Pretty good rant:

https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/

My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
the road.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:26:35 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> Pretty good rant:
>
> https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>
>
> My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
> you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
> the road.

How do you capture the carbon released?

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:26:35 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> > Pretty good rant:
> >
> > https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
> >
> >
> > My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
> > you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
> > the road.
> How do you capture the carbon released?
>
> --
>
> Rick C.
>
> - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
> - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

Do you mean by the coal-fired power plants that recharge Tesla's?

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:51:53?PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:26:35?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>> > Pretty good rant:
>> >
>> > https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>> >
>> >
>> > My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
>> > you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
>> > the road.
>> How do you capture the carbon released?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C.
>>
>> - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
>> - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
>
>Do you mean by the coal-fired power plants that recharge Tesla's?

We feed it to our plants.

On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Aug 2023 13:26:23 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<5th7eipmc8nacnjbck29hit0larmggu7j5@4ax.com>:

>
>Pretty good rant:
>
>https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>
>
>My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
>you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
>the road.

Yep, and car security with wireless keys
just a simple replay attack and your car is gone.

Phones make me mad too,
have to dump a perfectly working 2G Nokia phone because 2G is phased out..
But wait.. buy a 4G, oh no, they just moved to 5G now...
The old Nokia has real buttons.. now all touch screens and way bigger...
I found an other Nokia (225 -4G) with buttons that now does the job, but its still bigger and software is not as good as the old one.

I also have a Xiaomi smart phone with touch screen and LCD display, it works OK
but I see the new ones for 5G have AMOLED displays ...
Does AMOLED burn in like OLEDs?

I mean you have to fork out hundreds of dollars every time the system is updated.. 2G 3G 4G now 5G, 6G when>>???
All to make a phone call????

Same for TV systems, HD, ultra HD...
Internet speed, fiber...
But has the content improved?
Sure watching Blues Brothers in HD was good, but then again it does not change the story much.
Just a few hundred years ago we had paintings ....

Anyways, some nukes and back to smoke signals...

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:12:43 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Aug 2023 13:26:23 -0700) it happened John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
> <5th7eipmc8nacnjbc...@4ax.com>:
> >
> >Pretty good rant:
> >
> >https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
> >
> >
> >My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
> >you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
> >the road.
> Yep, and car security with wireless keys
> just a simple replay attack and your car is gone.
>
> Phones make me mad too,
> have to dump a perfectly working 2G Nokia phone because 2G is phased out...
> But wait.. buy a 4G, oh no, they just moved to 5G now...
> The old Nokia has real buttons.. now all touch screens and way bigger...
> I found an other Nokia (225 -4G) with buttons that now does the job, but its still bigger and software is not as good as the old one.
>
> I also have a Xiaomi smart phone with touch screen and LCD display, it works OK
> but I see the new ones for 5G have AMOLED displays ...
> Does AMOLED burn in like OLEDs?
>
> I mean you have to fork out hundreds of dollars every time the system is updated.. 2G 3G 4G now 5G, 6G when>>???
> All to make a phone call????
>
> Same for TV systems, HD, ultra HD...
> Internet speed, fiber...
> But has the content improved?
> Sure watching Blues Brothers in HD was good, but then again it does not change the story much.
> Just a few hundred years ago we had paintings ....
>
> Anyways, some nukes and back to smoke signals...

For as much as you post, you say very little. If nothing else, you are consistent.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On 2023/08/21 1:26 p.m., John Larkin wrote:
>
> Pretty good rant:
>
> https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>
>
> My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
> you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
> the road.
>

My 1984 Volvo 240DL had the simplest system to select the heat/cool air
flow. 3 buttons - one for windshield, one for middle and one for floor.
You could select any or all of up to 7 varieties without rotating a dial
and guessing...and again without taking eyes off the road.

Every car I've driven since then hasn't had these simple and obvious
choices.

Not exactly an engineering improvement.

John ;-#(#

On 8/21/2023 11:25 PM, John Robertson wrote:
> My 1984 Volvo 240DL had the simplest system to select the heat/cool air flow. 3
> buttons - one for windshield, one for middle and one for floor. You could
> select any or all of up to 7 varieties without rotating a dial and
> guessing...and again without taking eyes off the road.

