On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>
>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>
>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>
>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>
>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>> [...]
>>
>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>
> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> >>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> >>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> >>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> >>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> >>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> >>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Time does not end at all.
> >>>> If Time does not end at all then
> >>>>
> >>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> >>>
> >>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> >
> > In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>
> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.

God wasn't always there...

God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 9:37:47 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >
> > On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> > >>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> > >>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> > >>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> > >>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> > >>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> > >>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Time does not end at all.
> > >>>> If Time does not end at all then
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> > >>>
> > >>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> > >> [...]
> > >>
> > >> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> > >
> > > In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> >
> > That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> > there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> > been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> God wasn't always there...
>
> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

I know a God exists...I see you playing Him...
God is Math before man.

> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>
>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>
>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>
>
> God wasn't always there...
>
> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

Fair enough?

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:51:44 PM UTC-6, JanPB wrote:
>
> No. Gr says no such thing. What it says is that light signals as perceived by an
> external observer are delayed which is a purely optical phenomenon, like
> a mirage.
>
> --
> Jan

Hi Jan. That confuses me. As I understand it, relativity equations explain what
IS after time delays due to light speed are removed, yes?

A related question: An object in orbit outside the event horizon can undergo
infinite time dilation from the perspective of a distant observer if r = 1.5Rs:
dtau^2/dt^2 = 1 - Rs/r - v^2/c^2, where v^2 = GM/r, yes?
Isn't that essentially the same as a stationary object at the event horizon?

A third question: For an object falling toward the event horizon, v_r/c = 1 - 2GM/rc^2,
when dtau = 0 and so does v_r, yes?

Sorry for piling on questions :-(

Gary

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:34:28 PM UTC-7, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:51:44 PM UTC-6, JanPB wrote:
> >
> > No. Gr says no such thing. What it says is that light signals as perceived by an
> > external observer are delayed which is a purely optical phenomenon, like
> > a mirage.
> >
> > --
> > Jan

At a BH gravity slows time and stops it jan.
That is a mathematical disproof of it.
The atom cannot fall to the speed of light...
nothing can push it there.

Mitchell Raemsch

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> >>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> >>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> >>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> >>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> >>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> >>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> >>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>
> >>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> >>>
> >>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> >>
> >> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> >> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> >> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> >
> >
> > God wasn't always there...
> >
> > God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>
> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>
> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>
> Fair enough?

You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
Big Bang.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>
>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>
>>>
>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>
>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>
>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>
>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>
>> Fair enough?
>
> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>
> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> Big Bang.

Afaict, that still boils down to a chicken and egg problem. So, the
universe was always there to solve it?

On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>
>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>
>>>
>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>
>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>
>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>
>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>
>> Fair enough?
>
> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>
> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> Big Bang.
>
>
>
>

He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> >>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> >>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> >>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> >>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> >>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> >>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> >>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> >>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> >>>>
> >>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> >>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> >>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>
> >>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> >>
> >> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> >> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> >>
> >> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> >>
> >> Fair enough?
> >
> > You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> >
> > God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> > of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> > Big Bang.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled.

God wasn't always there...

and neither were you.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>
>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>>>
>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>>>
>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>>>
>>>> Fair enough?
>>>
>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>>>
>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
>>> Big Bang.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
>
> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled.
>
> God wasn't always there...
>
> and neither were you.
>

How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> >>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> >>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> >>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> >>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> >>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> >>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> >>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> >>>>
> >>>> Fair enough?
> >>>
> >>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> >>>
> >>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> >>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> >>> Big Bang.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> >> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> >
> > God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled.
> >
> > God wasn't always there...
> >
> > and neither were you.
> >
>
> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

forever and a day.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> >>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> >>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> >>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> >>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> >>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> >>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> >>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> >>>>
> >>>> Fair enough?
> >>>
> >>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> >>>
> >>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> >>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> >>> Big Bang.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> >> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> >
> > God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled..
> >
> > God wasn't always there...
> >
> > and neither were you.
> >
> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

God Creates His Gravity... since the absolute beginning. And will never stop...
He is Creating Time forever...

On 10/30/2023 11:29 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fair enough?
>>>>>
>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>>>>>
>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
>>>>> Big Bang.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
>>>
>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled.
>>>
>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>
>>> and neither were you.
>>>
>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
>
> God Creates His Gravity... since the absolute beginning. And will never stop...
> He is Creating Time forever...

Was God ever truly alone?

On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fair enough?
>>>>>
>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>>>>>
>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
>>>>> Big Bang.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
>>>
>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled.
>>>
>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>
>>> and neither were you.
>>>
>>
>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
>
> forever and a day.
>
>

:^D

Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> >>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> >>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> >>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> >>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fair enough?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> >>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> >>>>> Big Bang.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> >>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> >>>
> >>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> >>>
> >>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>
> >>> and neither were you.
> >>>
> >>
> >> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> >
> > forever and a day.
> >
> >
>
> :^D
>
> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

the universe had plenty of time to figure out
how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

The universe needed a God to create it.

But in the process, of the big bang God would
be...dispersed.

E=Mc^2

Enrico Fermi when he was 21 years old:

Enrico Fermi was intensively involved with Einstein's theory of relativity and traced the hidden power of atomic nuclei.
In 1923, he wrote that it would probably not be possible to release this energy in the near future, "because
the first effect would be an explosion so terrible that it would tear the physicist who tried it to pieces".

God is...everywhere.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
>>>>>>> Big Bang.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
>>>>>
>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
>>>>>
>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>
>>>>> and neither were you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
>>>
>>> forever and a day.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> :^D
>>
>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
>
> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
>
> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
>
> The universe needed a God to create it.

[...]

