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* John Gabriel is dead.John Sylvester
+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Dewey Achthoven
| `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.mitchr...@gmail.com
|  `* RE: Re: John Gabriel is dead.Earle Jones
|   `- Re: Re: John Gabriel is dead.Dan joyce
+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|`- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Knorp Thonka
||`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|| +* Re: John Gabriel is dead.John Sylvester
|| |+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|| ||`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|| || `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|| ||  `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|| ||   `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|| ||    `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|| |+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.FromTheRafters
|| ||`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|| || `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|| |`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Volney
|| | +- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Teddy Kan
|| | `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Carloz Houttum
|| |  `- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|| `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Knorp Thonka
||  `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
| `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Dan Christensen
|`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
| `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|  +- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|  `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.V õ l u r
|`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
| `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Fritz Feldhase
|  +* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|  |`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Ross Finlayson
|  | `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Ross Finlayson
|  |  +* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
|  |  |`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | +* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Ross Finlayson
|  |  | |`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | | `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Ross Finlayson
|  |  | |  +* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
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|  |  | |  | `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |  `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Ross Finlayson
|  |  | |   `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |    `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Ross Finlayson
|  |  | |     +* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Knorp Thonka
|  |  | |     |`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     | `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Knorp Thonka
|  |  | |     |  `* Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   +- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   +* Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   |`* Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|  |  | |     |   | +- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   | +- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   | +- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   | +- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   | +- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Fritz Feldhase
|  |  | |     |   | +- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   | `* Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   |  `* Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|  |  | |     |   |   +* Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   |   |+- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   |   |`- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | |     |   |   +* Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Luigi Bonavita
|  |  | |     |   |   |`- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|  |  | |     |   |   +* Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Luigi Bonavita
|  |  | |     |   |   |`- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|  |  | |     |   |   +- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Ross Finlayson
|  |  | |     |   |   `- Re: John Gabriel is NOT dead.Ross Finlayson
|  |  | |     |   +- Re: John Gabriel is deadKnorp Thonka
|  |  | |     |   +- Re: John Gabriel is deadMild Shock
|  |  | |     |   +* Re: John Gabriel is deadMild Shock
|  |  | |     |   |`* Re: John Gabriel is deadChris M. Thomasson
|  |  | |     |   | `- Re: John Gabriel is deadChris M. Thomasson
|  |  | |     |   +- Re: John Gabriel is deadMild Shock
|  |  | |     |   +- Re: John Gabriel is deadMild Shock
|  |  | |     |   `- Re: John Gabriel is deadMild Shock
|  |  | |     `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
|  |  | `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|  |  |  `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|  |  `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|  `- RE: Re: John Gabriel is dead.Earle Jones
+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Quantum Bubbles
|+- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Knorp Thonka
|+- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Dan joyce
|`- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
|`* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
| `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
|  `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Chris M. Thomasson
|   `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mostowski Collapse
|    `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Ross Finlayson
|     `* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Ross Finlayson
|      `- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
+- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Dan Christensen
+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.markus...@gmail.com
+* Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
+- Re: John Gabriel is dead.Mild Shock
+- Re: John Gabriel is dead.bassam karzeddin
`- Re: John Gabriel is dead.V

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From: chris.m....@gmail.com (Chris M. Thomasson)
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Subject: Re: John Gabriel is dead.
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 by: Chris M. Thomasson - Sun, 28 May 2023 19:28 UTC

On 5/28/2023 8:56 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 5:40:15 PM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 4:46:34 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
[...]
> Who will behave _so badly_ that even AP the lesser turned all dirty?
[...]

Actually, AP has inspired me to create a couple of really neat things! I
really do want AP to create a little online calculator to show of his
ideas, apCalc?

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 by: Chris M. Thomasson - Sun, 28 May 2023 19:33 UTC

On 5/28/2023 9:24 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
> "According to Herodotus's Histories, the seventh century
> BC sage Aristeas of Proconnesus was first found dead,
> after which his body disappeared from a locked room. Later
> he found not only to have been resurrected but to
>
> have gained immortality. Aristeas (Greek: Ἀριστέας) was a
> semi-legendary Greek poet and miracle-worker, a native of
> Proconnesus in Asia Minor, active ca. 7th century BC. The
> Suda claims that, whenever he wished, his soul could
>
> leave his body and return again."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristeas
>
> So John Gabriel has turned from Genius, to the Magnificient,
> that can walk among the dead and alive. I guess he announced
> his transformation already a few months ago, when he wrote:
[...]

