On 2023-03-05 18:48:10 +0000, JanPB said:

> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:23:44 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:>> >> > [ … ]
>>>
>>>> and if the traitor putin goes,> > He will go, yes. He may be able to
>>>> leave alive. My guess is he'll> > succumb to a mysterious disease, like
>>>> another communist> > goon, Erich Honecker.
>> Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in
>> a> salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.
> Why unlikely? Many Germans emigrated there after WWII.

Unlikely because only a short while before Honecker went to the Chilean
Embassy in Moscow Augusto Pinochet was still in power. He wasn't very
keen on European communists (though, remarkably, he had excellent
relations with communist China).
>
>> If anyone in 1988 had made the following predictions about what would>
>> happen in the next few years:>> 1. The USSR would collapse;>> 2. The
>> Soviet Bloc would disappear;`>> 3. Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and
>> the Baltic countries would> become normal western countries;>> 4.
>> Rumania, Bulgaria and Albania would be making tentative steps> towards
>> democracy;>> 5. Germany would be united;>> 6. The military
>> dictatorships in Chile and Uruguay would disappear and> both countries
>> would return to being functioning democracies;>> 7. Apartheid in South
>> Africa would disappear;>> 8. They would have finished digging up the
>> highway around Cannes;
> :-)
>
>> they would have been ridiculed as totally out of touch with reality.
> Yes.
>
>> Yet all of these apart from No. 8 happened, and even the roadworks in>
>> Cannes finished eventually.>> As a general point, making predictions
>> about what will happen in the> near future is liable to major errors.
>
> True but people always speculate that way without specifically qualifying
> every sentence with "this is only a speculation", etc.
>
> So [my speculation is] Russia will end up finishing this episode in
> a far worse position it was in before. It's Brezhnev 2.0 all over again.
> I'm surprised Putin fell for it, given his open criticism of Lenin and
> Stalin. He should have smelled the rat. My _speculation_ again is
> that his successes in Chechnya and the lack of any significant
> response from the West after his Anschluss of Crimea has filled
> his head with soda water (as we say in Polish). At that point he
> was simply gauging the right moment to start the invasion (he knew
> that coming up with a good reason was an easy standard exercise
> in propaganda: in this case there was the obvious low-hanging fruit in
> the form of the NATO expansion which he knew he could
> reasonably count on most western intellectuals to swallow
> without much historical reflection). But he also knew he could not do it
> with Trump at the White House due to Trump's unpredictability
> (whether this perception was true or false is another matter) but
> as soon as he saw Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan,
> and even things like the US Army getting transgender sensitivity
> training, etc., he decided it was a good time to act. He counted on
> the West reacting the same way as to the Crimea episode, with
> the entire operation over in 3 days or so, and with Zelensky either
> dead or escaping to Israel. But the thing blew up in his face instead.
>
> Now he has to eat the soup he has cooked, and it will only get worse
> for him [speculation].

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 12:09:45 PM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-03-05 18:48:10 +0000, JanPB said:
>
> > On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:23:44 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> On 2023-03-04 21:03:46 +0000, JanPB said:>> >> > [ … ]
> >>>
> >>>> and if the traitor putin goes,> > He will go, yes. He may be able to
> >>>> leave alive. My guess is he'll> > succumb to a mysterious disease, like
> >>>> another communist> > goon, Erich Honecker.
> >> Erich Honecker didn't exactly succumb: he lived out his retirement in
> >> a> salubrious part of Santiago, Chile -- of all unlikely places.
> > Why unlikely? Many Germans emigrated there after WWII.
>
> Unlikely because only a short while before Honecker went to the Chilean
> Embassy in Moscow Augusto Pinochet was still in power. He wasn't very
> keen on European communists (though, remarkably, he had excellent
> relations with communist China).

He must have been keen enough given that Honecker's wife Margot and
their daughter(?) were already there. Margot was apparently quite
popular in the German circles there.

--
Jan

On 3/5/2023 1:38 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 March 2023 at 07:03:36 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>> On 3/3/2023 1:35 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>>> And do you still believe that adjusting
>>> clocks to your ISO idiocy means "Newton
>>> mode"? You're such an amazing idiot,
>>> stupid Mike.
>> Janitor, how can I answer such a comment that's not even wrong?

> And do you still believe that adjusting
> clocks to your ISO idiocy means "Newton
> mode"?

You never answered my question, toilet scrubber. How can anyone answer
such a question that is not even wrong (as Wolfgang Pauli used the phrase) ?

On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 07:51:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 3/5/2023 1:38 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Sunday, 5 March 2023 at 07:03:36 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >> On 3/3/2023 1:35 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>
> >>> And do you still believe that adjusting
> >>> clocks to your ISO idiocy means "Newton
> >>> mode"? You're such an amazing idiot,
> >>> stupid Mike.
> >> Janitor, how can I answer such a comment that's not even wrong?
>
> > And do you still believe that adjusting
> > clocks to your ISO idiocy means "Newton
> > mode"?
> You never answered my question, toilet scrubber. How can anyone answer
> such a question that is not even wrong (as Wolfgang Pauli used the phrase) ?

