On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:56:52 AM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:57:09 AM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
> >> JanPB wrote:
> >> > On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >> >> Old bitter prune,
> >> >
> >> > Why do you childishly keep inventing stuff about other people?
> >> sure, just wait till you arrive Siberia, you stupid polak.
> >
> > Putin must be destroyed. Not necessarily physically, I mean his power.
> > And also The Hague is a perfectly acceptable solution.
>
> hague??

Yes.

> you stinking polak, you and your government will end your stinking
> lives there, for instigating, performing terrorism on infrastructure of
> another state, here Germany and Russia. You stinking lying hypocrite.

Calm yourself. Russia has been the constant source of trouble for
its neighbours for centuries. That bill is at long last coming due.
Many western intellectuals, sadly, do not understand Russia's
motivations here, they seriously think that Putin invaded Ukraine
because of the NATO expansion. This is a serious error which
is even more strange given the fact that Putin, like Hitler in his
"Mein Kampf", describes exactly what he wants to accomplish.
I tend to agree with Konstantin Kisin in the UK that most western
politicians are simply not briefed in sufficient detail about hundreds
and hundreds of pages of Putin's speeches so hypotheses like
"NATO expansion" gain traction even among otherwise very
sensible people (in the US) like Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron
Mate, etc.

> the size of polakia will soon be zerooo,

You are like all those dreamers on this NG. Stop fantasising, this
strategy is worthless for debate.

> and if the traitor putin goes,

He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
goon, Erich Honecker.

> then in 24 hours you have no polakia and probably other stinking nazi
> capitalist states.

Hurting, much?

> You removed the link, which proves you a son of a bitch
> lying uneducated wanker.

I didn't even noticed there was a link there. I responded to
the mountain of immature nonsense you keep posting here,
not to any link.

> Here we go
> 'Yankee go home!' ｜ Massive anti-NATO rally in Slovakia
> https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/video/9of5aWI2R4Rv Thousands of
> people march through Bratislava denouncing the 'perverse plans of US and
> NATO' and calling for peace

Gobbledygook.

--
Jan

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>
> >> See a doctor. Something's the matter with your head. If you do not live
> >> in the US, you can get an on-demand MRI of the head quite cheap out of
> >> your pocket (about the equivalent of $200 give or take). I'd consider
> >> it if I were you. -- Jan
> >
> > That's almost universal for these sci newsgroups.
> you did see that doctor already?? you stinking sack of stinking shit.

Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
trying to destabilise the western resolve (which he, admittedly, plays
extremely well, of course he was trained by the KGB to do precisely
that).

He thought after Crimea and Biden's disaster of Afghanistan it
will be a cakewalk, a 3-day "special operation". He never expected,
despite all his clever training, to step into the same trap that
Brezhnev stepped into. And his finish and Russia's will be very similar.
History does not repeat itself but it does rhyme (Twain).

--
Jan

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:07:21 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
> > whodat wrote:
> >
> > >> See a doctor. Something's the matter with your head. If you do not live
> > >> in the US, you can get an on-demand MRI of the head quite cheap out of
> > >> your pocket (about the equivalent of $200 give or take). I'd consider
> > >> it if I were you. -- Jan
> > >
> > > That's almost universal for these sci newsgroups.
> > you did see that doctor already?? you stinking sack of stinking shit.
> Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
> trying to destabilise the western resolve (which he, admittedly, plays
> extremely well, of course he was trained by the KGB to do precisely
> that).
>
> He thought after Crimea and Biden's disaster of Afghanistan it
> will be a cakewalk, a 3-day "special operation". He never expected,
> despite all his clever training, to step into the same trap that
> Brezhnev stepped into. And his finish and Russia's will be very similar.
> History does not repeat itself but it does rhyme (Twain).
>
> --
> Jan

You know nothing, relativistic mathematician.

After Bakhmut fall, in the next days and with or without 20,000 ukies as POW, NATO will eat shit in disgrace. Ukraine is already lost.

Ukinatos will retreat to the west side of the Dnieper River, which will be the frontier of Novorossinia and Ukraineleft.

600,000+ ukranians lost their life or are severely impaired, the "collective west" will have to accept defeat, and a demilitarized zone
will be imposed by Russia or ELSE.

As Putin said: "we're starting nothing yet". Don't poke the Bear.

Meanwhile, Zilonsky will resume his comedian's career in Broadway.

