Evidence:
Senile pervert Lyin' Biden's crappy approval numbers have dropped by 4% in ONE MONTH! Voters call him out of touch (was he every IN TOUCH?). The majority of voters say the economy is their Number One issue ("It's all about the economy, STUPID!). 72% say the country is on the WRONG TRACK. 75% of voters think that we ARE NOW in a recession.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-midterm-elections/index.html

The NH senate race of Hassen vs Bolduc has made a TEN POINT swing in just ONE MONTH in favor of GOP Bolduc!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/nh/new-hampshire-senate-bolduc-vs-hassan-7379.html

On 11/4/2022 4:11 PM, Flyguy wrote:
> Evidence:
> Senile pervert Lyin' Biden's crappy approval numbers have dropped by 4% in ONE MONTH! Voters call him out of touch (was he every IN TOUCH?). The majority of voters say the economy is their Number One issue ("It's all about the economy, STUPID!). 72% say the country is on the WRONG TRACK. 75% of voters think that we ARE NOW in a recession.
> https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-midterm-elections/index.html
>
> The NH senate race of Hassen vs Bolduc has made a TEN POINT swing in just ONE MONTH in favor of GOP Bolduc!
> https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/nh/new-hampshire-senate-bolduc-vs-hassan-7379.html

Family-friendly values are winning!

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On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:12:01 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
> Evidence:
> Senile pervert Lyin' Biden's crappy approval numbers have dropped by 4% in ONE MONTH! Voters call him out of touch (was he every IN TOUCH?). The majority of voters say the economy is their Number One issue ("It's all about the economy, STUPID!). 72% say the country is on the WRONG TRACK. 75% of voters think that we ARE NOW in a recession.
> https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-midterm-elections/index.html
>
> The NH senate race of Hassen vs Bolduc has made a TEN POINT swing in just ONE MONTH in favor of GOP Bolduc!
> https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/nh/new-hampshire-senate-bolduc-vs-hassan-7379.html

Polls are about the people being polled and not the subject matter of the polling, You should know that by now. Politicians have to pay attention to the polls because they need the votes, but beyond that, nobody in their right mind would give two cents for what the general public thinks about ANYTHING.

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 6:35:33 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > Evidence:
> > Joe Biden's approval numbers have dropped by 4% in ONE MONTH! Voters call him out of touch (was he every IN TOUCH?).
>
> Was Gnatguy ever in touch? He's firmly coupled to the Republican propaganda machine, and full of the information they want to give him.
> > The majority of voters say the economy is their Number One issue ("It's all about the economy, STUPID!). 72% say the country is on the WRONG TRACK.. 75% of voters think that we ARE NOW in a recession.
> If Trump had mishandled the Covid-19 epidemic less distastrously. the US economy might now be in better shape, but Gnatguy wants to blame the guys in charge right now. all fall they are Democrats.
> > https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-midterm-elections/index.html
> >
> > The NH senate race of Hassen vs Bolduc has made a TEN POINT swing in just ONE MONTH in favor of GOP Bolduc!
> > https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/nh/new-hampshire-senate-bolduc-vs-hassan-7379.html
> Gnatguy does love his cherry-picking. Of course Hassen is now back in front, if not by much.

This is representative of virtually ALL of the close races, Bozo.

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, sydney
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bozo is now in the STUTTERING MODE!

You sound EXACTLY like the rest of the libtards - you can't come up with ANY Lyin' Biden policies that have made people's lives measurably better, so you are resorting to BLAMING TRUMP! HELLO: Trump HAS NOT been president for the last TWO YEARS, that senile pervert Lyin' Biden HAS!!!

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:32:40 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:12:01 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
> > Evidence:
> > Senile pervert Lyin' Biden's crappy approval numbers have dropped by 4% in ONE MONTH! Voters call him out of touch (was he every IN TOUCH?). The majority of voters say the economy is their Number One issue ("It's all about the economy, STUPID!). 72% say the country is on the WRONG TRACK. 75% of voters think that we ARE NOW in a recession.
> > https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-midterm-elections/index.html
> >
> > The NH senate race of Hassen vs Bolduc has made a TEN POINT swing in just ONE MONTH in favor of GOP Bolduc!
> > https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/nh/new-hampshire-senate-bolduc-vs-hassan-7379.html
> Polls are about the people being polled and not the subject matter of the polling, You should know that by now. Politicians have to pay attention to the polls because they need the votes, but beyond that, nobody in their right mind would give two cents for what the general public thinks about ANYTHING.

Well, then there are MILLIONS of people NOT in their right mind! Polls are used in virtually every aspect of campaigning, from fundraising, to driving out the vote, to media election analysis. That said, polls are notoriously inaccurate and should be taken with a healthy grain of salt. Nonetheless, the shift to the Republicans, especially among independents, in the last month is very dramatic. And we will shortly see how accurate, or inaccurate, they are.

