On Fri, 6 May 2022 09:16:10 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 5:37:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/5/2022 7:06 PM, John B. wrote:
>> > On Thu, 5 May 2022 13:08:18 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 4:01:35 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:35:38 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> >>>> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:56:15 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Frank .....would gladly sacrifice his children on the alter of communism.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Frank, what does an 'alter' of communsim look like?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> It’s like, you know, the other communism…
>> >>> Frank has made comments many times here about his beliefs that are clearly socialist. The ONLY difference between socialism and communism is that when the Russian socialists were registering as a party, "socialist" was already taken and so they registered as "communist".
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, that's the _only_ difference.....
>> >>
>> >>> I have pretty poor regard for people that believe that they should be supported by working people.
>> >>
>> >> Said the guy living off SSI.....
>> >
>> > The Federal Budget is divided into Mandatory spending, more than 65%
>> > of the Budget, that pays for mandated benefits such as Social
>> > Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. such as Social Security, Medicare,
>> > and Medicaid.
>> >
>> > The remaining ~35% is termed Discretionary spending and pays for
>> > everything else. It will be $1.688 trillion
>> >
>> Words matter.
>> The only Constitutionally mandated expense is defense.
>>
>> Calling 'discretionary' expenses 'mandatory' is useful in
>> political terms but not actually true.
>
>Well, it isn't discretionary when it is payment on borrowed money. I see that flunky is telling us that he isn't going to draw social security when he retires. After all, he is willing to throw money that he earned away by referring to it as public money.

What ever are you going on about. The government taxes you and then
gives some of it back in the form of unemployment, old age pension,
medical care, aid to unwed mothers, assisted housing, subsidies to
farmers and The Lord only knows how many other freebies and even
borrows money to make these hand-outs, you go on about socialism or
communism?

On a dollar basis, perhaps the largest socialistic country in the
world.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/6/2022 1:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> Three of those five ... have had to make the humiliating public statement that they don’t read my posts because they have no answers.

Such dishonesty from Jute! Nobody has said that - unless, perhaps, you
mean it's your posts that have no answers. (A competent writer would
have made that clear.)

Personally, I quickly skim every post here. I don't actually _read_ most
of Jute's for several reasons. Most are overly wordy bloviations filled
with rudeness, lies, false egotism (really, desperate compensation), and
very little actual information.

And they are BORING.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:51:44 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:06:54 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > A couple of interesting things from this thread:
> >
> > 1. Nobody wants to defend Poor President Biden, not even the greenies.
> >
> > 2. The usual little wankers have altogether bypassed the serious damage Ocasio-Cortez and Biden are doing to the entire world, to argue about irrelevant details and typos, charging hard to prove Tom wrong, no matter how small the matter, mutter mutter mutter under their breaths in their obsession with proving themselves superior to Tom. I wonder if they ever wonder why it should be necessary to prove themselves superior to Tom, what years of fruitless effort says to the rest of the world about their self-images.
> >
> > 3. If you wonder why RBT shrinks while my supposedly much smaller niche for writers has rising thirty thousand members and turns away more unsuitable applicants twice a day than RBT has active members, wonder no more. The pettyfogging hairsplitting nastiness in this thread is all the evidence required to point fingers at RBT contributors by name.
> >
> > 4. Yesterday’s greenies, having screwed up almost free energy, and everything that followed from it, and having killed hundreds of millions of trees and ditto of birds, are now all hung-ho for nuclear power. What a turnabout! What a bunch of hypocritical clowns.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > Just thought I’d mention these few points.
> Can you believe that Biden is ACTUALLY trying to get us into a nuclear war with China and Russia

Is he? Is he launching test nuclear missiles like Putin?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-tests-new-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-2022-04-20/

Is his spokesman talking about using nuclear weapons like Putin's?
https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-spokesman-russia-would-use-nuclear-weapons-only-case-threat-existence-2022-03-28/

Seems to me the only one talking about nuclear weapons is Russia and Putin's people. And North Korea just did a test of a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. Yet Tommy boy takes the classical scenario of blaming the victim. Threaten Joe Biden with nuclear missiles and its Joe's fault. Typical Tommy/Republican.

and some diddly stinking coward who is afraid to use his real name is complaining about a typo? This might be the very first time in history when the Russian leaders are smarter than American Presidents and these feckless knuckleheads believe that a typo is important. The mental illness of people like the luckless 5 is demonstrative of the left in every deviation from normal.

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 6:22:43 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 6 May 2022 09:16:10 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 5:37:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 5/5/2022 7:06 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 5 May 2022 13:08:18 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 4:01:35 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:35:38 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
> >> >>>> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:56:15 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Frank .....would gladly sacrifice his children on the alter of communism.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Frank, what does an 'alter' of communsim look like?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> It’s like, you know, the other communism…
> >> >>> Frank has made comments many times here about his beliefs that are clearly socialist. The ONLY difference between socialism and communism is that when the Russian socialists were registering as a party, "socialist" was already taken and so they registered as "communist".
> >> >>
> >> >> Yeah, that's the _only_ difference.....
> >> >>
> >> >>> I have pretty poor regard for people that believe that they should be supported by working people.
> >> >>
> >> >> Said the guy living off SSI.....
> >> >
> >> > The Federal Budget is divided into Mandatory spending, more than 65%
> >> > of the Budget, that pays for mandated benefits such as Social
> >> > Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. such as Social Security, Medicare,
> >> > and Medicaid.
> >> >
> >> > The remaining ~35% is termed Discretionary spending and pays for
> >> > everything else. It will be $1.688 trillion
> >> >
> >> Words matter.
> >> The only Constitutionally mandated expense is defense.
> >>
> >> Calling 'discretionary' expenses 'mandatory' is useful in
> >> political terms but not actually true.
> >
> >Well, it isn't discretionary when it is payment on borrowed money. I see that flunky is telling us that he isn't going to draw social security when he retires. After all, he is willing to throw money that he earned away by referring to it as public money.
> What ever are you going on about. The government taxes you and then
> gives some of it back in the form of unemployment, old age pension,
> medical care, aid to unwed mothers, assisted housing, subsidies to
> farmers and The Lord only knows how many other freebies and even
> borrows money to make these hand-outs, you go on about socialism or
> communism?

