On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 2:18:06 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:00:02 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:51:31 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > > > :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> > > >
> > > > Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> > > >
> > > > Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> > > >
> > > > Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > > > it to display what you want it to show?
> > > >
> > > > How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > > > shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> > > >
> > > > Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> > > >
> > > > Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > > > just give up?
> > > >
> > > > But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > > > nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > > > starting to improve!
> > > >
> > > I was particularly amused the time he couldn't figure out why his chain was skipping until Andrew told him to lube it. Then of course all the stories we repeatedly hear about how someone sent him the wrong parts.
> >
> > I am particularly amused with your invention of absolutely anything.
> I've never claimed to have invented anything, though I do have my name on a few patents as part of design teams over the years.
> > Yes, I did buy an 820 off of Ebay and received an 810. I didn't know the difference and it operated just fine and it was dirt cheap. So am I supposed to care? Oh wait, YOU think that I'm supposed to care.
> I know I would care that I paid for a newer product as was sent an older one (and yes tommy, that's the reason they changed to model number, the 820 is newer than the 810). Besides, you complained many times over the years that you were sent something wrong. In reality you bought the wrong part, and claimed it was the sellers fault - idiot.
> >
> > I know more about chain lubing and wear on gears than you will ever know in your entire life
> not likely. We've heard constant tales of your mechanical mishaps - idiot..
> > because you plainly are rather low IQ
> Sure, mr. "light lines" - idiot
> > so don't pretend that I don't know how to lube my chain
> I didn't write that. Chalk another one up for tommy's lack of reading comprehension - idiot
> > when chain skipping on the Campy 10 speeds is a common problem until Campy started building special non-stretch cables.
> haha...right, Campy had to build "special non-stretch cables", let me guess, that was after you called Tullio Campagnolo and told him to redesign it, right? Wow...this one's getting it's own thread - idiot
> > Don't you think you should show another photo that shows you in second place to impress everyone when the truth is that you came in lantern rouge?
> I already showed my strava result for that race. Besides, no shame in DFL: https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1499/lanterne-rouge-at-the-tour-de-france -idiot.
>
> shut the fuck up tommy

I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable. Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer, you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:29:06 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 2:18:06 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:00:02 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:51:31 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > > > > :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > > > > it to display what you want it to show?
> > > > >
> > > > > How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > > > > shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > > > > just give up?
> > > > >
> > > > > But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > > > > nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > > > > starting to improve!
> > > > >
> > > > I was particularly amused the time he couldn't figure out why his chain was skipping until Andrew told him to lube it. Then of course all the stories we repeatedly hear about how someone sent him the wrong parts.
> > >
> > > I am particularly amused with your invention of absolutely anything.
> > I've never claimed to have invented anything, though I do have my name on a few patents as part of design teams over the years.
> > > Yes, I did buy an 820 off of Ebay and received an 810. I didn't know the difference and it operated just fine and it was dirt cheap. So am I supposed to care? Oh wait, YOU think that I'm supposed to care.
> > I know I would care that I paid for a newer product as was sent an older one (and yes tommy, that's the reason they changed to model number, the 820 is newer than the 810). Besides, you complained many times over the years that you were sent something wrong. In reality you bought the wrong part, and claimed it was the sellers fault - idiot.
> > >
> > > I know more about chain lubing and wear on gears than you will ever know in your entire life
> > not likely. We've heard constant tales of your mechanical mishaps - idiot.
> > > because you plainly are rather low IQ
> > Sure, mr. "light lines" - idiot
> > > so don't pretend that I don't know how to lube my chain
> > I didn't write that. Chalk another one up for tommy's lack of reading comprehension - idiot
> > > when chain skipping on the Campy 10 speeds is a common problem until Campy started building special non-stretch cables.
> > haha...right, Campy had to build "special non-stretch cables", let me guess, that was after you called Tullio Campagnolo and told him to redesign it, right? Wow...this one's getting it's own thread - idiot
> > > Don't you think you should show another photo that shows you in second place to impress everyone when the truth is that you came in lantern rouge?
> > I already showed my strava result for that race. Besides, no shame in DFL: https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1499/lanterne-rouge-at-the-tour-de-france -idiot.
> >
> > shut the fuck up tommy
> I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable.

Finishing the tour is honorable, even in last place.

> Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer

young? no.
Vital - my Dr seems to think so.
Racer? yes.

2 out of three sparky - 66%....hey wasn't that you GPA when you dropped out of high school.

> you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.

you aren't worth the plane fare.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> >> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> >>
> >> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> >>
> >> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> >>
> >> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> >> it to display what you want it to show?
> >>
> >> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> >> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> >>
> >> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> >>
> >> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> >> just give up?
> >>
> >> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> >> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> >> starting to improve!
> >
> > Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
>
> I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
> much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
> one hundredth the mistakes you do.
>
> > You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
>
> Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
> he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
> justified.

