On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:48:37 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the original way and
> > seem > to have none of these flaws.
> >
> > The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe. Don't feed
> > your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> >
> >> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> > <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >> though I won't post
> >> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >
> > The more important question is whether the pathologist authors
> > understood or asked everything they should have.
> >
> > Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if rbt fools
> > will cry ad-hominem! when they politically correctly strain to unsee a
> > young, inexperienced, specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in
> > 2020, had big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane vaccines
> > than into getting in shape.
> > <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >
> >
> >
> > <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German University. He
> is writing under a pseudonym'
>
> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an ultra-right website
> but does not want his name to be associated with his writing.
>
> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but refuse to give
> their real names.

Rolf, the study we are talking about has so many authors you can't count them easily. Each of these authors is attempting to be scientific and while I certainly find it odd that there wasn't proper summation, I also have a very difficult time that after being vaccinated there are such a large number of tumor markers in the body. There has been very little discussion of the results of autopsies of so-called covid-19 victims and especially those that were vaccinated but what was mentioned was lungs hardened to a rock-like consistency. Reports like this should make people who have been vaccinated at least a little nervous. Why is no real information being distributed? Why wasn't there a proper summation?

The existence of DNA in the liver that generates spike proteins isn't necessarily anything to worry about. Cell lines that are not normal can be terminated by the immune system even though that study is implying that the immune system is being attacked in a manner similar to HIV by vaccines that were released with total legal releases at least here in the states. I can only hope that the government systems in France and Germany are more receptive of dangers to their own citizens than the US under the Democrats. To give you some idea of just how unpopular the Democrats have become here, the local newspaper letters-to-the-editor have been filled with anti-Biden and anti Democrat hostilities. This is certainly a sign of things to come.

Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the original way and
>>> seem to have none of these flaws.
>>
>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.  Don't feed
>> your Ivermectin stash to your cat, yet!
>>
>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
>>> though I won't post
>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
>>
>> The more important question is whether the pathologist authors
>> understood or asked everything they should have.
>>
>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if rbt fools
>> will cry ad-hominem! when they politically correctly strain to unsee a
>> young, inexperienced, specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in
>> 2020, had big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane vaccines
>> than into getting in shape.
>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
>>
>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
>
> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German University. He
> is writing under a pseudonym'
>
> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an ultra-right website
> but does not want his name to be associated with his writing.

Rolf, you really are scum because you are going along with the ruling
party line, which is: brownsmear any legitimate target as defined by the
party line. You know exactly what has happened to the careers, and to
the private lives, of critical European doctors, scientists, judges, and
journalists who made the slightest mistakes, even with their tax papers.
And you went along with your state's terrorist discrimination of the
unvaccinated, didn't you?

Achgut would be considered 1990's Republican in America, and is only
"ultra-right" by idiotic ultra-left standards that have since usurped
the mainstream. Btw, this was Zimmernym's latest piece,
<https://www.achgut.com/artikel/mrna_impfungen_der_perfekte_sturm>
I have not read it, I'm not a subscriber. But maybe you should
subscribe for you to have time to riposte with something more
intelligent than just "random bullshit."

> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but refuse to give
> their real names.

Fine, the public does not cares what or who Rolf, or Tom, or Frank, or
Sepp trusts; science is not about personal trust. Why don't you traitor
of liberty just move to China to get a headstart on having your
conformist status swiped at every corner and at maximizing your
social-credit score?

--
<https://www.francesoir.fr/opinions-tribunes/the-day-i-understood-good-german>

On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
>> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
>>
>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
>> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
>>
>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
>>> though I won't post
>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
>>
>> The more important question is whether the pathologist
>> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
>>
>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
>> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
>> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
>> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
>> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
>> vaccines than into getting in shape.
>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
>>
>
> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
>
> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
> associated with his writing.
>
> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> refuse to give their real names.

An excellent point.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> >> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
> >> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
> >>
> >> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
> >> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> >>
> >>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> >> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >>> though I won't post
> >>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >>
> >> The more important question is whether the pathologist
> >> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
> >>
> >> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
> >> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
> >> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
> >> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
> >> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
> >> vaccines than into getting in shape.
> >> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> >>
> >
> > 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> > University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
> >
> > So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> > ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
> > associated with his writing.
> >
> > I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> > refuse to give their real names.
> An excellent point.

Do you suppose that he is referring to Flunky or he is willing to trust someone that doesn't use their real names if he agrees with their politics?

Am 25.03.2022 um 17:13 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the original way and
>>>> seem to have none of these flaws.
>>>
>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.  Don't feed
>>> your Ivermectin stash to your cat, yet!
>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
>>>> though I won't post
>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
>>>
>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist authors
>>> understood or asked everything they should have.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if rbt fools
>>> will cry ad-hominem! when they politically correctly strain to unsee a
>>> young, inexperienced, specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in
>>> 2020, had big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane vaccines
>>> than into getting in shape.
>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
>>
>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German University.  He
>> is writing under a pseudonym'
>>
>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an ultra-right website
>> but does not want his name to be associated with his writing.
>
> Rolf, you really are scum because you are going along with the ruling
> party line, which is: brownsmear any legitimate target as defined by the
> party line.  You know exactly what has happened to the careers, and to
> the private lives, of critical European doctors, scientists, judges, and
> journalists who made the slightest mistakes, even with their tax papers.

You mean Prof Wiesendanger? The University of Hamburg has clearly
stated that "freedom of research" allows a physicist to publish papers
on medicine if they witsh to do so.
But a paper called "research paper" must meet scientific minimum standards.

