I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.

Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).

The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)

How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
the flu"?

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 5:52:38 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
> I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
> cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>
> Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
> case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
> usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>
> The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
> intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
> (some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
> to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
> but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
> a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>
> How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
> the flu"?

Must have been exposed to the virus, but no symptom so far. One-shot Moderna 2/21.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
>cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>
>Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
>case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
>usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>
>The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
>intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
>(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
>to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
>but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
>a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>
>How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
>Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
>the flu"?

I had it in 2020. It was like a cold, not bad, no treatment, but it
left me fatigued for a year. Dry-eye syndrome too, during that year;
that's one rare side effect, but no big deal.

For roughly half of the people who got it, it was asymptomatic.

I was blackmailed into getting vaccinated in 2021. I went for the J+J
because it was one shot. No reaction to that besides a slightly sore
arm.

On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1@dont-email.me>:

>I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
>cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>
>Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
>case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
>usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>
>The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
>intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
>(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
>to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
>but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
>a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>
>How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
>Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
>the flu"?

I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
When I was very young I got tested in school with a scratch on the arm for TBC,
test was positive, so they took xrays (twice), nothing found.
Seems I have anti-bodies against many things.
I think I know why and how...
You earthlings are not there yet.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 08:42:01 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700, Don Y
><blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
>>cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>>
>>Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
>>case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
>>usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>>
>>The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
>>intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
>>(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
>>to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
>>but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
>>a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>>
>>How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
>>Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
>>the flu"?
>
>I had it in 2020. It was like a cold, not bad, no treatment, but it
>left me fatigued for a year. Dry-eye syndrome too, during that year;
>that's one rare side effect, but no big deal.
>
>For roughly half of the people who got it, it was asymptomatic.
>
>I was blackmailed into getting vaccinated in 2021. I went for the J+J
>because it was one shot. No reaction to that besides a slightly sore
>arm.

I had the J+J shot in 2021 as well, but I wasn't blackmailed at all.
Vaccines are the most powerful medical treatment ever invented, by
orders of magnitude.

In round numbers, the risk of modern vaccination is of order a part
per million, comparable to commercial air travel.

In the US, COVID has killed a million people. Sounds like a lot, but
the population is 330 million, so the raw risk is of order 0.33%, or
3,030 ppm. Which well exceeds 1 ppm.

So I take all booster shots offered. So far, Pfizer and Pfizer again.
I also had Omicron at XMAS 2021 - just a scratchy throat. The best
protection is the combination of natural and vaccination-induced
immunity.

Joe Gwinn

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:37:18 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 08:42:01 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700, Don Y
>><blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
>>>cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>>>
>>>Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
>>>case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
>>>usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>>>
>>>The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
>>>intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
>>>(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
>>>to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
>>>but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
>>>a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>>>
>>>How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
>>>Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
>>>the flu"?
>>
>>I had it in 2020. It was like a cold, not bad, no treatment, but it
>>left me fatigued for a year. Dry-eye syndrome too, during that year;
>>that's one rare side effect, but no big deal.
>>
>>For roughly half of the people who got it, it was asymptomatic.
>>
>>I was blackmailed into getting vaccinated in 2021. I went for the J+J
>>because it was one shot. No reaction to that besides a slightly sore
>>arm.
>
>I had the J+J shot in 2021 as well, but I wasn't blackmailed at all.
>Vaccines are the most powerful medical treatment ever invented, by
>orders of magnitude.

Getting the actual infection is probably better, and I had it before a
vaccine was available. I've been fine since then, not even a cold.

The blackmail was a reservation at The Gold Mirror, a superb Italian
restaurant, that required a vaccine card at the time. Dirty trick.

>
>In round numbers, the risk of modern vaccination is of order a part
>per million, comparable to commercial air travel.
>
>In the US, COVID has killed a million people. Sounds like a lot, but
>the population is 330 million, so the raw risk is of order 0.33%, or
>3,030 ppm. Which well exceeds 1 ppm.

Likely over-counted. As in death by motorcycle included.

>
>So I take all booster shots offered. So far, Pfizer and Pfizer again.
>I also had Omicron at XMAS 2021 - just a scratchy throat. The best
>protection is the combination of natural and vaccination-induced
>immunity.

The vaccines are not risk-free themselves, especially for young males.

>
>Joe Gwinn

On 18/07/2022 13:52, Don Y wrote:
> I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
> cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>
> Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
> case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
> usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>
> The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
> intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
> (some involving a fair bit of PT).  Recent cases seem
> to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
> but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
> a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>
> How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> Any recent cases?  Anyone want to claim it's "just like
> the flu"?
I had it , lasted 4 days. Really sore throat, bad cough and that's it.