JanPB wrote:

> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
>> whodat wrote:
>>
>> >> See a doctor. Something's the matter with your head. If you do not
>> >> live in the US, you can get an on-demand MRI of the head quite cheap
>> >> out of your pocket (about the equivalent of $200 give or take). I'd
>> >> consider it if I were you. -- Jan
>> >
>> > That's almost universal for these sci newsgroups.
>> you did see that doctor already?? you stinking sack of stinking shit.
>
> Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
> trying

shut the fuck up, fool. You are not allowed to talk. Prepare your ass for
Siberia. So much work to do, the rest of your stinking polaker life, for
the food you eat. You putrid sack of shit. Your time is coming.

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JanPB wrote:

> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:56:52 AM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:57:09 AM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana
>> > wrote:
>> >> JanPB wrote:
>> >> > On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> >> >> Old bitter prune,
>> >> >
>> >> > Why do you childishly keep inventing stuff about other people?
>> >> sure, just wait till you arrive Siberia, you stupid polak.
>> >
>> > Putin must be destroyed. Not necessarily physically, I mean his
>> > power.
>> > And also The Hague is a perfectly acceptable solution.
>>
>> hague??
>
> Yes.

those terrorist wankers killing the president of Yugoslavia, by intent?
You perverted PLC programmer. That "hague" will be soon saturated, as
well, as it deserves. Make room to these nazi terrorists madrefuckers.

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Croatian MEP Mislav Kulakucic calls out the Davos agenda.
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Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am intrigued by the possible post 1904 development of the civilized
> world in the hypothetical case that Lorentz, realizing how stupid and
> worthless was his work, since 1892, trying to find a theory that could
> satisfy FitzGerald's proposal of length contraction in the order of
> squares of v/c, to justify MMX.
>
> Suppose that he gave up on his relativity by 1903, and followed other
> topics in optics or theories about electrodynamics.

There are no 'other theories of optics or electrodynamics'.
Lorentz' 'Theory of Electrons' wasn't just a theory,
it was a program for all of physics.
No way that he could have given up on it,
except by giving up on physics altogether.

And why give up on an extremely succesful theory?
Remember that it had gotten him the 1902 Nobel prize,
(shared with Zeeman)

Jan

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 1:27:16 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:07:21 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
> > > whodat wrote:
> > >
> > > >> See a doctor. Something's the matter with your head. If you do not live
> > > >> in the US, you can get an on-demand MRI of the head quite cheap out of
> > > >> your pocket (about the equivalent of $200 give or take). I'd consider
> > > >> it if I were you. -- Jan
> > > >
> > > > That's almost universal for these sci newsgroups.
> > > you did see that doctor already?? you stinking sack of stinking shit.
> > Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
> > trying to destabilise the western resolve (which he, admittedly, plays
> > extremely well, of course he was trained by the KGB to do precisely
> > that).
> >
> > He thought after Crimea and Biden's disaster of Afghanistan it
> > will be a cakewalk, a 3-day "special operation". He never expected,
> > despite all his clever training, to step into the same trap that
> > Brezhnev stepped into. And his finish and Russia's will be very similar..
> > History does not repeat itself but it does rhyme (Twain).
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> You know nothing, relativistic mathematician.

There is no such thing as "relativistic mathematician" BTW. Your
constant repetition of magic incantations like this weakens your
case considerably, as this sort of thing makes you appear a flake.

> After Bakhmut fall, in the next days and with or without 20,000 ukies as POW, NATO will eat shit in disgrace. Ukraine is already lost.

Maybe, maybe not.

> Ukinatos will retreat to the west side of the Dnieper River, which will be the frontier of Novorossinia and Ukraineleft.

Maybe, maybe not.

> 600,000+ ukranians lost their life or are severely impaired, the "collective west" will have to accept defeat, and a demilitarized zone
> will be imposed by Russia or ELSE.

Russia is finished as an empire. They can no longer dictate anything.
It's all between America and China from now on. I understand that
Putin cannot accept this but it's all Russia's fault. In the 1970s
Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote a letter to Brezhnev telling them
what had to be done. This was the last chance Russia had.
And Brezhnev, being a standard-issue Soviet communist idiot like
Putin, instead of employing Solzhenitsyn as an advisor, had him
arrested and eventually expelled. What Solzhenitsyn told Brezhnev
in that letter was, basically, to keep the communist power structure but
switch to capitalist economy. The funny thing is that Solzhenitsyn
letter (which was an open letter) was apparently read, with
understanding by the Chinese, who acted accordingly, and
50 years later here we are. Meanwhile, Russia is doing the
usual thing Russia has always been doing:

1. not getting its economy in order,

2. not getting its government in order,

3. complaining forever about the evil West trying to get it,

4. ...while displaying signs of gargantuan inferiority complex
with respect to the West,

5. invading its neighbours,

6. sulking that it doesn't get to play its "empire" clown show.