\My memory isn't faulty, you think that anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk and you wouldn't admit ever using it even if it was the only thing available. You have continuously made that crystal clear to everyone here. So make any claims you like but it isn't fooling anyone.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:16:17 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:29:06 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 2:18:06 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:00:02 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:51:31 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > > On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > > > > > :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > > > > > it to display what you want it to show?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > > > > > shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > > > > > just give up?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > > > > > nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > > > > > starting to improve!
> > > > > >
> > > > > I was particularly amused the time he couldn't figure out why his chain was skipping until Andrew told him to lube it. Then of course all the stories we repeatedly hear about how someone sent him the wrong parts.
> > > >
> > > > I am particularly amused with your invention of absolutely anything..
> > > I've never claimed to have invented anything, though I do have my name on a few patents as part of design teams over the years.
> > > > Yes, I did buy an 820 off of Ebay and received an 810. I didn't know the difference and it operated just fine and it was dirt cheap. So am I supposed to care? Oh wait, YOU think that I'm supposed to care.
> > > I know I would care that I paid for a newer product as was sent an older one (and yes tommy, that's the reason they changed to model number, the 820 is newer than the 810). Besides, you complained many times over the years that you were sent something wrong. In reality you bought the wrong part, and claimed it was the sellers fault - idiot.
> > > >
> > > > I know more about chain lubing and wear on gears than you will ever know in your entire life
> > > not likely. We've heard constant tales of your mechanical mishaps - idiot.
> > > > because you plainly are rather low IQ
> > > Sure, mr. "light lines" - idiot
> > > > so don't pretend that I don't know how to lube my chain
> > > I didn't write that. Chalk another one up for tommy's lack of reading comprehension - idiot
> > > > when chain skipping on the Campy 10 speeds is a common problem until Campy started building special non-stretch cables.
> > > haha...right, Campy had to build "special non-stretch cables", let me guess, that was after you called Tullio Campagnolo and told him to redesign it, right? Wow...this one's getting it's own thread - idiot
> > > > Don't you think you should show another photo that shows you in second place to impress everyone when the truth is that you came in lantern rouge?
> > > I already showed my strava result for that race. Besides, no shame in DFL: https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1499/lanterne-rouge-at-the-tour-de-france -idiot.
> > >
> > > shut the fuck up tommy
> > I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable.
> Finishing the tour is honorable, even in last place.
> > Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer
> young? no.
> Vital - my Dr seems to think so.
> Racer? yes.
>
> 2 out of three sparky - 66%....hey wasn't that you GPA when you dropped out of high school.
> > you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.
> you aren't worth the plane fare.
Perhaps you'd like to comment on my GPA compared to yours and also compare my accomplishments and my income? You are what, a test engineer? Or less - a manager of test engineers?

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 12:26:24 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:16:17 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:29:06 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 2:18:06 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:00:02 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:51:31 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > > > > > > :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > > > > > > it to display what you want it to show?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > > > > > > shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > > > > > > just give up?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > > > > > > nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > > > > > > starting to improve!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I was particularly amused the time he couldn't figure out why his chain was skipping until Andrew told him to lube it. Then of course all the stories we repeatedly hear about how someone sent him the wrong parts.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am particularly amused with your invention of absolutely anything.
> > > > I've never claimed to have invented anything, though I do have my name on a few patents as part of design teams over the years.
> > > > > Yes, I did buy an 820 off of Ebay and received an 810. I didn't know the difference and it operated just fine and it was dirt cheap. So am I supposed to care? Oh wait, YOU think that I'm supposed to care.
> > > > I know I would care that I paid for a newer product as was sent an older one (and yes tommy, that's the reason they changed to model number, the 820 is newer than the 810). Besides, you complained many times over the years that you were sent something wrong. In reality you bought the wrong part, and claimed it was the sellers fault - idiot.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know more about chain lubing and wear on gears than you will ever know in your entire life
> > > > not likely. We've heard constant tales of your mechanical mishaps - idiot.
> > > > > because you plainly are rather low IQ
> > > > Sure, mr. "light lines" - idiot
> > > > > so don't pretend that I don't know how to lube my chain
> > > > I didn't write that. Chalk another one up for tommy's lack of reading comprehension - idiot
> > > > > when chain skipping on the Campy 10 speeds is a common problem until Campy started building special non-stretch cables.
> > > > haha...right, Campy had to build "special non-stretch cables", let me guess, that was after you called Tullio Campagnolo and told him to redesign it, right? Wow...this one's getting it's own thread - idiot
> > > > > Don't you think you should show another photo that shows you in second place to impress everyone when the truth is that you came in lantern rouge?
> > > > I already showed my strava result for that race. Besides, no shame in DFL: https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1499/lanterne-rouge-at-the-tour-de-france -idiot.
> > > >
> > > > shut the fuck up tommy
> > > I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable.
> > Finishing the tour is honorable, even in last place.
> > > Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer
> > young? no.
> > Vital - my Dr seems to think so.
> > Racer? yes.
> >
> > 2 out of three sparky - 66%....hey wasn't that you GPA when you dropped out of high school.
> > > you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.
> > you aren't worth the plane fare.
> Perhaps you'd like to comment on my GPA compared to yours
Sure, Considering you never went to college, all we can compare is high school. I had enough credits to graduate when I was a junior, and graduated with GPA of 3.85 IIRC. You didn't even know how many credits you had, and were doing so poorly you thought you would flunk out, so you dropped out.

> and also compare my accomplishments and my income?
Sure, I'm living very comfortably in a large home in a safe neighborhood, putting away 10% of my salary into my investment funds with every paycheck. You're living on social security in a hellhole with gunfights, rampant crimes, and illegal immigrants. And no, no one here beleives you make 12K a month on your investments, or you wouldn't be living on social security in a hellhole with gunfights, rampant crimes, and illegal immigrants.

> You are what, a test engineer?

I've done that, still do some of that, not my title now.

> Or less - a manager of test engineers?

Right, so a test engineering manager makes less than a test engineer. No wonder you dropped out of high school

shut the fuck up.

On 2/3/2022 12:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> \My memory isn't faulty ...

HA HA HA HA! :-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:24:05 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > >> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> > >>
> > >> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> > >>
> > >> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> > >>
> > >> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > >> it to display what you want it to show?
> > >>
> > >> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > >> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> > >>
> > >> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> > >>
> > >> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > >> just give up?
> > >>
> > >> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > >> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > >> starting to improve!
> > >
> > > Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
> >
> > I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
> > much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
> > one hundredth the mistakes you do.
> >
> > > You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
> >
> > Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
> > he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
> > justified.
> \My memory isn't faulty, you think that anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk and you wouldn't admit ever using it even if it was the only thing available. You have continuously made that crystal clear to everyone here.. So make any claims you like but it isn't fooling anyone.

Anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk? I would definitely disagree with that assertion. Assuming of course that Frank made such an assertion. Which he did not. Tommy made that up. The late Nuovo Record was introduced in 1967. And that was followed by Super Record in 1973. That was used by Campy up into the 1980s at least. Classic. Even if it didn't work all that well and was surpassed by superior Japanese components from Shimano and Suntour. But at least it was better than the French stuff. And then of course came the most beautiful Campagnolo or any bike components ever made on earth. Campagnolo C Record. Early mid 1980s. I see on eBay that this old Campagnolo stuff is selling for crazy prices. I love C Record for its looks, but don't know if I am that crazy to pay many thousands of dollars for it.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 10:29:06 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable. Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer, you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.

