On 07/23/2022 01:23 AM, Don Y wrote:
> On 7/22/2022 10:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 07/22/2022 10:02 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>> OTOH, I can wait until wee hours of morning when outdoor temps drop to
>>> mid 80's so less work for the ACbrrr..
>>
>> No AC here and the indoor temp was 85 the last I looked.
>
> Ah. Yes, we rely heavily on the AC -- esp at this time of year
> (in Summer we can resort to the cooler)

I've never been fond of AC. I grew up in an era when it was a selling
point for theaters and motels and seldom found in residences. However
most of my life has been lived within 150 miles of the Canadian border.

I've got AC in the car since it wasn't even an option. Toyota has found
it's cheaper to standardize. I've even got vestigial lane control and
collision control stubbed out to the point where it beeps but doesn't do
anything.

I do use the car AC. The aerodynamic design didn't anticipate a window
being opened for anything other than dragging in a Big Mac so there is
very unpleasant buffeting at highway speeds.

Now that all my work is done with a keyboard I don't even have to worry
about sweat dripping onto the schematic on the drafting table.

On 07/23/2022 04:11 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> We get a rotisserie chicken from Safeway every few weeks, get a meal
> and a sandwich from that, and broth the cadaver. Rich home-made
> chicken broth blows away the weak salt water that you can buy in cans.

I've been using 'Better Than Bullion'. It's not better than homemade
stock but it's a lot better than the stuff in cans or cartons.

On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:32:18 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:

>On 07/23/2022 01:23 AM, Don Y wrote:
>> On 7/22/2022 10:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 07/22/2022 10:02 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>>> OTOH, I can wait until wee hours of morning when outdoor temps drop to
>>>> mid 80's so less work for the ACbrrr..
>>>
>>> No AC here and the indoor temp was 85 the last I looked.
>>
>> Ah. Yes, we rely heavily on the AC -- esp at this time of year
>> (in Summer we can resort to the cooler)
>
>I've never been fond of AC. I grew up in an era when it was a selling
>point for theaters and motels and seldom found in residences. However
>most of my life has been lived within 150 miles of the Canadian border.

In New Orleans, on a night in August, you learn to love that roaring
cycling box in the window just next to your bed.

>
>I've got AC in the car since it wasn't even an option. Toyota has found
>it's cheaper to standardize. I've even got vestigial lane control and
>collision control stubbed out to the point where it beeps but doesn't do
>anything.
>
>I do use the car AC. The aerodynamic design didn't anticipate a window
>being opened for anything other than dragging in a Big Mac so there is
>very unpleasant buffeting at highway speeds.
>
>Now that all my work is done with a keyboard I don't even have to worry
>about sweat dripping onto the schematic on the drafting table.

I still draw big schematics on paper, but the weather is cool here.
Or, very rarely, hot and dry.

Our shop is near a freeway so we keep the windows closed and have a/c
with super hepa filters to avoid particulates when the wind blows the
wrong way.

On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:40:49 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:

>On 07/23/2022 04:11 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> We get a rotisserie chicken from Safeway every few weeks, get a meal
>> and a sandwich from that, and broth the cadaver. Rich home-made
>> chicken broth blows away the weak salt water that you can buy in cans.
>
>I've been using 'Better Than Bullion'. It's not better than homemade
>stock but it's a lot better than the stuff in cans or cartons.

Mo makes an amazing chicken picatta. It's easy: flour some pounded
chicken and brown it. Add 6 or 8 homemade broth cubes and simmer and
reduce some. Then capers and lemon juice. Finally some hunks of
butter, which somehow thickens it to a nice velvet effect.

With Yukon Gold mashed potatoes and maybe something green. I do the
pounding and frying and mashing and wash-up and most of the eating. I
think being an engineer gave me good instincts for time and
temperature and general violence.

lørdag den 23. juli 2022 kl. 20.40.57 UTC+2 skrev rbowman:
> On 07/23/2022 04:11 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > We get a rotisserie chicken from Safeway every few weeks, get a meal
> > and a sandwich from that, and broth the cadaver. Rich home-made
> > chicken broth blows away the weak salt water that you can buy in cans.
> I've been using 'Better Than Bullion'. It's not better than homemade
> stock but it's a lot better than the stuff in cans or cartons.