So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

God was before the universe, right?

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> >>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> >>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> >>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> >>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> >>>>>>> Big Bang.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> >>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and neither were you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> >>>
> >>> forever and a day.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> :^D
> >>
> >> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> >
> > Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> >
> > the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> > how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> >
> > The universe needed a God to create it.
>
> [...]
>
> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
>
> God was before the universe, right?

First a universe
then
God came in/evolved afterwards
then
God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

"In"
The operative word is "in"!

Definition of the word...In:
expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
or surrounded by something else.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

The Code:
'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'

in:
to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.

What is dis chicken business????

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
>>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
>>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
>>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and neither were you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
>>>>>
>>>>> forever and a day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :^D
>>>>
>>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
>>>
>>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
>>>
>>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
>>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
>>>
>>> The universe needed a God to create it.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
>>
>> God was before the universe, right?
>
>
> First a universe
> then
> God came in/evolved afterwards
> then
> God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
>
> "In"
> The operative word is "in"!
>
> Definition of the word...In:
> expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> or surrounded by something else.
> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
>
> The Code:
> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>
>
> in:
> to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
>
>
> What is dis chicken business????

Where did the universe come from?

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:49:32 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> forever and a day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> :^D
> >>>>
> >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> >>>
> >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> >>>
> >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> >>>
> >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> >>
> >> God was before the universe, right?
> >
> >
> > First a universe
> > then
> > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > then
> > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> >
> > "In"
> > The operative word is "in"!
> >
> > Definition of the word...In:
> > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > or surrounded by something else.
> > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> >
> > The Code:
> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> >
> >
> > in:
> > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> >
> >
> > What is dis chicken business????
> Where did the universe come from?

Who created the Earth?

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
> On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> forever and a day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> :^D
> >>>>
> >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> >>>
> >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> >>>
> >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> >>>
> >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> >>
> >> God was before the universe, right?
> >
> >
> > First a universe
> > then
> > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > then
> > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> >
> > "In"
> > The operative word is "in"!
> >
> > Definition of the word...In:
> > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > or surrounded by something else.
> > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> >
> > The Code:
> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> >
> >
> > in:
> > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> >
> >
> > What is dis chicken business????
>
> Where did the universe come from?

On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >
> > On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€šÂ¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€šÂ¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end....
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> > >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> > >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> > >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> > >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> forever and a day.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> :^D
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> > >>>
> > >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> > >>>
> > >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> > >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> > >>>
> > >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> > >>
> > >> [...]
> > >>
> > >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> > >>
> > >> God was before the universe, right?
> > >
> > >
> > > First a universe
> > > then
> > > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > > then
> > > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> > >
> > > "In"
> > > The operative word is "in"!
> > >
> > > Definition of the word...In:
> > > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > > or surrounded by something else.
> > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > >
> > > The Code:
> > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> > >
> > >
> > > in:
> > > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> > >
> > >
> > > What is dis chicken business????
> >
> > Where did the universe come from?
> Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
> universe it is surrounded by IN????
>
> To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
> around it.

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >
> > > On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€šÂ¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€šÂ¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> > > >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> > > >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> > > >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> > > >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> forever and a day.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> :^D
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> > > >>>
> > > >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> > > >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> > > >>
> > > >> [...]
> > > >>
> > > >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> > > >>
> > > >> God was before the universe, right?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > First a universe
> > > > then
> > > > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > > > then
> > > > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> > > >
> > > > "In"
> > > > The operative word is "in"!
> > > >
> > > > Definition of the word...In:
> > > > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > > > or surrounded by something else.
> > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > >
> > > > The Code:
> > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > in:
> > > > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is dis chicken business????
> > >
> > > Where did the universe come from?
> > Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
> > universe it is surrounded by IN????
> >
> > To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
> > around it.
>
> What is your proof of that?
> The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

>> > Where did the universe come from?
>> Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
>> universe it is surrounded by IN???? To be clear, you're In a universe
>> that is an enclosure of the SPACE around it.
>
> What is your proof of that?
> The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

well, when you are at war, and your wife spends $1.2 millions on shopping
in the fucking capitalist 𝗻𝗲𝘄_𝘆𝗼𝗿𝗸, then you are in a big trouble,
𝗦𝗺𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗸𝘆. And the bidona. Big problem, both. And you, stop lying to the
american people.

𝗪𝗲_𝘄𝗼𝗻’𝘁_𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗸_𝘁𝗼_𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮 – Zelensky
https://r%74.com/ru%73%73ia/586590-zelensky-will-not-talk-russia/

Seems drug-induced delusions of grandeur are sometimes simply incurable.

Thats because the fake "Ukraine" has been bought and sold to NATO, so
Ukrainian lives don't matter. Just like the U$ been bought and sold to the
Bank of "England".

ust put the swastika on his forhead

The Starmaker wrote:
>
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€šÂ¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€šÂ¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> > > > >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> > > > >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> forever and a day.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> :^D
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> > > > >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [...]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> God was before the universe, right?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > First a universe
> > > > > then
> > > > > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > > > > then
> > > > > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> > > > >
> > > > > "In"
> > > > > The operative word is "in"!
> > > > >
> > > > > Definition of the word...In:
> > > > > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > > > > or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > > >
> > > > > The Code:
> > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > in:
> > > > > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is dis chicken business????
> > > >
> > > > Where did the universe come from?
> > > Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
> > > universe it is surrounded by IN????
> > >
> > > To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
> > > around it.
> >
> > What is your proof of that?
> > The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.
>
> The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".
>
> **** Definition of the word...In:
> **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
> enclosed
> **** or surrounded by something else.
> **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
>
> YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.
>
> Are you not aware of what you speak????
>
>