You forgot all the Federal money given to Texas and Florida every year there is a hurricane. Billions and billions of Federal charity to states who do not tax their own state citizens to build up a rainy day fund to pay for these recurring events. Hurricanes happen every single year. Usually multiple times each year. Yet these states always come begging for Federal money. And in the past week or two there were some tornadoes in the southeast part of the USA. More Federal charity given/requested. Socialism?

>
> On a dollar basis, perhaps the largest socialistic country in the
> world.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Fri, 6 May 2022 20:34:17 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 6:22:43 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 09:16:10 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 5:37:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 5/5/2022 7:06 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 5 May 2022 13:08:18 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 4:01:35 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:35:38 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> >> >>>> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:56:15 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Frank .....would gladly sacrifice his children on the alter of communism.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Frank, what does an 'alter' of communsim look like?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> It’s like, you know, the other communism…
>> >> >>> Frank has made comments many times here about his beliefs that are clearly socialist. The ONLY difference between socialism and communism is that when the Russian socialists were registering as a party, "socialist" was already taken and so they registered as "communist".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yeah, that's the _only_ difference.....
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I have pretty poor regard for people that believe that they should be supported by working people.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Said the guy living off SSI.....
>> >> >
>> >> > The Federal Budget is divided into Mandatory spending, more than 65%
>> >> > of the Budget, that pays for mandated benefits such as Social
>> >> > Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. such as Social Security, Medicare,
>> >> > and Medicaid.
>> >> >
>> >> > The remaining ~35% is termed Discretionary spending and pays for
>> >> > everything else. It will be $1.688 trillion
>> >> >
>> >> Words matter.
>> >> The only Constitutionally mandated expense is defense.
>> >>
>> >> Calling 'discretionary' expenses 'mandatory' is useful in
>> >> political terms but not actually true.
>> >
>> >Well, it isn't discretionary when it is payment on borrowed money. I see that flunky is telling us that he isn't going to draw social security when he retires. After all, he is willing to throw money that he earned away by referring to it as public money.
>> What ever are you going on about. The government taxes you and then
>> gives some of it back in the form of unemployment, old age pension,
>> medical care, aid to unwed mothers, assisted housing, subsidies to
>> farmers and The Lord only knows how many other freebies and even
>> borrows money to make these hand-outs, you go on about socialism or
>> communism?
>
>You forgot all the Federal money given to Texas and Florida every year there is a hurricane. Billions and billions of Federal charity to states who do not tax their own state citizens to build up a rainy day fund to pay for these recurring events. Hurricanes happen every single year. Usually multiple times each year. Yet these states always come begging for Federal money. And in the past week or two there were some tornadoes in the southeast part of the USA. More Federal charity given/requested. Socialism?
>

No I didn't forget, I just got tired of listing all the "benefits"
received from the Federal Government. Whether this is "socialism" or
not, I suppose, subject to interpretation.

In addition, in today's America, state budgets also include money
given, or loaned to them by the Federal government. The 2021 Illinois
budget includes some $1.2 billion and California - $100 billion.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:06:35 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/6/2022 1:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > Three of those five ... have had to make the humiliating public statement that they don’t read my posts because they have no answers.
>
> Such dishonesty from Jute! Nobody has said that - unless, perhaps, you
> mean it's your posts that have no answers. (A competent writer would
> have made that clear.)
>

I found that claim rather dubious myself, but didn't go so far as to confirm it. However, given that he's also lied about being an administrator for some fictitious writers forum with over 30K members, it's no surprise he would make false claims about other people humiliating themselves as well.

> Personally, I quickly skim every post here. I don't actually _read_ most
> of Jute's for several reasons. Most are overly wordy bloviations filled
> with rudeness, lies, false egotism (really, desperate compensation), and
> very little actual information.

And the ones that have any actual technical content are pedantic......
> And they are BORING.

Funny, that's what his last editor said!

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:24:09 PM UTC-4, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:51:44 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:06:54 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > A couple of interesting things from this thread:
> > >
> > > 1. Nobody wants to defend Poor President Biden, not even the greenies..
> > >
> > > 2. The usual little wankers have altogether bypassed the serious damage Ocasio-Cortez and Biden are doing to the entire world, to argue about irrelevant details and typos, charging hard to prove Tom wrong, no matter how small the matter, mutter mutter mutter under their breaths in their obsession with proving themselves superior to Tom. I wonder if they ever wonder why it should be necessary to prove themselves superior to Tom, what years of fruitless effort says to the rest of the world about their self-images.
> > >
> > > 3. If you wonder why RBT shrinks while my supposedly much smaller niche for writers has rising thirty thousand members and turns away more unsuitable applicants twice a day than RBT has active members, wonder no more. The pettyfogging hairsplitting nastiness in this thread is all the evidence required to point fingers at RBT contributors by name.
> > >
> > > 4. Yesterday’s greenies, having screwed up almost free energy, and everything that followed from it, and having killed hundreds of millions of trees and ditto of birds, are now all hung-ho for nuclear power. What a turnabout! What a bunch of hypocritical clowns.
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > Just thought I’d mention these few points.
> > Can you believe that Biden is ACTUALLY trying to get us into a nuclear war with China and Russia
> Is he? Is he launching test nuclear missiles like Putin?
> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-tests-new-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-2022-04-20/
>
> Is his spokesman talking about using nuclear weapons like Putin's?
> https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-spokesman-russia-would-use-nuclear-weapons-only-case-threat-existence-2022-03-28/
>
> Seems to me the only one talking about nuclear weapons is Russia and Putin's people. And North Korea just did a test of a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. Yet Tommy boy takes the classical scenario of blaming the victim. Threaten Joe Biden with nuclear missiles and its Joe's fault. Typical Tommy/Republican.