No shit! Wow.

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 by: Chris M. Thomasson - Sun, 28 May 2023 19:54 UTC

On 5/28/2023 8:27 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
> Now I want my money back. I just gifted $5 for his funeral:
[...]

If John actually did fake it, well, I would want 10$ back!

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 by: Mild Shock - Sun, 28 May 2023 20:15 UTC

Every time a Herpes Blister burst on Rossy
Boys face, his mother locks him in the basement.

The problem is, because of snorting cocaine all
day, if Rossy Boy would go out, he would bite

people on the street, he would even bite the police.

Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 20:16:59 UTC+2:
> ... usual ... usual ... usual ...

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 by: Ross Finlayson - Sun, 28 May 2023 20:55 UTC

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-7, Mild Shock wrote:
> Every time a Herpes Blister burst on Rossy
> Boys face, his mother locks him in the basement.
>
> The problem is, because of snorting cocaine all
> day, if Rossy Boy would go out, he would bite
>
> people on the street, he would even bite the police.
>
> Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 20:16:59 UTC+2:
> > ... usual ... usual ... usual ...

Nope: never been a head.

(Some people enjoy stronger stimulants but I've no need, nor use, of them.
Also tweakers can't be trusted and people who are high on drogas are
not really in their right mind, nor are they that great, though they may
feel great, I know they'll soon crash. In vino veritas, but, I'll stick
with nicotine the RAM-doubler and caffeine in the morning, don't need
much else falsely informing my positive opinion of myself. Or, "no,
thanks, my grandioisis is already very well-developed and doesn't
need a bludgeon to the pleasure centers nor the drain thereof".)

Now, you might look to somebody like Erdos, or, you know, Feynman,
as somebody who was always eating cross-tops, it's never been my thing.
(Also I don't really know if Feynman was an addict, but Erdos was,
and no-one's quite sure what was in Einstein's pipe.)

It's sort of like I wrote 10,000 posts like I figure an AI will, "read it",
some day, ..., and know right from wrong, writing its foundations.

That said, again, one hopes that AP will get back to his more
sylvan pursuits without the sort of bad apple that makes the
behavior of such jerks like "Burse's other bots" seem moderate,
when in fact they are reprehensible.

"Universe is one big dot."

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Nooooo Burse, that was me who uploaded the document. JG has written quite a lot of articles that he didn't get to publish before his death, for this reason (among others) he gave both me and John Sylvester access to both his Academia and YouTube account.

But damm dude, you open JG's articles quite a lot. Does that mean you agree with some of his stuff?

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 by: Mild Shock - Sun, 28 May 2023 21:20 UTC

Material implication is critizised for obeying two laws,
because it is seen as (A => B) == (~A v B):

Law of noncontradiction (LNC)
Formally this is expressed as the tautology ¬(p ∧ ¬p).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontradiction

Law of excluded middle (LEM)
precise statement of the law of excluded middle, p ∨ ~p
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle

On the other hand we can critizise Rossy Boy for
having no law whatever in its posts. They are kind of
Lawless sequences of words.

Did Rossy Boy resolve all paradoxes then, by
inventing a Lawless logic, "the logic"?

Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 22:55:46 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-7, Mild Shock wrote:
> > Every time a Herpes Blister burst on Rossy
> > Boys face, his mother locks him in the basement.
> >
> > The problem is, because of snorting cocaine all
> > day, if Rossy Boy would go out, he would bite
> >
> > people on the street, he would even bite the police.
> >
> > Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 20:16:59 UTC+2:
> > > ... usual ... usual ... usual ...
> Nope: never been a head.
>
> (Some people enjoy stronger stimulants but I've no need, nor use, of them..
> Also tweakers can't be trusted and people who are high on drogas are
> not really in their right mind, nor are they that great, though they may
> feel great, I know they'll soon crash. In vino veritas, but, I'll stick
> with nicotine the RAM-doubler and caffeine in the morning, don't need
> much else falsely informing my positive opinion of myself. Or, "no,
> thanks, my grandioisis is already very well-developed and doesn't
> need a bludgeon to the pleasure centers nor the drain thereof".)
>
> Now, you might look to somebody like Erdos, or, you know, Feynman,
> as somebody who was always eating cross-tops, it's never been my thing.
> (Also I don't really know if Feynman was an addict, but Erdos was,
> and no-one's quite sure what was in Einstein's pipe.)
>
>
>
> It's sort of like I wrote 10,000 posts like I figure an AI will, "read it",
> some day, ..., and know right from wrong, writing its foundations.
>
>
> That said, again, one hopes that AP will get back to his more
> sylvan pursuits without the sort of bad apple that makes the
> behavior of such jerks like "Burse's other bots" seem moderate,
> when in fact they are reprehensible.
>
> "Universe is one big dot."

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 by: Mild Shock - Sun, 28 May 2023 21:25 UTC

Nice try, troll. I don't believe you. Because I did nowhere write
that I opened JG's articles quite a lot. I got a notification by Academia:
This means a notification E-mail landed in my inbox. It was

a push message, not that I was polling the JG account on Academia.
Of course a push message, indicating some activity, short
after JGs death, raised my attention. Whats your proof he is dead?

Mild Shock schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 17:21:04 UTC+2:
------------------------------ cut here -----------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 May 2023 15:53:07 +0000
From: PDF by John Gabriel <upd...@academia-mail.com>

Hi Gottlob,

John Gabriel just uploaded "If you believe that Chat GPT
and Bard are &quot;AIs&quot; then you are a moron." on Academia.edu.

View the paper here:

https://www.academia.edu/t/xyEqy-Q7kzHf5-UA2UL/resource/work/102442802/If_you_believe_that_Chat_GPT_and_Bard_are_AIs_then_you_are_a_moron

Thanks,
The Academia.edu Team
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Knorp Thonka schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 23:19:07 UTC+2:
> Nooooo Burse, that was me who uploaded the document.
JG has written quite a lot of articles that he didn't get to
publish before his death, for this reason (among others) he
gave both me and John Sylvester access to both his
Academia and YouTube account.
>
> But damm dude, you open JG's articles quite a lot. Does that mean you agree with some of his stuff?

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 by: Mostowski Collapse - Sun, 28 May 2023 23:33 UTC

Maybe Rossy Boy can even top John Garbageiel?

John Gabriel was prolific in avoiding the pitfalls of
material implication. He repeatedly claimed to posses
a "constructive" mean value theorem.

"(c) John Gabriel, Discoverer of the New Calculus.
The first constructive proof of the mean value
theorem was produced by me."
https://thenewcalculus.weebly.com/

Although we have:

"In constructive mathematics, the mean-value theorems
generally cannot be proved, since it may be impossible
to find the value c."
https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/mean+value+theorem

LoL

> Material implication is critizised for obeying two laws,
> because it is seen as (A => B) == (~A v B):
>
> Law of noncontradiction (LNC)
> Formally this is expressed as the tautology ¬(p ∧ ¬p).
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontradiction
>
> Law of excluded middle (LEM)
> precise statement of the law of excluded middle, p ∨ ~p
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle
>
> On the other hand we can critizise Rossy Boy for
> having no law whatever in its posts. They are kind of
> Lawless sequences of words.
>
> Did Rossy Boy resolve all paradoxes then, by
> inventing a Lawless logic, "the logic"?
>
> Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 22:55:46 UTC+2:
>> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-7, Mild Shock wrote:
>>> Every time a Herpes Blister burst on Rossy
>>> Boys face, his mother locks him in the basement.
>>>
>>> The problem is, because of snorting cocaine all
>>> day, if Rossy Boy would go out, he would bite
>>>
>>> people on the street, he would even bite the police.
>>>
>>> Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 20:16:59 UTC+2:
>>>> ... usual ... usual ... usual ...
>> Nope: never been a head.

