On 2024-02-26 19:59, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 12:58:
>
>> On 2024-02-25 13:40, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R., 2024-02-18 21:01:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-18 20:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>> The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
>>> [...]
>>>>>> Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
>>>>>> first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding
>>>>> was the original intended way.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> It is intentionally disabled to impede accidental tapping, like with
>>>> phone under the pillow or the pocket.
>>>
>>> Capacitive touchscreens can not be "tapped" under a pillow or inside a
>>> pocket since they need physical contact with a finger, so the
>>> capacitance of the sensor grid in the screen will change.
>>
>> LOL.
>
> No, physics.
>
>> My "smart watch" touch screen is often been activated accidentally.
>>
>> For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
>> shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and
>> managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
>> phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.
>
> And what exactly has a humid shirt touching the unprotected touch screen
> on your smart watch which you wear on your wrist to do with a smartphone
> "under a pillow" or "in a pocket"?

That it also reacts to accidental touches and does things.

I have more than once stopped the alarm clock when I wanted to snooze,
by accident when trying to get hold of the phone.

>
> The important thing is *capacitance* which has to change instead of
> *pressure*. Of course a humid shirt can do this. But I doubt that this
> is possible just mechanically in a dry pocket.
>
> [...]
>> So no, accidental tapping of a touch screen is a thing that happens
>> easily. Specially when one is half sleep trying to find the phone with
>> eyes half closed.
>
> Yes, but not *in* a pocket or *under* a pillow, where the touch screen
> is physically not reachable since a capacitive touch screen does not
> respond to mechanical pressure.

But responds to the palm touching it, the face touching it. It may react
to some pillows that are a bit conductive, or wet because of sweat.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Andy talked about answering a call, the rest of the thread is
> mostly about turning off an alarm, i.e. different things with
> possibly/likely different behaviour.

Both are examples of actions that may require a swipe, rather than a
press, that's all ...

On 26 Feb 2024 at 12:06:33, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-02-26 08:26, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>
>>>    Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a
>>> Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is
>>> no such thing as 'standard Android'.
>>
>> I've always bought Nexus/Pixel phones (I inherit a Samsung, which I gave
>> away) I will always regard Google phones as "stock", anyone who buys a
>> modified one, it's up to _them_ to cope with the differences ...
>
> It is impossible to buy a google phone, they are way too expensive.

I've only owned Nexus and Pixel phones for many years.
As for expense, I recently bought a Pixel 4 from eBay for �94.
It is in "as-new" condition.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> > Andy talked about answering a call, the rest of the thread is
> > mostly about turning off an alarm, i.e. different things with
> > possibly/likely different behaviour.
>
> Both are examples of actions that may require a swipe, rather than a
> press, that's all ...

Yes, I got that. :-) I just wanted Arno to note that different types
of actions might have different behaviours. As you say, those actions
*may* require a swipe, or they don't.

On 2024-02-27 07:32, Bob Martin wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2024 at 12:06:33, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-26 08:26, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>
>>>>    Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a
>>>> Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is
>>>> no such thing as 'standard Android'.
>>>
>>> I've always bought Nexus/Pixel phones (I inherit a Samsung, which I gave
>>> away) I will always regard Google phones as "stock", anyone who buys a
>>> modified one, it's up to _them_ to cope with the differences ...
>>
>> It is impossible to buy a google phone, they are way too expensive.
>
> I've only owned Nexus and Pixel phones for many years.
> As for expense, I recently bought a Pixel 4 from eBay for �94.
> It is in "as-new" condition.

When I looked at them, some years ago, they started at 600€. I refuse to
carry everywhere a 600€ gadget. I have dropped it to the floor more than
once from a pocket (shirt or jacket). Once it almost fell to the loo.
Once I went into the sea for a swim and destroyed the phone (I had
forgotten it was in my pocket). Then pickpockets abound.

Thus my current brand of choice is Motorola, and I hate to change.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> I refuse to carry everywhere a 600€ gadget. I have dropped it to the
> floor more than once from a pocket (shirt or jacket). Once it almost
> fell to the loo. Once I went into the sea for a swim and destroyed
> the phone (I had forgotten it was in my pocket). Then pickpockets
> abound.
I've owned Nexus/Pixel phones since 2010, the only one that I managed to
kill was a Nexus5 in the washing machine!

On 26.02.24 12:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-02-25 13:40, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Carlos E.R., 2024-02-18 21:01:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-18 20:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
>> [...]
>>>>> Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
>>>>> first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(
>>>>
>>>> At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding
>>>> was the original intended way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> It is intentionally disabled to impede accidental tapping, like with
>>> phone under the pillow or the pocket.
>>
>> Capacitive touchscreens can not be "tapped" under a pillow or inside a
>> pocket since they need physical contact with a finger, so the
>> capacitance of the sensor grid in the screen will change.
>
> LOL.
>
> My "smart watch" touch screen is often been activated accidentally.
>
> For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
> shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and
> managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
> phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.
>
> I had to do this many times over the two or three years I own this watch.

Buy an Apple watch.

--
"Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

On 26.02.24 22:44, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-02-26 19:59, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 12:58:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-25 13:40, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R., 2024-02-18 21:01:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-18 20:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>>> The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
>>>>>>> first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding
>>>>>> was the original intended way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is intentionally disabled to impede accidental tapping, like with
>>>>> phone under the pillow or the pocket.
>>>>
>>>> Capacitive touchscreens can not be "tapped" under a pillow or inside a
>>>> pocket since they need physical contact with a finger, so the
>>>> capacitance of the sensor grid in the screen will change.
>>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> No, physics.
>>
>>> My "smart watch" touch screen is often been activated accidentally.
>>>
>>> For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
>>> shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and
>>> managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
>>> phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.
>>
>> And what exactly has a humid shirt touching the unprotected touch screen
>> on your smart watch which you wear on your wrist to do with a smartphone
>> "under a pillow" or "in a pocket"?
>
> That it also reacts to accidental touches and does things.

Buy an Apple Watch!

--
"Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 22:44:

> On 2024-02-26 19:59, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 12:58:
[...]
>>> For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
>>> shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and
>>> managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
>>> phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.
>>
>> And what exactly has a humid shirt touching the unprotected touch screen
>> on your smart watch which you wear on your wrist to do with a smartphone
>> "under a pillow" or "in a pocket"?
>
> That it also reacts to accidental touches and does things.

When I have my phone in my bag, it won't react to anything at all since
there are no things which change the screen capacity.

> I have more than once stopped the alarm clock when I wanted to snooze,
> by accident when trying to get hold of the phone.

"trying to get hold of the phone" also has nothing to do with "under a
pillow" or "in a pocket".

Anyway - I understand why "swipe" may be useful to avoid accential
actions. However not all smartphones require this to disable alarms and
personally I never did an accidental phone call in my life nor any
accidental disabling of alarms etc. - but from time to time I see people
*not* locking their phones before they put them back to their pockets
and I believe this is often also the cause of unintentional actions.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de