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On 07/18/2022 03:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> The blackmail was a reservation at The Gold Mirror, a superb Italian
> restaurant, that required a vaccine card at the time. Dirty trick.

I'd go for a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli heated over a smoldering cow
chip first...

In article <49ibdhp8e2vea92okbvus1se4jtrbbjpp7@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <xx@yy.com> wrote:

>The blackmail was a reservation at The Gold Mirror, a superb Italian
>restaurant, that required a vaccine card at the time. Dirty trick.

That sounds more like bribery than blackmail.

mandag den 18. juli 2022 kl. 14.52.38 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
> I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
> cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>
> Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
> case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
> usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>
> The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
> intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
> (some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
> to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
> but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
> a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>
> How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
> the flu"?

Had about month ago (I assume, friends I was with the week before tested positive with a home test)
Stayed in bed feeling like crap for most of a week, with no taste. Took few weeks to feel sorta normal again

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:22:17 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:

>On 07/18/2022 03:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> The blackmail was a reservation at The Gold Mirror, a superb Italian
>> restaurant, that required a vaccine card at the time. Dirty trick.
>
>I'd go for a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli heated over a smoldering cow
>chip first...

GM has the best lisagna on the planet. And the veal picatta is
amazing.

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
> >cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
> >
> >Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
> >case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
> >usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
> >
> >The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
> >intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
> >(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
> >to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
> >but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
> >a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
> >
> >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
> >the flu"?
> I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
> Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
> When I was very young I got tested in school with a scratch on the arm for TBC,
> test was positive, so they took xrays (twice), nothing found.
> Seems I have anti-bodies against many things.
> I think I know why and how...
> You earthlings are not there yet.

Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies. Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic disease. UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID are about the same. But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:42:12 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700, Don Y
> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
> >I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
> >cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
> >
> >Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
> >case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
> >usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
> >
> >The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
> >intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
> >(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
> >to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
> >but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
> >a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
> >
> >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
> >the flu"?
> I had it in 2020. It was like a cold, not bad, no treatment, but it
> left me fatigued for a year. Dry-eye syndrome too, during that year;
> that's one rare side effect, but no big deal.
>
> For roughly half of the people who got it, it was asymptomatic.
>
> I was blackmailed into getting vaccinated in 2021. I went for the J+J
> because it was one shot. No reaction to that besides a slightly sore
> arm.

J+J is not an RNA vaccine, it is a viral vector. My recent reading is the government is on the verge of abandoning it.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/janssen.html
This is probably because you have enough antibody response to take that monkey virus out of commission before it can infect any cells and produce antigen to any significant degree.

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 5:03:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

> The vaccines are not risk-free themselves, especially for young males.

Vaccines can be dangerous for some people, but as long as their numbers are ppm range, it will still be administered to the general public.

>
> >
> >Joe Gwinn

On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 19:04:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<f4d87864-8184-4005-9b8c-05af761812c6n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
>> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
>> >I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
>> >cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>> >
>> >Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
>> >case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
>> >usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>> >
>> >The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
>> >intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
>> >(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
>> >to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
>> >but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
>> >a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>> >
>> >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
>> >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
>> >the flu"?
>> I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
>>
>Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
>> When I was very young I got tested in school with a scratch on the arm for
>TBC,
>> test was positive, so they took xrays (twice), nothing found.
>> Seems I have anti-bodies against many things.
>> I think I know why and how...
>> You earthlings are not there yet.
>
>Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies.
>Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via
>low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic
>disease. UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with
>influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID
>are about the same. But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence
>of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."

That is just fear mongering bull to get people to be pricked dead by bloodcloths
No symptoms no problems no illness!!!.
People die all around me I note! (not).
Even if you tested positive to covid, that will go away in a week or so or you die,
It is all about the Medical Industrial Complex and they do not give a shit how many they
kill with their experiments.
I got it long ago, before all this hype, when I opened a parcel from China
from ebay, couched 2 times and that was it.
Likely more people suffer damage from those vaccines than from covid.
Many older ones that had a shot simply died or had severe side effects, youger ones too (heart failures).
But must sell!!!!
Loads of vaccines had to be destroyed here recently no longer needed and over time,
Herd immunity..
Maybe be a problem for China as it did not build hurd immunity and eventually it will damage their economy
no matter what .
Earthling!!