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 by: Chris M. Thomasson - Mon, 29 May 2023 02:42 UTC

On 5/28/2023 12:33 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 5/28/2023 9:24 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
>> "According to Herodotus's Histories, the seventh century
>> BC sage Aristeas of Proconnesus was first found dead,
>> after which his body disappeared from a locked room. Later
>> he found not only to have been resurrected but to
>>
>> have gained immortality. Aristeas (Greek: Ἀριστέας) was a
>> semi-legendary Greek poet and miracle-worker, a native of
>> Proconnesus in Asia Minor, active ca. 7th century BC. The
>> Suda claims that, whenever he wished, his soul could
>>
>> leave his body and return again."
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristeas
>>
>> So John Gabriel has turned from Genius, to the Magnificient,
>> that can walk among the dead and alive. I guess he announced
>> his transformation already a few months ago, when he wrote:
> [...]
>
> No shit! Wow.
>

Na. John would never fake his own passage into the other realm. RIP
John! I hope your eyesight on the other side is 20/20, buddy!

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On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:12:16 PM UTC-4, John Sylvester wrote:
> As a close associate of John Gabriel, I can confirm that he, a frequent poster to sci.math, passed away peacefully in his sleep on the 25th May, 2023.
>

I could be wrong, but I suspect JG is still alive and is desperately trying to garner sympathy for his lost cause, hoping to return in a few days to cheers all round. Really quite pathetic.

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 by: Ross Finlayson - Mon, 29 May 2023 03:26 UTC

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 4:33:53 PM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> Maybe Rossy Boy can even top John Garbageiel?
>
> John Gabriel was prolific in avoiding the pitfalls of
> material implication. He repeatedly claimed to posses
> a "constructive" mean value theorem.
>
> "(c) John Gabriel, Discoverer of the New Calculus.
> The first constructive proof of the mean value
> theorem was produced by me."
> https://thenewcalculus.weebly.co m/
>
> Although we have:
>
> "In constructive mathematics, the mean-value theorems
> generally cannot be proved, since it may be impossible
> to find the value c."
> https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/mean+value+theorem
>
> LoL
> > Material implication is critizised for obeying two laws,
> > because it is seen as (A => B) == (~A v B):
> >
> > Law of noncontradiction (LNC)
> > Formally this is expressed as the tautology ¬(p ∧ ¬p)..
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontradiction
> >
> > Law of excluded middle (LEM)
> > precise statement of the law of excluded middle, p ∨ ~p
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle
> >
> > On the other hand we can critizise Rossy Boy for
> > having no law whatever in its posts. They are kind of
> > Lawless sequences of words.
> >
> > Did Rossy Boy resolve all paradoxes then, by
> > inventing a Lawless logic, "the logic"?
> >
> > Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 22:55:46 UTC+2:
> >> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-7, Mild Shock wrote:
> >>> Every time a Herpes Blister burst on Rossy
> >>> Boys face, his mother locks him in the basement.
> >>>
> >>> The problem is, because of snorting cocaine all
> >>> day, if Rossy Boy would go out, he would bite
> >>>
> >>> people on the street, he would even bite the police.
> >>>
> >>> Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 20:16:59 UTC+2:
> >>>> ... usual ... usual ... usual ...
> >> Nope: never been a head.

The mean value theorem, MVT isn't quite so relevant
to calculus and the fundamental theorems of calculus, FTC
as the intermediate value theorem, IVT.

https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/intermediate+value+theorem

How about "sigma algebras for the range of the equivalency function",
and something like "providing the 1-D [0,1] Jordan measure a sigma-algebra"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_measure

Can't much have a "new calculus, the integral and differential calculus",
without having some "new real numbers" (really, old ones) and keeping
the current ones.

So there never was a "J.B.J.G."'s "new calculus", just a few plagiarized
dusted off notes of Newton-Coates which is why if you're interested
in that you should study Newton-Coates and differential geometry,
and understand it's a tiny little thing as a sort of castrati to round
out the orchestra, which doesn't itself quite provide a world of tone.

A paper about Jordan measure:
http://simonrs.com/eulercircle/markovchains/sriteja-measure.pdf

About axiomless natural deduction though, it's really quite old-fashioned
and lots of algebraic GEOMETERS have the rulial and regular and
what results the LAWS arise from it, not LAWLESS you connivance,
neither the "vacuous arbitrary non-causal slip it in the stack material
implication", which here is reserved for modal truth tables, that are fungible.