“Of course, my stocks in class always tasted far better than my classmates’. No one could figure out how I coaxed such hearty flavor out of a few chicken bones, or made such wonderful fish fumet with fish racks and shrimp shells, all in the limited time available. Had my instructors given me a pat-down before class they might have learned my secret: two glassine envelopes of Minor’s chicken and lobster base inside my chef’s coat, for that little extra kick. They never figured it out.”

– Anthony Bourdain, Kitchen Confidential

On 7/23/2022 11:32 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On 07/23/2022 01:23 AM, Don Y wrote:
>> On 7/22/2022 10:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 07/22/2022 10:02 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>>> OTOH, I can wait until wee hours of morning when outdoor temps drop to
>>>> mid 80's so less work for the ACbrrr..
>>>
>>> No AC here and the indoor temp was 85 the last I looked.
>>
>> Ah. Yes, we rely heavily on the AC -- esp at this time of year
>> (in Summer we can resort to the cooler)
>
> I've never been fond of AC. I grew up in an era when it was a selling point for
> theaters and motels and seldom found in residences. However most of my life has
> been lived within 150 miles of the Canadian border.

Growing up (New England), a window unit in the kitchen was our "luxury"
(house wasn't designed for forced air HVAC). But, Summer was relatively
short and rarely hit 90F. Pull the moisture out of the air and everyone
feels better -- even if the air temp doesn't fall much.

Here, it's 80F in February and 110+ by June. Both are tolerable in any
season other than Monsoon; stay out of direct sunlight and/or humidify.
It's almost *cold* at 80F -- at night (extremely low RH means any perspiration
cools very effectively; I *froze* when I got out of 90+ degree swimming pool
into 105F air temperature -- because all of that pool water evaporated in
*seconds*!) I've seen folks wearing *sweaters* at night (WTF?)

This time of year, the ACbrrr is needed for dehumidification AND cooling.

On average, ~66 days above 100F. Some recent years, that's been *100*
days above 100F.

My "record high" was 117F. Record low was -26F (WC of -83F) in Chitown.
By far, the heat is more tolerable (3 minute exposed flesh warning at
that low temperature). I had 20T of aggregate delivered and managed to
distribute it around the yard without any problem. *BUT*, wondered
how I could drink a gallon of water hourly and never have to pee!! :<

> I've got AC in the car since it wasn't even an option. Toyota has found it's
> cheaper to standardize. I've even got vestigial lane control and collision
> control stubbed out to the point where it beeps but doesn't do anything.

It's possible to buy a car w/o ACbrrr, here. I'm not sure they sell very many,
though! (they also sell black on black vehicles... to idiots!)

> I do use the car AC. The aerodynamic design didn't anticipate a window being
> opened for anything other than dragging in a Big Mac so there is very
> unpleasant buffeting at highway speeds.

My car has T-top which I enjoy removing -- but not during peak sun hours.
Makes a royal mess of hair, though.

> Now that all my work is done with a keyboard I don't even have to worry about
> sweat dripping onto the schematic on the drafting table.

ACbrrr failures neighbors have had house interiors quickly exceeding 90F if
they don't have if they don't also have coolers. I've debated going for a
MUCH larger gensset to be able to backup the ACbrrr (4T) in addition to other
critical loads. But, that seems foolish. We'll probably buy a room sized
portable unit "for emergencies" and just create a "cool room" in the house
(probably the master). Other folks have spent the day in malls or rented hotel
rooms when ACbrrr failed. (*THAT* is an inconvenience! Esp with pets)

Dehumidifaction makes it relatively easy to stay indoors. Stepping outside
is the problem; as soon as you return indoors, you are covered in perspiration.

Leaving a glass of ice water on counter (or bowl of popcorn, uncovered)
is the litmus test. If glass sweats (or popcorn goes soggy), then you
want ACbrrr.

Baking at this time of year is a challenge because of the humidity. I have
to pay careful attention to weather if I want to get good results!