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 19:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
>> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
>> >I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
>> >cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>> >
>> >Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
>> >case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
>> >usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>> >
>> >The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
>> >intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
>> >(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
>> >to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
>> >but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
>> >a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>> >
>> >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
>> >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
>> >the flu"?
>> I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
>> Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
>> When I was very young I got tested in school with a scratch on the arm for TBC,
>> test was positive, so they took xrays (twice), nothing found.
>> Seems I have anti-bodies against many things.
>> I think I know why and how...
>> You earthlings are not there yet.
>
>Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies. Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic disease. UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID are about the same. But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."

Most people get over Covid in a week or two. Nobody gets over AIDS.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 3:23:25 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:04:53 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
> > > <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > > >I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
> > > >cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
> > > >
> > > >Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
> > > >case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
> > > >usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
> > > >
> > > >The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
> > > >intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
> > > >(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
> > > >to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
> > > >but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
> > > >a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries).
>
> Vaccines give you antibodies and killer-T cells. Both make it harder for the Covd-19 virus to multiply so you are likely to end up with a lower viral load for a shorter time. You are likely to feel less sick while you are infected, and probably won't infect as many other people. If you have a weaker than usual immune system - as does happen as you get older, the vaccine won't do as much for you as it would for younger, healthier people.

Vaccines impart immune *memory* to the recipient, which speeds up the response to challenge by the real pathogen if and when it occurs. It's the enhanced speed of immune response that prevents the disease taking hold.

> > > >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> > > >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
> > > >the flu"?
> >
> > > I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
> > > Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
> Jan Panteltje doesn't know much, and his claims shouldn't be taken all that seriously.
> > Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies. Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic disease.
> It might be., but medical people tend restrict the term "asymptomatic disease" to people who have tested positive for the Covid-19 virus. Back before there were any vaccines around, about 15% of cases were asymptomatic, and they were infectious, if not for all that long.
> > UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID are about the same.

Whatever...

> They aren't.
> > But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."
> You can be, but if you haven't got symptoms you haven't got much of a viral load, and you don't stay infections for more than few days.

That statement is more wishful thinking than fact.

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:41:19 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 19:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
> >> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >> >I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
> >> >cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
> >> >
> >> >Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
> >> >case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
> >> >usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
> >> >
> >> >The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
> >> >intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
> >> >(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
> >> >to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
> >> >but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
> >> >a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
> >> >
> >> >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> >> >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
> >> >the flu"?
> >> I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
> >> Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
> >> When I was very young I got tested in school with a scratch on the arm for TBC,
> >> test was positive, so they took xrays (twice), nothing found.
> >> Seems I have anti-bodies against many things.
> >> I think I know why and how...
> >> You earthlings are not there yet.
> >
> >Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies. Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic disease. UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID are about the same. But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."
> Most people get over Covid in a week or two. Nobody gets over AIDS.

The antiviral therapeutic drugs pull people out of AIDS all the time...they get "over" it.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:01:10 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 19:04:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <f4d87864-8184-4005...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
> >> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >> >I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
> >> >cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
> >> >
> >> >Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
> >> >case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
> >> >usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
> >> >
> >> >The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
> >> >intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
> >> >(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
> >> >to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
> >> >but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
> >> >a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
> >> >
> >> >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> >> >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
> >> >the flu"?
> >> I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
> >>
> >Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
> >> When I was very young I got tested in school with a scratch on the arm for
> >TBC,
> >> test was positive, so they took xrays (twice), nothing found.
> >> Seems I have anti-bodies against many things.
> >> I think I know why and how...
> >> You earthlings are not there yet.
> >
> >Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies.
> >Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via
> >low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic
> >disease. UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with
> >influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID
> >are about the same. But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence
> >of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."
> That is just fear mongering bull to get people to be pricked dead by bloodcloths
> No symptoms no problems no illness!!!.
> People die all around me I note! (not).
> Even if you tested positive to covid, that will go away in a week or so or you die,
> It is all about the Medical Industrial Complex and they do not give a shit how many they
> kill with their experiments.
> I got it long ago, before all this hype, when I opened a parcel from China
> from ebay, couched 2 times and that was it.
> Likely more people suffer damage from those vaccines than from covid.
> Many older ones that had a shot simply died or had severe side effects, youger ones too (heart failures).
> But must sell!!!!
> Loads of vaccines had to be destroyed here recently no longer needed and over time,
> Herd immunity..
> Maybe be a problem for China as it did not build hurd immunity and eventually it will damage their economy
> no matter what .
> Earthling!!

Believe what you want, fence post.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 8:53:30 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:16:02 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 3:23:25 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:04:53 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
> > > > > <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
> <snip>
> > > Vaccines give you antibodies and killer-T cells. Both make it harder for the Covd-19 virus to multiply so you are likely to end up with a lower viral load for a shorter time. You are likely to feel less sick while you are infected, and probably won't infect as many other people. If you have a weaker than usual immune system - as does happen as you get older, the vaccine won't do as much for you as it would for younger, healthier people.
> >
> > Vaccines impart immune *memory* to the recipient, which speeds up the response to challenge by the real pathogen if and when it occurs.
> And what form does this "memory" take?
> >It's the enhanced speed of immune response that prevents the disease taking hold.
> So what does this "memory" consist of? And how does it "speed up the immune response" - presumably by delivering more circulating antibodies, and more killer T-cells into the blood stream?

If you don't know that by now, you're hopeless. The science is clearly established and its efficacy was obvious to even the 17th century Turkish inoculation vendors.

>
> We can swap vague generalities until the cows come home, but you are sounding more like Flyguy than anybody who knows what he is talking about.
> > > > > >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> > > > > >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like the flu"?
> > > >
> > > > > I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
> > > > > Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
> > >
> > > Jan Panteltje doesn't know much, and his claims shouldn't be taken all that seriously.
> > >
> > > > Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies. Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic disease.
> > >
> > > It might be., but medical people tend restrict the term "asymptomatic disease" to people who have tested positive for the Covid-19 virus. Back before there were any vaccines around, about 15% of cases were asymptomatic, and they were infectious, if not for all that long.
> > >
> > > > UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID are about the same.
> >
> > Whatever...
> So you didn't know. They aren't.

They most certainly are nearly identical if you look at the span of the confidence intervals associated with this near impossible to measure statistic..

> > >
> > > > But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."
> > >
> > > You can be, but if you haven't got symptoms you haven't got much of a viral load, and you don't stay infections for more than few days.
> > >
> > That statement is more wishful thinking than fact.
> Since you clearly can't be bothered to dig out the facts, the wishful thinking is all yours. We've actually been through this, but you've forgotten the details and have reverted to your original wishful thinking.

I'm not interested in distracting and irrelevant minutia small and inappropriate in scope.

>
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On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:17:55 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:41:19 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 19:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > >> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
> > > >> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
> <snip>
> > > >Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies. Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic disease. UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID are about the same. But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."
> > >
> > > Most people get over Covid in a week or two. Nobody gets over AIDS.
> >
> > The antiviral therapeutic drugs pull people out of AIDS all the time...they get "over" it.
> The right mix of anti-viral theraputic drugs, if administer for long enough, has been known to completely cure AIDS.

"Complete" cures by antiviral drugs are so rare as to be near nonexistent. Radiation therapy has done it but the treatment is extreme.

>
> The AIDS virus is rather better at protecting itself from the immune system than the Covid-19 virus. Long Covid doesn't seem to due to persistent viral infection, but rather seems to be caused by damage done during Covid-19 infection, which persists even after the virus has been eliminated from the body.

HIV protects itself from the human immune response by destroying the ability of the immune system to even mount a response via the CD4 which it obliterates.