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:35:22 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:32:40 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

> > Polls are about the people being polled and not the subject matter of the polling, You should know that by now. Politicians have to pay attention to the polls because they need the votes, but beyond that, nobody in their right mind would give two cents for what the general public thinks about ANYTHING.

> Well, then there are MILLIONS of people NOT in their right mind! Polls are used in virtually every aspect of campaigning, from fundraising, to driving out the vote, to media election analysis.

Used in campaigning, meaning the manic fringe of campaigners will loudly trumpet poll numbers
for shock effect (assuming they can locate a shocking poll number). Voters are better guided by
independent thought, though; the poll isn't a guide for your vote, it's a guess at your neighbors votes.

On 11/9/2022 7:21 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Wise of Gnatguy to get his jubilation in before the actual event. The hoped for red-wave turns out to have been more of a red ripple.
>

The US "left wing media" (that is to say, almost entirely owned and
operated by wing nut super-rich, CNN included, and now Twitter as well)
was pushing the "red wave" narrative so hard, and the "inflation is
killing the working class" narrative so hard.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
> On 11/9/2022 7:21 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Wise of Gnatguy to get his jubilation in before the actual event. The hoped for red-wave turns out to have been more of a red ripple.
> >
> The US "left wing media" (that is to say, almost entirely owned and
> operated by wing nut super-rich, CNN included, and now Twitter as well)
> was pushing the "red wave" narrative so hard, and the "inflation is
> killing the working class" narrative so hard.

Putin and Musk are disappointed, but 49-49-2 in Senate would be enough to stop rubber stamping congress.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:15:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
> > On 11/9/2022 7:21 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Wise of Gnatguy to get his jubilation in before the actual event. The hoped for red-wave turns out to have been more of a red ripple.
> > >
> > The US "left wing media" (that is to say, almost entirely owned and
> > operated by wing nut super-rich, CNN included, and now Twitter as well)
> > was pushing the "red wave" narrative so hard, and the "inflation is
> > killing the working class" narrative so hard.
> Putin and Musk are disappointed, but 49-49-2 in Senate would be enough to stop rubber stamping congress.

??? The 2 per cent are independent, who are just Democrats in sheep's clothing. Presently, with Wisconsin running out of votes, the Senate is down to three races, Nevada, Arizona and Georgia. Georgia has 2% of the votes uncounted, with a 1% Democratic lead, requiring a 3:1 Republican lean in these remaining votes to change the result. Arizona has 34% uncounted with a 5% Democratic lead, so strong, but not impossible to change. Nevada, with 23% uncounted, shows a Republican lead of 2.7%. Given the tendency for late ballot counts to be Democratic mail in votes, this is presently too close to call.

If you count votes (meaning the Independents plus Democrats) it is looking like another 50-50 split with a chance of retaining Nevada, which with the flip of Pennsylvania would give the Democrats a natural 51-49 lead without a vote by the VP, nullifying the ability of Manchin to throw monkey wrenches.

The house race looks like it's going Republican, the question is by how much?

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:28:47 AM UTC-8, Ricky wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:15:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
> > > On 11/9/2022 7:21 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > Wise of Gnatguy to get his jubilation in before the actual event. The hoped for red-wave turns out to have been more of a red ripple.
> > > >
> > > The US "left wing media" (that is to say, almost entirely owned and
> > > operated by wing nut super-rich, CNN included, and now Twitter as well)
> > > was pushing the "red wave" narrative so hard, and the "inflation is
> > > killing the working class" narrative so hard.
> > Putin and Musk are disappointed, but 49-49-2 in Senate would be enough to stop rubber stamping congress.
> ??? The 2 per cent are independent, who are just Democrats in sheep's clothing. Presently, with Wisconsin running out of votes, the Senate is down to three races, Nevada, Arizona and Georgia. Georgia has 2% of the votes uncounted, with a 1% Democratic lead, requiring a 3:1 Republican lean in these remaining votes to change the result. Arizona has 34% uncounted with a 5% Democratic lead, so strong, but not impossible to change. Nevada, with 23% uncounted, shows a Republican lead of 2.7%. Given the tendency for late ballot counts to be Democratic mail in votes, this is presently too close to call.
>
> If you count votes (meaning the Independents plus Democrats) it is looking like another 50-50 split with a chance of retaining Nevada, which with the flip of Pennsylvania would give the Democrats a natural 51-49 lead without a vote by the VP, nullifying the ability of Manchin to throw monkey wrenches.
>
> The house race looks like it's going Republican, the question is by how much?

