On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are answered in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to read the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the books.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird. “The worm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get it there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and then he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way speed off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of light on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s surface.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either because you forget the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or because
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
> >>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
> >>>>>>>>>> between.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
> >>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
> >>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
> >>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
> >>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
> >>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
> >>>>>> high altitude.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
> >>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
> >>>> different gravitational potentials?
> >>>
> >>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
> >> 1. It’s been done.
> >
> > It’s a lie.
> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
> is a lie is just crazy talk.
It is a lie because:
No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done. You just keep on making up stuff, that make you a lying sack of shit.
> >
> >> 2. It’s done in high vacuum and avoids issues of air density variations
> >> between the mountaintops, which will change the speed of the light on the
> >> trip back compared with the trip out.
>

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are answered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to read the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the books.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird. “The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get it there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and then he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of light on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either because you forget the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
>>>>>>>>>>>> between.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
>>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
>>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
>>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
>>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
>>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
>>>>>>>> high altitude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
>>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
>>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
>>>>>
>>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
>>>> 1. It’s been done.
>>>
>>> It’s a lie.
>> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
>> is a lie is just crazy talk.
> It is a lie because:
> No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
> tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.

On Thursday, 29 April 2021 at 23:00:10 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
> relative to each other and at the same altitude.

Bod, poor halfbrain, satellites at the same altitude are moving with different
velocities in your frame, ECI frame, heliocentric frame and many other frames,
they can't be considered as being at rest wrt each other

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail..com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are answered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to read the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the books.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird. “The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get it there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and then he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way speed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of light on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s surface.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either because you forget the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> between.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
> >>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
> >>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
> >>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
> >>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
> >>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
> >>>>>>>> high altitude.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
> >>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
> >>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
> >>>> 1. It’s been done.
> >>>
> >>> It’s a lie.
> >> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
> >> is a lie is just crazy talk.
> > It is a lie because:
> > No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
> > tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.
> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
> relative to each other and at the same altitude. There is no reason to do
> it again, on the ground, mountaintop to mountaintop,
Moron, the objective is to determine the owls on earh in the opposite directions is isotropic.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 29 April 2021 at 23:00:10 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
>> relative to each other and at the same altitude.
>
> Bod, poor halfbrain, satellites at the same altitude are moving with different
> velocities in your frame, ECI frame, heliocentric frame and many other frames,
> they can't be considered as being at rest wrt each other
>

I’m sure you think so.

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to read the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the books.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird. “The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and then he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either because you forget the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
>>>>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
>>>>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
>>>>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
>>>>>>>>>> high altitude.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
>>>>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
>>>>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
>>>>>> 1. It’s been done.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s a lie.
>>>> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
>>>> is a lie is just crazy talk.
>>> It is a lie because:
>>> No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
>>> tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.
>> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
>> relative to each other and at the same altitude. There is no reason to do
>> it again, on the ground, mountaintop to mountaintop,
> Moron, the objective is to determine the owls on earh in the opposite
> directions is isotropic.

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 9:28:57 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail..com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to read the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the books.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird. “The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and then he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way speed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of light
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s surface.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either because you forget the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
> >>>>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
> >>>>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
> >>>>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
> >>>>>>>>>> high altitude.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
> >>>>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
> >>>>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
> >>>>>> 1. It’s been done.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It’s a lie.
> >>>> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
> >>>> is a lie is just crazy talk.
> >>> It is a lie because:
> >>> No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
> >>> tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.
> >> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
> >> relative to each other and at the same altitude. There is no reason to do
> >> it again, on the ground, mountaintop to mountaintop,
> > Moron, the objective is to determine the owls on earh in the opposite
> > directions is isotropic.
> There’s no reason to do it on earth if it’s been done in space.

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 9:28:57 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the books.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either because you forget the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
>>>>>>>>>>>> high altitude.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
>>>>>>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
>>>>>>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
>>>>>>>> 1. It’s been done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s a lie.
>>>>>> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
>>>>>> is a lie is just crazy talk.
>>>>> It is a lie because:
>>>>> No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
>>>>> tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.
>>>> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
>>>> relative to each other and at the same altitude. There is no reason to do
>>>> it again, on the ground, mountaintop to mountaintop,
>>> Moron, the objective is to determine the owls on earh in the opposite
>>> directions is isotropic.
>> There’s no reason to do it on earth if it’s been done in space.
>
> Hey idiot if you want to find out the value of owls on earth then you do
> the measurement on earth..