> As Putin said: "we're starting nothing yet". Don't poke the Bear.

As I said, Putin knows how to play with western resolve, he is
trained in this sort of poker game. The bear is dead.

> Meanwhile, Zilonsky will resume his comedian's career in Broadway.

Maybe, maybe not.

--
Jan

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:56:52 AM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
> >> JanPB wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:57:09 AM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> JanPB wrote:
> >> >> > On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >> >> >> Old bitter prune,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why do you childishly keep inventing stuff about other people?
> >> >> sure, just wait till you arrive Siberia, you stupid polak.
> >> >
> >> > Putin must be destroyed. Not necessarily physically, I mean his
> >> > power.
> >> > And also The Hague is a perfectly acceptable solution.
> >>
> >> hague??
> >
> > Yes.
> those terrorist wankers killing the president of Yugoslavia, by intent?
> You perverted PLC programmer.

I don't even know what "PLC programmer" is. Where do you find
those silly terms from? Is there some Google generator of those
idiocies? Like a generator of anonymous handles that you use?

> That "hague" will be soon saturated, as
> well, as it deserves.

Keep dreaming.

--
Jan

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 9:29:54 PM UTC, Richard Hertz wrote:
> I am intrigued by the possible post 1904 development of the civilized world in
> the hypothetical case that Lorentz, realizing how stupid and worthless was his
> work, since 1892, trying to find a theory that could satisfy FitzGerald's proposal of length contraction in the order of squares of v/c, to justify MMX.
>
> Suppose that he gave up on his relativity by 1903, and followed other topics in
> optics or theories about electrodynamics.
>
> I think that the following could have happened:
>
> 1) Hasenohrl's 1905 paper could have been widely accepted, and a
> relationship E = 3/4 mc^2 would have been established.
>
> 2) Einstein would have been working as a clerk till retirement.

> 3) Minkowski's name would have had no impact at all in physics.

The following quote comes from page 131 in My life : recollections of a Nobel laureate by Born, Max, 1882-1970

Outside the circle of physicists and mathematicians, Minkowski's contribution to relativity is hardly known. Yet it is upon his work that the imposing structures of modern field theories have been built. He discovered the formal equivalence of three space coordinates and the time variable, and developed the transformation theory in this four-dimensional universe. He told me later that it came to him as a great shock when Einstein published his paper in which the equivalence of the different local times of observers moving relative to each other was pronounced; for he had reached the same conclusions independently but did not publish them because he wished first to work out the mathematical structure in all its splendour. He never made a priority claim and always gave Einstein his full share in the great discovery.

[snipped rest]

Larry

On 3/4/2023 4:27 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:07:21 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
>>> whodat wrote:
>>>
>>>>> See a doctor. Something's the matter with your head. If you do not live
>>>>> in the US, you can get an on-demand MRI of the head quite cheap out of
>>>>> your pocket (about the equivalent of $200 give or take). I'd consider
>>>>> it if I were you. -- Jan
>>>>
>>>> That's almost universal for these sci newsgroups.
>>> you did see that doctor already?? you stinking sack of stinking shit.
>> Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
>> trying to destabilise the western resolve (which he, admittedly, plays
>> extremely well, of course he was trained by the KGB to do precisely
>> that).
>>
>> He thought after Crimea and Biden's disaster of Afghanistan it
>> will be a cakewalk, a 3-day "special operation". He never expected,
>> despite all his clever training, to step into the same trap that
>> Brezhnev stepped into. And his finish and Russia's will be very similar.
>> History does not repeat itself but it does rhyme (Twain).

So many stupid misjudgements. Putler supposedly attacked Ukraine, in
part, to stop them from joining NATO. What does he get? Soon NATO with a
new 800 mile border with Russia (Finland). And Sweden as well. Two
previously neutral countries who realized they might be next. (not like
Russia could conquer Finland...)
>>
>> --
>> Jan
>
> You know nothing, relativistic mathematician.
>
> After Bakhmut fall, in the next days and with or without 20,000 ukies as POW, NATO will eat shit in disgrace. Ukraine is already lost.

Taking Bakhmut after 6 months of trying, and in the process losing twice
as many soldiers KIA as there were originally Bakhmut residents, and
Russia would have a flattened city to show for it? Adding Bakhmut to the
list of cities Russia has conquered in the last 6 months, such as...
ummm...let me think...it will come to me... As far as Ukraine is
concerned, Bakhmut is ALREADY a success since they ground down so many
Russian soldiers into sunflower fertilizer in Bakhmut. Sunflower
fertilizer no longer fights back.
>
> Ukinatos will retreat to the west side of the Dnieper River, which will be the frontier of Novorossinia and Ukraineleft.