Yes, that might give Nancy an exit ramp. Violence against her husband is regrettable, but she's been in the house far too long.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 1:40:32 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:28:47 AM UTC-8, Ricky wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:15:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
> > > > On 11/9/2022 7:21 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > Wise of Gnatguy to get his jubilation in before the actual event. The hoped for red-wave turns out to have been more of a red ripple.
> > > > >
> > > > The US "left wing media" (that is to say, almost entirely owned and
> > > > operated by wing nut super-rich, CNN included, and now Twitter as well)
> > > > was pushing the "red wave" narrative so hard, and the "inflation is
> > > > killing the working class" narrative so hard.
> > > Putin and Musk are disappointed, but 49-49-2 in Senate would be enough to stop rubber stamping congress.
> > ??? The 2 per cent are independent, who are just Democrats in sheep's clothing. Presently, with Wisconsin running out of votes, the Senate is down to three races, Nevada, Arizona and Georgia. Georgia has 2% of the votes uncounted, with a 1% Democratic lead, requiring a 3:1 Republican lean in these remaining votes to change the result. Arizona has 34% uncounted with a 5% Democratic lead, so strong, but not impossible to change. Nevada, with 23% uncounted, shows a Republican lead of 2.7%. Given the tendency for late ballot counts to be Democratic mail in votes, this is presently too close to call.
> >
> > If you count votes (meaning the Independents plus Democrats) it is looking like another 50-50 split with a chance of retaining Nevada, which with the flip of Pennsylvania would give the Democrats a natural 51-49 lead without a vote by the VP, nullifying the ability of Manchin to throw monkey wrenches.
> >
> > The house race looks like it's going Republican, the question is by how much?
> Yes, that might give Nancy an exit ramp. Violence against her husband is regrettable, but she's been in the house far too long.

Whatever. I no longer think there is any good to come out of either party in power. The problem with power is, it's like drugs. You get some and it makes you want more. You never have enough to be able to ignore the corrupting influences and have to make pacts with the devil... unless you are the devil everyone else is making pacts with.

There are only a handful of things I'd like to see happen in government. I want to see universal healthcare for everyone. Not Medicare, no insurance.. Just a system like nearly every other advanced country has, where when you need medical care, you get it, with no drama. That should be the slogan, Medical Care Without Drama!

I don't hate Republicans. But I don't understand their opposition to healthcare. That's just nuts!

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On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:39:41 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 5:27:22 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 6:35:33 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > Evidence:
> > > > Joe Biden's approval numbers have dropped by 4% in ONE MONTH! Voters call him out of touch (was he every IN TOUCH?).
> > >
> > > Was Gnatguy ever in touch? He's firmly coupled to the Republican propaganda machine, and full of the information they want to give him.
> > >
> > > > The majority of voters say the economy is their Number One issue ("It's all about the economy, STUPID!). 72% say the country is on the WRONG TRACK. 75% of voters think that we ARE NOW in a recession.
> > >
> > > If Trump had mishandled the Covid-19 epidemic less distastrously. the US economy might now be in better shape, but Gnatguy wants to blame the guys in charge right now. because they are all Democrats.
> > >
> > > > https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-midterm-elections/index.html
> > > >
> > > > The NH senate race of Hassen vs Bolduc has made a TEN POINT swing in just ONE MONTH in favor of GOP Bolduc!
> > > > https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/nh/new-hampshire-senate-bolduc-vs-hassan-7379.html
> > >
> > > Gnatguy does love his cherry-picking. Of course Hassen is now back in front, if not by much.
> > >
> > This is representative of virtually ALL of the close races.
>
> Gnatguy can't tell the difference between any of them.
>
> > You sound EXACTLY like the rest of the libtards - you can't come up with ANY of Joe Biden policies that have made people's lives measurably better, so you are resorting to BLAMING TRUMP! HELLO: Trump HAS NOT been president for the last TWO YEARS, and Joe Biden HAS!!!
>
> Nobody would be silly enough to try to tell you anything that suggested that Joe Biden was doing a decent job. He's a Democrat.
>
> Trump may not be president any longer, but the damage he did is taking a while to correct. A million Americans have died of Covid-19 because Donald Trump did a rotten job of coping with the epidemic. Nothing Joe Biden can do can bring any of them back.

Trump produced THREE vaccines in world record time, and the GAO confirmed this. Senile pervert Lyin' Biden then tried to take credit for what Trump accomplished. He also refused to hold the CHICOMs responsible for this genocide, which has been confirmed to originate from the Wuhan Virology Lab.

>
> Donald Trump saw Vladimir Putin as good person to be photographed with. He wasn't keen on discouraging Putin from invading the Ukraine - Putin had been nibbling away at the Ukraine before Trump came to power, and Trump was prepared to threaten to delay US military aid to the Ukraine to pressure them into setting up a bogus investigation into the Bidens. It's not surprising that Putin decided he could get away with an actual invasion (which is where the current US and world inflation comes from).