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 9:28:57 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail..com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail..com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to read
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the books.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either because you forget the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
> >>>>>>>>>>>> high altitude.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential..
> >>>>>>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
> >>>>>>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
> >>>>>>>> 1. It’s been done.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It’s a lie.
> >>>>>> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
> >>>>>> is a lie is just crazy talk.
> >>>>> It is a lie because:
> >>>>> No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
> >>>>> tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.
> >>>> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
> >>>> relative to each other and at the same altitude. There is no reason to do
> >>>> it again, on the ground, mountaintop to mountaintop,
> >>> Moron, the objective is to determine the owls on earh in the opposite
> >>> directions is isotropic.
> >> There’s no reason to do it on earth if it’s been done in space.
> >
> > Hey idiot if you want to find out the value of owls on earth then you do
> > the measurement on earth..
> Why would you expect the isotropy of the speed of light to be different on
> the surface of the earth than out in space, Ken?

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 9:28:57 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the books.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either because you forget the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high altitude.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
>>>>>>>>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
>>>>>>>>>> 1. It’s been done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s a lie.
>>>>>>>> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
>>>>>>>> is a lie is just crazy talk.
>>>>>>> It is a lie because:
>>>>>>> No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
>>>>>>> tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.
>>>>>> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
>>>>>> relative to each other and at the same altitude. There is no reason to do
>>>>>> it again, on the ground, mountaintop to mountaintop,
>>>>> Moron, the objective is to determine the owls on earh in the opposite
>>>>> directions is isotropic.
>>>> There’s no reason to do it on earth if it’s been done in space.
>>>
>>> Hey idiot if you want to find out the value of owls on earth then you do
>>> the measurement on earth..
>> Why would you expect the isotropy of the speed of light to be different on
>> the surface of the earth than out in space, Ken?
>
> Moron, your SR cult claims that owls in the opposite directions is
> isotropic on earth and I don’t belief it.
>>

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:13:39 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 9:28:57 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail..com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to read
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the books.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either because you forget the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> high altitude.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
> >>>>>>>>>> 1. It’s been done.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It’s a lie.
> >>>>>>>> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
> >>>>>>>> is a lie is just crazy talk.
> >>>>>>> It is a lie because:
> >>>>>>> No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
> >>>>>>> tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.
> >>>>>> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
> >>>>>> relative to each other and at the same altitude. There is no reason to do
> >>>>>> it again, on the ground, mountaintop to mountaintop,
> >>>>> Moron, the objective is to determine the owls on earh in the opposite
> >>>>> directions is isotropic.
> >>>> There’s no reason to do it on earth if it’s been done in space.
> >>>
> >>> Hey idiot if you want to find out the value of owls on earth then you do
> >>> the measurement on earth..
> >> Why would you expect the isotropy of the speed of light to be different on
> >> the surface of the earth than out in space, Ken?
> >
> > Moron, your SR cult claims that owls in the opposite directions is
> > isotropic on earth and I don’t belief it.
> >>
> And why should that matter to anyone?

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 5:06:51 AM UTC-7, seto...@gmail.com wrote:

> It matters because I have a better theory of everything.and current physics failed to achieve that after 110

LOL

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:13:39 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 9:28:57 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> books.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either. No sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you forget the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high altitude.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. It’s been done.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It’s a lie.
>>>>>>>>>> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
>>>>>>>>>> is a lie is just crazy talk.
>>>>>>>>> It is a lie because:
>>>>>>>>> No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
>>>>>>>>> tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.
>>>>>>>> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
>>>>>>>> relative to each other and at the same altitude. There is no reason to do
>>>>>>>> it again, on the ground, mountaintop to mountaintop,
>>>>>>> Moron, the objective is to determine the owls on earh in the opposite
>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
>>>>>> There’s no reason to do it on earth if it’s been done in space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey idiot if you want to find out the value of owls on earth then you do
>>>>> the measurement on earth..
>>>> Why would you expect the isotropy of the speed of light to be different on
>>>> the surface of the earth than out in space, Ken?
>>>
>>> Moron, your SR cult claims that owls in the opposite directions is
>>> isotropic on earth and I don’t belief it.
>>>>
>> And why should that matter to anyone?
>