A few years from now, tommy will try to convince everyone that Biden ordered a first strike and was only held back because trump followers in the military refused to follow orders. Andre - even though he claims to be the arbiter of historical truth in this forum - will allow the "perverse swath of revisionist history" to stand unchallenged, and make the claim that we are trying to bully tommy when we show facts to the contrary.

On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> Some people think he's just fine:
> https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
>
> Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?

Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.

George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
that cost him his re-election attempt.

Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.

The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
years of work.

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Some people think he's just fine:
> > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> >
> > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
>
> George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> that cost him his re-election attempt.
>
> Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
>
> The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> years of work.
>
Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
>
Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
>

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:39:39 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Some people think he's just fine:
> > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> > >
> > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> >
> > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> >
> > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> >
> > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> > years of work.
> >
> Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> >
> Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.

The mental illness demonstrated every day by the 5 leftists here is enough to show just how little touch they have with reality. Under Carter the economy went to hell in a hand basket. Under Reagan not only did it recover but more people were happier then ever. Scharf is so devoid of the mental capacity to think but he isn't even capable of attempting to help his obvious lack of intelligence with Google searches even though they are so strongly biased that Google has become literally useless.

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:39:39 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Some people think he's just fine:
> > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> > >
> > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> >
> > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> >
> > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> >
> > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> > years of work.
> >
> Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> >
> Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> >

And jute once again proves he is incapable of passing the Miller test.

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:17:42 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:39:39 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > Some people think he's just fine:
> > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> > > >
> > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> > >
> > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> > >
> > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> > >
> > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> > > years of work.
> > >
> > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> > >
> > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> The mental illness demonstrated every day by the 5 leftists here is enough to show just how little touch they have with reality. Under Carter the economy went to hell in a hand basket. Under Reagan not only did it recover but more people were happier then ever. Scharf is so devoid of the mental capacity to think but he isn't even capable of attempting to help his obvious lack of intelligence with Google searches even though they are so strongly biased that Google has become literally useless.

lol...Too bad no one was discussing Carter vs Regan. Here's a little tidbit of history for you and your sphincter licker, aka the RBT dumb and dumber twins.

https://www.vox.com/2016/1/25/10826056/reagan-iran-hostage-negotiation

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:17:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:39:39 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > Some people think he's just fine:
> > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> > > >
> > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> > >
> > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> > >
> > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> > >
> > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> > > years of work.
> > >
> > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> > >
> > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> The mental illness demonstrated every day by the 5 leftists here is enough to show just how little touch they have with reality. Under Carter the economy went to hell in a hand basket.

USA GDP during Carter presidency.
1977 4.62%
1978 5.54%
1979 3.17%
1980 -0.26% MINUS NEGATIVE

USA GDP during first few years of Reagan presidency.
1981 2.54%
1982 -1.80% MINUS NEGATIVE
1983 4.58%
1984 7.24%

USA GDP during Trump presidency.
2017 2.33%
2018 3.0%
2019 2.16%
2020 -3.49% MINUS NEGATIVE

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate

Looking at the FACTS, USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter. During first term. Big difference is Reagan's sh-tty GDP happened at the beginning and good GDP at the end. But with Carter it was the opposite. Good GDP to start and bad at the end during election. During Reagan's second year, 1982, he had a big negative GDP percent. -1.8%. And comparing Carter to Trump, Carter beat the living sh-t out of Trump when it comes to GDP. And Tommy boy brags about how great the economy was under Trump. Ha Ha Ha Ha.

> Under Reagan not only did it recover but more people were happier then ever. Scharf is so devoid of the mental capacity to think but he isn't even capable of attempting to help his obvious lack of intelligence with Google searches even though they are so strongly biased that Google has become literally useless.

On Sat, 7 May 2022 18:14:50 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:17:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:39:39 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
>> > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > >
>> > > <snip>
>> > > > Some people think he's just fine:
>> > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
>> > > >
>> > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
>> > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
>> > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
>> > >
>> > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
>> > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
>> > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
>> > >
>> > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
>> > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
>> > >
>> > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
>> > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
>> > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
>> > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
>> > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
>> > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
>> > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
>> > > years of work.
>> > >
>> > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
>> > >
>> > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
>> The mental illness demonstrated every day by the 5 leftists here is enough to show just how little touch they have with reality. Under Carter the economy went to hell in a hand basket.
>
>USA GDP during Carter presidency.
>1977 4.62%
>1978 5.54%
>1979 3.17%
>1980 -0.26% MINUS NEGATIVE
>
>USA GDP during first few years of Reagan presidency.
>1981 2.54%
>1982 -1.80% MINUS NEGATIVE
>1983 4.58%
>1984 7.24%
>
>USA GDP during Trump presidency.
>2017 2.33%
>2018 3.0%
>2019 2.16%
>2020 -3.49% MINUS NEGATIVE
>
>https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate
>
>Looking at the FACTS, USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter. During first term. Big difference is Reagan's sh-tty GDP happened at the beginning and good GDP at the end. But with Carter it was the opposite. Good GDP to start and bad at the end during election. During Reagan's second year, 1982, he had a big negative GDP percent. -1.8%. And comparing Carter to Trump, Carter beat the living sh-t out of Trump when it comes to GDP. And Tommy boy brags about how great the economy was under Trump. Ha Ha Ha Ha.

But, but, but...
Trump is fat.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-officially-called-fat-donald-article-1.2792346
Trump is bald.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHwOMWGAg_o
Trump assaults women... In department stores???
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?op=1
A man to be emulated!
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/7/2022 6:14 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:

<snip>

> Looking at the FACTS, USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter. During first term. Big difference is Reagan's sh-tty GDP happened at the beginning and good GDP at the end. But with Carter it was the opposite. Good GDP to start and bad at the end during election. During Reagan's second year, 1982, he had a big negative GDP percent. -1.8%. And comparing Carter to Trump, Carter beat the living sh-t out of Trump when it comes to GDP. And Tommy boy brags about how great the economy was under Trump. Ha Ha Ha Ha.