Tommy, the French add an extra "e" on the end of Lantern. It makes it more sophisticated that way. I've been in three official bike races in my life.. 15 or so years ago. One criterium and two road race. I placed third in the criterium. Got a trophy. On one of the road races it was two or three laps I believe. Each lap about 15 or so miles I believe. Long ago so I have forgotten the details. The group dropped me on the first or second lap. Again, can't remember the details. But the group rode away from me. So when I finished the lap, I stopped and dropped out. I did not finish the race. No regrets or remorse on my part. I was not fast enough over that kind of terrain and length. There were hills on the route. Unlike the criterium where I got THIRD PLACE, with a trophy. It was perfectly flat and short. Maybe 10 miles at most. So my abilities allowed me to compete. The other road race was about 25 miles long or so. I think. On the last big hill before the finish, still three miles away, I made a break for it. And I think was first to the top. But a few others were in a chase group and caught me after the crest. We formed a paceline for a little bit. Then two guys took off and left the rest of us. I tried to catch them and chased them but I did not get into their draft stream so got dropped. And then the big chase group caught me about 100 yards before the finish line and passed me. So I could not even hold off for the final 100 yards for third place. I was 20th place or something. In hindsight on that day I should have tried harder and dug deeper to get into the slip stream. Then maybe I could have held onto third place. Mistakes and regrets on that race.

On 2/3/2022 4:24 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:24:05 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
>>>>> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
>>>>> it to display what you want it to show?
>>>>>
>>>>> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
>>>>> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
>>>>> just give up?
>>>>>
>>>>> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
>>>>> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
>>>>> starting to improve!
>>>>
>>>> Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
>>>
>>> I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
>>> much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
>>> one hundredth the mistakes you do.
>>>
>>>> You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
>>>
>>> Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
>>> he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
>>> justified.
>> \My memory isn't faulty, you think that anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk and you wouldn't admit ever using it even if it was the only thing available. You have continuously made that crystal clear to everyone here. So make any claims you like but it isn't fooling anyone.
>
>
> Anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk? I would definitely disagree with that assertion. Assuming of course that Frank made such an assertion. Which he did not. Tommy made that up. The late Nuovo Record was introduced in 1967. And that was followed by Super Record in 1973. That was used by Campy up into the 1980s at least. Classic. Even if it didn't work all that well and was surpassed by superior Japanese components from Shimano and Suntour. But at least it was better than the French stuff. And then of course came the most beautiful Campagnolo or any bike components ever made on earth. Campagnolo C Record. Early mid 1980s. I see on eBay that this old Campagnolo stuff is selling for crazy prices. I love C Record for its looks, but don't know if I am that crazy to pay many thousands of dollars for it.

Tom never commented on this guy.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/hes-done-82-year-old-cyclist-overwhelmed-hits-1million-miles-442080

Russ Mantle can probably outride Tom by miles. And look at that
beautiful equipment!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 12:26:24 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:16:17 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:29:06 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 2:18:06 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:00:02 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:51:31 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > > > > > > > :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > > > > > > > it to display what you want it to show?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > > > > > > > shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > > > > > > > just give up?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > > > > > > > nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > > > > > > > starting to improve!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was particularly amused the time he couldn't figure out why his chain was skipping until Andrew told him to lube it. Then of course all the stories we repeatedly hear about how someone sent him the wrong parts..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am particularly amused with your invention of absolutely anything.
> > > > > I've never claimed to have invented anything, though I do have my name on a few patents as part of design teams over the years.
> > > > > > Yes, I did buy an 820 off of Ebay and received an 810. I didn't know the difference and it operated just fine and it was dirt cheap. So am I supposed to care? Oh wait, YOU think that I'm supposed to care.
> > > > > I know I would care that I paid for a newer product as was sent an older one (and yes tommy, that's the reason they changed to model number, the 820 is newer than the 810). Besides, you complained many times over the years that you were sent something wrong. In reality you bought the wrong part, and claimed it was the sellers fault - idiot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know more about chain lubing and wear on gears than you will ever know in your entire life
> > > > > not likely. We've heard constant tales of your mechanical mishaps - idiot.
> > > > > > because you plainly are rather low IQ
> > > > > Sure, mr. "light lines" - idiot
> > > > > > so don't pretend that I don't know how to lube my chain
> > > > > I didn't write that. Chalk another one up for tommy's lack of reading comprehension - idiot
> > > > > > when chain skipping on the Campy 10 speeds is a common problem until Campy started building special non-stretch cables.
> > > > > haha...right, Campy had to build "special non-stretch cables", let me guess, that was after you called Tullio Campagnolo and told him to redesign it, right? Wow...this one's getting it's own thread - idiot
> > > > > > Don't you think you should show another photo that shows you in second place to impress everyone when the truth is that you came in lantern rouge?
> > > > > I already showed my strava result for that race. Besides, no shame in DFL: https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1499/lanterne-rouge-at-the-tour-de-france -idiot.
> > > > >
> > > > > shut the fuck up tommy
> > > > I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable.
> > > Finishing the tour is honorable, even in last place.
> > > > Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer
> > > young? no.
> > > Vital - my Dr seems to think so.
> > > Racer? yes.
> > >
> > > 2 out of three sparky - 66%....hey wasn't that you GPA when you dropped out of high school.
> > > > you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up.. I'm waiting fearfully.
> > > you aren't worth the plane fare.
> > Perhaps you'd like to comment on my GPA compared to yours
> Sure, Considering you never went to college, all we can compare is high school. I had enough credits to graduate when I was a junior, and graduated with GPA of 3.85 IIRC. You didn't even know how many credits you had, and were doing so poorly you thought you would flunk out, so you dropped out.
> > and also compare my accomplishments and my income?
> Sure, I'm living very comfortably in a large home in a safe neighborhood, putting away 10% of my salary into my investment funds with every paycheck.. You're living on social security in a hellhole with gunfights, rampant crimes, and illegal immigrants. And no, no one here beleives you make 12K a month on your investments, or you wouldn't be living on social security in a hellhole with gunfights, rampant crimes, and illegal immigrants.
> > You are what, a test engineer?
> I've done that, still do some of that, not my title now.
> > Or less - a manager of test engineers?
> Right, so a test engineering manager makes less than a test engineer. No wonder you dropped out of high school
>
> shut the fuck up.
Here I am posting all I wish to. I'm still waiting for you to do something about it you sniveling little coward.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 1:24:26 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:24:05 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > >> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > > >> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> > > >>
> > > >> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> > > >>
> > > >> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > > >> it to display what you want it to show?
> > > >>
> > > >> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > > >> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> > > >>
> > > >> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> > > >>
> > > >> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > > >> just give up?
> > > >>
> > > >> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > > >> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > > >> starting to improve!
> > > >
> > > > Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
> > >
> > > I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
> > > much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
> > > one hundredth the mistakes you do.
> > >
> > > > You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
> > >
> > > Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
> > > he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
> > > justified.
> > \My memory isn't faulty, you think that anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk and you wouldn't admit ever using it even if it was the only thing available. You have continuously made that crystal clear to everyone here. So make any claims you like but it isn't fooling anyone.
> Anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk? I would definitely disagree with that assertion. Assuming of course that Frank made such an assertion. Which he did not. Tommy made that up. The late Nuovo Record was introduced in 1967. And that was followed by Super Record in 1973. That was used by Campy up into the 1980s at least. Classic. Even if it didn't work all that well and was surpassed by superior Japanese components from Shimano and Suntour. But at least it was better than the French stuff. And then of course came the most beautiful Campagnolo or any bike components ever made on earth. Campagnolo C Record. Early mid 1980s. I see on eBay that this old Campagnolo stuff is selling for crazy prices. I love C Record for its looks, but don't know if I am that crazy to pay many thousands of dollars for it.