Putin invaded Ukraine after he saw how WEAK and INEFFECTIVE senile pervert Lyin' Biden was. He would never have invaded in Trump was president.

BTW, it isn't "the Ukraine" but just "Ukraine." Ukraine has been a country for several decades.

>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 4:21:45 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Wise of Gnatguy to get his jubilation in before the actual event. The hoped for red-wave turns out to have been more of a red ripple.
>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Ron DeSantis has become the odds-on favorite for the 2024 nomination, senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been neutered, Crazy Nancy is out of a job, the GOP controls the House and may regain control of the Senate. So, WHAT is not to like Bozo?

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:41:36 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

> Trump produced THREE vaccines in world record time, and the GAO confirmed this.

Huh? Presidents aren't producers of medications. He gave taxpayer money
to the REAL vaccine producers, but the 'world record time' is because of
good medical prep work, not money. GAO confirmed... what, exactly?

> Senile pervert Lyin' Biden then tried to take credit for what Trump accomplished. He also refused to hold the CHICOMs responsible for this genocide, which has been confirmed to originate from the Wuhan Virology Lab.

Says... well, nobody, really. There are two or more virology labs in Wuhan, you know; which
is your conspiracy theory pointing at? And, what do you consider to be confirmation?

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:35:22 AM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:32:40 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:12:01 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
> > > Evidence:
> > > Senile pervert Lyin' Biden's crappy approval numbers have dropped by 4% in ONE MONTH! Voters call him out of touch (was he every IN TOUCH?). The majority of voters say the economy is their Number One issue ("It's all about the economy, STUPID!). 72% say the country is on the WRONG TRACK. 75% of voters think that we ARE NOW in a recession.
> > > https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-midterm-elections/index.html
> > >
> > > The NH senate race of Hassen vs Bolduc has made a TEN POINT swing in just ONE MONTH in favor of GOP Bolduc!
> > > https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/nh/new-hampshire-senate-bolduc-vs-hassan-7379.html
> > Polls are about the people being polled and not the subject matter of the polling, You should know that by now. Politicians have to pay attention to the polls because they need the votes, but beyond that, nobody in their right mind would give two cents for what the general public thinks about ANYTHING.
> Well, then there are MILLIONS of people NOT in their right mind! Polls are used in virtually every aspect of campaigning, from fundraising, to driving out the vote, to media election analysis. That said, polls are notoriously inaccurate and should be taken with a healthy grain of salt. Nonetheless, the shift to the Republicans, especially among independents, in the last month is very dramatic. And we will shortly see how accurate, or inaccurate, they are.

1) yes, and not just millions, but tens of millions, are ignorant, insane, and wrong about just every political judgment they think they've made with their free will ( in reality they've just been manipulated) ;

2) of course polls are essential to any political campaign, the orchestrators need to continually adjust their approach, on which they spend billions $, for best effect to their campaign;

3) polls are famously accurate, it's a very complicated science these days and they go to great lengths to ensure their sampling is truly representative with as high a statistical confidence as possible, there is small industry of firms whose only job is to produce sample sets for the big polling firms to use, the big polling firms don't do that in-house;

4) polls have nothing to do with elections ending up in a toss-up; if you check the standard +/-3% margin of error in their election predictions, every single one of them falls inside that bracket on election day;

5) independence as a political non-affiliation has long been exposed as a fad declaration, they're split 50-50 Democrat-Republican, and they're traditionalists who ( usually mindlessly) vote consistently for the one party they always vote for, they therefore just neutralize each other's vote with little net effect on the election.

Trump is too old, he's 76 now, and he should be a convicted felon ( conspiracy to insurrection, aiding and abetting insurrection ) by 2024.

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:41:36 AM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
..
> Trump produced THREE vaccines in world record time, and the GAO confirmed this.

Care to explain what the friggin' GAO knows about vaccine development or its history? The answer is: nothing. How could they possibly "confirm" something they know nothing about?

The public health infrastructure for rapid vaccine development was already long in place long before Trump even came into office. It's called BARDA.

https://aspr.hhs.gov/AboutASPR/ProgramOffices/BARDA/Pages/default.aspx

Trump did his best to sabotage the effort with his rearrangement of the program executive management of the program by bringing in a bunch of know-nothing military lightweights to take the helm. They were about as effective as that boondoggle military hospital ship he sent to NYC which ended up doing to little to nothing, except exposing people to un-remediated environmental hazards on the ship like airborne asbestos
..
Pfizer/BioNtech already had their in-house accelerated vaccine development program in place, named Project Lightspeed. You can always tell morons from their tendency to atavistic imitation like their near ancestor apes in everything they do, so the pathetic Trump crowd called their phony program Warp Speed. Wow- what a one -up that was. Not impressed.