How is "rotating a dial and guessing" any different from pushing
a button that cycles through the different air routing configurations?

Or, turning a knob to get the desired temperature (instead of just
some "warmer vs. cooler" indication).

What I'd like to see is the ability to shut *down* the HVAC to
the other parts of the cabin EASILY, from the driver's seat.
(I can ensure the passenger's temperature setting tracks the
drivers -- or not -- but I can't close off the flow of air
to that side of the vehicle without manually closing a vent.
Ditto for the rear of the vehicle)

> Every car I've driven since then hasn't had these simple and obvious choices.

Common, now, except it's not a knob.

> Not exactly an engineering improvement.
>
> John ;-#(#

On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 05:12:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Aug 2023 13:26:23 -0700) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
><5th7eipmc8nacnjbck29hit0larmggu7j5@4ax.com>:
>
>>
>>Pretty good rant:
>>
>>https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>>
>>
>>My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
>>you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
>>the road.
>
>Yep, and car security with wireless keys
>just a simple replay attack and your car is gone.

I have an ancient key fob that only transmits when you push a button,
so it's not subject to the RF relay scam. The encryption could be
cracked, but that's more difficult.

>
>Phones make me mad too,
>have to dump a perfectly working 2G Nokia phone because 2G is phased out..
>But wait.. buy a 4G, oh no, they just moved to 5G now...
>The old Nokia has real buttons.. now all touch screens and way bigger...
>I found an other Nokia (225 -4G) with buttons that now does the job, but its still bigger and software is not as good as the old one.

Rumor is that some old and young people are going back to flip phones.

The best thing about the big LCD on my phone is the HP calculator
clone, and using the phone as a camera. The touch screen function is
flakey.

>
>I also have a Xiaomi smart phone with touch screen and LCD display, it works OK
>but I see the new ones for 5G have AMOLED displays ...
>Does AMOLED burn in like OLEDs?
>
>I mean you have to fork out hundreds of dollars every time the system is updated.. 2G 3G 4G now 5G, 6G when>>???
>All to make a phone call????
>
>Same for TV systems, HD, ultra HD...
>Internet speed, fiber...
>But has the content improved?

Instant access to data sheets and app notes and parts pricing are
great. We used to have a library with hundreds of data books. We
filled a dumpster when we moved.

I kept a few classics.

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 23:46:26 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 8/21/2023 11:25 PM, John Robertson wrote:
>> My 1984 Volvo 240DL had the simplest system to select the heat/cool air flow. 3
>> buttons - one for windshield, one for middle and one for floor. You could
>> select any or all of up to 7 varieties without rotating a dial and
>> guessing...and again without taking eyes off the road.
>
>How is "rotating a dial and guessing" any different from pushing
>a button that cycles through the different air routing configurations?

The difference is hidden states.

>
>Or, turning a knob to get the desired temperature (instead of just
>some "warmer vs. cooler" indication).

Same answer. The temperature setting is absolute on angular position,
which the driver soon learns. There is no guessing involved.

We demo'd an HP oscilloscope that had 4 buttons to do everything. We
couldn't get it to work and the HP sales person couldn't either. Good
scopes still have knobs.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:17:34 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 05:12:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> wrote:
> >On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Aug 2023 13:26:23 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in <5th7eipmc8nacnjbc...@4ax.com>:

<snip>

> >But has the content improved?
>
> Instant access to data sheets and app notes and parts pricing are great. We used to have a library with hundreds of data books. We filled a dumpster when we moved.

In that case the content stayed pretty much the same, thought I did notice that TI data sheets got longer, and instead of leaving out embarrassing information they buried it on page 45 of a 55 page data sheet.
> I kept a few classics.

Reaching out and grabbing the book is faster than pulling the data off the web.

Persuading the authors to provide better data is a different problem.

https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/big-myth-9781635573572/

does demonstrate how some people do work hard to provide easy access to misleading data, and we do need some kind of mechanism to discourage people from lying to us.

In the US the rich and powerful would resent that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:17:19 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<ifg9eihu6dq684d6ss1acq4mmkl36ftvn7@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 05:12:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Aug 2023 13:26:23 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>><5th7eipmc8nacnjbck29hit0larmggu7j5@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>Pretty good rant:
>>>
>>>https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>>>
>>>
>>>My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
>>>you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
>>>the road.
>>
>>Yep, and car security with wireless keys
>>just a simple replay attack and your car is gone.
>
>I have an ancient key fob that only transmits when you push a button,
>so it's not subject to the RF relay scam. The encryption could be
>cracked, but that's more difficult.