On 07/23/2022 04:39 PM, Don Y wrote:
> On 7/23/2022 11:32 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 07/23/2022 01:23 AM, Don Y wrote:
>>> On 7/22/2022 10:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On 07/22/2022 10:02 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>>>> OTOH, I can wait until wee hours of morning when outdoor temps drop to
>>>>> mid 80's so less work for the ACbrrr..
>>>>
>>>> No AC here and the indoor temp was 85 the last I looked.
>>>
>>> Ah. Yes, we rely heavily on the AC -- esp at this time of year
>>> (in Summer we can resort to the cooler)
>>
>> I've never been fond of AC. I grew up in an era when it was a selling
>> point for theaters and motels and seldom found in residences. However
>> most of my life has been lived within 150 miles of the Canadian border.
>
> Growing up (New England), a window unit in the kitchen was our "luxury"
> (house wasn't designed for forced air HVAC). But, Summer was relatively
> short and rarely hit 90F. Pull the moisture out of the air and everyone
> feels better -- even if the air temp doesn't fall much.

Upstate NY would get into the 90's. We had a screened patio where I
would retreat at night. The screens were a necessity if you didn't want
to wake up desanguinated. One of the things I miss is lightning bugs.

> Here, it's 80F in February and 110+ by June. Both are tolerable in any
> season other than Monsoon; stay out of direct sunlight and/or humidify.
> It's almost *cold* at 80F -- at night (extremely low RH means any
> perspiration
> cools very effectively; I *froze* when I got out of 90+ degree swimming
> pool

One of the adaptations I had to make when I first started hiking in the
desert was just because you're not dripping sweat doesn't mean you're
not dehydrating like a piece of jerky. I figured I was getting about 6
miles to the gallon.

On 7/23/2022 8:58 PM, rbowman wrote:

>>> I've never been fond of AC. I grew up in an era when it was a selling
>>> point for theaters and motels and seldom found in residences. However
>>> most of my life has been lived within 150 miles of the Canadian border.
>>
>> Growing up (New England), a window unit in the kitchen was our "luxury"
>> (house wasn't designed for forced air HVAC). But, Summer was relatively
>> short and rarely hit 90F. Pull the moisture out of the air and everyone
>> feels better -- even if the air temp doesn't fall much.
>
> Upstate NY would get into the 90's. We had a screened patio where I would
> retreat at night. The screens were a necessity if you didn't want to wake up
> desanguinated.

Mid 80's was more of a normal high, for us. Humidity, of course, but you
didn't know any other way of living so accepted it.

And, kids are always busy with other "distractions" so less time to fret
about personal discomfort.

> One of the things I miss is lightning bugs.

I was surprised to realize these aren't widespread! I had a friend
out visiting (midwest) from SoCal one summer. Startled, she asked,
"What was THAT?" Clueless, I replied, "What was WHAT?" "THAT!"
as she pointed to another firefly. "Haven't you ever seen a
firefly?" (puzzled)

It's amazing how many things we take for granted, growing up
(and thereafter, if naive!). I was on the beach in SoCal, one day,
with friends -- including a friend from Colorado. She was staring
out at the ocean in a daze leading me to sarcastically ask: "Haven't
you ever seen the ocean?!" (we would skip out of school and spend
the day at the beach, returning just before the bus at the end of
classes -- so our absence wasn't apparent to "outside observers")

Her reply, "It's so BIG!" It was startling as I had *assumed* that
EVERYONE had seen the ocean! How could you MISS it?!

Then, watched her kids, playing in the surf, with renewed interest.
To them, it was "water". I was waiting for the inevitable mouthful and
the realization that it was SALTY! Didn't have long to wait...

>> Here, it's 80F in February and 110+ by June. Both are tolerable in any
>> season other than Monsoon; stay out of direct sunlight and/or humidify.
>> It's almost *cold* at 80F -- at night (extremely low RH means any
>> perspiration
>> cools very effectively; I *froze* when I got out of 90+ degree swimming
>> pool
>
> One of the adaptations I had to make when I first started hiking in the desert
> was just because you're not dripping sweat doesn't mean you're not dehydrating
> like a piece of jerky. I figured I was getting about 6 miles to the gallon.