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 10:11:11 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:13:39 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 9:28:57 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:45:21 PM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:58:27 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:41:47 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:37 AM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:54:54 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodk...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can’t answer why they have to be anchored to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you said....This tactic is not going to work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a reminder to all...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken asks a question about SR, when all his questions are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of book available to him, and then he simply refuses to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No sir, the questions I asked about SR are not in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> books.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. You’ve not looked. You don’t want to look. You
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find them for you and feed you like a helpless baby bird.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t exist until my mother brings it to me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the nest.” You don’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mother got the worm out in the world and you should get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s why I asked.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody here asks a question about model mechanics, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer it, and he instead tells you to read his book, when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is not in his book either.. No sir,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell me why the physical clocks to measure the one-way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light not be anchored to the ground?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they don’t need to be. One can be on the ground and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space thousands of miles away. You were the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, no, they have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both be on the ground. I have no idea why you would say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron, we are trying to measure the isotropy of the speed of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why “on earth”? Why not measure isotropy in any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hole point is to use a pair of GPS synched clocks on earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to both be on earth?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to find out if the owls on earth in the opposite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be in the opposite directions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s fine. Straight up and straight down.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or up at a 75 degree angle and then back down at a 75 degree angle.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth and not in any other direction?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey idiot, we are talking about two GPS synched clocks on earth’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I asked you (repeatedly) why they have to both be on the Earth’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface. You’ve been asked this at least a half dozen times and so far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’ve not given any reason why. Either
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you forget the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from day to day (you 85-year-old who can’t live independently), or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you really don’t have a reason why.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is obvious that light can’t pass through solid rock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if one of the clocks is a few thousand miles up, there’s no rock in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they are not in the same frame....right? They are in relative motion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the earth rotates.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. They are not in relative motion. The clock up there thousands of miles
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away stays directly over the ground clock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the clocks are not in the same frame, they are in different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravitational potentials..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so use two clocks relatively at rest with each other and at the same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high altitude.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moron these clocks are in a different gravitational potential.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said put them at the same altitude. Do you still think they’re at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> different gravitational potentials?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How is this different than the clocks at two mountain tops at the same height?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. It’s been done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It’s a lie.
> >>>>>>>>>> No it isn’t. You’ve read nothing. Saying that anything you don’t know about
> >>>>>>>>>> is a lie is just crazy talk.
> >>>>>>>>> It is a lie because:
> >>>>>>>>> No such experiment of two clocks synched by the GPS on separate mountain
> >>>>>>>>> tops to measure the owls in the opposite directions ever been done.
> >>>>>>>> Nor does that have to be done. It’s already been done by satellites at rest
> >>>>>>>> relative to each other and at the same altitude. There is no reason to do
> >>>>>>>> it again, on the ground, mountaintop to mountaintop,
> >>>>>>> Moron, the objective is to determine the owls on earh in the opposite
> >>>>>>> directions is isotropic.
> >>>>>> There’s no reason to do it on earth if it’s been done in space.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hey idiot if you want to find out the value of owls on earth then you do
> >>>>> the measurement on earth..
> >>>> Why would you expect the isotropy of the speed of light to be different on
> >>>> the surface of the earth than out in space, Ken?
> >>>
> >>> Moron, your SR cult claims that owls in the opposite directions is
> >>> isotropic on earth and I don’t belief it.
> >>>>
> >> And why should that matter to anyone?
> >
> Why should it matter to anyone what you don’t believe?
> > It matters because I have a better theory of everything.and current
> > physics failed to achieve that after 110 years of trying.
> >>
> >> You don’t believe the basic physics that a single unbalanced force can
> >> produce a stable orbit, but even high school physics students know that.
> >
> > That’s a lie.......
> No it’s not.

On 5/1/2021 8:06 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:13:39 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> Moron, your SR cult claims that owls in the opposite directions is
>>> isotropic on earth and I don’t belief it.
>>>>
>> And why should that matter to anyone?
>
> It matters because I have a better theory of everything.and current physics failed to achieve that after 110 years of trying.