Just keep you keys in a RF shielded box at night...
I also have an RF proof envelope for my bank card...

>>Phones make me mad too,
>>have to dump a perfectly working 2G Nokia phone because 2G is phased out..
>>But wait.. buy a 4G, oh no, they just moved to 5G now...
>>The old Nokia has real buttons.. now all touch screens and way bigger...
>>I found an other Nokia (225 -4G) with buttons that now does the job, but its still bigger and software is not as good as the
>>old one.
>
>Rumor is that some old and young people are going back to flip phones.

Yes flip phones make sense, but are still rather big.

>The best thing about the big LCD on my phone is the HP calculator
>clone, and using the phone as a camera. The touch screen function is
>flakey.

Yes the Xiaomi camera keeps amazing me, and you can zoom in on that LCD
and it has lots of storage for pictures.
But my Canon A470 and IXUS cameras work great too, you can take the SDcard out and put it in the laptop
without having to take the smartphone apart or use a complicated transfer program...
And the Canon IXUS is smaller, lens retracts..
and the Canons can run chdk:
https://chdk.fandom.com/wiki/CHDK

>>I also have a Xiaomi smart phone with touch screen and LCD display, it works OK
>>but I see the new ones for 5G have AMOLED displays ...
>>Does AMOLED burn in like OLEDs?
>>
>>I mean you have to fork out hundreds of dollars every time the system is updated.. 2G 3G 4G now 5G, 6G when>>???
>>All to make a phone call????
>>
>>Same for TV systems, HD, ultra HD...
>>Internet speed, fiber...
>>But has the content improved?
>
>Instant access to data sheets and app notes and parts pricing are
>great. We used to have a library with hundreds of data books. We
>filled a dumpster when we moved.
>
>I kept a few classics.

I think I have no more data books, just downloaded pdfs.
but what difference does it make if it takes a few minutes or half an hour to download?
Sometimes I download the latest Linux distro, some 4 GB or so, may take a long time,
but I can do anything else while it downloads via the 4G Huawei USB stick in my Raspberry Pi4.
Or anywhere else in the country with that 4G stick plugged into my laptop.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:47:31 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:17:34 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 05:12:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> wrote:
> > >On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Aug 2023 13:26:23 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in <5th7eipmc8nacnjbc...@4ax.com>:
> <snip>
> > >But has the content improved?
> >
> > Instant access to data sheets and app notes and parts pricing are great.. We used to have a library with hundreds of data books. We filled a dumpster when we moved.
> In that case the content stayed pretty much the same, thought I did notice that TI data sheets got longer, and instead of leaving out embarrassing information they buried it on page 45 of a 55 page data sheet.
> > I kept a few classics.
> Reaching out and grabbing the book is faster than pulling the data off the web.

Hey Bozo, when was the last time that you did that, a decade ago? Besides, pulling out an out-of-date databook is worse than having nothing. Most of the rest of us have highspeed internet - finding a particular databook in a room of them is FAR SLOWER than just downloading the latest dataSHEET.

>
> Persuading the authors to provide better data is a different problem.
>
> https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/big-myth-9781635573572/
>
> does demonstrate how some people do work hard to provide easy access to misleading data, and we do need some kind of mechanism to discourage people from lying to us.
>
> In the US the rich and powerful would resent that.

More libtard NONSENSE!

>
> --
> Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney

On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 23:46:38 UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
....
> What I'd like to see is the ability to shut *down* the HVAC to
> the other parts of the cabin EASILY, from the driver's seat.
> (I can ensure the passenger's temperature setting tracks the
> drivers -- or not -- but I can't close off the flow of air
> to that side of the vehicle without manually closing a vent.
> Ditto for the rear of the vehicle)
> > Every car I've driven since then hasn't had these simple and obvious choices.
....

My Prius has that feature.