Don't talk to me about this - remember, I have new bikes and new groups. It is your pal Frank Kragowski who thinks that it isn't a bike unless you can install fenders and carry a handlebar bag on it. That unless it has downtube shifters it is a failure waiting to happen. That anything other than steel is worthless and not worth the money and if you'd buy it you're obviously mentally ill.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 1:39:37 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 10:29:06 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable. Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer, you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.
> Tommy, the French add an extra "e" on the end of Lantern. It makes it more sophisticated that way. I've been in three official bike races in my life.. 15 or so years ago. One criterium and two road race. I placed third in the criterium. Got a trophy. On one of the road races it was two or three laps I believe. Each lap about 15 or so miles I believe. Long ago so I have forgotten the details. The group dropped me on the first or second lap. Again, can't remember the details. But the group rode away from me. So when I finished the lap, I stopped and dropped out. I did not finish the race. No regrets or remorse on my part. I was not fast enough over that kind of terrain and length. There were hills on the route. Unlike the criterium where I got THIRD PLACE, with a trophy. It was perfectly flat and short. Maybe 10 miles at most. So my abilities allowed me to compete. The other road race was about 25 miles long or so. I think. On the last big hill before the finish, still three miles away, I made a break for it. And I think was first to the top. But a few others were in a chase group and caught me after the crest. We formed a paceline for a little bit. Then two guys took off and left the rest of us. I tried to catch them and chased them but I did not get into their draft stream so got dropped. And then the big chase group caught me about 100 yards before the finish line and passed me. So I could not even hold off for the final 100 yards for third place. I was 20th place or something. In hindsight on that day I should have tried harder and dug deeper to get into the slip stream. Then maybe I could have held onto third place. Mistakes and regrets on that race.

Why are you making fun of French spelling? And don't you know what the English translation of lanterne is? Or perhaps you don't know that Rouge is also English for Red? https://www.color-hex.com/color-palette/18688

If you raced more power to you. So why argue that sprinters don't have almost identical top speeds. The difference between a pro and a Cat 1 isn't speed but that the Pro can spring at that speed after 120 miles and three climbs and they can hold that sprint longer.

Comparing my sprint to some pro is silly and meant nothing and anyone that ever used a power meter would know it. The sprints I made just a couple of years ago sounded almost as fast as a pro but that small difference in speed was a 40% difference in power. I used to commonly beat all of the traffic across an intersection. So I had a good sprint forever. What I didn't have was good climbing when there was a lot of climbing involved. So that is what I worked on and that comes at the expense of a sprint.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 1:45:42 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/3/2022 4:24 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:24:05 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> >>>>> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> >>>>> it to display what you want it to show?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> >>>>> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> >>>>> just give up?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> >>>>> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> >>>>> starting to improve!
> >>>>
> >>>> Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
> >>>
> >>> I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
> >>> much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
> >>> one hundredth the mistakes you do.
> >>>
> >>>> You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
> >>>
> >>> Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
> >>> he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
> >>> justified.
> >> \My memory isn't faulty, you think that anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk and you wouldn't admit ever using it even if it was the only thing available. You have continuously made that crystal clear to everyone here. So make any claims you like but it isn't fooling anyone.
> >
> >
> > Anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk? I would definitely disagree with that assertion. Assuming of course that Frank made such an assertion. Which he did not. Tommy made that up. The late Nuovo Record was introduced in 1967. And that was followed by Super Record in 1973. That was used by Campy up into the 1980s at least. Classic. Even if it didn't work all that well and was surpassed by superior Japanese components from Shimano and Suntour. But at least it was better than the French stuff. And then of course came the most beautiful Campagnolo or any bike components ever made on earth.. Campagnolo C Record. Early mid 1980s. I see on eBay that this old Campagnolo stuff is selling for crazy prices. I love C Record for its looks, but don't know if I am that crazy to pay many thousands of dollars for it.
> Tom never commented on this guy.
> https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/hes-done-82-year-old-cyclist-overwhelmed-hits-1million-miles-442080
>
> Russ Mantle can probably outride Tom by miles. And look at that
> beautiful equipment!