The science to develop all the mRNA vaccines was already in place, the biotechs had to specialize their product with the SARS-CoV-2 genomic template, which by their description was a somewhat routine task. Luckily Sloman wasn't around to impede their progress with CCP- ordered phony research published on PNAS to cast doubt on the expected outcome and demoralize the workforce.

You can read about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioNTech#Vaccine_development

The mRNA vaccines were the only ones that really came through. The others, like the J&J/Janssen ( Scandinavians lie about everything so their flop is to be expected) and AstraZeneca , vector vaccines, were all flops by comparison.

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 7:44:17 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:33:36 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:41:36 AM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
> <snip>
> > The mRNA vaccines were the only ones that really came through. The others, like the J&J/Janssen ( Scandinavians lie about everything so their flop is to be expected) and AstraZeneca , vector vaccines, were all flops by comparison.
> The Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccine worked fine. It had different parts per million side effects from the mRNA vaccines, but generated exactly the same antigens in the human body as the mRNA vaccines. Fred doesn't like it because it fed less money into American share-holders pockets.

If you call over-burdening an already broken health care system with an additional 250 million per billion caseload, in the absence of the mRNA vaccines, working "just fine" then nothing more needs to be said... it's apples and oranges, vector vaccine technology is the wrong choice.

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On 10/11/2022 12:44, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:33:36 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs
> wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:41:36 AM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> The mRNA vaccines were the only ones that really came through. The
>> others, like the J&J/Janssen ( Scandinavians lie about everything
>> so their flop is to be expected) and AstraZeneca , vector vaccines,
>> were all flops by comparison.
>
> The Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccine worked fine. It had different parts
> per million side effects from the mRNA vaccines, but generated
> exactly the same antigens in the human body as the mRNA vaccines.

It was slightly different in two fundamental ways:

1. mRNA was less inclined to cause blood clots in the young.
2. mRNA gave 95% protection from catching original Covid vs 66-75% for
AZ/J&J (depending on whose numbers you believe)

Both vaccine technologies cut the risk of fatal illness by more than an
order of magnitude. Unclear how good the Russian or Chinese ones are.

Pfizer had first mover advantage, whilst AZ had the advantage of easier
manufacture and much less stringent cold chain requirements. Moderna was
in the middle ground. Several others were minor bit players.

Moderna is now suing Pfizer for patent infringement - we will have to
see how far that goes. If there is any merit in their case.

> Fred doesn't like it because it fed less money into American
> share-holders pockets.

AZ was initially done at cost during the main pandemic.
Something that they took a lot of flack for.

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On 11/9/2022 9:18 PM, Ricky wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 1:40:32 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:28:47 AM UTC-8, Ricky wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:15:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> On 11/9/2022 7:21 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wise of Gnatguy to get his jubilation in before the actual event. The hoped for red-wave turns out to have been more of a red ripple.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The US "left wing media" (that is to say, almost entirely owned and
>>>>> operated by wing nut super-rich, CNN included, and now Twitter as well)
>>>>> was pushing the "red wave" narrative so hard, and the "inflation is
>>>>> killing the working class" narrative so hard.
>>>> Putin and Musk are disappointed, but 49-49-2 in Senate would be enough to stop rubber stamping congress.
>>> ??? The 2 per cent are independent, who are just Democrats in sheep's clothing. Presently, with Wisconsin running out of votes, the Senate is down to three races, Nevada, Arizona and Georgia. Georgia has 2% of the votes uncounted, with a 1% Democratic lead, requiring a 3:1 Republican lean in these remaining votes to change the result. Arizona has 34% uncounted with a 5% Democratic lead, so strong, but not impossible to change. Nevada, with 23% uncounted, shows a Republican lead of 2.7%. Given the tendency for late ballot counts to be Democratic mail in votes, this is presently too close to call.
>>>
>>> If you count votes (meaning the Independents plus Democrats) it is looking like another 50-50 split with a chance of retaining Nevada, which with the flip of Pennsylvania would give the Democrats a natural 51-49 lead without a vote by the VP, nullifying the ability of Manchin to throw monkey wrenches.
>>>
>>> The house race looks like it's going Republican, the question is by how much?
>> Yes, that might give Nancy an exit ramp. Violence against her husband is regrettable, but she's been in the house far too long.
>
> Whatever. I no longer think there is any good to come out of either party in power. The problem with power is, it's like drugs. You get some and it makes you want more. You never have enough to be able to ignore the corrupting influences and have to make pacts with the devil... unless you are the devil everyone else is making pacts with.
>
> There are only a handful of things I'd like to see happen in government. I want to see universal healthcare for everyone. Not Medicare, no insurance. Just a system like nearly every other advanced country has, where when you need medical care, you get it, with no drama. That should be the slogan, Medical Care Without Drama!
>
> I don't hate Republicans. But I don't understand their opposition to healthcare. That's just nuts!
>