The reality is that the economy nearly always does better under
Democratic leadership.

"Many analyses look at which party is best for the economy. A study from
the National Bureau of Economic Research found that Democratic
presidents since World War II have performed much better than
Republicans. On average, Democratic presidents grew the economy 4.4%
each year versus 2.5% for Republicans.

A study by Princeton University economists Alan Blinder and Mark Watson
found that the economy performs better when the president is a Democrat.
They report that “by many measures, the performance gap is startlingly
large.” Between Truman and Obama, growth was 1.8% higher under Democrats
than Republicans."

See
<https://www.thebalance.com/democrats-vs-republicans-which-is-better-for-the-economy-4771839>

The inflation we are experiencing now is not nearly as bad as we had
during Nixon/Ford (over 12%) which was also accompanied by high
unemployment. Who remembers Gerald Fords plan to control inflation?
Manufacture millions of political buttons with "WIN" (whip inflation
now) printed on them. But again, Ford inherited the economic probables
of Nixon.

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:43:20 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 7 May 2022 18:14:50 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:17:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:39:39 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> >> > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > <snip>
> >> > > > Some people think he's just fine:
> >> > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> >> > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> >> > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> >> > >
> >> > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> >> > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> >> > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> >> > >
> >> > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> >> > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> >> > >
> >> > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> >> > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> >> > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> >> > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> >> > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> >> > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> >> > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> >> > > years of work.
> >> > >
> >> > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> >> > >
> >> > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> >> The mental illness demonstrated every day by the 5 leftists here is enough to show just how little touch they have with reality. Under Carter the economy went to hell in a hand basket.
> >
> >USA GDP during Carter presidency.
> >1977 4.62%
> >1978 5.54%
> >1979 3.17%
> >1980 -0.26% MINUS NEGATIVE
> >
> >USA GDP during first few years of Reagan presidency.
> >1981 2.54%
> >1982 -1.80% MINUS NEGATIVE
> >1983 4.58%
> >1984 7.24%
> >
> >USA GDP during Trump presidency.
> >2017 2.33%
> >2018 3.0%
> >2019 2.16%
> >2020 -3.49% MINUS NEGATIVE
> >
> >https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate
> >
> >Looking at the FACTS, USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter. During first term. Big difference is Reagan's sh-tty GDP happened at the beginning and good GDP at the end. But with Carter it was the opposite. Good GDP to start and bad at the end during election. During Reagan's second year, 1982, he had a big negative GDP percent. -1.8%. And comparing Carter to Trump, Carter beat the living sh-t out of Trump when it comes to GDP. And Tommy boy brags about how great the economy was under Trump. Ha Ha Ha Ha.
> But, but, but...
> Trump is fat.
> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-officially-called-fat-donald-article-1.2792346
> Trump is bald.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHwOMWGAg_o
> Trump assaults women... In department stores???
> https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?op=1
> A man to be emulated!
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

OK. But I am only talking about USA GDP percentages for each president. Not their personal lives or behaviors. Just the facts. GDP percentage each year. And I made a mistake in my post above. I said "USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter." That is wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I did the numbers and averaged the GDP for Carter, Reagan (1st term only), and Trump. And this is the result.

Carter 3.2675% average GDP each year in office
Reagan 3.14% average GDP each year during first term
Trump 1.00% average GDP each year in office

I did not do the average GDP for each US President during his term's in office. But I would not be at all surprised if Trump had the absolutely WORST average GDP during his term in office of any president since Herbert Hoover. Wow Wow Wow. Hard to believe anyone could destroy the USA economy any worse than Trump did.

On Sat, 7 May 2022 23:30:34 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:43:20 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 May 2022 18:14:50 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:17:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:39:39 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
>> >> > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > <snip>
>> >> > > > Some people think he's just fine:
>> >> > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
>> >> > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
>> >> > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
>> >> > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
>> >> > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
>> >> > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
>> >> > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
>> >> > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
>> >> > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
>> >> > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
>> >> > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
>> >> > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
>> >> > > years of work.
>> >> > >
>> >> > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
>> >> > >
>> >> > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
>> >> The mental illness demonstrated every day by the 5 leftists here is enough to show just how little touch they have with reality. Under Carter the economy went to hell in a hand basket.
>> >
>> >USA GDP during Carter presidency.
>> >1977 4.62%
>> >1978 5.54%
>> >1979 3.17%
>> >1980 -0.26% MINUS NEGATIVE
>> >
>> >USA GDP during first few years of Reagan presidency.
>> >1981 2.54%
>> >1982 -1.80% MINUS NEGATIVE
>> >1983 4.58%
>> >1984 7.24%
>> >
>> >USA GDP during Trump presidency.
>> >2017 2.33%
>> >2018 3.0%
>> >2019 2.16%
>> >2020 -3.49% MINUS NEGATIVE
>> >
>> >https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate
>> >
>> >Looking at the FACTS, USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter. During first term. Big difference is Reagan's sh-tty GDP happened at the beginning and good GDP at the end. But with Carter it was the opposite. Good GDP to start and bad at the end during election. During Reagan's second year, 1982, he had a big negative GDP percent. -1.8%. And comparing Carter to Trump, Carter beat the living sh-t out of Trump when it comes to GDP. And Tommy boy brags about how great the economy was under Trump. Ha Ha Ha Ha.
>> But, but, but...
>> Trump is fat.
>> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-officially-called-fat-donald-article-1.2792346
>> Trump is bald.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHwOMWGAg_o
>> Trump assaults women... In department stores???
>> https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?op=1
>> A man to be emulated!
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>OK. But I am only talking about USA GDP percentages for each president. Not their personal lives or behaviors. Just the facts. GDP percentage each year. And I made a mistake in my post above. I said "USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter." That is wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I did the numbers and averaged the GDP for Carter, Reagan (1st term only), and Trump. And this is the result.
>
>Carter 3.2675% average GDP each year in office
>Reagan 3.14% average GDP each year during first term
>Trump 1.00% average GDP each year in office
>
>I did not do the average GDP for each US President during his term's in office. But I would not be at all surprised if Trump had the absolutely WORST average GDP during his term in office of any president since Herbert Hoover. Wow Wow Wow. Hard to believe anyone could destroy the USA economy any worse than Trump did.