You just showed everything I said that you're like. Congratulations. You think that someone on a heavy steel bike with downtube shifters can ride faster than I can. Obviously he is a great rider but you have the sick impression that he is a pro racer when he is a respectable touring type rider. You, flunky, john and a couple more have damaged this group probably beyond repair. Just in 2010 before I was injured and didn't post for several years this group had literally hundreds of posters. When I came to and started riding again and looked at the group they were almost entirely gone. This is the group that you like. One in which you can pretend to know something without people like Tim McTeague,. Peter Chrisholm, Bob Hubert, Dan Connelly, Mike Jacoubowsky, Mike Krueger and others are all gone now. Ridesalot is undoubtedly Stella Hackell who used to get her feelings hurt at the slightest perceived criticism even when none were intended but even when they were undetectable.

On 2/3/2022 4:18 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 1:39:37 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 10:29:06 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable. Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer, you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.
>> Tommy, the French add an extra "e" on the end of Lantern. It makes it more sophisticated that way. I've been in three official bike races in my life. 15 or so years ago. One criterium and two road race. I placed third in the criterium. Got a trophy. On one of the road races it was two or three laps I believe. Each lap about 15 or so miles I believe. Long ago so I have forgotten the details. The group dropped me on the first or second lap. Again, can't remember the details. But the group rode away from me. So when I finished the lap, I stopped and dropped out. I did not finish the race. No regrets or remorse on my part. I was not fast enough over that kind of terrain and length. There were hills on the route. Unlike the criterium where I got THIRD PLACE, with a trophy. It was perfectly flat and short. Maybe 10 miles at most. So my abilities allowed me to compete. The other road race was about 25 miles long or so. I think. On the last big hill before the finish, still three miles a
way, I made a break for it. And I think was first to the top. But a few others were in a chase group and caught me after the crest. We formed a paceline for a little bit. Then two guys took off and left the rest of us. I tried to catch them and chased them but I did not get into their draft stream so got dropped. And then the big chase group caught me about 100 yards before the finish line and passed me. So I could not even hold off for the final 100 yards for third place. I was 20th place or something. In hindsight on that day I should have tried harder and dug deeper to get into the slip stream. Then maybe I could have held onto third place. Mistakes and regrets on that race.
>
> Why are you making fun of French spelling? And don't you know what the English translation of lanterne is? Or perhaps you don't know that Rouge is also English for Red? https://www.color-hex.com/color-palette/18688
>
> If you raced more power to you. So why argue that sprinters don't have almost identical top speeds. The difference between a pro and a Cat 1 isn't speed but that the Pro can spring at that speed after 120 miles and three climbs and they can hold that sprint longer.
>
> Comparing my sprint to some pro is silly and meant nothing and anyone that ever used a power meter would know it. The sprints I made just a couple of years ago sounded almost as fast as a pro but that small difference in speed was a 40% difference in power. I used to commonly beat all of the traffic across an intersection. So I had a good sprint forever. What I didn't have was good climbing when there was a lot of climbing involved. So that is what I worked on and that comes at the expense of a sprint.
>

As Russel notes, pedantically, the correct spelling is
'lanterne rouge'

'Red Lantern' doesn't do it.
In English we say 'DFL'. Dead F**king Last.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/3/2022 4:39 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 10:29:06 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable. Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer, you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.
>
> Tommy, the French add an extra "e" on the end of Lantern. It makes it more sophisticated that way. I've been in three official bike races in my life. 15 or so years ago. One criterium and two road race. I placed third in the criterium. Got a trophy. On one of the road races it was two or three laps I believe. Each lap about 15 or so miles I believe. Long ago so I have forgotten the details. The group dropped me on the first or second lap. Again, can't remember the details. But the group rode away from me. So when I finished the lap, I stopped and dropped out. I did not finish the race. No regrets or remorse on my part. I was not fast enough over that kind of terrain and length. There were hills on the route. Unlike the criterium where I got THIRD PLACE, with a trophy. It was perfectly flat and short. Maybe 10 miles at most. So my abilities allowed me to compete. The other road race was about 25 miles long or so. I think. On the last big hill before the finish, still three miles away, I made a break for it. And I think was first to the top. But a few others were in a chase group and caught me after the crest. We formed a paceline for a little bit. Then two guys took off and left the rest of us. I tried to catch them and chased them but I did not get into their draft stream so got dropped. And then the big chase group caught me about 100 yards before the finish line and passed me. So I could not even hold off for the final 100 yards for third place. I was 20th place or something. In hindsight on that day I should have tried harder and dug deeper to get into the slip stream. Then maybe I could have held onto third place. Mistakes and regrets on that race.
Of course, the "slip stream" makes a huge difference. I did only a
couple road races, but the experience of a fast pack's slip stream is
pretty cool.
One of the races, in a small southern town, attracted some experienced
racers from the big city maybe 50 miles away. One of those was a racer
I'd met before who arrived so full of confidence that at the start, he
rode slowly for a bit to chat up some of the women in the ladies race
(shorter distance, but starting simultaneously with the men). He figured
to catch us small town folk after he charmed some ladies.
But right at the start the men organized into a really nice pace line.
He said he saw us pull away and took off after us, "But you guys were
moving along like a freight train!" He never made it up to the group.
Another big city guy looked absolutely fearsome, with muscular thighs
the size of tree trunks. I remember thinking "THIS guy is going to win."
But within half a mile of the start, we turned left at a gravelly
intersection. The guy with the thighs started yelling frantically
"GRAVEL! GRAVEL! GRAVEL!" and slowed way down. We heard later that he'd
recently suffered a bad crash on a gravelly turn. He, too, never caught
the rest of us.
--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/3/2022 5:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 1:45:42 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> Tom never commented on this guy.
>> https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/hes-done-82-year-old-cyclist-overwhelmed-hits-1million-miles-442080
>>
>> Russ Mantle can probably outride Tom by miles. And look at that
>> beautiful equipment!
>
> You just showed everything I said that you're like. Congratulations. You think that someone on a heavy steel bike with downtube shifters can ride faster than I can. Obviously he is a great rider but you have the sick impression that he is a pro racer...

No, Tom, I never claimed Russ Mantle is a pro racer. (Why won't your
wife help you with reading comprehension? Doesn't she like you?)

I noted your claim that because Jeff or others ride fewer miles than
you, you must be more expert.

And I said that by the same "logic" Russ Mantle must be even more expert
than you. His mileage totally eclipses yours! Decades and decades of
14,000+ miles per year!