I'm glad to see Trump is really leaning into becoming a cartoon
caricature of himself. I mean more so than he already was:

<https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/yr0hga/me_when_my_girlfriend_asks_me_how_my_trades_are/>

He's his own impersonator at this point

On 11/9/2022 9:18 PM, Ricky wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 1:40:32 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:28:47 AM UTC-8, Ricky wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:15:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> On 11/9/2022 7:21 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wise of Gnatguy to get his jubilation in before the actual event. The hoped for red-wave turns out to have been more of a red ripple.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The US "left wing media" (that is to say, almost entirely owned and
>>>>> operated by wing nut super-rich, CNN included, and now Twitter as well)
>>>>> was pushing the "red wave" narrative so hard, and the "inflation is
>>>>> killing the working class" narrative so hard.
>>>> Putin and Musk are disappointed, but 49-49-2 in Senate would be enough to stop rubber stamping congress.
>>> ??? The 2 per cent are independent, who are just Democrats in sheep's clothing. Presently, with Wisconsin running out of votes, the Senate is down to three races, Nevada, Arizona and Georgia. Georgia has 2% of the votes uncounted, with a 1% Democratic lead, requiring a 3:1 Republican lean in these remaining votes to change the result. Arizona has 34% uncounted with a 5% Democratic lead, so strong, but not impossible to change. Nevada, with 23% uncounted, shows a Republican lead of 2.7%. Given the tendency for late ballot counts to be Democratic mail in votes, this is presently too close to call.
>>>
>>> If you count votes (meaning the Independents plus Democrats) it is looking like another 50-50 split with a chance of retaining Nevada, which with the flip of Pennsylvania would give the Democrats a natural 51-49 lead without a vote by the VP, nullifying the ability of Manchin to throw monkey wrenches.
>>>
>>> The house race looks like it's going Republican, the question is by how much?
>> Yes, that might give Nancy an exit ramp. Violence against her husband is regrettable, but she's been in the house far too long.
>
> Whatever. I no longer think there is any good to come out of either party in power. The problem with power is, it's like drugs. You get some and it makes you want more. You never have enough to be able to ignore the corrupting influences and have to make pacts with the devil... unless you are the devil everyone else is making pacts with.
>
> There are only a handful of things I'd like to see happen in government. I want to see universal healthcare for everyone. Not Medicare, no insurance. Just a system like nearly every other advanced country has, where when you need medical care, you get it, with no drama. That should be the slogan, Medical Care Without Drama!
>
> I don't hate Republicans. But I don't understand their opposition to healthcare. That's just nuts!
>

Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
"Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
like if you just compromised with me on this"

LOL I don't blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
of wussies.

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 10:51:08 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 10/11/2022 12:44, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:33:36 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs
> > wrote:
> >> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:41:36 AM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> The mRNA vaccines were the only ones that really came through. The
> >> others, like the J&J/Janssen ( Scandinavians lie about everything
> >> so their flop is to be expected) and AstraZeneca , vector vaccines,
> >> were all flops by comparison.
> >
> > The Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccine worked fine. It had different parts
> > per million side effects from the mRNA vaccines, but generated
> > exactly the same antigens in the human body as the mRNA vaccines.
> It was slightly different in two fundamental ways:
>
> 1. mRNA was less inclined to cause blood clots in the young.
> 2. mRNA gave 95% protection from catching original Covid vs 66-75% for
> AZ/J&J (depending on whose numbers you believe)
>
> Both vaccine technologies cut the risk of fatal illness by more than an
> order of magnitude. Unclear how good the Russian or Chinese ones are.
>
> Pfizer had first mover advantage, whilst AZ had the advantage of easier
> manufacture and much less stringent cold chain requirements. Moderna was
> in the middle ground. Several others were minor bit players.
>
> Moderna is now suing Pfizer for patent infringement - we will have to
> see how far that goes. If there is any merit in their case.
> > Fred doesn't like it because it fed less money into American
> > share-holders pockets.
> AZ was initially done at cost during the main pandemic.
> Something that they took a lot of flack for.

Cost savings in supply chain maintenance and all the other advantages touted are dwarfed into oblivion by the additional health care burden due to their 25 point failing in efficacy. It's a cheap buy-in but an expensive lifecycle cost. Another important advantage of mRNA is it can be indefinitely boosted, and new mRNA in response to emerging variants of concern can be produced rapidly.