I know perfectly well that the number of people infected by Corona in
small towns like Sinsheim or Herxheim where "critical" doctors practice
was significantly higher than in neighboring, similar towns, and the
infected and dead in those towns were not only the patients of those
"critical doctors" (in Herxheim an OAP home with lots of my brother's
patients was hit heavily due to nursing staff who were patients of that
"critical doctor").
Causing unnecessary death of patients is a typical description of
"medical malpractice", which hopefully has an impact of the future
career of a doctor.

> And you went along with your state's terrorist discrimination of the
> unvaccinated, didn't you?

The meaning of terrorism is "coercion by violence or threat of
violence". Requiring proof of vaccination or a recent PCR test is
neither violence nor threat of violence.

The worst term I could kind of follow would be "apardheit" which does
not really fit either because "apardheit" is discrimination due to
unchangeable bodily properties and the vaccination status is changeable.

>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but refuse to give
>> their real names.
>
> Fine, the public does not cares what or who Rolf, or Tom, or Frank, or
> Sepp trusts; science is not about personal trust.

Science is about "peer-review"; science is about "reproducible results".
The above piece does not constitue science but is a private
interpretation of a scientific paper.

Rolf

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 10:13:07 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.03.2022 um 17:13 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> > Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> >>> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the original way and
> >>>> seem to have none of these flaws.
> >>>
> >>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe. Don't feed
> >>> your Ivermectin stash to your cat, yet!
> >>>
> >>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> >>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >>>> though I won't post
> >>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >>>
> >>> The more important question is whether the pathologist authors
> >>> understood or asked everything they should have.
> >>>
> >>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if rbt fools
> >>> will cry ad-hominem! when they politically correctly strain to unsee a
> >>> young, inexperienced, specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in
> >>> 2020, had big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane vaccines
> >>> than into getting in shape.
> >>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> >>
> >> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German University. He
> >> is writing under a pseudonym'
> >>
> >> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an ultra-right website
> >> but does not want his name to be associated with his writing.
> >
> > Rolf, you really are scum because you are going along with the ruling
> > party line, which is: brownsmear any legitimate target as defined by the
> > party line. You know exactly what has happened to the careers, and to
> > the private lives, of critical European doctors, scientists, judges, and
> > journalists who made the slightest mistakes, even with their tax papers..
> You mean Prof Wiesendanger? The University of Hamburg has clearly
> stated that "freedom of research" allows a physicist to publish papers
> on medicine if they witsh to do so.
> But a paper called "research paper" must meet scientific minimum standards.
>
> I know perfectly well that the number of people infected by Corona in
> small towns like Sinsheim or Herxheim where "critical" doctors practice
> was significantly higher than in neighboring, similar towns, and the
> infected and dead in those towns were not only the patients of those
> "critical doctors" (in Herxheim an OAP home with lots of my brother's
> patients was hit heavily due to nursing staff who were patients of that
> "critical doctor").
> Causing unnecessary death of patients is a typical description of
> "medical malpractice", which hopefully has an impact of the future
> career of a doctor.
> > And you went along with your state's terrorist discrimination of the
> > unvaccinated, didn't you?
> The meaning of terrorism is "coercion by violence or threat of
> violence". Requiring proof of vaccination or a recent PCR test is
> neither violence nor threat of violence.
>
> The worst term I could kind of follow would be "apardheit" which does
> not really fit either because "apardheit" is discrimination due to
> unchangeable bodily properties and the vaccination status is changeable.
> >> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but refuse to give
> >> their real names.
> >
> > Fine, the public does not cares what or who Rolf, or Tom, or Frank, or
> > Sepp trusts; science is not about personal trust.
> Science is about "peer-review"; science is about "reproducible results".
> The above piece does not constitue science but is a private
> interpretation of a scientific paper.

Covid-19 very seldom does anything but shorten the lifespan of people approaching death and in very poor health. You have to be very careful since so much of this pandemic claims have been driven by Fauci who has been profiting from it. Why would you vaccinate people under 50 when these people have to be extremely sick to be bothered by covid-19 and the common yearly flu would be more dangerous to them? Especially when there are many questions about the vaccine's dangers?

On 3/25/2022 1:30 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Covid-19 very seldom does anything but shorten the lifespan of people approaching death and in very poor health. You have to be very careful since so much of this pandemic claims have been driven by Fauci who has been profiting from it. Why would you vaccinate people under 50 when these people have to be extremely sick to be bothered by covid-19 and the common yearly flu would be more dangerous to them? Especially when there are many questions about the vaccine's dangers?

So many questions? That's true only because any right wing talking head
can ask a question. Among unbiased medically trained people, there are
almost no questions. They all say to get the vaccine - as does Tom's
orange overlord!

And about the implication that COVID is mild: As mentioned, one
extremely fit cycling friend of mine (admittedly, 51 instead of "under
50") was on a ventilator for many weeks and was not expected to survive
before he almost miraculously pulled through. His recovery was so
unusual that his city newspaper had his photo and article on the front
page.

Another bike club member, also over 50, had it and was laid up at home
for over a month. A neighbor of mine (in her 30s and right wing, BTW)
said it was terrible: "It felt like being run over by a truck, on the
inside." I don't know if that was an original statement of hers or
copied from elsewhere.

Some people do get only mild sickness. But the U.S. is at almost a
million deaths from COVID, despite Tom's hardheaded denials. As almost
everyone who is not blinded by right wing propaganda knows, COVID was a
serious threat. And due largely to the unvaccinated crowd who are
volunteer petri dishes, that threat may rise again.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 3/25/2022 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
>>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
>>>> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
>>>>
>>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
>>>> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
>>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
>>>>> though I won't post
>>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
>>>>
>>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist
>>>> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
>>>> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
>>>> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
>>>> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
>>>> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
>>>> vaccines than into getting in shape.
>>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
>>> University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
>>>
>>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
>>> ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
>>> associated with his writing.
>>>
>>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
>>> refuse to give their real names.
>> An excellent point.
>
> Do you suppose that he is referring to Flunky or he is willing to trust someone that doesn't use their real names if he agrees with their politics?
>

I don't know.

People who write under a pseudonym can be right. They may do
so for good reason as Mr Ruff noted. It's one of many
criteria and not dispositive for either case.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 3/25/2022 12:13 PM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.03.2022 um 17:13 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
>> Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
>>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
>>>>> original way and
>>>>> seem to have none of these flaws.
>>>>
>>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not
>>>> safe. Don't feed
>>>> your Ivermectin stash to your cat, yet!
>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
>>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
>>>>> though I won't post
>>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
>>>>
>>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist
>>>> authors
>>>> understood or asked everything they should have.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even
>>>> if rbt fools
>>>> will cry ad-hominem! when they politically correctly
>>>> strain to unsee a
>>>> young, inexperienced, specialist lab rat and fat guys
>>>> who, at least in
>>>> 2020, had big reasons personally to put more hope in
>>>> fast-lane vaccines
>>>> than into getting in shape.
>>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
>>> University. He
>>> is writing under a pseudonym'
>>>
>>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
>>> ultra-right website
>>> but does not want his name to be associated with his
>>> writing.
>>
>> Rolf, you really are scum because you are going along with
>> the ruling party line, which is: brownsmear any legitimate
>> target as defined by the party line. You know exactly
>> what has happened to the careers, and to the private
>> lives, of critical European doctors, scientists, judges,
>> and journalists who made the slightest mistakes, even with
>> their tax papers.
>
> You mean Prof Wiesendanger? The University of Hamburg has
> clearly stated that "freedom of research" allows a physicist
> to publish papers on medicine if they witsh to do so.
> But a paper called "research paper" must meet scientific
> minimum standards.
>
> I know perfectly well that the number of people infected by
> Corona in small towns like Sinsheim or Herxheim where
> "critical" doctors practice was significantly higher than in
> neighboring, similar towns, and the infected and dead in
> those towns were not only the patients of those "critical
> doctors" (in Herxheim an OAP home with lots of my brother's
> patients was hit heavily due to nursing staff who were
> patients of that "critical doctor").
> Causing unnecessary death of patients is a typical
> description of "medical malpractice", which hopefully has an
> impact of the future career of a doctor.
>
>> And you went along with your state's terrorist
>> discrimination of the unvaccinated, didn't you?
>
> The meaning of terrorism is "coercion by violence or threat
> of violence". Requiring proof of vaccination or a recent
> PCR test is neither violence nor threat of violence.
>
> The worst term I could kind of follow would be "apardheit"
> which does not really fit either because "apardheit" is
> discrimination due to unchangeable bodily properties and the
> vaccination status is changeable.
>
>
>>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
>>> refuse to give
>>> their real names.
>>
>> Fine, the public does not cares what or who Rolf, or Tom,
>> or Frank, or Sepp trusts; science is not about personal
>> trust.
>
> Science is about "peer-review"; science is about
> "reproducible results".
> The above piece does not constitue science but is a private
> interpretation of a scientific paper.
>
> Rolf
>

You make good points but the peer-review process is fraught.

https://www.science.org/content/article/what-massive-database-retracted-papers-reveals-about-science-publishing-s-death-penalty

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=113590

'Reproducible results' is indeed the ideal standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/25/2022 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> >>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
> >>>> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
> >>>>
> >>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
> >>>> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> >>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >>>>> though I won't post
> >>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >>>>
> >>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist
> >>>> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
> >>>> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
> >>>> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
> >>>> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
> >>>> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
> >>>> vaccines than into getting in shape.
> >>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> >>> University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
> >>>
> >>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> >>> ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
> >>> associated with his writing.
> >>>
> >>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> >>> refuse to give their real names.
> >> An excellent point.
> >
> > Do you suppose that he is referring to Flunky or he is willing to trust someone that doesn't use their real names if he agrees with their politics?
> >
> I don't know.
>
> People who write under a pseudonym can be right. They may do
> so for good reason as Mr Ruff noted. It's one of many
> criteria and not dispositive for either case.

Well, I happen to agree. Most popular fiction books are not written under the writers true name. If you had made 40 million lbs off of your last book in the Harry Potter series would you like to make it easy for people to find you?

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:56:56 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 3/25/2022 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > >>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> > >>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
> > >>>> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
> > >>>> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> > >>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> > >>>>> though I won't post
> > >>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist
> > >>>> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
> > >>>> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
> > >>>> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
> > >>>> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
> > >>>> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
> > >>>> vaccines than into getting in shape.
> > >>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> > >>> University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
> > >>>
> > >>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> > >>> ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
> > >>> associated with his writing.
> > >>>
> > >>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> > >>> refuse to give their real names.
> > >> An excellent point.
> > >
> > > Do you suppose that he is referring to Flunky or he is willing to trust someone that doesn't use their real names if he agrees with their politics?
> > >
> > I don't know.
> >
> > People who write under a pseudonym can be right. They may do
> > so for good reason as Mr Ruff noted. It's one of many
> > criteria and not dispositive for either case.
> Well, I happen to agree. Most popular fiction books are not written under the writers true name. If you had made 40 million lbs off of your last book in the Harry Potter series would you like to make it easy for people to find you?

I used to make a lot of money. And I used to make a lot of donations to charities etc, Now that I am not in a position to afford such things they seem to double down on asking for money. This sort of thing is going to destroy such people.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:50:22 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 22:47:57 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 9:10:51 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:41:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:55:56 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:09:46 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:44 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > > > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 8:53:08 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > > > > Most of the people in the group I ride with are older than I am. One of them had a birthday today and we planned to have a special ride over the Richmond Bridge, down to a lunch stop then over to the Larkspur ferry and over to San Francisco where we had a choice of routes home. Ferry or rapid transit.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > I woke up at 2 AM this morning with what I thought was a bout of allergy. But when I got up this morning I had what appears to be a cold and had a sharp cramp in my Gastrocnemius (the large muscle in the back lower leg).
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Well, I wasn't going to expose a bunch of old farts to infections which they would surely identify as covid-19. And the latest study out of Stanford Medical School says that being vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines that most people were makes people far more likely to contract any new variant of covid-19.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > How do you like those apples? Moreover, why can't you find this study on Google?
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Now, while it is likely that any new variant of this corona virus will be less severe that the original Alpha and Delta variants, getting any sort of illness including the common cold is dangerous to the age group that has actually been dying from covid-19: over 50 and most dangerous to 70+ years old and with at least 8 comorbidities. This puts Jeff in that category.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Yesterday as I was picking up my car that just had a tuneup and oil change, a quarter of a block away there was some guy laying on the sidewalk in a red sleeping bag. He looked at me in my sports coat and slacks and started shouting "I hate your guts." and various other symptoms of mental illness. He wasn't close enough to see my age so I assume either I looked like his father or a police detective. One of the silent majority here sent me a posting from Jeff where he said that he hated me. I got a good laugh out of comparing him to that homeless mental case. But really I don't wish anyone health problems such as makes Jeff a cripple.
> >> >> > > > Usually I have been able to use Google to find printed and preprinted studies that actually show real numbers but so far Google has managed to make it nearly impossible to discover anything about that Stanford paper showing that vaccinated people are more than twice as vulnerable to new covid-19 variants than the unvaccinated. I'm still trying to find the pre-print but here is a discussion that appears to contain the information. https://lifeanddeathandallbetween.wordpress.com/2022/02/09/cell-preprint-study-reveals-catastrophic-levels-of-spike-protein-in-vaccinated/
> >> >> > > Remember that vaccination with mRNA vaccines for covid-19 have been found to combine with DNA cells in the liver causing high toxicity. This means that in SOME cases this can grow to high toxic levels and prove deadly. These cell lines in most people I would expect to literally kill themselves off simply because of the volume of changed cells to pre-vaccinated cells. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8180204/ But this is clear proof that the mRNA vaccines are dangerous and those are the vaccines most heavily distributed. Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the original way and seem to have none of these flaws.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > What all of this adds up to is that if you've been vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna vaccines remain very alert for any symptoms of even general illness. And don't hesitate to go to your GP about it.
> >> >> > Here is a UK study that is repeating the same numbers that the Stanford study I heard (but can't find) supposedly said. https://www.theblaze..com/op-ed/horowitz-record-infections-in-super-vaxxed-uk-seniors-as-double-vaxxed-show-negative-efficacy-against-covid-death Ireland and Scotland have the highest vaccination rates in the UK, And those people are now being hospitalized and dying in large numbers: "That is straight-up negative efficacy even against death." https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-record-infections-in-super-vaxxed-uk-seniors-as-double-vaxxed-show-negative-efficacy-against-covid-death
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To tell you the truth, as far as I can make out, Google is hiding this study. It is the latest study out of Stanford and so should have been at the very top of the page. I am now down 5 pages and haven't discovered anything but a few references to it. And I know that people like the bookkeeper are going to complain that it doesn't exist.
> >> >> Well I finally found the study. It was at https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S0092867422000769?token=AD77233E97949B9846C5D512141546CF1E3C36246363F28C4AA761F1181319EF4D8203E19E047C317562CE4A406B1658&originRegion=us-east-1&originCreation=20220324231855 This is an extremely complicated study that was led by a professor at Stanford medical school. In order to understand it completely would take perhaps days. But from what I can see from a fast scan is that if you are vaccinated with mRNA vaccines such as the one used by Pfizer, you almost immediately begin losing a specific type of immunoglobulin (antibody specific to infections) that indicates the loss of your immune system. It looks like the the liver of a person that has been vaccinated is damaged. Previous articles claiming that mRNA vaccines that are NOT supposed to bind with DNA are doing so in the liver causing massive generation of spike proteins that are the source of poison should probably be looked into more
> >closely.
> >> >This suggests that the vaccines are destroying your immune system and additional infections of the various variants worsens the condition.
> >> >>
> >> >> As I say, this is a very complex study and there are indications of cancer and faint guessing that the damage may be from previous covid infections. I have to study this article very closely. Massive signs of lung (?) cancer in patients treated with a vaccine would be very unusual. As well as signs that taking the vaccine can produce results as the worst cases of covid-19 infection.
> >> >>
> >> >> If this interpretation is correct there is no way it could have passed any real trials. There are so many authors of this study that you have what appears to be half of them praising the vaccines as if what they were seeing were secondary to the speed it was developed. How that could be so when there are several tumor growth factors being detected is unscientific if you ask me. But it would seem to me that if widespread tumor growth was causing the hardening of the lung tissues in vaccinated covid breakthrough infections and deaths that it would be trumpeted rather loudly by autopsies.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this though I won't post anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >> >
> >> >Quotes from the study you cited.
> >> >
> >> >"Current SARS-CoV-2 vaccines all contain or induce the expression of antigens similar to those of the early Wuhan-Hu-1 viral isolate"
> >> >
> >> >"It remains to be determined precisely how the immune system responds to mRNA and other vaccine platforms compared with SARS-CoV-2 infection."
> >> >
> >> >"Several SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern with mutations in the spike gene have emerged and spread globally, with differing abilities to evade neutralizing antibody responses elicited by Wuhan-Hu-1 infection or vaccination."
> >> >
> >> >"The appearance of virus variants, waning antibody levels after infection or vaccination, and breakthrough infections in previously immunized individuals indicate that periodic vaccine boosting of immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is warranted."
> >> >
> >> >"Severe COVID-19 stimulates higher SARS-CoV-2-specific antibody titers than asymptomatic infection or mild illness."
> >> >
> >> >"One of the positive developments amid the global calamity of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has been the rapid design, production, and deployment of a variety of vaccines, including remarkably effective mRNA vaccines encoding the viral spike."
> >> >
> >> >"Correlates of immunological protection from SARS-CoV-2 infection following vaccination or prior infection are still under investigation."
> >> >
> >> >"our findings lead to the prediction that antibodies derived from infection may provide somewhat decreased protection against virus variants compared with comparable concentrations of antibodies stimulated by vaccination."
> >> >
> >> >"As additional variants of SARS-CoV-2 appear over time, individuals will acquire distinct immunological histories depending on which vaccines they received and which viral variants infected them."
> >> >
> >> >"Taken together, these results underscore important differences between SARS-CoV-2 antibody responses produced by vaccination versus infection."
> >> >
> >> >MY SUMMARY:
> >> >Get vaccinated!!!!!!!!! The original vaccines were based on the original Covid virus strain. Viruses change over time. New virus strains may evade the original vaccines. Getting vaccinated gives you better protection than getting infected and recovering. New vaccines will be needed to keep fighting Covid virus as it mutates over time.
> >> >
> >> >I have no idea what Tommy boy was trying to proclaim by mentioning this study. Whatever it was, he is wrong of course. Get vaccinated against Covid.
> >> My wife's younger sister, her daughter and grandson have recently been
> >> diagnosed with "covid" the sister and daughter, for sure
> >> have been vaccinated but I don't know about the 4 year old grandson.
> >> The sister reports that she felt "sick" for a day or so and is now
> >> feeling better and the daughter and grandson the same.
> >>
> >> Apparently the vaccination does help.
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >
> >I think everyone on earth except Tommy and Fox News has been saying the vaccine works/helps. Even TRUMP HIMSELF said the vaccine works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> I have the feeling that his dissension is simply a method of
> demonstrating his vast knowledge and understanding of the subject.
> (:-)
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:30:16 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Covid-19 very seldom does anything but shorten the lifespan of people approaching death and in very poor health.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3
1,092 aged 0-18 dead from Covid. Not too many I guess.

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/
"Among the 3.7 million COVID-19 deaths reported in the MPIDR COVerAGE database, 0.4 per cent (over 13,400) occurred in children and adolescents under 20 years of age. Of the over 13,400 deaths reported in those under 20 years of age, 58 per cent occurred among adolescents ages 10–19, and 42 per cent among children ages 0–9."
Now I will state this is for world Covid child deaths, not USA only. So we in the USA don't really care if kids in Africa or Asia die of Covid.

You have to be very careful since so much of this pandemic claims have been driven by Fauci who has been profiting from it. Why would you vaccinate people under 50 when these people have to be extremely sick to be bothered by covid-19 and the common yearly flu would be more dangerous to them? Especially when there are many questions about the vaccine's dangers?

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:54:23 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > > Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> > >> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> > Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
> > >> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
> > >>
> > >> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
> > >> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> > >>
> > >>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> > >> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> > >>> though I won't post
> > >>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> > >>
> > >> The more important question is whether the pathologist
> > >> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
> > >>
> > >> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
> > >> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
> > >> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
> > >> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
> > >> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
> > >> vaccines than into getting in shape.
> > >> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> > >>
> > >
> > > 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> > > University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
> > >
> > > So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> > > ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
> > > associated with his writing.
> > >
> > > I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> > > refuse to give their real names.
> > An excellent point.
> Do you suppose that he is referring to Flunky or he is willing to trust someone that doesn't use their real names if he agrees with their politics?
Shithead, If I agreed with your horseshit you'd have no problem with me posting anonymously.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 15:10:34 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 3/25/2022 1:30 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Covid-19 very seldom does anything but shorten the lifespan of people approaching death and in very poor health. You have to be very careful since so much of this pandemic claims have been driven by Fauci who has been profiting from it. Why would you vaccinate people under 50 when these people have to be extremely sick to be bothered by covid-19 and the common yearly flu would be more dangerous to them? Especially when there are many questions about the vaccine's dangers?
>
>So many questions? That's true only because any right wing talking head
>can ask a question. Among unbiased medically trained people, there are
>almost no questions. They all say to get the vaccine - as does Tom's
>orange overlord!
>
>And about the implication that COVID is mild: As mentioned, one
>extremely fit cycling friend of mine (admittedly, 51 instead of "under
>50") was on a ventilator for many weeks and was not expected to survive
>before he almost miraculously pulled through. His recovery was so
>unusual that his city newspaper had his photo and article on the front
>page.
>
>Another bike club member, also over 50, had it and was laid up at home
>for over a month. A neighbor of mine (in her 30s and right wing, BTW)
>said it was terrible: "It felt like being run over by a truck, on the
>inside." I don't know if that was an original statement of hers or
>copied from elsewhere.
>
>Some people do get only mild sickness. But the U.S. is at almost a
>million deaths from COVID, despite Tom's hardheaded denials. As almost
>everyone who is not blinded by right wing propaganda knows, COVID was a
>serious threat. And due largely to the unvaccinated crowd who are
>volunteer petri dishes, that threat may rise again.

1,002,776 deaths as of this morning's news. Leading the world! And the
greatest number of cases too, some 81,584,741 and again the greatest
number in the world!

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:39:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 3/25/2022 9:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>  > Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the original way and
>>> seem > to have none of these flaws.
>>>
>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.  Don't feed
>>> your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
>>>> though I won't post
>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
>>>
>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist authors
>>> understood or asked everything they should have.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if rbt fools
>>> will cry ad-hominem! when they politically correctly strain to unsee a
>>> young, inexperienced, specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in
>>> 2020, had big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
>>> vaccines than into getting in shape.
>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
>>
>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German University.  He
>> is writing under a pseudonym'
>>
>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an ultra-right website
>> but does not want his name to be associated with his writing.
>>
>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but refuse to give
>> their real names.
>
>To a person submerged in far-right propaganda, none of that matters.
>Credentials, data, training, experience, overwhelming agreement by
>scientific or medical communities mean nothing.
>
>For them, the standard is this: Does it agree with Q-Anon? Then it must
>be true!

Several hundred years ago Sir Francis Bacon stated that
“Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true.”

Which is still true today.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:56:55 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/25/2022 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> >>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
>> >>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
>> >>>> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
>> >>>> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
>> >>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
>> >>>>> though I won't post
>> >>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist
>> >>>> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
>> >>>> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
>> >>>> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
>> >>>> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
>> >>>> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
>> >>>> vaccines than into getting in shape.
>> >>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
>> >>> University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
>> >>>
>> >>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
>> >>> ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
>> >>> associated with his writing.
>> >>>
>> >>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
>> >>> refuse to give their real names.
>> >> An excellent point.
>> >
>> > Do you suppose that he is referring to Flunky or he is willing to trust someone that doesn't use their real names if he agrees with their politics?
>> >
>> I don't know.
>>
>> People who write under a pseudonym can be right. They may do
>> so for good reason as Mr Ruff noted. It's one of many
>> criteria and not dispositive for either case.
>
>Well, I happen to agree. Most popular fiction books are not written under the writers true name. If you had made 40 million lbs off of your last book in the Harry Potter series would you like to make it easy for people to find you?

You can't be serious.

https://booksvooks.com/series/harry-potter/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._K._Rowling#Gender_and_social_division
https://www.jkrowling.com/enquiries/
J.K. Rowling
c/o Box 2, 44-46 Morningside Road
Edinburgh
EH10 4BF
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 15:57:11 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:54:23 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> > On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> > > Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
>> > >> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > >> > Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
>> > >> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
>> > >>
>> > >> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
>> > >> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
>> > >>
>> > >>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
>> > >> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
>> > >>> though I won't post
>> > >>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
>> > >>
>> > >> The more important question is whether the pathologist
>> > >> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
>> > >> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
>> > >> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
>> > >> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
>> > >> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
>> > >> vaccines than into getting in shape.
>> > >> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
>> > > University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
>> > >
>> > > So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
>> > > ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
>> > > associated with his writing.
>> > >
>> > > I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
>> > > refuse to give their real names.
>> > An excellent point.
>> Do you suppose that he is referring to Flunky or he is willing to trust someone that doesn't use their real names if he agrees with their politics?
>
>Shithead, If I agreed with your horseshit you'd have no problem with me posting anonymously.

Well, when you point out that Tommy is a lying POS and then prove it,
how else can he reply? (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 10:29:20 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:56:55 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 3/25/2022 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >> >>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> >> >>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >>>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
> >> >>>> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
> >> >>>> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> >> >>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >> >>>>> though I won't post
> >> >>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist
> >> >>>> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
> >> >>>> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
> >> >>>> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
> >> >>>> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
> >> >>>> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
> >> >>>> vaccines than into getting in shape.
> >> >>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> >> >>> University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> >> >>> ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
> >> >>> associated with his writing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> >> >>> refuse to give their real names.
> >> >> An excellent point.
> >> >
> >> > Do you suppose that he is referring to Flunky or he is willing to trust someone that doesn't use their real names if he agrees with their politics?
> >> >
> >> I don't know.
> >>
> >> People who write under a pseudonym can be right. They may do
> >> so for good reason as Mr Ruff noted. It's one of many
> >> criteria and not dispositive for either case.
> >
> >Well, I happen to agree. Most popular fiction books are not written under the writers true name. If you had made 40 million lbs off of your last book in the Harry Potter series would you like to make it easy for people to find you?
> You can't be serious.
>
> https://booksvooks.com/series/harry-potter/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._K._Rowling#Gender_and_social_division
> https://www.jkrowling.com/enquiries/
> J.K. Rowling
> c/o Box 2, 44-46 Morningside Road
> Edinburgh
> EH10 4BF
> --

Of course he's serious...seriously stupid....Here's another : Stephen King started his career under the pseudonym Richard Bachman, and switched to his real name _after_ he became famous. His house is a regular stop on Bangor Maine's tour circuit.

https://newenglandwithlove.com/stephen-kings-maine/
"While visitors aren’t welcome to go inside of King’s house, anyone is welcome to visit the outside and snap a photo to prove that they’ve been there."

Tommy has only ever been successful at two things: being wrong and being an asshole.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:48:37 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the original way and
> > seem > to have none of these flaws.
> >
> > The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe. Don't feed
> > your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> >
> >> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> > <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >> though I won't post
> >> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >
> > The more important question is whether the pathologist authors
> > understood or asked everything they should have.
> >
> > Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if rbt fools
> > will cry ad-hominem! when they politically correctly strain to unsee a
> > young, inexperienced, specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in
> > 2020, had big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane vaccines
> > than into getting in shape.
> > <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >
> >
> >
> > <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German University. He
> is writing under a pseudonym'
>
> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an ultra-right website
> but does not want his name to be associated with his writing.
>
> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but refuse to give
> their real names.

Rolf, while I would normally agree with you, this has been do politicized people do not want to have their names connected to work that shows that the covid-19 is not dangerous and that the vaccines are.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:13:43 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> >> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the original way and
> >>> seem to have none of these flaws.
> >>
> >> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe. Don't feed
> >> your Ivermectin stash to your cat, yet!
> >>
> >>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> >> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >>> though I won't post
> >>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >>
> >> The more important question is whether the pathologist authors
> >> understood or asked everything they should have.
> >>
> >> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if rbt fools
> >> will cry ad-hominem! when they politically correctly strain to unsee a
> >> young, inexperienced, specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in
> >> 2020, had big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane vaccines
> >> than into getting in shape.
> >> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >>
> >> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> >
> > 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German University. He
> > is writing under a pseudonym'
> >
> > So the author is writing some random bullshit on an ultra-right website
> > but does not want his name to be associated with his writing.
> Rolf, you really are scum because you are going along with the ruling
> party line, which is: brownsmear any legitimate target as defined by the
> party line. You know exactly what has happened to the careers, and to
> the private lives, of critical European doctors, scientists, judges, and
> journalists who made the slightest mistakes, even with their tax papers.
> And you went along with your state's terrorist discrimination of the
> unvaccinated, didn't you?
>
> Achgut would be considered 1990's Republican in America, and is only
> "ultra-right" by idiotic ultra-left standards that have since usurped
> the mainstream. Btw, this was Zimmernym's latest piece,
> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/mrna_impfungen_der_perfekte_sturm>
> I have not read it, I'm not a subscriber. But maybe you should
> subscribe for you to have time to riposte with something more
> intelligent than just "random bullshit."
> > I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but refuse to give
> > their real names.
> Fine, the public does not cares what or who Rolf, or Tom, or Frank, or
> Sepp trusts; science is not about personal trust. Why don't you traitor
> of liberty just move to China to get a headstart on having your
> conformist status swiped at every corner and at maximizing your
> social-credit score?
>
> --
> <https://www.francesoir.fr/opinions-tribunes/the-day-i-understood-good-german>

Sepp, let's not us squabble about these things like that. I agree with you in general but not in particular. Professionals don't want to attach their names to things that have become so politicized that they could lose grants or study support for saying something that is science but not politically correct. This has to end.

While I am knocking the Pfizer vaccine I just got a voting letter for a stockholders meeting and discovered that I have considerable investment in Pfizer. Since this was all done by my financial advisor I do not feel the need to STFU.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/25/2022 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> >>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
> >>>> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
> >>>>
> >>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
> >>>> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> >>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >>>>> though I won't post
> >>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >>>>
> >>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist
> >>>> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
> >>>> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
> >>>> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
> >>>> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
> >>>> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
> >>>> vaccines than into getting in shape.
> >>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> >>> University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
> >>>
> >>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> >>> ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
> >>> associated with his writing.
> >>>
> >>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> >>> refuse to give their real names.
> >> An excellent point.
> >
> > Do you suppose that he is referring to Flunky or he is willing to trust someone that doesn't use their real names if he agrees with their politics?
> >
> I don't know.
>
> People who write under a pseudonym can be right. They may do
> so for good reason as Mr Ruff noted. It's one of many
> criteria and not dispositive for either case.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Let's just say that I don't believe that Flunky is Richard Schwinn in disguise.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:56:55 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/25/2022 12:13 PM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 25.03.2022 um 17:13 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> >> Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>> Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> >>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
> >>>>> original way and
> >>>>> seem to have none of these flaws.
> >>>>
> >>>> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not
> >>>> safe. Don't feed
> >>>> your Ivermectin stash to your cat, yet!
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> >>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >>>>> though I won't post
> >>>>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >>>>
> >>>> The more important question is whether the pathologist
> >>>> authors
> >>>> understood or asked everything they should have.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even
> >>>> if rbt fools
> >>>> will cry ad-hominem! when they politically correctly
> >>>> strain to unsee a
> >>>> young, inexperienced, specialist lab rat and fat guys
> >>>> who, at least in
> >>>> 2020, had big reasons personally to put more hope in
> >>>> fast-lane vaccines
> >>>> than into getting in shape.
> >>>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> >>> University. He
> >>> is writing under a pseudonym'
> >>>
> >>> So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> >>> ultra-right website
> >>> but does not want his name to be associated with his
> >>> writing.
> >>
> >> Rolf, you really are scum because you are going along with
> >> the ruling party line, which is: brownsmear any legitimate
> >> target as defined by the party line. You know exactly
> >> what has happened to the careers, and to the private
> >> lives, of critical European doctors, scientists, judges,
> >> and journalists who made the slightest mistakes, even with
> >> their tax papers.
> >
> > You mean Prof Wiesendanger? The University of Hamburg has
> > clearly stated that "freedom of research" allows a physicist
> > to publish papers on medicine if they witsh to do so.
> > But a paper called "research paper" must meet scientific
> > minimum standards.
> >
> > I know perfectly well that the number of people infected by
> > Corona in small towns like Sinsheim or Herxheim where
> > "critical" doctors practice was significantly higher than in
> > neighboring, similar towns, and the infected and dead in
> > those towns were not only the patients of those "critical
> > doctors" (in Herxheim an OAP home with lots of my brother's
> > patients was hit heavily due to nursing staff who were
> > patients of that "critical doctor").
> > Causing unnecessary death of patients is a typical
> > description of "medical malpractice", which hopefully has an
> > impact of the future career of a doctor.
> >
> >> And you went along with your state's terrorist
> >> discrimination of the unvaccinated, didn't you?
> >
> > The meaning of terrorism is "coercion by violence or threat
> > of violence". Requiring proof of vaccination or a recent
> > PCR test is neither violence nor threat of violence.
> >
> > The worst term I could kind of follow would be "apardheit"
> > which does not really fit either because "apardheit" is
> > discrimination due to unchangeable bodily properties and the
> > vaccination status is changeable.
> >
> >
> >>> I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> >>> refuse to give
> >>> their real names.
> >>
> >> Fine, the public does not cares what or who Rolf, or Tom,
> >> or Frank, or Sepp trusts; science is not about personal
> >> trust.
> >
> > Science is about "peer-review"; science is about
> > "reproducible results".
> > The above piece does not constitue science but is a private
> > interpretation of a scientific paper.
> >
> > Rolf
> >
> You make good points but the peer-review process is fraught.
>
> https://www.science.org/content/article/what-massive-database-retracted-papers-reveals-about-science-publishing-s-death-penalty
>
> https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=113590
>
> 'Reproducible results' is indeed the ideal standard.

The entire science world is now smothered in Publish Or Parish so there is hardly a study of paper properly done. But the "peers" have the same problem and if they destroy the study of another they may get the same treatment in turn.

So although reproducible results would be a good expectation I hope that you realize that more than half of the people in the hospital for covid-19 have no symptoms and are there out of pure fright because they tested positive using PCR.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> >> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
> >> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
> >>
> >> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
> >> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> >>
> >>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> >> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> >>> though I won't post
> >>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> >>
> >> The more important question is whether the pathologist
> >> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
> >>
> >> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
> >> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
> >> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
> >> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
> >> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
> >> vaccines than into getting in shape.
> >> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> >>
> >
> > 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> > University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
> >
> > So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> > ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
> > associated with his writing.
> >
> > I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> > refuse to give their real names.
> An excellent point.

Remember I said that people often do not like to advertise their own names for good reasons. And an unassuming lurker sent me a stupid posting of one of the hateful 5 saying the JK Rowling is JK Rowling. Well, that is sort of dumb for a number of reasons, but mainly because her real name is Joanne Murray. But she is publicly known by her maiden name because she is runs a charitable foundation under that name.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 5:43:35 PM UTC-5, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > > Am 25.03.2022 um 13:24 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
> > >> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> > Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the
> > >> original way and seem > to have none of these flaws.
> > >>
> > >> The J&J-Janssen product has other flaws and is not safe.Â
> > >> Don't feed your Ivermectin stato your cat, yet!
> > >>
> > >>> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this
> > >> <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.01.018>
> > >>> though I won't post
> > >>> anymore on it until I understand it all.
> > >>
> > >> The more important question is whether the pathologist
> > >> authors understood or asked everything they should have.
> > >>
> > >> Sometimes, pictures can be part of a short answer, even if
> > >> rbt fools will cry ad-hominem! when they politically
> > >> correctly strain to unsee a young, inexperienced,
> > >> specialist lab rat and fat guys who, at least in 2020, had
> > >> big reasons personally to put more hope in fast-lane
> > >> vaccines than into getting in shape.
> > >> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Rare-super-coronavirus-antibodies-likely-to-15353765.php>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> <https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_werden_corona_geimpfte_so_krank/>
> > >>
> > >
> > > 'Andreas Zimmermann has a Ph.D. in science from a German
> > > University. He is writing under a pseudonym'
> > >
> > > So the author is writing some random bullshit on an
> > > ultra-right website but does not want his name to be
> > > associated with his writing.
> > >
> > > I really trust people who pretend to be scientific but
> > > refuse to give their real names.
> > An excellent point.
> Remember I said that people often do not like to advertise their own names for good reasons. And an unassuming lurker sent me a stupid posting of one of the hateful 5 saying the JK Rowling is JK Rowling. Well, that is sort of dumb for a number of reasons, but mainly because her real name is Joanne Murray. But she is publicly known by her maiden name because she is runs a charitable foundation under that name.

Wow. You are truly stupid Tommy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._K._Rowling
"She wrote a seven-volume children's fantasy series, Harry Potter, published from 1997 to 2007."
1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2007 were the publishing years.
"Rowling married Neil Murray, a doctor, in 2001."
"Although she writes under the pen name J. K. Rowling, before her remarriage her name was Joanne Rowling, or Jo. At birth, she had no middle name. Staff at Bloomsbury Publishing asked that she use two initials rather than her full name, anticipating that young boys – their target audience – would not want to read a book written by a woman. She chose K (for Kathleen) as the second initial of her pen name, from her paternal grandmother, and because of the ease of pronunciation of two consecutive letters. Following her 2001 remarriage, she has sometimes used the name Joanne Murray when conducting personal business."
JK Rowling was married to a Portuguese man named Arantes from 1992 to 1995.

Tell us idiot Tommy, how could she publish her first books using JK Rowling in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, when she did not marry Neil Murray until 2001? And any intelligent, sensible human being (not Tommy), if they start a series of books under one name, they would not change the author name in the middle of the series.

I am always astounded with your stupidity Tommy.