And it seems he rides equipment you disparage. Downtube shifters! Is
that half step plus granny? Fenders!! A big saddlebag!

But then, there's no mention of Russ's handlebars slipping, his
derailleur going out of adjustment, his saddle falling off, his bottom
bracket parts not matching ...

Sounds like he does know more than you.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/3/2022 5:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 1:45:42 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>
> >> Tom never commented on this guy.
> >> https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/hes-done-82-year-old-cyclist-overwhelmed-hits-1million-miles-442080
> >>
> >> Russ Mantle can probably outride Tom by miles. And look at that
> >> beautiful equipment!
> >
> > You just showed everything I said that you're like. Congratulations. You think that someone on a heavy steel bike with downtube shifters can ride faster than I can. Obviously he is a great rider but you have the sick impression that he is a pro racer...
>
> No, Tom, I never claimed Russ Mantle is a pro racer. (Why won't your
> wife help you with reading comprehension? Doesn't she like you?)
>
> I noted your claim that because Jeff or others ride fewer miles than
> you, you must be more expert.
>
> And I said that by the same "logic" Russ Mantle must be even more expert
> than you. His mileage totally eclipses yours! Decades and decades of
> 14,000+ miles per year!
>
> And it seems he rides equipment you disparage. Downtube shifters! Is
> that half step plus granny? Fenders!! A big saddlebag!

Sounds kind of like Jobst Brandt. He used the Carradice saddlebag. Just the medium large size, not the real large size. He made that distinction in his posts. And he used downtube shifters of course. And toe clips. But not fenders.

>
> But then, there's no mention of Russ's handlebars slipping, his
> derailleur going out of adjustment, his saddle falling off, his bottom
> bracket parts not matching ...
>
> Sounds like he does know more than you.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:24:24 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:24:05 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > >> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > >>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
>> > >> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
>> > >>
>> > >> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
>> > >>
>> > >> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
>> > >>
>> > >> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
>> > >> it to display what you want it to show?
>> > >>
>> > >> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
>> > >> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
>> > >>
>> > >> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
>> > >>
>> > >> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
>> > >> just give up?
>> > >>
>> > >> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
>> > >> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
>> > >> starting to improve!
>> > >
>> > > Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
>> >
>> > I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
>> > much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
>> > one hundredth the mistakes you do.
>> >
>> > > You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
>> >
>> > Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
>> > he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
>> > justified.
>> \My memory isn't faulty, you think that anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk and you wouldn't admit ever using it even if it was the only thing available. You have continuously made that crystal clear to everyone here. So make any claims you like but it isn't fooling anyone.
>
>
>Anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk? I would definitely disagree with that assertion. Assuming of course that Frank made such an assertion. Which he did not. Tommy made that up. The late Nuovo Record was introduced in 1967. And that was followed by Super Record in 1973. That was used by Campy up into the 1980s at least. Classic. Even if it didn't work all that well and was surpassed by superior Japanese components from Shimano and Suntour. But at least it was better than the French stuff. And then of course came the most beautiful Campagnolo or any bike components ever made on earth. Campagnolo C Record. Early mid 1980s. I see on eBay that this old Campagnolo stuff is selling for crazy prices. I love C Record for its looks, but don't know if I am that crazy to pay many thousands of dollars for it.

I always thought that the Campi Delta brakes were the slickest things
ever. I did read that they were in fact a rather poor brake but who
cares, damn they were slick looking. And, of course expensive.

Years and years later I came across a bloke at a "swap meet" who had a
whole bunch of Campagnolo stuff and right there at the front of his
table was a set of Delta brakes. Hot Damn! I'm going to, finally, get
a set of Delta Brakes and I bellied right up to the table and says,
"how much for them old brakes there?" The guy sort of smiled and
quoted a price and after my heart palpitations settled down he sort of
smiled some more and commented, "Some of this older Campi stuff is
sort of dear these days".
Needless to say I never did get to have any Delta Brakes (:-(
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 17:45:23 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 14:18:49 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Why are you making fun of French spelling? And don't you know what the English translation of lanterne is? Or perhaps you don't know that Rouge is also English for Red? https://www.color-hex.com/color-palette/18688
>
>"List of English words of French origin"
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_French_origin>
>"... 45% of all English words have a French origin."

Largely, I would suggest, because there was a period in English
History when the "Gentry" spoke French (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 4:59:18 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 12:26:24 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:16:17 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:29:06 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 2:18:06 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:00:02 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:51:31 PM UTC-8, funkma....@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > > > > > > > > :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > > > > > > > > it to display what you want it to show?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > > > > > > > > shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > > > > > > > > just give up?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > > > > > > > > nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > > > > > > > > starting to improve!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was particularly amused the time he couldn't figure out why his chain was skipping until Andrew told him to lube it. Then of course all the stories we repeatedly hear about how someone sent him the wrong parts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am particularly amused with your invention of absolutely anything.
> > > > > > I've never claimed to have invented anything, though I do have my name on a few patents as part of design teams over the years.
> > > > > > > Yes, I did buy an 820 off of Ebay and received an 810. I didn't know the difference and it operated just fine and it was dirt cheap. So am I supposed to care? Oh wait, YOU think that I'm supposed to care.
> > > > > > I know I would care that I paid for a newer product as was sent an older one (and yes tommy, that's the reason they changed to model number, the 820 is newer than the 810). Besides, you complained many times over the years that you were sent something wrong. In reality you bought the wrong part, and claimed it was the sellers fault - idiot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know more about chain lubing and wear on gears than you will ever know in your entire life
> > > > > > not likely. We've heard constant tales of your mechanical mishaps - idiot.
> > > > > > > because you plainly are rather low IQ
> > > > > > Sure, mr. "light lines" - idiot
> > > > > > > so don't pretend that I don't know how to lube my chain
> > > > > > I didn't write that. Chalk another one up for tommy's lack of reading comprehension - idiot
> > > > > > > when chain skipping on the Campy 10 speeds is a common problem until Campy started building special non-stretch cables.
> > > > > > haha...right, Campy had to build "special non-stretch cables", let me guess, that was after you called Tullio Campagnolo and told him to redesign it, right? Wow...this one's getting it's own thread - idiot
> > > > > > > Don't you think you should show another photo that shows you in second place to impress everyone when the truth is that you came in lantern rouge?
> > > > > > I already showed my strava result for that race. Besides, no shame in DFL: https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1499/lanterne-rouge-at-the-tour-de-france -idiot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > shut the fuck up tommy
> > > > > I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable.
> > > > Finishing the tour is honorable, even in last place.
> > > > > Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer
> > > > young? no.
> > > > Vital - my Dr seems to think so.
> > > > Racer? yes.
> > > >
> > > > 2 out of three sparky - 66%....hey wasn't that you GPA when you dropped out of high school.
> > > > > you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.
> > > > you aren't worth the plane fare.
> > > Perhaps you'd like to comment on my GPA compared to yours
> > Sure, Considering you never went to college, all we can compare is high school. I had enough credits to graduate when I was a junior, and graduated with GPA of 3.85 IIRC. You didn't even know how many credits you had, and were doing so poorly you thought you would flunk out, so you dropped out.
> > > and also compare my accomplishments and my income?
> > Sure, I'm living very comfortably in a large home in a safe neighborhood, putting away 10% of my salary into my investment funds with every paycheck. You're living on social security in a hellhole with gunfights, rampant crimes, and illegal immigrants. And no, no one here beleives you make 12K a month on your investments, or you wouldn't be living on social security in a hellhole with gunfights, rampant crimes, and illegal immigrants.
> > > You are what, a test engineer?
> > I've done that, still do some of that, not my title now.
> > > Or less - a manager of test engineers?
> > Right, so a test engineering manager makes less than a test engineer. No wonder you dropped out of high school
> >
> > shut the fuck up.
> Here I am posting all I wish to.