Putin's wet dream, becoming less and less likely.
>
> 600,000+ ukranians lost their life or are severely impaired, the "collective west" will have to accept defeat, and a demilitarized zone
> will be imposed by Russia or ELSE.

The demilitarized zone needs to be taken from Russian territory, every
part of Russia within 20 km of the (pre-2014) Ukrainian border needs to
be part of the DMZ.
>
> As Putin said: "we're starting nothing yet". Don't poke the Bear.

The retarded bear did the poking, much to its dismay.
Also countries with a crest which looks like a chicken shouldn't provoke
countries with a crest which looks like a fork...
>
> Meanwhile, Zilonsky will resume his comedian's career in Broadway.

Zelenskyy is a great comedian! He changed the Russian military from
something that was feared into the laughing stock of the world!

On 3/4/2023 4:03 PM, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:56:52 AM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:57:09 AM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
>>>> JanPB wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>>>> Old bitter prune,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you childishly keep inventing stuff about other people?
>>>> sure, just wait till you arrive Siberia, you stupid polak.
>>>
>>> Putin must be destroyed. Not necessarily physically, I mean his power.
>>> And also The Hague is a perfectly acceptable solution.
>>
>> hague??
>
> Yes.

Putler and his minions not only have war crimes to answer for, but
crimes against humanity, which is an even higher level of depravity.
>
>> you stinking polak, you and your government will end your stinking
>> lives there, for instigating, performing terrorism on infrastructure of
>> another state, here Germany and Russia. You stinking lying hypocrite.
>
> Calm yourself. Russia has been the constant source of trouble for
> its neighbours for centuries. That bill is at long last coming due.
> Many western intellectuals, sadly, do not understand Russia's
> motivations here, they seriously think that Putin invaded Ukraine
> because of the NATO expansion.

And they'll soon have NATO expansion to show for it (Sweden and Finland)!

> This is a serious error which
> is even more strange given the fact that Putin, like Hitler in his
> "Mein Kampf", describes exactly what he wants to accomplish.
> I tend to agree with Konstantin Kisin in the UK that most western
> politicians are simply not briefed in sufficient detail about hundreds
> and hundreds of pages of Putin's speeches so hypotheses like
> "NATO expansion" gain traction even among otherwise very
> sensible people (in the US) like Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron
> Mate, etc.
>
>> the size of polakia will soon be zerooo,
>
> You are like all those dreamers on this NG. Stop fantasising, this
> strategy is worthless for debate.

I'm beginning to think Poland could march into Moscow in a few weeks if
they really wanted to. That's without NATO's help.
>
>> and if the traitor putin goes,
>
> He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> goon, Erich Honecker.

You mean Putin may drink some of his own polonium tea?
>
>> then in 24 hours you have no polakia and probably other stinking nazi
>> capitalist states.
>
> Hurting, much?
>
>> You removed the link, which proves you a son of a bitch
>> lying uneducated wanker.
>
> I didn't even noticed there was a link there. I responded to
> the mountain of immature nonsense you keep posting here,
> not to any link.

Just more Russian propaganda.

On 3/3/2023 1:35 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> And do you still believe that adjusting
> clocks to your ISO idiocy means "Newton
> mode"? You're such an amazing idiot,
> stupid Mike.

Janitor, how can I answer such a comment that's not even wrong?

Quit huffing that cleaning fluid and get back to work!

On Sunday, 5 March 2023 at 07:03:36 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 3/3/2023 1:35 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> > And do you still believe that adjusting
> > clocks to your ISO idiocy means "Newton
> > mode"? You're such an amazing idiot,
> > stupid Mike.
> Janitor, how can I answer such a comment that's not even wrong?

The way you always answer right comments -
barking, spitting, slandering, insulting.

And do you still believe that adjusting
clocks to your ISO idiocy means "Newton
mode"? You're such an amazing idiot,
stupid Mike.

On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:

>
> [ … ]
>
>> and if the traitor putin goes,
> He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> goon, Erich Honecker.

Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in a
salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.

If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would
happen in the next few years:

1. The USSR would collapse;

2. The Soviet Bloc would disappear;`

3. Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and the Baltic countries would
become normal western countries;

4. Rumania, Bulgaria and Albania would be making tentative steps
towards democracy;

5. Germany would be united;

6. The military dictatorships in Chile and Uruguay would disappear and
both countries would return to being functioning democracies;

7. Apartheid in South Africa would disappear;

8. They would have finished digging up the highway around Cannes;

they would have been ridiculed as totally out of touch with reality.
Yet all of these apart from No. 8 happened, and even the roadworks in
Cannes finished eventually.

