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by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 18:19 UTC

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God....
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> > > > > >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> forever and a day.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> :^D
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> > > > > >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> [...]
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> God was before the universe, right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First a universe
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "In"
> > > > > > The operative word is "in"!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Definition of the word...In:
> > > > > > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > > > > > or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Code:
> > > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > in:
> > > > > > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is dis chicken business????
> > > > >
> > > > > Where did the universe come from?
> > > > Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
> > > > universe it is surrounded by IN????
> > > >
> > > > To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
> > > > around it.
> > >
> > > What is your proof of that?
> > > The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.
> >
> > The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".
> >
> > **** Definition of the word...In:
> > **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
> > enclosed
> > **** or surrounded by something else.
> > **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> >
> > YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.
> >
> > Are you not aware of what you speak????
> >
> >
> So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...
>
>
> you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
> surrounded by something else.

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by: The Starmaker - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 19:06 UTC

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬ ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬Ã¢âÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃ¢â¬Â¦ÃâÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬Ãâ¦ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬ ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬Ã¢âÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃ¢â¬Â¦ÃâÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬Ãâ¦ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> forever and a day.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> :^D
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> > > > > > >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> [...]
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> God was before the universe, right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First a universe
> > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "In"
> > > > > > > The operative word is "in"!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Definition of the word...In:
> > > > > > > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > > > > > > or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Code:
> > > > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > in:
> > > > > > > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is dis chicken business????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where did the universe come from?
> > > > > Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
> > > > > universe it is surrounded by IN????
> > > > >
> > > > > To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
> > > > > around it.
> > > >
> > > > What is your proof of that?
> > > > The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.
> > >
> > > The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".
> > >
> > > **** Definition of the word...In:
> > > **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
> > > enclosed
> > > **** or surrounded by something else.
> > > **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > >
> > > YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.
> > >
> > > Are you not aware of what you speak????
> > >
> > >
> > So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...
> >
> >
> > you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
> > surrounded by something else.
>
> Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
> not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
> There is only one universe measured...
>
> Mitchell Raemsch
> >
> >
> > Don't use the word...."In".

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by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 19:39 UTC

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> forever and a day.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> :^D
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> > > > > > > >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> [...]
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> God was before the universe, right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First a universe
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "In"
> > > > > > > > The operative word is "in"!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Definition of the word...In:
> > > > > > > > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > > > > > > > or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Code:
> > > > > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > in:
> > > > > > > > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What is dis chicken business????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Where did the universe come from?
> > > > > > Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
> > > > > > universe it is surrounded by IN????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
> > > > > > around it.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your proof of that?
> > > > > The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.
> > > >
> > > > The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".
> > > >
> > > > **** Definition of the word...In:
> > > > **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
> > > > enclosed
> > > > **** or surrounded by something else.
> > > > **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > >
> > > > YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.
> > > >
> > > > Are you not aware of what you speak????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary....
> > >
> > >
> > > you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
> > > surrounded by something else.
> >
> > Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
> > not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
> > There is only one universe measured...
> >
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't use the word...."In".
> Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".
>
> You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the
> horizon.

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mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 11:06:07â¯AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬ ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬Ã¢âÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃ¢â¬Â¦ÃâÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬Ãâ¦ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬ ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬Ã¢âÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃ¢â¬Â¦ÃâÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬Ãâ¦ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> forever and a day.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> :^D
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> > > > > > > > >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> [...]
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> God was before the universe, right?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > First a universe
> > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "In"
> > > > > > > > > The operative word is "in"!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Definition of the word...In:
> > > > > > > > > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > > > > > > > > or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Code:
> > > > > > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > in:
> > > > > > > > > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What is dis chicken business????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where did the universe come from?
> > > > > > > Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
> > > > > > > universe it is surrounded by IN????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
> > > > > > > around it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is your proof of that?
> > > > > > The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.
> > > > >
> > > > > The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".
> > > > >
> > > > > **** Definition of the word...In:
> > > > > **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
> > > > > enclosed
> > > > > **** or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > > >
> > > > > YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you not aware of what you speak????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
> > > > surrounded by something else.
> > >
> > > Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
> > > not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
> > > There is only one universe measured...
> > >
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't use the word...."In".
> > Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".
> >
> > You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the
> > horizon.
>
> There is no beyond the hypersphere universe.
> Higher round is first with no physical before it.

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by: Chris M. Thomasson - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 20:32 UTC

On 11/5/2023 10:19 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and neither were you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> forever and a day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
>>>>>>>>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The universe needed a God to create it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> God was before the universe, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First a universe
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> God came in/evolved afterwards
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In"
>>>>>>> The operative word is "in"!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Definition of the word...In:
>>>>>>> expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
>>>>>>> or surrounded by something else.
>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Code:
>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in:
>>>>>>> to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is dis chicken business????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did the universe come from?
>>>>> Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
>>>>> universe it is surrounded by IN????
>>>>>
>>>>> To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
>>>>> around it.
>>>>
>>>> What is your proof of that?
>>>> The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.
>>>
>>> The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".
>>>
>>> **** Definition of the word...In:
>>> **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
>>> enclosed
>>> **** or surrounded by something else.
>>> **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
>>>
>>> YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.
>>>
>>> Are you not aware of what you speak????
>>>
>>>
>> So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...
>>
>>
>> you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
>> surrounded by something else.
>
> Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
> not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
> There is only one universe measured...