>
> --
> Regards,
> Martin Brown

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:31:15 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> On 11/9/2022 9:18 PM, Ricky wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 1:40:32 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:28:47 AM UTC-8, Ricky wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:15:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
> >>>>> On 11/9/2022 7:21 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wise of Gnatguy to get his jubilation in before the actual event. The hoped for red-wave turns out to have been more of a red ripple.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> The US "left wing media" (that is to say, almost entirely owned and
> >>>>> operated by wing nut super-rich, CNN included, and now Twitter as well)
> >>>>> was pushing the "red wave" narrative so hard, and the "inflation is
> >>>>> killing the working class" narrative so hard.
> >>>> Putin and Musk are disappointed, but 49-49-2 in Senate would be enough to stop rubber stamping congress.
> >>> ??? The 2 per cent are independent, who are just Democrats in sheep's clothing. Presently, with Wisconsin running out of votes, the Senate is down to three races, Nevada, Arizona and Georgia. Georgia has 2% of the votes uncounted, with a 1% Democratic lead, requiring a 3:1 Republican lean in these remaining votes to change the result. Arizona has 34% uncounted with a 5% Democratic lead, so strong, but not impossible to change. Nevada, with 23% uncounted, shows a Republican lead of 2.7%. Given the tendency for late ballot counts to be Democratic mail in votes, this is presently too close to call.
> >>>
> >>> If you count votes (meaning the Independents plus Democrats) it is looking like another 50-50 split with a chance of retaining Nevada, which with the flip of Pennsylvania would give the Democrats a natural 51-49 lead without a vote by the VP, nullifying the ability of Manchin to throw monkey wrenches.
> >>>
> >>> The house race looks like it's going Republican, the question is by how much?
> >> Yes, that might give Nancy an exit ramp. Violence against her husband is regrettable, but she's been in the house far too long.
> >
> > Whatever. I no longer think there is any good to come out of either party in power. The problem with power is, it's like drugs. You get some and it makes you want more. You never have enough to be able to ignore the corrupting influences and have to make pacts with the devil... unless you are the devil everyone else is making pacts with.
> >
> > There are only a handful of things I'd like to see happen in government.. I want to see universal healthcare for everyone. Not Medicare, no insurance. Just a system like nearly every other advanced country has, where when you need medical care, you get it, with no drama. That should be the slogan, Medical Care Without Drama!
> >
> > I don't hate Republicans. But I don't understand their opposition to healthcare. That's just nuts!
> >
> Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
> like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
> "Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
> like if you just compromised with me on this"
>
> LOL I don't blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
> of wussies.

Wow, talk about someone being a caricature of himself!

--

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On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 4:36:55 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 4:41:36 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:39:41 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 5:27:22 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 6:35:33 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:12:01 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > Evidence:
> > > > > > Joe Biden's approval numbers have dropped by 4% in ONE MONTH! Voters call him out of touch (was he every IN TOUCH?).
> > > > >
> > > > > Was Gnatguy ever in touch? He's firmly coupled to the Republican propaganda machine, and full of the information they want to give him.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The majority of voters say the economy is their Number One issue ("It's all about the economy, STUPID!). 72% say the country is on the WRONG TRACK. 75% of voters think that we ARE NOW in a recession.
> > > > >
> > > > > If Trump had mishandled the Covid-19 epidemic less distastrously. the US economy might now be in better shape, but Gnatguy wants to blame the guys in charge right now. because they are all Democrats.
> > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-midterm-elections/index.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The NH senate race of Hassen vs Bolduc has made a TEN POINT swing in just ONE MONTH in favor of GOP Bolduc!
> > > > > > https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/nh/new-hampshire-senate-bolduc-vs-hassan-7379.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Gnatguy does love his cherry-picking. Of course Hassen is now back in front, if not by much.
> > > > >
> > > > This is representative of virtually ALL of the close races.
> > >
> > > Gnatguy can't tell the difference between any of them.
> > >
> > > > You sound EXACTLY like the rest of the libtards - you can't come up with ANY of Joe Biden policies that have made people's lives measurably better, so you are resorting to BLAMING TRUMP! HELLO: Trump HAS NOT been president for the last TWO YEARS, and Joe Biden HAS!!!
> > >
> > > Nobody would be silly enough to try to tell you anything that suggested that Joe Biden was doing a decent job. He's a Democrat.
> > >
> > > Trump may not be president any longer, but the damage he did is taking a while to correct. A million Americans have died of Covid-19 because Donald Trump did a rotten job of coping with the epidemic. Nothing Joe Biden can do can bring any of them back.
> >
> > Trump produced THREE vaccines in world record time, and the GAO confirmed this.
> He didn't. He threw money at getting them into volume production after all three were in clinical trials. GAO explicitly said that Operation Ward Speed didn't get under way until May 2020, and all there were in stage 1 clinical trials in April 2020. You are too dim to recognise this.
>
> > Joe Biden then tried to take credit for what Trump accomplished.
>
> Trump didn't accomplish anything, so one has to wonder what you have in mind.