As a general point, making predictions about what will happen in the
near future is liable to major errors.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:
>
> >
> > [ … ]
> >
> >> and if the traitor putin goes,
> > He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> > succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> > goon, Erich Honecker.
>
> Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in a
> salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.
>
> If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would
> happen in the next few years:
>
> 1. The USSR would collapse;
>
> 2. The Soviet Bloc would disappear;`

Adrei Amalrik had predicted just that, already in 1970.
In: Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?
He didn't go into detail about the consequences.
He was only a ew years off.

OTOH you may argue that Andrei Sakharov predicted just the opposite.
Amalrik was right, Sakharov was wrong.
My idea on it is that Sakharov hoped that his
would be a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Unfortunately, in the long run, they were both wrong.
Russia will always be a secret police state,
run by a tsar,

Jan

On Sunday, 5 March 2023 at 12:38:16 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:
> >
> > >
> > > [ … ]
> > >
> > >> and if the traitor putin goes,
> > > He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> > > succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> > > goon, Erich Honecker.
> >
> > Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in a
> > salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.
> >
> > If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would
> > happen in the next few years:
> >
> > 1. The USSR would collapse;
> >
> > 2. The Soviet Bloc would disappear;`
> Adrei Amalrik had predicted just that, already in 1970.
> In: Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?
> He didn't go into detail about the consequences.
> He was only a ew years off.
>
> OTOH you may argue that Andrei Sakharov predicted just the opposite.
> Amalrik was right, Sakharov was wrong.
> My idea on it is that Sakharov hoped that his
> would be a self-fulfilling prophesy.
>
> Unfortunately, in the long run, they were both wrong.
> Russia will always be a secret police state,
> run by a tsar,

Only JanPB can never be wrong.

On Sunday, 5 March 2023 at 12:38:16 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:
> >
> > >
> > > [ … ]
> > >
> > >> and if the traitor putin goes,
> > > He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> > > succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> > > goon, Erich Honecker.
> >
> > Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in a
> > salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.
> >
> > If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would
> > happen in the next few years:
> >
> > 1. The USSR would collapse;
> >
> > 2. The Soviet Bloc would disappear;`
> Adrei Amalrik had predicted just that, already in 1970.
> In: Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?
> He didn't go into detail about the consequences.
> He was only a ew years off.
>
> OTOH you may argue that Andrei Sakharov predicted just the opposite.
> Amalrik was right, Sakharov was wrong.
> My idea on it is that Sakharov hoped that his
> would be a self-fulfilling prophesy.
>
> Unfortunately, in the long run, they were both wrong.
> Russia will always be a secret police state,
> run by a tsar,

Because poor idiot Jan can never be wrong.

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:23:44 AM UTC-3, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:
>
> >
> > [ … ]
> >
> >> and if the traitor putin goes,
> > He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> > succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> > goon, Erich Honecker.
> Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in a
> salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.
>
> If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would
> happen in the next few years:
>
> 1. The USSR would collapse;
>
> 2. The Soviet Bloc would disappear;`
>
> 3. Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and the Baltic countries would
> become normal western countries;
>
> 4. Rumania, Bulgaria and Albania would be making tentative steps
> towards democracy;
>
> 5. Germany would be united;
>
> 6. The military dictatorships in Chile and Uruguay would disappear and
> both countries would return to being functioning democracies;
>
> 7. Apartheid in South Africa would disappear;
>
> 8. They would have finished digging up the highway around Cannes;
>
> they would have been ridiculed as totally out of touch with reality.
> Yet all of these apart from No. 8 happened, and even the roadworks in
> Cannes finished eventually.
>
> As a general point, making predictions about what will happen in the
> near future is liable to major errors.
>
>
> --
> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

I know an imbecile, working as advisor for the White House, that in 1989 wrote a book: THE END OF HISTORY.

Francis Fukuyama

The cretin is still making money with his shit.

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:23:44 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:
>
> >
> > [ … ]
> >
> >> and if the traitor putin goes,
> > He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> > succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> > goon, Erich Honecker.
> Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in a
> salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.

Why unlikely? Many Germans emigrated there after WWII.

> If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would
> happen in the next few years:
>
> 1. The USSR would collapse;
>
> 2. The Soviet Bloc would disappear;`
>
> 3. Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and the Baltic countries would
> become normal western countries;
>
> 4. Rumania, Bulgaria and Albania would be making tentative steps
> towards democracy;
>
> 5. Germany would be united;
>
> 6. The military dictatorships in Chile and Uruguay would disappear and
> both countries would return to being functioning democracies;
>
> 7. Apartheid in South Africa would disappear;
>
> 8. They would have finished digging up the highway around Cannes;

:-)

> they would have been ridiculed as totally out of touch with reality.