(Are ponzi scheme players liable if ponzi's a crime?)

Indeed, like Goedel says, anything (that suffices to establish integer
arithmetic ...) that doesn't arise from natural axiomless deduction
is at best incomplete.

"Material implication" is garbage and has no business putting
anything in "the truth-tables", because there's no telling
whether a false antecedent or arbitrarily stipulated consequent
is basically having stuffed a dummy that is INVALID under the contrapositive
and otherwise for negation in the boolean. "Direct implication" of course
without such foibles is perfectly suited for same. (Items in the truth tables.)

Quit polluting the truth table. Give a hoot: don't pollute.

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 by: Volney - Mon, 29 May 2023 03:38 UTC

On 5/26/2023 5:33 PM, John Sylvester wrote:
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 10:17:29 PM UTC+1, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
>> Mathematicians don't kill themselves when their
>> eyesight worsens. See Leonhard Euler.
>>
>> Eyesight deterioration
>> However, his condition appeared to have little effect on his
>> productivity. With the aid of his scribes, Euler's productivity in
>> many areas of study increased; and, in 1775, he produced,
>> on average, one mathematical paper every week.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonhard_Euler#Eyesight_deterioration
>> Knorp Thonka schrieb am Freitag, 26. Mai 2023 um 23:09:19 UTC+2:
>>> Nah, he's officially dead. He wanted to have surgery to have his eyesight fixed, but it didn't work, on the contrary his eyesight became worse, so he killed himself. You can't do math without being able to see.
>
> Mostowski Collapse, as I said, I am a very close associate of JG - hence why I have appeared on his channel to contribute on it from this recent ill health (worse and unrelated to back when he went to China) - as I said, yesterday, he died in his sleep peacefully.
>
> I doubt an obituary will appear publically, other than mine, so I'm not sure how I can prove this for you.

Can you share whether John was able to work, living on his own or
anything? It's none of my business of course, but just curious so I
don't expect an answer.

Rest in peace, John.

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 by: Ross Finlayson - Mon, 29 May 2023 03:46 UTC

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 8:26:22 PM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 4:33:53 PM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> > Maybe Rossy Boy can even top John Garbageiel?
> >
> > John Gabriel was prolific in avoiding the pitfalls of
> > material implication. He repeatedly claimed to posses
> > a "constructive" mean value theorem.
> >
> > "(c) John Gabriel, Discoverer of the New Calculus.
> > The first constructive proof of the mean value
> > theorem was produced by me."
> > https://thenewcalculus.weebly.co m/
> >
> > Although we have:
> >
> > "In constructive mathematics, the mean-value theorems
> > generally cannot be proved, since it may be impossible
> > to find the value c."
> > https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/mean+value+theorem
> >
> > LoL
> > > Material implication is critizised for obeying two laws,
> > > because it is seen as (A => B) == (~A v B):
> > >
> > > Law of noncontradiction (LNC)
> > > Formally this is expressed as the tautology ¬(p ∧ ¬p).
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontradiction
> > >
> > > Law of excluded middle (LEM)
> > > precise statement of the law of excluded middle, p ∨ ~p
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle
> > >
> > > On the other hand we can critizise Rossy Boy for
> > > having no law whatever in its posts. They are kind of
> > > Lawless sequences of words.
> > >
> > > Did Rossy Boy resolve all paradoxes then, by
> > > inventing a Lawless logic, "the logic"?
> > >
> > > Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 22:55:46 UTC+2:
> > >> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-7, Mild Shock wrote:
> > >>> Every time a Herpes Blister burst on Rossy
> > >>> Boys face, his mother locks him in the basement.
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem is, because of snorting cocaine all
> > >>> day, if Rossy Boy would go out, he would bite
> > >>>
> > >>> people on the street, he would even bite the police.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ross Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 20:16:59 UTC+2:
> > >>>> ... usual ... usual ... usual ...
> > >> Nope: never been a head.
> The mean value theorem, MVT isn't quite so relevant
> to calculus and the fundamental theorems of calculus, FTC
> as the intermediate value theorem, IVT.
>
> https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/intermediate+value+theorem
>
> How about "sigma algebras for the range of the equivalency function",
> and something like "providing the 1-D [0,1] Jordan measure a sigma-algebra"?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_measure
>
> Can't much have a "new calculus, the integral and differential calculus",
> without having some "new real numbers" (really, old ones) and keeping
> the current ones.
>
> So there never was a "J.B.J.G."'s "new calculus", just a few plagiarized
> dusted off notes of Newton-Coates which is why if you're interested
> in that you should study Newton-Coates and differential geometry,
> and understand it's a tiny little thing as a sort of castrati to round
> out the orchestra, which doesn't itself quite provide a world of tone.
>
> A paper about Jordan measure:
> http://simonrs.com/eulercircle/markovchains/sriteja-measure.pdf
>
>
> About axiomless natural deduction though, it's really quite old-fashioned
> and lots of algebraic GEOMETERS have the rulial and regular and
> what results the LAWS arise from it, not LAWLESS you connivance,
> neither the "vacuous arbitrary non-causal slip it in the stack material
> implication", which here is reserved for modal truth tables, that are fungible.
>
> (Are ponzi scheme players liable if ponzi's a crime?)
>
> Indeed, like Goedel says, anything (that suffices to establish integer
> arithmetic ...) that doesn't arise from natural axiomless deduction
> is at best incomplete.
>
> "Material implication" is garbage and has no business putting
> anything in "the truth-tables", because there's no telling
> whether a false antecedent or arbitrarily stipulated consequent
> is basically having stuffed a dummy that is INVALID under the contrapositive
> and otherwise for negation in the boolean. "Direct implication" of course
> without such foibles is perfectly suited for same. (Items in the truth tables.)
>
> Quit polluting the truth table. Give a hoot: don't pollute.