Ain't free speech grand?

> I'm still waiting for you to do something about it you sniveling little coward.

I'm still waiting for you to finally go kick someones skull in like you've repeatedly threatened

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:56:41 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/3/2022 4:18 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 1:39:37 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 10:29:06 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> I see, your are so proud of downfield results that you are now saying that Lantern Rouge is honorable. Please, please shut me up. Here i am a poor little old 77 year old and you are this young and vital bicycle racer, you shouldn't have any trouble should you. So you should shut me up. I'm waiting fearfully.
> >> Tommy, the French add an extra "e" on the end of Lantern. It makes it more sophisticated that way. I've been in three official bike races in my life. 15 or so years ago. One criterium and two road race. I placed third in the criterium. Got a trophy. On one of the road races it was two or three laps I believe. Each lap about 15 or so miles I believe. Long ago so I have forgotten the details. The group dropped me on the first or second lap. Again, can't remember the details. But the group rode away from me. So when I finished the lap, I stopped and dropped out. I did not finish the race. No regrets or remorse on my part. I was not fast enough over that kind of terrain and length. There were hills on the route. Unlike the criterium where I got THIRD PLACE, with a trophy. It was perfectly flat and short. Maybe 10 miles at most. So my abilities allowed me to compete. The other road race was about 25 miles long or so. I think. On the last big hill before the finish, still three miles a
> way, I made a break for it. And I think was first to the top. But a few others were in a chase group and caught me after the crest. We formed a paceline for a little bit. Then two guys took off and left the rest of us. I tried to catch them and chased them but I did not get into their draft stream so got dropped. And then the big chase group caught me about 100 yards before the finish line and passed me. So I could not even hold off for the final 100 yards for third place. I was 20th place or something. In hindsight on that day I should have tried harder and dug deeper to get into the slip stream. Then maybe I could have held onto third place. Mistakes and regrets on that race.
> >
> > Why are you making fun of French spelling? And don't you know what the English translation of lanterne is? Or perhaps you don't know that Rouge is also English for Red? https://www.color-hex.com/color-palette/18688
> >
> > If you raced more power to you. So why argue that sprinters don't have almost identical top speeds. The difference between a pro and a Cat 1 isn't speed but that the Pro can spring at that speed after 120 miles and three climbs and they can hold that sprint longer.
> >
> > Comparing my sprint to some pro is silly and meant nothing and anyone that ever used a power meter would know it. The sprints I made just a couple of years ago sounded almost as fast as a pro but that small difference in speed was a 40% difference in power. I used to commonly beat all of the traffic across an intersection. So I had a good sprint forever. What I didn't have was good climbing when there was a lot of climbing involved. So that is what I worked on and that comes at the expense of a sprint.
> >
> As Russel notes, pedantically, the correct spelling is
> 'lanterne rouge'
>
> 'Red Lantern' doesn't do it.
> In English we say 'DFL'. Dead F**king Last.

+1
"Besides, no shame in DFL: https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1499/lanterne-rouge-at-the-tour-de-france""

On 2/3/2022 11:41 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:24:24 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:24:05 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
>>>>>> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
>>>>>> it to display what you want it to show?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
>>>>>> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
>>>>>> just give up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
>>>>>> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
>>>>>> starting to improve!
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
>>>>
>>>> I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
>>>> much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
>>>> one hundredth the mistakes you do.
>>>>
>>>>> You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
>>>> he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
>>>> justified.
>>> \My memory isn't faulty, you think that anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk and you wouldn't admit ever using it even if it was the only thing available. You have continuously made that crystal clear to everyone here. So make any claims you like but it isn't fooling anyone.
>>
>>
>> Anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk? I would definitely disagree with that assertion. Assuming of course that Frank made such an assertion. Which he did not. Tommy made that up. The late Nuovo Record was introduced in 1967. And that was followed by Super Record in 1973. That was used by Campy up into the 1980s at least. Classic. Even if it didn't work all that well and was surpassed by superior Japanese components from Shimano and Suntour. But at least it was better than the French stuff. And then of course came the most beautiful Campagnolo or any bike components ever made on earth. Campagnolo C Record. Early mid 1980s. I see on eBay that this old Campagnolo stuff is selling for crazy prices. I love C Record for its looks, but don't know if I am that crazy to pay many thousands of dollars for it.
>
> I always thought that the Campi Delta brakes were the slickest things
> ever. I did read that they were in fact a rather poor brake but who
> cares, damn they were slick looking. And, of course expensive.
>
> Years and years later I came across a bloke at a "swap meet" who had a
> whole bunch of Campagnolo stuff and right there at the front of his
> table was a set of Delta brakes. Hot Damn! I'm going to, finally, get
> a set of Delta Brakes and I bellied right up to the table and says,
> "how much for them old brakes there?" The guy sort of smiled and
> quoted a price and after my heart palpitations settled down he sort of
> smiled some more and commented, "Some of this older Campi stuff is
> sort of dear these days".
>
> Needless to say I never did get to have any Delta Brakes (:-(
>