Try https://www.factsarefirst.com/metrics/gdp-growth/

It shows Cumulative GDP Growth by president. Trump scores 6%, the
lowest from JFK. Biden, with roughly one year in office shows 3%.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 3:09:58 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 7 May 2022 23:30:34 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:43:20 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 May 2022 18:14:50 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:17:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:39:39 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> >> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> >> >> > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > <snip>
> >> >> > > > Some people think he's just fine:
> >> >> > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> >> >> > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> >> >> > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> >> >> > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> >> >> > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> >> >> > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country..
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> >> >> > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> >> >> > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> >> >> > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> >> >> > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> >> >> > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> >> >> > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> >> >> > > years of work.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> >> >> The mental illness demonstrated every day by the 5 leftists here is enough to show just how little touch they have with reality. Under Carter the economy went to hell in a hand basket.
> >> >
> >> >USA GDP during Carter presidency.
> >> >1977 4.62%
> >> >1978 5.54%
> >> >1979 3.17%
> >> >1980 -0.26% MINUS NEGATIVE
> >> >
> >> >USA GDP during first few years of Reagan presidency.
> >> >1981 2.54%
> >> >1982 -1.80% MINUS NEGATIVE
> >> >1983 4.58%
> >> >1984 7.24%
> >> >
> >> >USA GDP during Trump presidency.
> >> >2017 2.33%
> >> >2018 3.0%
> >> >2019 2.16%
> >> >2020 -3.49% MINUS NEGATIVE
> >> >
> >> >https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate
> >> >
> >> >Looking at the FACTS, USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter. During first term. Big difference is Reagan's sh-tty GDP happened at the beginning and good GDP at the end. But with Carter it was the opposite. Good GDP to start and bad at the end during election. During Reagan's second year, 1982, he had a big negative GDP percent. -1.8%. And comparing Carter to Trump, Carter beat the living sh-t out of Trump when it comes to GDP. And Tommy boy brags about how great the economy was under Trump. Ha Ha Ha Ha.
> >> But, but, but...
> >> Trump is fat.
> >> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-officially-called-fat-donald-article-1.2792346
> >> Trump is bald.
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHwOMWGAg_o
> >> Trump assaults women... In department stores???
> >> https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?op=1
> >> A man to be emulated!
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >
> >OK. But I am only talking about USA GDP percentages for each president. Not their personal lives or behaviors. Just the facts. GDP percentage each year. And I made a mistake in my post above. I said "USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter." That is wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I did the numbers and averaged the GDP for Carter, Reagan (1st term only), and Trump. And this is the result.
> >
> >Carter 3.2675% average GDP each year in office
> >Reagan 3.14% average GDP each year during first term
> >Trump 1.00% average GDP each year in office
> >
> >I did not do the average GDP for each US President during his term's in office. But I would not be at all surprised if Trump had the absolutely WORST average GDP during his term in office of any president since Herbert Hoover. Wow Wow Wow. Hard to believe anyone could destroy the USA economy any worse than Trump did.
> Try https://www.factsarefirst.com/metrics/gdp-growth/
>
> It shows Cumulative GDP Growth by president. Trump scores 6%,

Which was merely riding the coat tails of the Obama recovery

On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 4:35:34 AM UTC-5, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 3:09:58 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 May 2022 23:30:34 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:43:20 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 7 May 2022 18:14:50 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:17:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> >> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:39:39 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > >> >> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> > >> >> > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > <snip>
> > >> >> > > > Some people think he's just fine:
> > >> >> > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> > >> >> > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> > >> >> > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> > >> >> > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> > >> >> > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> > >> >> > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> > >> >> > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> > >> >> > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> > >> >> > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> > >> >> > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> > >> >> > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> > >> >> > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> > >> >> > > years of work.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> > >> >> The mental illness demonstrated every day by the 5 leftists here is enough to show just how little touch they have with reality. Under Carter the economy went to hell in a hand basket.
> > >> >
> > >> >USA GDP during Carter presidency.
> > >> >1977 4.62%
> > >> >1978 5.54%
> > >> >1979 3.17%
> > >> >1980 -0.26% MINUS NEGATIVE
> > >> >
> > >> >USA GDP during first few years of Reagan presidency.
> > >> >1981 2.54%
> > >> >1982 -1.80% MINUS NEGATIVE
> > >> >1983 4.58%
> > >> >1984 7.24%
> > >> >
> > >> >USA GDP during Trump presidency.
> > >> >2017 2.33%
> > >> >2018 3.0%
> > >> >2019 2.16%
> > >> >2020 -3.49% MINUS NEGATIVE
> > >> >
> > >> >https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate
> > >> >
> > >> >Looking at the FACTS, USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter. During first term. Big difference is Reagan's sh-tty GDP happened at the beginning and good GDP at the end. But with Carter it was the opposite. Good GDP to start and bad at the end during election. During Reagan's second year, 1982, he had a big negative GDP percent. -1.8%. And comparing Carter to Trump, Carter beat the living sh-t out of Trump when it comes to GDP. And Tommy boy brags about how great the economy was under Trump. Ha Ha Ha Ha.
> > >> But, but, but...
> > >> Trump is fat.
> > >> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-officially-called-fat-donald-article-1.2792346
> > >> Trump is bald.
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHwOMWGAg_o
> > >> Trump assaults women... In department stores???
> > >> https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?op=1
> > >> A man to be emulated!
> > >> --
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> John B.
> > >
> > >OK. But I am only talking about USA GDP percentages for each president.. Not their personal lives or behaviors. Just the facts. GDP percentage each year. And I made a mistake in my post above. I said "USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter." That is wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I did the numbers and averaged the GDP for Carter, Reagan (1st term only), and Trump. And this is the result.
> > >
> > >Carter 3.2675% average GDP each year in office
> > >Reagan 3.14% average GDP each year during first term
> > >Trump 1.00% average GDP each year in office
> > >
> > >I did not do the average GDP for each US President during his term's in office. But I would not be at all surprised if Trump had the absolutely WORST average GDP during his term in office of any president since Herbert Hoover. Wow Wow Wow. Hard to believe anyone could destroy the USA economy any worse than Trump did.
> > Try https://www.factsarefirst.com/metrics/gdp-growth/
> >
> > It shows Cumulative GDP Growth by president. Trump scores 6%,
> Which was merely riding the coat tails of the Obama recovery