Maybe that's why they all say "hodl", "hold on for dear life"
crypto-ponzi schemers:
"don't ever say we didn't always say
not to perpetrate the ponzi on our ponzi",
crypto-ponzi schemes.

And it's like, "wow, I get it: they're criminals trying to defraud others"..

Don't confuse "block-chain: the distributed ledger"
with "crypto-ponzi: ponzi with anonymized outs",
and don't confuse "cryptography is hard"
with "simple large analog computers approximate quantum solvers".

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The BHK interpretation is interesting, since it covers
the notion of proof in a new way different from material
implication. So to arrive from some premisses A

to some conclusion B, to have (A => B) valid, it does
not draw on the truth table of material implication, but
wants a justification in a form of a function f:

Justification of A => B, is a function f that sends
a proof of A to a proof of B.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brouwer%E2%80%93Heyting%E2%80%93Kolmogorov_interpretation

This is the key to constructive mathematics, in the
sense that we have a notion of function in going from
premisses to conclusions, and we can restrict these

functions to be "constructive", like as the Greeks interpreted
constructive, Geometric constructions were constructive
when they used rule and compass a finite number of times.

In as far its quite conceivable that the Banach Tarksi theorem
might fail, if the "constructive" function set doesn't cover
making 3 spheres out of 1 sphere. Although Banach Tarski

tried everything to make it nevertheless that it is plausible
to have such a function, since they only use translation and
rotation, which usually preserves volume.

Ross Finlayson schrieb am Montag, 29. Mai 2023 um 05:46:50 UTC+2:
> > Quit polluting the truth table. Give a hoot: don't pollute.

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 by: Teddy Kan - Mon, 29 May 2023 12:42 UTC

Volney wrote:

>> I doubt an obituary will appear publically, other than mine, so I'm not
>> sure how I can prove this for you.
> Can you share whether John was able to work, living on his own or
> anything? It's none of my business of course, but just curious so I
> don't expect an answer. Rest in peace, John.

Russia is using low cost and highly effective tactic of exhausting NATO
air defences by sending wave after wave of deadly drones at
*simultaneous_military_targets*. While deluded Ukrainian khazar clown and
his awe struck commanders are *inventing_how_many_missiles_they_shot_down*
this time, Kiev’s khazars are assessing damage. At night, explosions
thundered in the *Kiev,_Lviv,_Zhytomyr,_Khmelnytsky,_Odessa*,
*Mykolaiv,_Vinnytsia,_Kirovograd,_Cherkasy,_Poltava* regions. The
*Ukrainians_have_banned_any_video_footage* of these attacks

So much for Ukraine's khazar *pissy_counteroffensive*.