A physical button selects either HVAC for all occupants or just the driver.

kw

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 2:46:38 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 11:25 PM, John Robertson wrote:
> > My 1984 Volvo 240DL had the simplest system to select the heat/cool air flow. 3
> > buttons - one for windshield, one for middle and one for floor. You could
> > select any or all of up to 7 varieties without rotating a dial and
> > guessing...and again without taking eyes off the road.
> How is "rotating a dial and guessing" any different from pushing
> a button that cycles through the different air routing configurations?
>
> Or, turning a knob to get the desired temperature (instead of just
> some "warmer vs. cooler" indication).
>
> What I'd like to see is the ability to shut *down* the HVAC to
> the other parts of the cabin EASILY, from the driver's seat.
> (I can ensure the passenger's temperature setting tracks the
> drivers -- or not -- but I can't close off the flow of air
> to that side of the vehicle without manually closing a vent.
> Ditto for the rear of the vehicle)

Tesla has that. It also allows control of air for the back seat from the driver's console.

> > Every car I've driven since then hasn't had these simple and obvious choices.
> Common, now, except it's not a knob.

I was happy for 20 years with the simple, manual controls in my pickup. One knob selected the air flow direction (which isn't all that hard to learn to use without looking). One knob selected the temperature (mix of warm/cold air). One knob controlled the fan speed. Worked great, and was very simple. No need to take your eyes off the road.

The ones I don't get have a temperature setting. What temperature is it controlling? Most likely a temperature somewhere in the dash that I don't care about. I mostly ignore that since it seems to accomplish nothing useful..

I'd like to know what it's doing sometimes. When the outside are is 72°F and the cooling is set for 73°F, I wonder if the AC runs at all???

--

Rick C.

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On 8/22/2023 11:03 AM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
> On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 23:46:38 UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
> ...
>> What I'd like to see is the ability to shut *down* the HVAC to
>> the other parts of the cabin EASILY, from the driver's seat.
>> (I can ensure the passenger's temperature setting tracks the
>> drivers -- or not -- but I can't close off the flow of air
>> to that side of the vehicle without manually closing a vent.
>> Ditto for the rear of the vehicle)
>
> My Prius has that feature.
>
> A physical button selects either HVAC for all occupants or just the driver.

Does it "close a damper(s)" or just shutdown a fan?

Neglecting the number of outlets at floor level (I've never looked
down there to count them), there are at least 4 in the dash that
could be regarded as 2+2. And, at least two for the rear seat.

Each of these have mechanical dampers that close off (or optionally
restrict) the flow of air thru themselves.

As the rear seat is rarely occupied (by lifeforms), I've just
closed those off. But, the passenger seat is often occupied...
and, just as often NOT.

This is something the car already senses so the fact that it doesn't
act on it is silly (e.g., it knows who's in each seat position to be
able to warn about seatbelt use, disable the passenger-side airbag
for low-weight occupants, etc.)

Likewise, I'm annoyed that it doesn't restore the passenger seat
to its position last observed when the current driver last piloted
the vehicle (as it does with the driver's seat, mirror positions, HVAC
settings, entertainment system presets -- including the physical ordering
of controls, etc.)

[If I'm the passenger, I have to lower the height of the seat and
push it farther back from the firewall before I get into it; SWMBO
likes the seat *up* high and pulled forward when *she's* passenger]

One of the big advantages of "soft" controls is that they can easily be
reset to their state when a previous driver piloted the car so you're
not spending time resetting seat, mirrors, stereo presets, etc.

[I'm not sure if it "learns" the driving habits of the particular
driver... ISTM that ALL settings should be associated with a particular
driver and restored with his/her resumption of the driving function!]

On 8/22/2023 11:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
> On 8/22/2023 11:03 AM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>> On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 23:46:38 UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
>> ...
>>> What I'd like to see is the ability to shut *down* the HVAC to
>>> the other parts of the cabin EASILY, from the driver's seat.
>>> (I can ensure the passenger's temperature setting tracks the
>>> drivers -- or not -- but I can't close off the flow of air
>>> to that side of the vehicle without manually closing a vent.
>>> Ditto for the rear of the vehicle)
>>
>> My Prius has that feature.
>>
>> A physical button selects either HVAC for all occupants or just the driver.
>
> Does it "close a damper(s)" or just shutdown a fan?
>
> Neglecting the number of outlets at floor level (I've never looked
> down there to count them), there are at least 4 in the dash that
> could be regarded as 2+2.  And, at least two for the rear seat.
>
> Each of these have mechanical dampers that close off (or optionally
> restrict) the flow of air thru themselves.

And, if you can control a physical damper, then also control the *direction*
of the airflow so that it remembers how each occupant likes the air directed
(up/down, left-right).

[This will likely be more common on vehicles going forward as
it allows ACbrrr power to be more efficiently used]

E.g., I (whether passenger or driver) prefer the air flowing directly
on my face and arms. SWMBO doesn't. When you step into a car
that has been sitting in the sun for an hour (the time it takes you
to do some shopping) on a 115F day, the indoor temperature can easily
be 140F (make sure the dash and steering wheel have been protected
from direct sun lest you get a burn!).

Setting the HVAC controls to "auto" allows it to determine how *quickly*
it should try to reach the desired setpoint (by adjusting blower and
compressor). Ideally, it would open the roofvent to help exhaust the
overhot cabin air in this process!

As far as winter heat -- what's that? :> (actually, we've used the seat
heaters a few times during early winter mornings -- just to get the
chill out of the leather)

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:26:35 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> Pretty good rant:
>
> https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>
>
> My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
> you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
> the road.

That author is coming down with clinical depression. And he rambles like a mentally ill person. His problem is not our problem.

Those elevator congestion studies have been going on for 100 years. They're not an innovation. Modern tech has simply enabled some of the until now hypothetical strategies for control.

On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:47:31?AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:17:34?AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
>> > On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 05:12:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> wrote:
>> > >On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Aug 2023 13:26:23 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in <5th7eipmc8nacnjbc...@4ax.com>:
>> <snip>
>> > >But has the content improved?
>> >
>> > Instant access to data sheets and app notes and parts pricing are great. We used to have a library with hundreds of data books. We filled a dumpster when we moved.
>> In that case the content stayed pretty much the same, thought I did notice that TI data sheets got longer, and instead of leaving out embarrassing information they buried it on page 45 of a 55 page data sheet.
>> > I kept a few classics.
>> Reaching out and grabbing the book is faster than pulling the data off the web.
>
>Hey Bozo, when was the last time that you did that, a decade ago? Besides, pulling out an out-of-date databook is worse than having nothing. Most of the rest of us have highspeed internet - finding a particular databook in a room of them is FAR SLOWER than just downloading the latest dataSHEET.

Some of the old databooks are still good for ideas. The GE SCR manual,
for example, is more appnotes than data sheets. Like a cycloconverter
for example.

Data books used to explain a lot of theory.

On 8/21/23 6:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
> <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:51:53?PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:26:35?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> Pretty good rant:
>>>>
>>>> https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
>>>> you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
>>>> the road.

I had my first glimpse at nonsensical tech in highschool. The richer
kids had Philips and later Sony portable cassette players. They'd run
around campus like zombies, sunken into their tunes. If you wanted to
talk to one you had to tap their shoulders and they had to strip back
the headphones. Then ... TADAAAH ... a "Talk-Through" button was added.
Suddenly kids could communicate again using their mouths. What a concept!

From a marketing perspective this was brilliant though. First you take
a resource given by nature away. Then, for a nice chunk of money, you
offer to put it back. Ka-ching. Of course, now the act of listening
would also begin to consume batteries ... double ka-ching.

>>> How do you capture the carbon released?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Rick C.
>>>
>>> - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
>>> - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
>>
>> Do you mean by the coal-fired power plants that recharge Tesla's?
>

Touché!

> We feed it to our plants.
>

Even better, use it to carbonate beer. So if we'd all drink a lot more
beer we can save the universe :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 8/22/23 7:17 AM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 05:12:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
> wrote:
>

[...]

>> Phones make me mad too,
>> have to dump a perfectly working 2G Nokia phone because 2G is phased out..
>> But wait.. buy a 4G, oh no, they just moved to 5G now...
>> The old Nokia has real buttons.. now all touch screens and way bigger...
>> I found an other Nokia (225 -4G) with buttons that now does the job, but its still bigger and software is not as good as the old one.
>
> Rumor is that some old and young people are going back to flip phones.
>

I met some of them lately.

I was a longterm hold-out with ye olde candy bar phone, a Nokia 2115i.
Was waiting for a shuttle near an airport in Arizona. Flight was going
to be delayed so I called my client about it. A guy next to me grew
irate over his smart phone. No connection. I asked him if he wanted to
use mine to make a call. "Thanks, man, that really helps me right now!"

Then I got to that client and there was a meeting with lots of biz
folks, venture capitalists in their $1000 suits. The one next to me
unfolded his stuff on the conference table and there was a fancy smart
phone _plus_ a Nokia 2115i, same candy bar phone as mine. "So you always
carry both?" ... "Oh yeah, because in a pinch the Nokia is the only one
making the connection".

> The best thing about the big LCD on my phone is the HP calculator
> clone, and using the phone as a camera. The touch screen function is
> flakey.
>

Same here, mostly using RpnCalc and the camera. Lately also the Raley's
grocery shopping app because without it you easily pay double for a lot
of stuff. "Digitally activated" coupons, quite silly but else no dice
anymore.

>
>>
>> I also have a Xiaomi smart phone with touch screen and LCD display, it works OK
>> but I see the new ones for 5G have AMOLED displays ...
>> Does AMOLED burn in like OLEDs?
>>
>> I mean you have to fork out hundreds of dollars every time the system is updated.. 2G 3G 4G now 5G, 6G when>>???
>> All to make a phone call????
>>

Wait until Black Friday, then you can get an entry level Samsung for
$100-200.

>> Same for TV systems, HD, ultra HD...
>> Internet speed, fiber...
>> But has the content improved?
>
> Instant access to data sheets and app notes and parts pricing are
> great. We used to have a library with hundreds of data books. We
> filled a dumpster when we moved.
>

We should also see another core benefit: The Internet has enabled me to
work remotely more than ever. Right now to 100%. Of course, that is not
so good for airlines, hotels and restaurants.

For the cost of roughly $1k/year I can easily save $10k/year. I'd call
that a good return on investment.

> I kept a few classics.
>

I am still debating when and how many more to cut loose. I've shrunk it
to less than half already.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:33:51 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 8/21/23 6:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
>> <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:51:53?PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:26:35?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> Pretty good rant:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
>>>>> you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
>>>>> the road.
>
>
>I had my first glimpse at nonsensical tech in highschool. The richer
>kids had Philips and later Sony portable cassette players. They'd run
>around campus like zombies, sunken into their tunes. If you wanted to
>talk to one you had to tap their shoulders and they had to strip back
>the headphones. Then ... TADAAAH ... a "Talk-Through" button was added.
>Suddenly kids could communicate again using their mouths. What a concept!
>
> From a marketing perspective this was brilliant though. First you take
>a resource given by nature away. Then, for a nice chunk of money, you
>offer to put it back. Ka-ching. Of course, now the act of listening
>would also begin to consume batteries ... double ka-ching.
>
>
>>>> How do you capture the carbon released?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Rick C.
>>>>
>>>> - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
>>>> - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
>>>
>>> Do you mean by the coal-fired power plants that recharge Tesla's?
>>
>
>Touché!
>
>
>> We feed it to our plants.
>>
>
>Even better, use it to carbonate beer. So if we'd all drink a lot more
>beer we can save the universe :-)

"You don't buy beer, you rent it."

On 22-Aug-23 6:26 am, John Larkin wrote:
>
> Pretty good rant:
>
> https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
>
>
> My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
> you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
> the road.
>

A car I had to hire a few days ago had the A/C control on a touch
screen. Just as well I had a passenger, because there's no way I could
safely have adjusted it while driving.

On another note about inappropriately designed technology, I was using
on-line check-in for a flight (what does it even mean to check-in
online?). They said they'd send the boarding pass to my phone. But what
they emailed was a link to a page that could be retrieved to show the
boarding pass. So it wasn't on the phone.

I don't have broadband access on my phone - I have almost no need for
such a thing, and see no reason to pay for it. At check-in time, the
airport's free WiFi was down. So I had no access to the boarding pass.

A work-around was found, but I can imagine chaos ensuing if a major
mobile phone telco's network went down, and a large proportion of
passengers could not access their boarding passes. And it seems
completely unnecessary. All they needed to do was embed the boarding
pass in the email.