Yes. Using my GDP website: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate
I calculated the average GDP for Obama during his first and second terms and overall.

Obama 1st term 0.955% average GDP per year
Obama 2nd term 2.29% average GDP per year
Obama total 1.6225% average GDP per year

So I now have to retract my statement that Trump was the absolutely WORST president since at least Hoover in GDP growth. Obama was a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny bit less during his first term than Trump during his only term. But Obama did much much much better during his second term and overall his GDP average increase was OK. Obama was severely hampered by the absolutely awful trend that Bush2 started. Bush2's GDP decline started in his second term. Constant declines in GDP from 2004 to 2005 to 2006 to 2007 to 2008. All downhill GDP during Bush2 second term. Never an improvement.. All worse, year after year.

On Sun, 8 May 2022 02:35:32 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 3:09:58 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 May 2022 23:30:34 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:43:20 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 7 May 2022 18:14:50 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:17:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:39:39 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> >> >> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
>> >> >> > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > <snip>
>> >> >> > > > Some people think he's just fine:
>> >> >> > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
>> >> >> > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
>> >> >> > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
>> >> >> > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
>> >> >> > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
>> >> >> > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
>> >> >> > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
>> >> >> > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
>> >> >> > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
>> >> >> > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
>> >> >> > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
>> >> >> > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
>> >> >> > > years of work.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
>> >> >> The mental illness demonstrated every day by the 5 leftists here is enough to show just how little touch they have with reality. Under Carter the economy went to hell in a hand basket.
>> >> >
>> >> >USA GDP during Carter presidency.
>> >> >1977 4.62%
>> >> >1978 5.54%
>> >> >1979 3.17%
>> >> >1980 -0.26% MINUS NEGATIVE
>> >> >
>> >> >USA GDP during first few years of Reagan presidency.
>> >> >1981 2.54%
>> >> >1982 -1.80% MINUS NEGATIVE
>> >> >1983 4.58%
>> >> >1984 7.24%
>> >> >
>> >> >USA GDP during Trump presidency.
>> >> >2017 2.33%
>> >> >2018 3.0%
>> >> >2019 2.16%
>> >> >2020 -3.49% MINUS NEGATIVE
>> >> >
>> >> >https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate
>> >> >
>> >> >Looking at the FACTS, USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter. During first term. Big difference is Reagan's sh-tty GDP happened at the beginning and good GDP at the end. But with Carter it was the opposite. Good GDP to start and bad at the end during election. During Reagan's second year, 1982, he had a big negative GDP percent. -1.8%. And comparing Carter to Trump, Carter beat the living sh-t out of Trump when it comes to GDP. And Tommy boy brags about how great the economy was under Trump. Ha Ha Ha Ha.
>> >> But, but, but...
>> >> Trump is fat.
>> >> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-officially-called-fat-donald-article-1.2792346
>> >> Trump is bald.
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHwOMWGAg_o
>> >> Trump assaults women... In department stores???
>> >> https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?op=1
>> >> A man to be emulated!
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> John B.
>> >
>> >OK. But I am only talking about USA GDP percentages for each president. Not their personal lives or behaviors. Just the facts. GDP percentage each year. And I made a mistake in my post above. I said "USA GDP was only a little better under Reagan than under Carter." That is wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I did the numbers and averaged the GDP for Carter, Reagan (1st term only), and Trump. And this is the result.
>> >
>> >Carter 3.2675% average GDP each year in office
>> >Reagan 3.14% average GDP each year during first term
>> >Trump 1.00% average GDP each year in office
>> >
>> >I did not do the average GDP for each US President during his term's in office. But I would not be at all surprised if Trump had the absolutely WORST average GDP during his term in office of any president since Herbert Hoover. Wow Wow Wow. Hard to believe anyone could destroy the USA economy any worse than Trump did.
>> Try https://www.factsarefirst.com/metrics/gdp-growth/
>>
>> It shows Cumulative GDP Growth by president. Trump scores 6%,
>
>Which was merely riding the coat tails of the Obama recovery
>

One problem with equating the economy with a president is that there
are things outside the political system that effect the economy. Wars,
epidemics, etc. The current Covid Crises is undoubtedly effecting the
economy and has nothing to do with the President, or the political
system.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:59:30 PM UTC-7, jhc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:39:39 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > Some people think he's just fine:
> > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> > > >
> > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> > >
> > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> > >
> > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> > >
> > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> > > years of work.
> > >
> > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> > >
> > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> > >
> And jute once again proves he is incapable of passing the Miller test.
Why are you speaking about something you so clearly don't understand? Since you haven't even a passing understanding of the Miller Test, why are you mentioning it?

Might I suggest that if you're going to use a phrase that you at least know its definition?

To put it in layman's terms, the following questions must be answered:

Is it pornography?
Does it actually show sex?
Is it otherwise useless?

To pass the Miller test is has to meet ALL three requirements.

This being so - exactly why did you even post with Andre's name being used?