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by: Chris M. Thomasson - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 20:33 UTC

On 11/5/2023 11:06 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43â€¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19â€¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒï¿½â‚¬ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬ ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒï¿½â‚¬ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒï¿½â‚¬ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒï¿½â‚¬ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬ ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒï¿½â‚¬ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒï¿½â‚¬ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and neither were you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and a day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
>>>>>>>>>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The universe needed a God to create it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> God was before the universe, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First a universe
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> God came in/evolved afterwards
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In"
>>>>>>>> The operative word is "in"!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Definition of the word...In:
>>>>>>>> expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
>>>>>>>> or surrounded by something else.
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Code:
>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in:
>>>>>>>> to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is dis chicken business????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did the universe come from?
>>>>>> Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
>>>>>> universe it is surrounded by IN????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
>>>>>> around it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your proof of that?
>>>>> The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.
>>>>
>>>> The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".
>>>>
>>>> **** Definition of the word...In:
>>>> **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
>>>> enclosed
>>>> **** or surrounded by something else.
>>>> **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
>>>>
>>>> YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.
>>>>
>>>> Are you not aware of what you speak????
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...
>>>
>>>
>>> you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
>>> surrounded by something else.
>>
>> Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
>> not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
>> There is only one universe measured...
>>
>> Mitchell Raemsch
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't use the word...."In".
>
> Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".
>
> You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the
> horizon.

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by: Chris M. Thomasson - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 20:35 UTC

On 11/5/2023 11:39 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€ Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã�€ â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and neither were you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and a day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
>>>>>>>>>>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The universe needed a God to create it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> God was before the universe, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First a universe
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> God came in/evolved afterwards
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "In"
>>>>>>>>> The operative word is "in"!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Definition of the word...In:
>>>>>>>>> expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
>>>>>>>>> or surrounded by something else.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Code:
>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in:
>>>>>>>>> to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is dis chicken business????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did the universe come from?
>>>>>>> Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
>>>>>>> universe it is surrounded by IN????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
>>>>>>> around it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your proof of that?
>>>>>> The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.
>>>>>
>>>>> The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".
>>>>>
>>>>> **** Definition of the word...In:
>>>>> **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
>>>>> enclosed
>>>>> **** or surrounded by something else.
>>>>> **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
>>>>>
>>>>> YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you not aware of what you speak????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
>>>> surrounded by something else.
>>>
>>> Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
>>> not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
>>> There is only one universe measured...
>>>
>>> Mitchell Raemsch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't use the word...."In".
>> Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".
>>
>> You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the
>> horizon.
>
> There is no beyond the hypersphere universe.
> Higher round is first with no physical before it.

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The Starmaker wrote:
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> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬ ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬Ã¢âÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃ¢â¬Â¦ÃâÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬Ãâ¦ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬ ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬Ã¢âÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃâÃâÃÂ¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃ¢â¬Â¦ÃâÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¬ÃÆÃâÃï¿½â¬ Ã¢â¬â¢ÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬Ãâ¦ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃâÃÂ¢Ã¢âÂ¬ÃÂ¡ÃÆÃ¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time does not end at all.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Time does not end at all then
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time has no beginning at all.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In another way... He has always been a timeless God...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Big Bang.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> God wasn't always there...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> and neither were you.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> forever and a day.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> :^D
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Was God ever truly alone? Humm...
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Before God came into play...so to speak, ..
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> the universe had plenty of time to figure out
> > > > > > > >>> how to create a universe with everything IN IT.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> The universe needed a God to create it.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> [...]
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> God was before the universe, right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First a universe
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > God came in/evolved afterwards
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "In"
> > > > > > > > The operative word is "in"!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Definition of the word...In:
> > > > > > > > expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
> > > > > > > > or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Code:
> > > > > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > in:
> > > > > > > > to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What is dis chicken business????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Where did the universe come from?
> > > > > > Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
> > > > > > universe it is surrounded by IN????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
> > > > > > around it.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your proof of that?
> > > > > The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.
> > > >
> > > > The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".
> > > >
> > > > **** Definition of the word...In:
> > > > **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
> > > > enclosed
> > > > **** or surrounded by something else.
> > > > **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in
> > > >
> > > > YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.
> > > >
> > > > Are you not aware of what you speak????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...
> > >
> > >
> > > you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
> > > surrounded by something else.
> >
> > Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
> > not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
> > There is only one universe measured...
> >
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't use the word...."In".
>
> Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".
>
> You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the
> horizon.
>
> There you will find...something else.

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