Hey Bozo, this is a quote from the GAO report, READ IT (https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-319):

"The two EUAs issued in December 2020 were based on analyses of clinical trial participants and showed about 95 percent efficacy for each vaccine. These analyses included assessments of efficacy after individuals were given two doses of vaccine and after they were monitored for about 2 months for adverse events.

Manufacturing. As of January 2021, five of the six OWS vaccine companies had started commercial scale manufacturing. OWS officials reported that as of January 31, 2021, companies had released 63.7 million doses—about 32 percent of the 200 million doses that, according to OWS, companies with EUAs have been contracted to provide by March 31, 2021."

This was ALL done under Trump's watch, senile pervert Lyin' Biden had NOTHING to do with it.

On 10/11/2022 17:59, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 10:51:08 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown
> wrote:
>> On 10/11/2022 12:44, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:33:36 PM UTC+11, Fred
>>> Bloggs wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:41:36 AM UTC-5, Flyguy
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> The mRNA vaccines were the only ones that really came through.
>>>> The others, like the J&J/Janssen ( Scandinavians lie about
>>>> everything so their flop is to be expected) and AstraZeneca ,
>>>> vector vaccines, were all flops by comparison.
>>>
>>> The Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccine worked fine. It had different
>>> parts per million side effects from the mRNA vaccines, but
>>> generated exactly the same antigens in the human body as the mRNA
>>> vaccines.
>> It was slightly different in two fundamental ways:
>>
>> 1. mRNA was less inclined to cause blood clots in the young. 2.
>> mRNA gave 95% protection from catching original Covid vs 66-75%
>> for AZ/J&J (depending on whose numbers you believe)
>>
>> Both vaccine technologies cut the risk of fatal illness by more
>> than an order of magnitude. Unclear how good the Russian or Chinese
>> ones are.
>>
>> Pfizer had first mover advantage, whilst AZ had the advantage of
>> easier manufacture and much less stringent cold chain requirements.
>> Moderna was in the middle ground. Several others were minor bit
>> players.
>>
>> Moderna is now suing Pfizer for patent infringement - we will have
>> to see how far that goes. If there is any merit in their case.
>>> Fred doesn't like it because it fed less money into American
>>> share-holders pockets.
>> AZ was initially done at cost during the main pandemic. Something
>> that they took a lot of flack for.
>
> Cost savings in supply chain maintenance and all the other advantages
> touted are dwarfed into oblivion by the additional health care burden
> due to their 25 point failing in efficacy. It's a cheap buy-in but an

But it was only a failure in terms of preventing *transmission* 3x vs
20x. I said at the time given a choice I wanted Pfizer since their
statistics were both clearer and more favourable. I got AZ,AZ,Pf & Pf2.

All the Western vaccines were *very* effective preventing
hospitalisation and death. In some ways the UK benefited from a
heterogeneous mixture of mainly AZ with some Pfizer and Moderna for the
younger age groups.

Within about 9 months of vaccine deployment Covid had evolved to vastly
more infective vaccine escape strains and now none of the old vaccines
offer much protection against catching Covid. Only the new bivalent ones
stand a chance against Omicron but uptake in the UK is rather limited.

Israel that opted for a monoculture of Pfizer fared surprisingly badly
(in part due to their ultra-orthodox refuseniks with a death wish).
Perfect breeding ground for a vaccine escape strain.

> expensive lifecycle cost. Another important advantage of mRNA is it
> can be indefinitely boosted, and new mRNA in response to emerging
> variants of concern can be produced rapidly.

Going forward I expect that the mRNA technology will win out -
particularly the Moderna variant which has a more stable emulsion.

However, the disease has now passed the point of becoming endemic and UK
has a steady baseline of 1M people infected each week with a cyclic peak
that seems to be decreasing in amplitude every 4 months. It has been
like this since the start of the year when Omicron became dominant.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

I expect the peak height will fall but that 1M people a week will have
Covid infections here for the foreseeable future (until perhaps one
summer when it might drop way back like it did in the very first year).

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:

>>> I don't hate Republicans. But I don't understand their opposition to healthcare. That's just nuts!
>>>
>> Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
>> like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
>> "Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
>> like if you just compromised with me on this"
>>
>> LOL I don't blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
>> of wussies.
>
> Wow, talk about someone being a caricature of himself!
>

Yes, I'm not interested in compromising with Republicans! I want to burn
their whole world to ashes, and erase their party from history.

They're afraid of the left. They should be