BlackHoleSun, The Anglo-Zionists are pushing the Kiev khazar goy cabal to
sacrifice more Slavic cannon fodder, the fat Zionist khazar goy witch
Nuland said today, that "we have been training Ukraine
*for_a_counteroffensive_for_6_months* and will be very disappointed if it
does not happen".

this khazar ugly bitch should be judged and executed, for stealing from a
big local military infrastructure, in own criminal interest.

The heavy Ukrainian nazis losses ever, made it to the delusional
*anglo_khazar_media*, Russian overnight strikes *hit_a_military_facility*
in the region of Khmelnytsky in western Ukraine, the local administration
said on Monday in *a_rare_admission* of military targets being struck.
They also admitted that *_"5_aircraft_were_disabled"_* which in khazar goy
speak *means_DESTROYED*.

lol, Kiev rocked by a series of powerful explosions; But nazi Klitschko
said that it’s not explosions, *but_earthquake*; that it’s nazi troops
marching to frontlines that rocked Kiev

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 by: Carloz Houttum - Mon, 29 May 2023 13:04 UTC

Volney wrote:

> Can you share whether John was able to work, living on his own or
> anything? It's none of my business of course, but just curious so I
> don't expect an answer. Rest in peace, John.

he can't hear you, fucking stupid, he has no brain available, if dead.

the khazar goys of "ukraine" *are_eating_pig* and everything. What more
proof are you asking me about, saying *they_are_khazar_goys*?? Same thing
with "norway", "sweden" etc, they are "..berger"s *eating_pigs*, which
strongly *indicates_khazar_goys*. I don't know how to make it simpler.

French Empire 1812 ✔️
3rd Reich 1945 ✔️
ISIS 2017 ✔️
NATO 2023 ⌛

Hitler kaputt ✔️
Al Baghdadi kaputt ✔️
Zaluzhny kaputt ✔️
Zelenski kaputt ⌛

the khazar goy actor on cocaine is not even in "ukraine", fucking stupid,
long ago. For one month, two months? Since the big explosion of the sent
*anglo_khazar_depelted_uranium* ammunition, and possibly
*directly_atomic_bombs*. The shape of the explosion was very clear. It
spreads radiation. The khazar goy zelenskshit is not that stupid, staying
there, being bombarded. It's not what he is paid for.

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 by: Mild Shock - Mon, 29 May 2023 13:54 UTC

How is John Gabriel doing in his preper sarkophag with
internet connection? I guess his vanity hasn't vanished,
and the morning routine of bird brain is still them same:

Spamming the world with nonsense. I just got notified
that he uploaded one more paper, PDF
generated 29.05.23, 14:30:41:

https://www.academia.edu/t/xyEqy-Q7y4LVt-UCg0p/resource/work/102530388/Symmetry_of_the_circle_defines_four_basic_arithmetic_operations_x_

Have Fun everbody!

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 by: Earle Jones - Tue, 30 May 2023 04:26 UTC

On Sat May 27 15:53:36 2023 Fritz Feldhase wrote:
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 12:32:40AM UTC+2, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > On 5/26/2023 7:54 PM, V l u r wrote:
> > >
> > > You think, that someone should care ?
> > >
> > Yeah. We should all care. Right?
>
> Agree.
>
> He clearly was a so called "crank". So what?!
>
> He will be missed.
* John Gabriel's mathtmatical knowledge was significantly greater than that of Archimedes Plutonium. RIP.

earle
*

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Isn't it weird how you are getting notifications and NOT following John's former account?
Dude, you should write a book with all these weird anomalies from your fantasy. Do you really think that anyone would spend that much time and money to give John such a high-tech sarcophagus with internet connection?
As for further proof that John is dead, go check your latest notification of his newest article ;).

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 by: Mild Shock - Tue, 30 May 2023 22:43 UTC

You don't understand sarcasm, right?