Yes, exactly. You get wicked headaches when you forget that fact.
I think the norm is a pint every 20 minutes -- that's almost half a
gallon per hour!

AND YOU WON'T PEE! Scary!

On 7/23/2022 10:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
> It's amazing how many things we take for granted, growing up
> (and thereafter, if naive!).
I recall one of my early experiences, here. I was visiting
and looked down to see an artichoke at chest level. "Hey,
that's an artichoke!"

I'd never considered how or where they grew -- as long as I
could buy them at the grocery store! Ditto pomegranates.
(everyone knows oranges grow on trees so no big deal, there)

On 07/23/2022 11:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
> I was surprised to realize these aren't widespread! I had a friend
> out visiting (midwest) from SoCal one summer. Startled, she asked,
> "What was THAT?" Clueless, I replied, "What was WHAT?" "THAT!"
> as she pointed to another firefly. "Haven't you ever seen a
> firefly?" (puzzled)

I don't know where their range peters out. A few years ago I was camping
at the Breaks Interstate Park on the KY/VA border. It had pretty much
been raining from South Dakota on but it was a beautiful, still evening
as I lay in my tent watching the fireflies. Of course the storm came in
around 3 AM and I got drenched. Spent the next night in a motel in
Bristol TN drying stuff out. All the rain did wonders for the
rhododendrons.

I knew it was bad when I met a box turtle walking down the trail at
Frozen Head TN looking for a dry spot.

On 7/23/2022 11:18 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 07/23/2022 11:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> I was surprised to realize these aren't widespread! I had a friend
>> out visiting (midwest) from SoCal one summer. Startled, she asked,
>> "What was THAT?" Clueless, I replied, "What was WHAT?" "THAT!"
>> as she pointed to another firefly. "Haven't you ever seen a
>> firefly?" (puzzled)
>
> I don't know where their range peters out. A few years ago I was camping at the
> Breaks Interstate Park on the KY/VA border. It had pretty much been raining
> from South Dakota on but it was a beautiful, still evening as I lay in my tent
> watching the fireflies. Of course the storm came in around 3 AM and I got
> drenched. Spent the next night in a motel in Bristol TN drying stuff out. All
> the rain did wonders for the rhododendrons.
>
> I knew it was bad when I met a box turtle walking down the trail at Frozen Head
> TN looking for a dry spot.

I never really consider the effects of local climate on flora/fauna.
I figured New England was "temperate" -- summers not too hot, winters
not too cold. And, figured the things that couldn't live there were
because of the cold winters. (E.g., Grandpa grew *figs* in his yard,
but it required an extraordinary effort; here, most of my neighbors grow
them effortlessly!)

So, snakes/reptiles had limited appeal when they had to contend with
the cold winters. Ditto citrus, etc.

It was only after moving here that I realized there are tings that
*need* the cold -- or, can not tolerate the heat. Ditto elevation,
etc.

[Always amusing to see "Old El Paso" touting a saguaro in their logo...
yeah, that ain't gonna happen! :> ]

On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 22:44:49 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/23/2022 10:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> It's amazing how many things we take for granted, growing up
>> (and thereafter, if naive!).
>I recall one of my early experiences, here. I was visiting
>and looked down to see an artichoke at chest level. "Hey,
>that's an artichoke!"
>
>I'd never considered how or where they grew -- as long as I
>could buy them at the grocery store! Ditto pomegranates.
>(everyone knows oranges grow on trees so no big deal, there)

My first encounter with an artichoke was at a business lunch in a
fancy restaurant, with a crab stuffed artichoke as a shared appetizer.

I just grabbed a leaf and tried to eat it, and it didn't want to be
et. The proper technique wasn't at all obvious.