On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:23:40 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:59:30 PM UTC-7, jhc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:39:39 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> > > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > Some people think he's just fine:
> > > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> > > > >
> > > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> > > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> > > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> > > >
> > > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> > > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> > > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> > > >
> > > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> > > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> > > >
> > > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> > > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> > > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> > > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> > > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> > > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> > > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> > > > years of work.
> > > >
> > > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> > > >
> > > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> > > >
> > And jute once again proves he is incapable of passing the Miller test.
> Why are you speaking about something you so clearly don't understand? Since you haven't even a passing understanding of the Miller Test, why are you mentioning it?
>
> Might I suggest that if you're going to use a phrase that you at least know its definition?
>
> To put it in layman's terms, the following questions must be answered:
>
> Is it pornography?
> Does it actually show sex?
> Is it otherwise useless?
>
> To pass the Miller test is has to meet ALL three requirements.
>
> This being so - exactly why did you even post with Andre's name being used?

Tom, you have neither the background nor intellect to be able to have a discussion on the application or basic understanding of Miller vs California. For starters,
- you conflate "pornography" with "prurient interest". In Ripplinger v. Collins the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (post Miller v California) found "It is apparent that neither the Supreme Court nor the legislatures intended that tasteful pornography be suppressed while distasteful pornography remains unregulated."
- depictions of sexual acts in and of themselves is not qualifying
- 'Useless' is not a qualifying term. The material must be viewed as being without serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. In fact, a qualification of "useless" could negate the prurient interest qualification of the first demand.

Of course you would jump in with your pseudo-intellectual interpretation based on your 5 minute on-line search of the Miller test in which you are factually and demonstrably wrong (as is predominantly the case with any attempt of yours to allude to authority).

Andre has not published anything with any serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. It was a joke, son. Now step away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself.

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 2:49:58 AM UTC-7, jhc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:23:40 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:59:30 PM UTC-7, jhc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:39:39 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> > > > > On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > Some people think he's just fine:
> > > > > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> > > > > Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> > > > > predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> > > > >
> > > > > George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> > > > > best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> > > > > that cost him his re-election attempt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> > > > > good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> > > > >
> > > > > The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> > > > > what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> > > > > thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> > > > > Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> > > > > relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> > > > > the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> > > > > year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> > > > > years of work.
> > > > >
> > > > Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> > > > >
> > > > Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> > > > >
> > > And jute once again proves he is incapable of passing the Miller test..
> > Why are you speaking about something you so clearly don't understand? Since you haven't even a passing understanding of the Miller Test, why are you mentioning it?
> >
> > Might I suggest that if you're going to use a phrase that you at least know its definition?
> >
> > To put it in layman's terms, the following questions must be answered:
> >
> > Is it pornography?
> > Does it actually show sex?
> > Is it otherwise useless?
> >
> > To pass the Miller test is has to meet ALL three requirements.
> >
> > This being so - exactly why did you even post with Andre's name being used?
> Tom, you have neither the background nor intellect to be able to have a discussion on the application or basic understanding of Miller vs California.. For starters,
> - you conflate "pornography" with "prurient interest". In Ripplinger v. Collins the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (post Miller v California) found "It is apparent that neither the Supreme Court nor the legislatures intended that tasteful pornography be suppressed while distasteful pornography remains unregulated."
> - depictions of sexual acts in and of themselves is not qualifying
> - 'Useless' is not a qualifying term. The material must be viewed as being without serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. In fact, a qualification of "useless" could negate the prurient interest qualification of the first demand.
>
> Of course you would jump in with your pseudo-intellectual interpretation based on your 5 minute on-line search of the Miller test in which you are factually and demonstrably wrong (as is predominantly the case with any attempt of yours to allude to authority).
>
> Andre has not published anything with any serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. It was a joke, son. Now step away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself.

Since the Miller Act was rather famous since it was the first real challenge to the First Amendment, I suggest you ACTUALLY disprove my statement simply by any challenge whatsoever in court against the comments or writing of Andre. Take your fucking garbage disapproval of him elsewhere where other stupid people might agree with you.

On 5/9/2022 8:35 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 2:49:58 AM UTC-7, jhc...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:23:40 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:59:30 PM UTC-7, jhc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:39:39 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> Some people think he's just fine:
>>>>>>> https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
>>>>>> Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
>>>>>> predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
>>>>>> best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
>>>>>> that cost him his re-election attempt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
>>>>>> good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
>>>>>> what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
>>>>>> thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
>>>>>> Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
>>>>>> relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
>>>>>> the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
>>>>>> year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
>>>>>> years of work.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
>>>>>>
>>>> And jute once again proves he is incapable of passing the Miller test.
>>> Why are you speaking about something you so clearly don't understand? Since you haven't even a passing understanding of the Miller Test, why are you mentioning it?
>>>
>>> Might I suggest that if you're going to use a phrase that you at least know its definition?
>>>
>>> To put it in layman's terms, the following questions must be answered:
>>>
>>> Is it pornography?
>>> Does it actually show sex?
>>> Is it otherwise useless?
>>>
>>> To pass the Miller test is has to meet ALL three requirements.
>>>
>>> This being so - exactly why did you even post with Andre's name being used?
>> Tom, you have neither the background nor intellect to be able to have a discussion on the application or basic understanding of Miller vs California. For starters,
>> - you conflate "pornography" with "prurient interest". In Ripplinger v. Collins the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (post Miller v California) found "It is apparent that neither the Supreme Court nor the legislatures intended that tasteful pornography be suppressed while distasteful pornography remains unregulated."
>> - depictions of sexual acts in and of themselves is not qualifying
>> - 'Useless' is not a qualifying term. The material must be viewed as being without serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. In fact, a qualification of "useless" could negate the prurient interest qualification of the first demand.
>>
>> Of course you would jump in with your pseudo-intellectual interpretation based on your 5 minute on-line search of the Miller test in which you are factually and demonstrably wrong (as is predominantly the case with any attempt of yours to allude to authority).
>>
>> Andre has not published anything with any serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. It was a joke, son. Now step away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself.
>
> Since the Miller Act was rather famous since it was the first real challenge to the First Amendment, I suggest you ACTUALLY disprove my statement simply by any challenge whatsoever in court against the comments or writing of Andre. Take your fucking garbage disapproval of him elsewhere where other stupid people might agree with you.
>

'Miller' was a court decision not an Act of legislation.