A lie of course, as expected from relativistic trash.
I answered and I can repeat - the way you're always
answerring right (not wrong) comments is barking,
insult and slanders.
And you still believe that adjusting clocks to your ISO
idiocy means "Newton mode". You're really an amazing
idiot, even considering relativistic standards.

On March 4, JanPB wrote:
> Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
> trying to destabilise the western resolve
> He never expected, despite all his clever training, to step into the same trap that
> Brezhnev stepped into. And his finish and Russia's will be very similar.

The central fact of the cold war is unchanged: US, Russia, and China
have the ability to incinerate the planet.

--
Rich

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 11:17:57 AM UTC-8, RichD wrote:
> On March 4, JanPB wrote:
> > Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
> > trying to destabilise the western resolve
> > He never expected, despite all his clever training, to step into the same trap that
> > Brezhnev stepped into. And his finish and Russia's will be very similar..
> The central fact of the cold war is unchanged: US, Russia, and China
> have the ability to incinerate the planet.

Yes. And that's why the Munich approach to Putin would IMHO result
in a disaster. Also remember how Reagan treated Brezhnev, including
the little psy-op bit, viz. "evil empire".

--
Jan

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:13:05 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 11:17:57 AM UTC-8, RichD wrote:
> > On March 4, JanPB wrote:
> > > Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
> > > trying to destabilise the western resolve
> > > He never expected, despite all his clever training, to step into the same trap that
> > > Brezhnev stepped into. And his finish and Russia's will be very similar.
> > The central fact of the cold war is unchanged: US, Russia, and China
> > have the ability to incinerate the planet.
> Yes. And that's why the Munich approach to Putin would IMHO result
> in a disaster. Also remember how Reagan treated Brezhnev, including
> the little psy-op bit, viz. "evil empire".
>
> --
> Jan

Reagan was a mentally ill old fart cowboy, who ruined the life of million of persons in the entire world, and is responsible for
the extraordinary external debt of USA, as he sucked wealth from the world, exchanging it with worthless bonds.

The other cretins that followed him, like Clinton, just multiplied the problem 20X with globalization.

A puppet of zionism.

On 3/9/2023 5:03 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:13:05 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 11:17:57 AM UTC-8, RichD wrote:
>>> On March 4, JanPB wrote:
>>>> Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
>>>> trying to destabilise the western resolve

"which" resolve is that?

>>>> He never expected, despite all his clever training, to step into the same trap that
>>>> Brezhnev stepped into. And his finish and Russia's will be very similar.

>>> The central fact of the cold war is unchanged: US, Russia, and China
>>> have the ability to incinerate the planet.

>> Yes. And that's why the Munich approach to Putin would IMHO result
>> in a disaster. Also remember how Reagan treated Brezhnev, including
>> the little psy-op bit, viz. "evil empire".

>> Jan

> Reagan was a mentally ill old fart cowboy, who ruined the life of million of persons in the entire world, and is responsible for
> the extraordinary external debt of USA, as he sucked wealth from the world, exchanging it with worthless bonds.

Are you trying, and failing, to explain that money "is real?"

> The other cretins that followed him, like Clinton, just multiplied the problem 20X with globalization.

> A puppet of zionism.

Clue: Israel is real. Are you?

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:34:00 PM UTC-3, whodat wrote:
> On 3/9/2023 5:03 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:13:05 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> >> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 11:17:57 AM UTC-8, RichD wrote:
> >>> On March 4, JanPB wrote:
> >>>> Putin is finished. The only thing he can do is play the psy-op game
> >>>> trying to destabilise the western resolve
> "which" resolve is that?
> >>>> He never expected, despite all his clever training, to step into the same trap that
> >>>> Brezhnev stepped into. And his finish and Russia's will be very similar.
>
> >>> The central fact of the cold war is unchanged: US, Russia, and China
> >>> have the ability to incinerate the planet.
>
> >> Yes. And that's why the Munich approach to Putin would IMHO result
> >> in a disaster. Also remember how Reagan treated Brezhnev, including
> >> the little psy-op bit, viz. "evil empire".
> >> Jan
>
> > Reagan was a mentally ill old fart cowboy, who ruined the life of million of persons in the entire world, and is responsible for
> > the extraordinary external debt of USA, as he sucked wealth from the world, exchanging it with worthless bonds.
> Are you trying, and failing, to explain that money "is real?"
> > The other cretins that followed him, like Clinton, just multiplied the problem 20X with globalization.
>
> > A puppet of zionism.
> Clue: Israel is real. Are you?

Operative zionists are living at Washington D.C., London, New York and Tel Aviv. Israel is a country not different than Ukraine,
Germany, Spain, Italy, etc. Less than 0.1% of the adult population has all the privileges, and not even forever. The remaining 99.9%
are just pawns, here, there and everywhere.

Zionism is, currently, far above Israel interests. They have their own agenda. Read something about Schwab and the WEF.