We have a great farmers' market nearby, with real farmers selling
their stuff. In their natural state, on their stems, some veggies are
very weird.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 00:18:59 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:

>On 07/23/2022 11:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> I was surprised to realize these aren't widespread! I had a friend
>> out visiting (midwest) from SoCal one summer. Startled, she asked,
>> "What was THAT?" Clueless, I replied, "What was WHAT?" "THAT!"
>> as she pointed to another firefly. "Haven't you ever seen a
>> firefly?" (puzzled)
>
>I don't know where their range peters out. A few years ago I was camping
>at the Breaks Interstate Park on the KY/VA border. It had pretty much
>been raining from South Dakota on but it was a beautiful, still evening
>as I lay in my tent watching the fireflies.

I wonder what the time profile, the waveform, is of a firefly flash.

That would be a fun science project.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 10:42:12 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 00:18:59 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 07/23/2022 11:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>> I was surprised to realize these aren't widespread! I had a friend
>>> out visiting (midwest) from SoCal one summer. Startled, she asked,
>>> "What was THAT?" Clueless, I replied, "What was WHAT?" "THAT!"
>>> as she pointed to another firefly. "Haven't you ever seen a
>>> firefly?" (puzzled)
>>
>>I don't know where their range peters out. A few years ago I was camping
>>at the Breaks Interstate Park on the KY/VA border. It had pretty much
>>been raining from South Dakota on but it was a beautiful, still evening
>>as I lay in my tent watching the fireflies.
>
>I wonder what the time profile, the waveform, is of a firefly flash.
>
>That would be a fun science project.

..<https://www.nps.gov/grsm/learn/nature/firefly-flash-patterns.htm>

Joe Gwinn

On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 14:19:42 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 10:42:12 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 00:18:59 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 07/23/2022 11:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>>> I was surprised to realize these aren't widespread! I had a friend
>>>> out visiting (midwest) from SoCal one summer. Startled, she asked,
>>>> "What was THAT?" Clueless, I replied, "What was WHAT?" "THAT!"
>>>> as she pointed to another firefly. "Haven't you ever seen a
>>>> firefly?" (puzzled)
>>>
>>>I don't know where their range peters out. A few years ago I was camping
>>>at the Breaks Interstate Park on the KY/VA border. It had pretty much
>>>been raining from South Dakota on but it was a beautiful, still evening
>>>as I lay in my tent watching the fireflies.
>>
>>I wonder what the time profile, the waveform, is of a firefly flash.
>>
>>That would be a fun science project.
>
>.<https://www.nps.gov/grsm/learn/nature/firefly-flash-patterns.htm>
>
>Joe Gwinn

That's cartoons of flash patterns, not waveforms.

I've seen some waveforms that look like rounded pulses, but the
detector bandwidth wasn't clear.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 13:28:36 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 14:19:42 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 10:42:12 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 00:18:59 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 07/23/2022 11:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>>>> I was surprised to realize these aren't widespread! I had a friend
>>>>> out visiting (midwest) from SoCal one summer. Startled, she asked,
>>>>> "What was THAT?" Clueless, I replied, "What was WHAT?" "THAT!"
>>>>> as she pointed to another firefly. "Haven't you ever seen a
>>>>> firefly?" (puzzled)
>>>>
>>>>I don't know where their range peters out. A few years ago I was camping
>>>>at the Breaks Interstate Park on the KY/VA border. It had pretty much
>>>>been raining from South Dakota on but it was a beautiful, still evening
>>>>as I lay in my tent watching the fireflies.
>>>
>>>I wonder what the time profile, the waveform, is of a firefly flash.
>>>
>>>That would be a fun science project.
>>
>>.<https://www.nps.gov/grsm/learn/nature/firefly-flash-patterns.htm>
>>
>>Joe Gwinn
>
>That's cartoons of flash patterns, not waveforms.

The pulses won't be super sharp, because they don't really matter.
It's the rhythm that usually matters for getting an invitation from a
female firefly.

>I've seen some waveforms that look like rounded pulses, but the
>detector bandwidth wasn't clear.

Well, the biology folk will generally chose an adequate bandwidth,
which they do over time by finding the best BW for SNR (even if they
never heard of SNR). Bio amps usually have a max-BW knob of some
kind, usually implemented with a variable capacitor of some kind. For
picking nerve pulses, it was very often a rotating-element variable
air capacitor, used to control capacitance cancellation level just
short of oscillation.

Joe Gwinn

Joe Gwinn