Yes.

> Yet all of these apart from No. 8 happened, and even the roadworks in
> Cannes finished eventually.
>
> As a general point, making predictions about what will happen in the
> near future is liable to major errors.

True but people always speculate that way without specifically qualifying
every sentence with "this is only a speculation", etc.

So [my speculation is] Russia will end up finishing this episode in
a far worse position it was in before. It's Brezhnev 2.0 all over again.
I'm surprised Putin fell for it, given his open criticism of Lenin and
Stalin. He should have smelled the rat. My _speculation_ again is
that his successes in Chechnya and the lack of any significant
response from the West after his Anschluss of Crimea has filled
his head with soda water (as we say in Polish). At that point he
was simply gauging the right moment to start the invasion (he knew
that coming up with a good reason was an easy standard exercise
in propaganda: in this case there was the obvious low-hanging fruit in
the form of the NATO expansion which he knew he could
reasonably count on most western intellectuals to swallow
without much historical reflection). But he also knew he could not do it
with Trump at the White House due to Trump's unpredictability
(whether this perception was true or false is another matter) but
as soon as he saw Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan,
and even things like the US Army getting transgender sensitivity
training, etc., he decided it was a good time to act. He counted on
the West reacting the same way as to the Crimea episode, with
the entire operation over in 3 days or so, and with Zelensky either
dead or escaping to Israel. But the thing blew up in his face instead.

Now he has to eat the soup he has cooked, and it will only get worse
for him [speculation].

--
Jan

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:48:12 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:23:44 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:
> >
> > >
> > > [ … ]
> > >
> > >> and if the traitor putin goes,
> > > He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> > > succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> > > goon, Erich Honecker.
> > Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in a
> > salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.
> Why unlikely? Many Germans emigrated there after WWII.
> > If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would
> > happen in the next few years:
> >
> > 1. The USSR would collapse;
> >
> > 2. The Soviet Bloc would disappear;`
> >
> > 3. Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and the Baltic countries would
> > become normal western countries;
> >
> > 4. Rumania, Bulgaria and Albania would be making tentative steps
> > towards democracy;
> >
> > 5. Germany would be united;
> >
> > 6. The military dictatorships in Chile and Uruguay would disappear and
> > both countries would return to being functioning democracies;
> >
> > 7. Apartheid in South Africa would disappear;
> >
> > 8. They would have finished digging up the highway around Cannes;
> :-)
> > they would have been ridiculed as totally out of touch with reality.
> Yes.
> > Yet all of these apart from No. 8 happened, and even the roadworks in
> > Cannes finished eventually.
> >
> > As a general point, making predictions about what will happen in the
> > near future is liable to major errors.
> True but people always speculate that way without specifically qualifying
> every sentence with "this is only a speculation", etc.
>
> So [my speculation is] Russia will end up finishing this episode in
> a far worse position it was in before. It's Brezhnev 2.0 all over again.
> I'm surprised Putin fell for it, given his open criticism of Lenin and
> Stalin. He should have smelled the rat. My _speculation_ again is
> that his successes in Chechnya and the lack of any significant
> response from the West after his Anschluss of Crimea has filled
> his head with soda water (as we say in Polish). At that point he
> was simply gauging the right moment to start the invasion (he knew
> that coming up with a good reason was an easy standard exercise
> in propaganda: in this case there was the obvious low-hanging fruit in
> the form of the NATO expansion which he knew he could
> reasonably count on most western intellectuals to swallow
> without much historical reflection). But he also knew he could not do it
> with Trump at the White House due to Trump's unpredictability
> (whether this perception was true or false is another matter) but
> as soon as he saw Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan,
> and even things like the US Army getting transgender sensitivity
> training, etc., he decided it was a good time to act. He counted on
> the West reacting the same way as to the Crimea episode, with
> the entire operation over in 3 days or so, and with Zelensky either
> dead or escaping to Israel. But the thing blew up in his face instead.
>
> Now he has to eat the soup he has cooked, and it will only get worse
> for him [speculation].
>
> --
> Jan

Russia is the most powerful nuclear power in the world. And its military technology is unsurpassed.

You don't fuck with powerful countries like Russia. Period.