John Adams & Congress assaulted the 1st Amendment in 1798,
175 years before Miller and more disastrously I might add:

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/alien-and-sedition-acts

https://vtdigger.org/2022/03/06/then-again-vermont-congressman-targeted-for-sedition/

Special mention for Woodrow Wilson who jailed Presidential
candidate Eugene Debs in 1917 under his new Espionage Act:

https://vtdigger.org/2022/03/06/then-again-vermont-congressman-targeted-for-sedition/

Lyon was a jerk nd Debs was a communist but our 1st
Amendment doesn't have any meaning if the current
administration can pick and choose its coverage.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:56:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/9/2022 8:35 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 2:49:58 AM UTC-7, jhc...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:23:40 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:59:30 PM UTC-7, jhc...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:39:39 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:23:32 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/5/2022 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>> Some people think he's just fine:
> >>>>>>> https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Which brings a question. Who are these people and what's wrong with them?
> >>>>>> Personally, when a president inherits a hell of a mess from his
> >>>>>> predecessor I cut him some slack, whether a Democrat or a Republican.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> George H.W. Bush inherited a huge mess from Ronald Reagan and did the
> >>>>>> best he could to clean it up. Part of that clean-up was a tax increase
> >>>>>> that cost him his re-election attempt.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from George W. Bush and did a pretty
> >>>>>> good job of undoing the damage that W. inflicted on the country.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The mess Biden inherited from Trump was order of magnitudes worse than
> >>>>>> what George H.W. Bush or Obama inherited from their predecessors. The
> >>>>>> thoughtless tariffs that fueled inflation, the total bungling of the
> >>>>>> Covid response. The foreign policy blunders of Trump, especially as
> >>>>>> relate to Ukraine. The increased deficits caused by huge tax cuts for
> >>>>>> the wealthy and for corporations, It's only been a little more than a
> >>>>>> year in office for Biden. Undoing the Trump damage is going to take many
> >>>>>> years of work.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Hey, Scharfie, Cloud Cuckoo Land AKA Disney is looking for a new President. You could use the letter above as proof that you’re totally devoid of reality.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Unsigned so as not to be seen dropping a dime on a guy who will cost Disney further losses.
> >>>>>>
> >>>> And jute once again proves he is incapable of passing the Miller test.
> >>> Why are you speaking about something you so clearly don't understand? Since you haven't even a passing understanding of the Miller Test, why are you mentioning it?
> >>>
> >>> Might I suggest that if you're going to use a phrase that you at least know its definition?
> >>>
> >>> To put it in layman's terms, the following questions must be answered:
> >>>
> >>> Is it pornography?
> >>> Does it actually show sex?
> >>> Is it otherwise useless?
> >>>
> >>> To pass the Miller test is has to meet ALL three requirements.
> >>>
> >>> This being so - exactly why did you even post with Andre's name being used?
> >> Tom, you have neither the background nor intellect to be able to have a discussion on the application or basic understanding of Miller vs California. For starters,
> >> - you conflate "pornography" with "prurient interest". In Ripplinger v.. Collins the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (post Miller v California) found "It is apparent that neither the Supreme Court nor the legislatures intended that tasteful pornography be suppressed while distasteful pornography remains unregulated."
> >> - depictions of sexual acts in and of themselves is not qualifying
> >> - 'Useless' is not a qualifying term. The material must be viewed as being without serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. In fact, a qualification of "useless" could negate the prurient interest qualification of the first demand.
> >>
> >> Of course you would jump in with your pseudo-intellectual interpretation based on your 5 minute on-line search of the Miller test in which you are factually and demonstrably wrong (as is predominantly the case with any attempt of yours to allude to authority).
> >>
> >> Andre has not published anything with any serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. It was a joke, son. Now step away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself.
> >
> > Since the Miller Act was rather famous since it was the first real challenge to the First Amendment, I suggest you ACTUALLY disprove my statement simply by any challenge whatsoever in court against the comments or writing of Andre. Take your fucking garbage disapproval of him elsewhere where other stupid people might agree with you.
> >
> 'Miller' was a court decision not an Act of legislation.
>
> John Adams & Congress assaulted the 1st Amendment in 1798,
> 175 years before Miller and more disastrously I might add:
>
> https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/alien-and-sedition-acts
>
> https://vtdigger.org/2022/03/06/then-again-vermont-congressman-targeted-for-sedition/
>
> Special mention for Woodrow Wilson who jailed Presidential
> candidate Eugene Debs in 1917 under his new Espionage Act:
>
> https://vtdigger.org/2022/03/06/then-again-vermont-congressman-targeted-for-sedition/
>
> Lyon was a jerk nd Debs was a communist but our 1st
> Amendment doesn't have any meaning if the current
> administration can pick and choose its coverage.

There is NO Doubt that ruling parties can and will assault the First Amendment just as it is presently doing with full cooperation of the Slime Stream Media and treasonous moguls. But you will note that the Miller case; unlike previous unlike previous cases set clear and reasonable limits to the right to free speech in a court of law and not issuing from the mouths of idiots on the left.(or the right for that matter). These limitations are easy to understand despite the apparent blindness of jfc who is simply attempting to use a case incorrectly because he doesn't like Andre. If Flunky, Russell or Jeffie said things to my face that they feel free to write into this group, I would make them wish that they were dead. So if the law is unwilling to set reasonable limits it become the rule of the strongest. And despite my age and infirmities I am perfectly willing to show any one of these three who the strongest is. If a uniformed cop feels so threatened merely by my looking at him as if he were crazy that he feels compelled not only to draw his gun but to cock it and point it at my head I can only imagine that Jeffie would have heart failure.

And in the first place, the Constitution was written not to protect you from me, but to protect you and me from the government. Something that seems to have escaped the Democrats entirely.