They are of a distinct aesthetic but the leverage is all wrong.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:31 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/3/2022 11:41 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:24:24 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:24:05 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> >>>>>> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> >>>>>> it to display what you want it to show?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> >>>>>> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> >>>>>> just give up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> >>>>>> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> >>>>>> starting to improve!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
> >>>>
> >>>> I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
> >>>> much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
> >>>> one hundredth the mistakes you do.
> >>>>
> >>>>> You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
> >>>> he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
> >>>> justified.
> >>> \My memory isn't faulty, you think that anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk and you wouldn't admit ever using it even if it was the only thing available. You have continuously made that crystal clear to everyone here. So make any claims you like but it isn't fooling anyone.
> >>
> >>
> >> Anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk? I would definitely disagree with that assertion. Assuming of course that Frank made such an assertion.. Which he did not. Tommy made that up. The late Nuovo Record was introduced in 1967. And that was followed by Super Record in 1973. That was used by Campy up into the 1980s at least. Classic. Even if it didn't work all that well and was surpassed by superior Japanese components from Shimano and Suntour. But at least it was better than the French stuff. And then of course came the most beautiful Campagnolo or any bike components ever made on earth. Campagnolo C Record. Early mid 1980s. I see on eBay that this old Campagnolo stuff is selling for crazy prices. I love C Record for its looks, but don't know if I am that crazy to pay many thousands of dollars for it.
> >
> > I always thought that the Campi Delta brakes were the slickest things
> > ever. I did read that they were in fact a rather poor brake but who
> > cares, damn they were slick looking. And, of course expensive.
> >
> > Years and years later I came across a bloke at a "swap meet" who had a
> > whole bunch of Campagnolo stuff and right there at the front of his
> > table was a set of Delta brakes. Hot Damn! I'm going to, finally, get
> > a set of Delta Brakes and I bellied right up to the table and says,
> > "how much for them old brakes there?" The guy sort of smiled and
> > quoted a price and after my heart palpitations settled down he sort of
> > smiled some more and commented, "Some of this older Campi stuff is
> > sort of dear these days".
> >
> > Needless to say I never did get to have any Delta Brakes (:-(
> >
> They are of a distinct aesthetic but the leverage is all wrong.

You could adjust them so that the leverage was pretty good. The brake shoe material they were using at the time wore fairly rapidly and this would reduce the leverage and the brakes rapidly faded away. Remember that even Mavic made a set of Delta brakes as well. And didn't I see some modern version of them recently?

On 2/4/2022 9:18 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:31 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/3/2022 11:41 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:24:24 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:24:05 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
>>>>>>>> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
>>>>>>>> it to display what you want it to show?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
>>>>>>>> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
>>>>>>>> just give up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
>>>>>>>> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
>>>>>>>> starting to improve!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
>>>>>> much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
>>>>>> one hundredth the mistakes you do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
>>>>>> he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
>>>>>> justified.
>>>>> \My memory isn't faulty, you think that anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk and you wouldn't admit ever using it even if it was the only thing available. You have continuously made that crystal clear to everyone here. So make any claims you like but it isn't fooling anyone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anything newer than 1970 is worthless junk? I would definitely disagree with that assertion. Assuming of course that Frank made such an assertion. Which he did not. Tommy made that up. The late Nuovo Record was introduced in 1967. And that was followed by Super Record in 1973. That was used by Campy up into the 1980s at least. Classic. Even if it didn't work all that well and was surpassed by superior Japanese components from Shimano and Suntour. But at least it was better than the French stuff. And then of course came the most beautiful Campagnolo or any bike components ever made on earth. Campagnolo C Record. Early mid 1980s. I see on eBay that this old Campagnolo stuff is selling for crazy prices. I love C Record for its looks, but don't know if I am that crazy to pay many thousands of dollars for it.
>>>
>>> I always thought that the Campi Delta brakes were the slickest things
>>> ever. I did read that they were in fact a rather poor brake but who
>>> cares, damn they were slick looking. And, of course expensive.
>>>
>>> Years and years later I came across a bloke at a "swap meet" who had a
>>> whole bunch of Campagnolo stuff and right there at the front of his
>>> table was a set of Delta brakes. Hot Damn! I'm going to, finally, get
>>> a set of Delta Brakes and I bellied right up to the table and says,
>>> "how much for them old brakes there?" The guy sort of smiled and
>>> quoted a price and after my heart palpitations settled down he sort of
>>> smiled some more and commented, "Some of this older Campi stuff is
>>> sort of dear these days".
>>>
>>> Needless to say I never did get to have any Delta Brakes (:-(
>>>
>> They are of a distinct aesthetic but the leverage is all wrong.
>
> You could adjust them so that the leverage was pretty good. The brake shoe material they were using at the time wore fairly rapidly and this would reduce the leverage and the brakes rapidly faded away. Remember that even Mavic made a set of Delta brakes as well. And didn't I see some modern version of them recently?
>

Some of the many Delta foibles you may have forgotten over
and beyond the leverage issue:

https://www.bikehugger.com/posts/the-campagnolo-delta-brake/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:21:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> Some of the many Delta foibles you may have forgotten over
> and beyond the leverage issue:
>
> https://www.bikehugger.com/posts/the-campagnolo-delta-brake/

Great link Andrew, thanks for sharing. I laughed at this line:

"Having completely rebuilt those two Delta brake calipers, I almost have a certain fondness for those diabolical mechanical monstrosities, sort of like a Stockholm Syndrome for bicycle mechanics."

That's sort of how I felt about the Rochester Quadrajet back in my motorhead days, until I finally caved and bought a Holley double-pumper.