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:38:16 AM UTC-8, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:
> >
> > >
> > > [ … ]
> > >
> > >> and if the traitor putin goes,
> > > He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> > > succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> > > goon, Erich Honecker.
> >
> > Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in a
> > salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.
> >
> > If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would
> > happen in the next few years:
> >
> > 1. The USSR would collapse;
> >
> > 2. The Soviet Bloc would disappear;`
> Adrei Amalrik had predicted just that, already in 1970.
> In: Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?
> He didn't go into detail about the consequences.
> He was only a ew years off.

Yes, his book was very famous at the time. Everyone in the
then-communist Poland was trying to get his hands on the
Polish translation published by "Kultura" in Paris. Amalrik
IIRC died in a car accident in Spain under murky circumstances,
people at the time assumed it was a KGB operation.

> OTOH you may argue that Andrei Sakharov predicted just the opposite.
> Amalrik was right, Sakharov was wrong.
> My idea on it is that Sakharov hoped that his
> would be a self-fulfilling prophesy.
>
> Unfortunately, in the long run, they were both wrong.
> Russia will always be a secret police state,
> run by a tsar,

Yes, that's the bottom line. As Konstantin Kisin pointed out in
one of his "Triggernometry" YT shows, one of the cultural
problems in Russia is that the very word "democracy" in
an average Russian mind connotes exclusively the period
of the 1990s where things were more or less free but also
awful: rampant organised crime and inflation about 80% (IIRC).

And the new tsar came in (Putin) and put things in order.
So naturally, he is supported there. It's a centuries-old
self-perpetuating cycle of internal economical and
the resulting mental slavery in Russia.

--
Jan

JanPB wrote:

>> Adrei Amalrik had predicted just that, already in 1970.
>> In: Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?
>> He didn't go into detail about the consequences.
>> He was only a ew years off.
>
> Yes, his book was very famous at the time. Everyone in the
> then-communist Poland was trying to get his hands on the Polish
> translation published by "Kultura" in Paris. Amalrik IIRC died in a car
> accident in Spain under murky circumstances, people at the time assumed
> it was a KGB operation.

you despicable lying shit. Here's another proof, what the nazi polakers
are doing in the middle of europe. Parallel with terrorist actions, as
blowing up rigid energy and gas pipelines infrastructure, which is not
theirs.

you end your shit in hague, whether recognized by america or not. You are
so terrorists and *_deep_criminals_*, you don't even recognize the
tribunal in Hague.

*_NATO_military_equipment_in_the_port_of_Gdynia,_nazi_Poland_*.
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/video/r0OdBAfwcHnU

people, watch the proof, for the nazi criminals of polakia.

Volney wrote:

> On 3/3/2023 1:35 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>> And do you still believe that adjusting clocks to your ISO idiocy means
>> "Newton mode"? You're such an amazing idiot, stupid Mike.
> Janitor, how can I answer such a comment that's not even wrong?
> Quit huffing that cleaning fluid and get back to work!

nazi_lenske, in a *_Christian_country_*, not even making *_The_Cross_* in
front of the cemetery, openly felt with nazi_flags, for the dead nazis he
sent to die for him.

Nazi-Lensky Lays Flowers At NeoNazi Graveyard Full Of UPA
Flags
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/video/QbIhwdLfyg5s

The role of the United States in the coup on the Maidan in Ukraine in
2014.
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/video/iPugDyfPv26v