You mean that you have an unsupported assertion where you claim to have
a better hypothesis (not a theory). Not even hypothesis, an actual
better word is conjecture. No, even that word is too positive.
>>
>> You don’t believe the basic physics that a single unbalanced force can
>> produce a stable orbit, but even high school physics students know that.
>
> That’s a lie.......

Unsupported assertion. Remember, Newton PROVED only one force was
necessary, and Newton's proof is taught in high school physics.

> I don’t belief in abstract math based on none exisiting mathematical objects.

The word is "believe".

> .I don’t belief that the speed of light is observer independent.

Your uneducated belief is irrelevant. Remember the constant speed of
light came from observations.

> I don’t belief in time dilation.
> I don’t belief in length contraction.

Nobody cares about your beliefs. Meanwhile Einstein derived both, and
physicists believe in his physics because they work!

> I belief in most basic physics especially high school physics.

Yet you explicitly disbelieve in Newton's orbital motion laws, taught in
every high school physics class. Make up your mind, do you believe in
high school physics or don't you?

> I belief that there is a physical cause of theory of everything.

And mathematics shows how the physical causes behave.

> I belief that the speed of light is observer dependent.

Demonstrated false by observation.

> I belief in a physical cause of everything.

Which doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

> I belief that all the forces and all the processes of nature are the results of absolute motions of interacting objects in a structured, elastic and divergent aether called the E-Matrix.

Go ahead, believe in unsupported assertions.. You may as well believe in
invisible pink fairies causing planetary motion by pushing the planets
around.

> I belief in Model Mechanics......etc

Nobody else does, because it is NOT SCIENCE.

On Saturday, 1 May 2021 at 17:57:47 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 5/1/2021 8:06 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:13:39 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>> Moron, your SR cult claims that owls in the opposite directions is
> >>> isotropic on earth and I don’t belief it.
> >>>>
> >> And why should that matter to anyone?
> >
> > It matters because I have a better theory of everything.and current physics failed to achieve that after 110 years of trying.
> You mean that you have an unsupported assertion where you claim to have
> a better hypothesis (not a theory). Not even hypothesis, an actual
> better word is conjecture. No, even that word is too positive.
> >>
> >> You don’t believe the basic physics that a single unbalanced force can
> >> produce a stable orbit, but even high school physics students know that.
> >
> > That’s a lie.......
> Unsupported assertion. Remember, Newton PROVED only one force was
> necessary, and Newton's proof is taught in high school physics.
> > I don’t belief in abstract math based on none exisiting mathematical objects.
> The word is "believe".
> > .I don’t belief that the speed of light is observer independent..
> Your uneducated belief is irrelevant. Remember the constant speed of
> light came from observations.
> > I don’t belief in time dilation.
> > I don’t belief in length contraction.
> Nobody cares about your beliefs. Meanwhile Einstein derived both, and
> physicists believe in his physics because they work!

Meanwhile in the real world, however, real clocks of real
GPS keep indicating t'=t, just like serious clocks
always did.

> And mathematics shows how the physical causes behave.

Speaking of mathematics, stupid mike, it's always good to remind
that your idiot guru had to announce its oldest part false, as it
didn't want to fit his madness.

> > I belief that the speed of light is observer dependent.
> Demonstrated false by observation.

Go ahead, stupid Mike, believe in unsupported assertions.. You may
as well believe in invisible pink fairies causing planetary motion by
pushing the planets .

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I belief in most basic physics especially high school physics.
>> But you don’t believe the high school physics that says a single unbalanced
>> force can produce a stable orbit.
>
> But gravity is not a single attractive force.

Not according to high school physics. You said you believe high school
physics.

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 11:57:47 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 5/1/2021 8:06 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:13:39 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>> Moron, your SR cult claims that owls in the opposite directions is
> >>> isotropic on earth and I don’t belief it.
> >>>>
> >> And why should that matter to anyone?
> >
> > It matters because I have a better theory of everything.and current physics failed to achieve that after 110 years of trying.
> You mean that you have an unsupported assertion where you claim to have
> a better hypothesis (not a theory). Not even hypothesis, an actual
> better word is conjecture. No, even that word is too positive.

Model Mechanics is a valid TOE. Live with it.
> >>
> >> You don’t believe the basic physics that a single unbalanced force can
> >> produce a stable orbit, but even high school physics students know that.
> >
> > That’s a lie.......
> