simply stop to become
smarter, if you're not even fifty.

The reason for the need of age is, that some kind of wisdom needs time
to develop and that in turn needs a large number of lived years.

All knowledge is not aquired by sleeping on books, but by reading them.
You need to think about things, before you unstand them. And to
understand current knowledge is a requirement, before you can build new
ideas.

So, the good guys in theoretical physics are old.

If someone pops up and presents something revolutionary without being
even thirty, than we can be almost certain, that he (most likely, but
there were a few shes) was not the author.

It makes sense to assume, that ill paid homeworkers are the actual
sources of most famed products of arts, literature and music, while the
fame was harvested by those, who paid them.

In Germany we had a very famous case like this, which was the band
'Milli Vanilly'.

But my gues, we find that scheme all over the place.

Another reason for doubts: if the education was unusually fast.

A typical example: Werher von Braun.

He was simply too fast for what he had allegedly done. So I think, that
absolutely everything of is CV was a fake.

And we know from historical records, that he was a top-Nazi, SS-officer
and part of the management of the worst of all concentration-camps in
Germany. It's name was 'Dora-Mittelbau' and was regarded as hell on Earth.

TH