I've pointed this out on their Facebook page. I'm sure they'll do
nothing about it.

Sylvia.

On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> A car I had to hire a few days ago had the A/C control on a touch screen. Just
> as well I had a passenger, because there's no way I could safely have adjusted
> it while driving.

Be like trying to adjust the L-R balance on the sound system...

> On another note about inappropriately designed technology, I was using on-line
> check-in for a flight (what does it even mean to check-in online?). They said
> they'd send the boarding pass to my phone. But what they emailed was a link to
> a page that could be retrieved to show the boarding pass. So it wasn't on the
> phone.
>
> I don't have broadband access on my phone - I have almost no need for such a
> thing, and see no reason to pay for it.

Imagine what it's like telling a business that you can't receive SMS?
"Then, how are we going to notify you?"
"You've got my phone number. Can't you PHONE ME???"

> At check-in time, the airport's free
> WiFi was down. So I had no access to the boarding pass.

Ooops!

> A work-around was found, but I can imagine chaos ensuing if a major mobile
> phone telco's network went down, and a large proportion of passengers could not
> access their boarding passes. And it seems completely unnecessary. All they
> needed to do was embed the boarding pass in the email.
>
> I've pointed this out on their Facebook page. I'm sure they'll do nothing about
> it.

Newer appliances now have WiFi connectivity. But, not *directly* to
your local client... rather, to a remote site (via wireless router
that YOU maintain and *your* ISP) which you then contact using your
phone/PC/whatever.

The value of the remote website? Ah... so you can talk to *it*
regardless of where you are located! Otherwise, you couldn't
turn your oven on if you were in another state! (WTF???)

"Imagine the chaos ensuing if" such a site was hacked and
told to turn on EVERYONE's oven???

Ditto your refrigerator, household thermostate, security
camera(s), doorbell, irrigation system, etc.

Do all/any of these REQUIRE that "third party" for their
proper operation? As they all require an *app*, can't
that app have a network discovery process built in
to eliminate the need for the other agency??

[It would be interesting to be called as an expert witness in a
class action lawsuit representing folks who incurred damages
from ovens that were remotely turned on by such a hack!
"No, Mr Lawyer, there is no *need* for the remote proxy
that was the source of the hack"]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:03:48 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 22-Aug-23 6:26 am, John Larkin wrote:
> >
> > Pretty good rant:
> >
> > https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/21/tesla-syndrome-explains-why-tech-is-making-us-miserable/
> >
> >
> > My wife's Honda Fit is great. If you want to change the hvac settings,
> > you grab a knob and turn it. You don't even have to take your eyes off
> > the road.
> >
> A car I had to hire a few days ago had the A/C control on a touch
> screen. Just as well I had a passenger, because there's no way I could
> safely have adjusted it while driving.
>
> On another note about inappropriately designed technology, I was using
> on-line check-in for a flight (what does it even mean to check-in
> online?). They said they'd send the boarding pass to my phone. But what
> they emailed was a link to a page that could be retrieved to show the
> boarding pass. So it wasn't on the phone.
>
> I don't have broadband access on my phone - I have almost no need for
> such a thing, and see no reason to pay for it. At check-in time, the
> airport's free WiFi was down. So I had no access to the boarding pass.

I have no idea what you mean by "broadband access". Most airports have Wifi, but if that's down, you still have one way to get a boarding pass. Go to the kiosk the airlines have specifically to get boarding passes.

I'm not a fan of the phone boarding pass. With Spirit you use their app, and it downloads to the phone. No email is involved. You do need Internet connectivity, but you can do it from home before you leave. What I don't like about it, is that when I bring up the app and show the boarding pass, I only have so much time before it times out and goes away, and I have to bring up the app again. Silly feature.

> A work-around was found, but I can imagine chaos ensuing if a major
> mobile phone telco's network went down, and a large proportion of
> passengers could not access their boarding passes. And it seems
> completely unnecessary. All they needed to do was embed the boarding
> pass in the email.

Or, you can get a paper boarding pass when the electronic one fails.

> I've pointed this out on their Facebook page. I'm sure they'll do
> nothing about it.

Their "facebook page"??? No, that's never going to get any attention.

It's not like airlines listen to their millions of customers. They don't have time for that.

--

Rick C.

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