>
> --
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On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:33:29 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:07:38 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 8:53:30 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:16:02 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 3:23:25 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:04:53 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > > > On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
> > > > > > > <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > > <snip>
> > > > > Vaccines give you antibodies and killer-T cells. Both make it harder for the Covd-19 virus to multiply so you are likely to end up with a lower viral load for a shorter time. You are likely to feel less sick while you are infected, and probably won't infect as many other people. If you have a weaker than usual immune system - as does happen as you get older, the vaccine won't do as much for you as it would for younger, healthier people.
> > > >
> > > > Vaccines impart immune *memory* to the recipient, which speeds up the response to challenge by the real pathogen if and when it occurs.
> > > And what form does this "memory" take?
> > > >It's the enhanced speed of immune response that prevents the disease taking hold.
> > > So what does this "memory" consist of? And how does it "speed up the immune response" - presumably by delivering more circulating antibodies, and more killer T-cells into the blood stream?
> >
> > If you don't know that by now, you're hopeless. The science is clearly established and its efficacy was obvious to even the 17th century Turkish inoculation vendors.
> The efficacy is well known. The mechanisms involved have been investigated more recently, but you prefer to rely on vague generalities. I'm calling you out for posting hand-waving non-explanations, and hiding behind 17th century variolation vendors doesn't get you off the hook
> > > We can swap vague generalities until the cows come home, but you are sounding more like Flyguy than anybody who knows what he is talking about.
>
> > > > > > > >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> > > > > > > >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like the flu"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
> > > > > > > Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan Panteltje doesn't know much, and his claims shouldn't be taken all that seriously.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies. Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic disease.
> > > > >
> > > > > It might be., but medical people tend restrict the term "asymptomatic disease" to people who have tested positive for the Covid-19 virus. Back before there were any vaccines around, about 15% of cases were asymptomatic, and they were infectious, if not for all that long.
> > > > >
> > > > > > UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID are about the same.
> > > >
> > > > Whatever...
> >
> > > So you didn't know. They aren't.
> >
> > They most certainly are nearly identical if you look at the span of the confidence intervals associated with this near impossible to measure statistic.
> So cite your results. They weren't the last time we dug them out.
> > > > > > But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."
> > > > >
> > > > > You can be, but if you haven't got symptoms you haven't got much of a viral load, and you don't stay infections for more than few days.
> > > > >
> > > > That statement is more wishful thinking than fact.
> > >
> > > Since you clearly can't be bothered to dig out the facts, the wishful thinking is all yours. We've actually been through this, but you've forgotten the details and have reverted to your original wishful thinking.
> >
> > I'm not interested in distracting and irrelevant minutia small and inappropriate in scope.
> So you are happy to post vague and misleading generalisations, and hide behind more of the same when you get called on it.

And for what purpose, myopic idiot? Even CDC admits their infection rate statistics could be off by 300%. You're just not in the same league here. Go read something else you can't make any sense of.
> --
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On 7/18/2022 11:22 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
>> cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
>>
>> Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
>> case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
>> usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
>>
>> The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
>> intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
>> (some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
>> to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
>> but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
>> a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
>>
>> How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
>> Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
>> the flu"?
> I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
> Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
> When I was very young I got tested in school with a scratch on the arm for TBC,
> test was positive, so they took xrays (twice), nothing found.
> Seems I have anti-bodies against many things.
> I think I know why and how...
> You earthlings are not there yet.
>
>
>
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On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:41:19 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 19:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:52:17 -0700) it happened Don Y
> >> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in <tb3l2e$bk87$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >> >I'm seeing different experiences and outcomes in current
> >> >cases vs. cases from earlier in the pandemic.
> >> >
> >> >Granted, earlier, there were no vaccines whereas every
> >> >case I've heard of recently has been vaccinated and
> >> >usually, at least, boosted once (some twice).
> >> >
> >> >The cases early in the pandemic seemed to be more
> >> >intense symptoms, hospital stays and long recoveries
> >> >(some involving a fair bit of PT). Recent cases seem
> >> >to be milder (no hospitalizations that I've heard of)
> >> >but of much longer duration; you feel like shit for
> >> >a long time (but I don't hear of any 'extreme' recoveries)
> >> >
> >> >How does this jibe with other first-hand accounts?
> >> >Any recent cases? Anyone want to claim it's "just like
> >> >the flu"?
> >> I dunno, never got any covid shots and am still alive and can smell etc..
> >> Never had a cold or flue in the last 60 years either so...
> >> When I was very young I got tested in school with a scratch on the arm for TBC,
> >> test was positive, so they took xrays (twice), nothing found.
> >> Seems I have anti-bodies against many things.
> >> I think I know why and how...
> >> You earthlings are not there yet.
> >
> >Antibodies don't necessarily cure you. Everyone with AIDS has HIV antibodies. Antibodies are generally the best diagnostic to detect any infection via low cost ELISA type testing. What you think is immunity is actually asymptomatic disease. UK NHS has determined that a full 70% of people infected with influenza there remain asymptomatic as just one example. The stats for COVID are about the same. But guess what? You are infectious to others. Absence of symptoms does not mean "I don't have it."
> Most people get over Covid in a week or two. Nobody gets over AIDS.

Yes, people get over Covid, except for the ones who don 't. Over 1 million dead in the US. Nothing to worry about. Many, many more with long Covid, but still, nothing to worry about.

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On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:22:26 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
> On 07/18/2022 03:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> > The blackmail was a reservation at The Gold Mirror, a superb Italian
> > restaurant, that required a vaccine card at the time. Dirty trick.
> I'd go for a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli heated over a smoldering cow
> chip first...

I think that was the idea. To filter out the rif-raf like you.

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