Anyway I cannot check notifications anymore, since I have unsubscribed
to the Academia notifications. You can voluntarily subscribe and unsubscribe.
What does it say? Is there a new notification that says John is dead?

I rather took the notifications as proof that John is NOT dead.

But please enlighten me, whats going on?

Knorp Thonka schrieb am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2023 um 22:09:29 UTC+2:
> Isn't it weird how you are getting notifications and NOT following
> John's former account? Dude, you should write a book with all these
> weird anomalies from your fantasy. Do you really think that anyone
> would spend that much time and money to give John such a high-tech
> sarcophagus with internet connection?
> As for further proof that John is dead, go check your latest
> notification of his newest article ;).

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From: burse...@gmail.com (Mild Shock)
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 by: Mild Shock - Tue, 30 May 2023 22:48 UTC

Maybe upload a death certificate or something. So
that the festivities of mourning Johns death can
begin! You can post the link here on sci.math.

Mild Shock schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 00:43:48 UTC+2:
> You don't understand sarcasm, right?
>
> Anyway I cannot check notifications anymore, since I have unsubscribed
> to the Academia notifications. You can voluntarily subscribe and unsubscribe.
> What does it say? Is there a new notification that says John is dead?
>
> I rather took the notifications as proof that John is NOT dead.
>
> But please enlighten me, whats going on?
> Knorp Thonka schrieb am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2023 um 22:09:29 UTC+2:
> > Isn't it weird how you are getting notifications and NOT following
> > John's former account? Dude, you should write a book with all these
> > weird anomalies from your fantasy. Do you really think that anyone
> > would spend that much time and money to give John such a high-tech
> > sarcophagus with internet connection?
> > As for further proof that John is dead, go check your latest
> > notification of his newest article ;).

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 by: Mild Shock - Tue, 30 May 2023 23:19 UTC

Maybe he didn't die on 25th May, 2023, and he only died on
24.999...th May, 2023. These could be interesting details for the
chronicles of USENET. John Gabriel was very pedantic in these matters.

Mild Shock schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 00:48:56 UTC+2:
> Maybe upload a death certificate or something. So
> that the festivities of mourning Johns death can
> begin! You can post the link here on sci.math.
> Mild Shock schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 00:43:48 UTC+2:
> > You don't understand sarcasm, right?
> >
> > Anyway I cannot check notifications anymore, since I have unsubscribed
> > to the Academia notifications. You can voluntarily subscribe and unsubscribe.
> > What does it say? Is there a new notification that says John is dead?
> >
> > I rather took the notifications as proof that John is NOT dead.
> >
> > But please enlighten me, whats going on?
> > Knorp Thonka schrieb am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2023 um 22:09:29 UTC+2:
> > > Isn't it weird how you are getting notifications and NOT following
> > > John's former account? Dude, you should write a book with all these
> > > weird anomalies from your fantasy. Do you really think that anyone
> > > would spend that much time and money to give John such a high-tech
> > > sarcophagus with internet connection?
> > > As for further proof that John is dead, go check your latest
> > > notification of his newest article ;).

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 by: Chris M. Thomasson - Tue, 30 May 2023 23:46 UTC

On 5/30/2023 4:19 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
>
> Maybe he didn't die on 25th May, 2023, and he only died on
> 24.999...th May, 2023. These could be interesting details for the
> chronicles of USENET. John Gabriel was very pedantic in these matters.

He might get pissed off, and start calling you names in his life here on
Earth. RIP John!

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 by: Mild Shock - Tue, 30 May 2023 23:59 UTC

John Gabriel was a unique uber-crank, I doubt this can
be turned into a merchandies, like this attempt:

Symmetry of the circle defines four basic operations of arithmetic (- + -:- x).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_KadhQKKfg

Which was uploaded post mortem, but the narrator
is a boring idiot and not John Gabriel. This will not work!

Chris M. Thomasson schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 01:46:52 UTC+2:
> On 5/30/2023 4:19 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
> >
> > Maybe he didn't die on 25th May, 2023, and he only died on
> > 24.999...th May, 2023. These could be interesting details for the
> > chronicles of USENET. John Gabriel was very pedantic in these matters.
> He might get pissed off, and start calling you names in his life here on
> Earth. RIP John!


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