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 10:52:57 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:48:12 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:23:44 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > > On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > [ … ]
> > > >
> > > >> and if the traitor putin goes,
> > > > He will go, yes. He may be able to leave alive. My guess is he'll
> > > > succumb to a mysterious disease, like another communist
> > > > goon, Erich Honecker.
> > > Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in a
> > > salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.
> > Why unlikely? Many Germans emigrated there after WWII.
> > > If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would
> > > happen in the next few years:
> > >
> > > 1. The USSR would collapse;
> > >
> > > 2. The Soviet Bloc would disappear;`
> > >
> > > 3. Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and the Baltic countries would
> > > become normal western countries;
> > >
> > > 4. Rumania, Bulgaria and Albania would be making tentative steps
> > > towards democracy;
> > >
> > > 5. Germany would be united;
> > >
> > > 6. The military dictatorships in Chile and Uruguay would disappear and
> > > both countries would return to being functioning democracies;
> > >
> > > 7. Apartheid in South Africa would disappear;
> > >
> > > 8. They would have finished digging up the highway around Cannes;
> > :-)
> > > they would have been ridiculed as totally out of touch with reality.
> > Yes.
> > > Yet all of these apart from No. 8 happened, and even the roadworks in
> > > Cannes finished eventually.
> > >
> > > As a general point, making predictions about what will happen in the
> > > near future is liable to major errors.
> > True but people always speculate that way without specifically qualifying
> > every sentence with "this is only a speculation", etc.
> >
> > So [my speculation is] Russia will end up finishing this episode in
> > a far worse position it was in before. It's Brezhnev 2.0 all over again..
> > I'm surprised Putin fell for it, given his open criticism of Lenin and
> > Stalin. He should have smelled the rat. My _speculation_ again is
> > that his successes in Chechnya and the lack of any significant
> > response from the West after his Anschluss of Crimea has filled
> > his head with soda water (as we say in Polish). At that point he
> > was simply gauging the right moment to start the invasion (he knew
> > that coming up with a good reason was an easy standard exercise
> > in propaganda: in this case there was the obvious low-hanging fruit in
> > the form of the NATO expansion which he knew he could
> > reasonably count on most western intellectuals to swallow
> > without much historical reflection). But he also knew he could not do it
> > with Trump at the White House due to Trump's unpredictability
> > (whether this perception was true or false is another matter) but
> > as soon as he saw Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan,
> > and even things like the US Army getting transgender sensitivity
> > training, etc., he decided it was a good time to act. He counted on
> > the West reacting the same way as to the Crimea episode, with
> > the entire operation over in 3 days or so, and with Zelensky either
> > dead or escaping to Israel. But the thing blew up in his face instead.
> >
> > Now he has to eat the soup he has cooked, and it will only get worse
> > for him [speculation].
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> Russia is the most powerful nuclear power in the world.

Yes, but Putin knows he cannot use it or he'll be dead within hours.

> And its military technology is unsurpassed.

This is a joke, right?

> You don't fuck with powerful countries like Russia. Period.

Just imagine the Allies following your advice during WWII.

Yes, you do fuck them (not around). The only way to
negotiate with a gangster is by pounding your fist on the table.
Only then he will respect you and (oddly) may become quite
friendly with you. (This is what happened between Kim of
North Korea and Trump - this was VERY characteristic and
it played totally according to the standard patterns of such
interactions.) For some reason the West has become quite
tepid today(*) which is something Putin is very well aware
of and is playing this card to the max.

(*)Sometimes I wonder what the WWII would be like if the
West in the 1940s had the (lack of) the resolve and fortitude of today.

The worst thing one can do with this sort of gangster is to
negotiate a face-saving solution. You'll only earn a near total
contempt from him (just look how Putin treated Macron) and
you'll be practically openly laughed at, achieving precisely nothing.

Remember that peace-at-all-cost after Austria et al.
has eventually ended in Auschwitz. It's simply not always a good
strategy, despite all the good feelings for peace (obviously):
it presumes the opponent is, at the end of the day,
sort of "reasonable" and in some sense "just like us" except
"caught in his country's problems", etc. But it doesn't work that
way: a gangster is like a sociopath: normal human responses
are not operating there.

I quoted the following before but I'll repeat it: the first book-length
description of the Soviet GULag system was written by a writer
who experinced it himself during WWII: Gustaw Herling-Grudziński.
He was from Poland and after WWII he ended up living in Italy.
(His book is called "A World Apart", with an introduction by
Bertrand Russell. It's not very long and an amazing read.)
Anyway, whenever he was asked by his western friends
how to understand communists and communism, he'd say:
"Just watch American gangster movies. You'll find in them
everything you need to know."

--
Jan

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:15:20 AM UTC-8, Jedadiah Sultana wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
>
> >> Adrei Amalrik had predicted just that, already in 1970.
> >> In: Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?
> >> He didn't go into detail about the consequences.
> >> He was only a ew years off.
> >
> > Yes, his book was very famous at the time. Everyone in the
> > then-communist Poland was trying to get his hands on the Polish
> > translation published by "Kultura" in Paris. Amalrik IIRC died in a car
> > accident in Spain under murky circumstances, people at the time assumed
> > it was a KGB operation.
> you despicable lying shit.

It's a fact that that's was people were saying at the time.

> Here's another proof, what the nazi polakers
> are doing in the middle of europe. Parallel with terrorist actions, as
> blowing up rigid energy and gas pipelines infrastructure, which is not
> theirs.

You sure you are not an AI program?

> you end your shit in hague, whether recognized by america or not. You are
> so terrorists and *_deep_criminals_*, you don't even recognize the
> tribunal in Hague.
>
> *_NATO_military_equipment_in_the_port_of_Gdynia,_nazi_Poland_*.
> https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/video/r0OdBAfwcHnU
>
> people, watch the proof, for the nazi criminals of polakia.

Is this supposed to be a rebuttal or a comedy act?

--
Jan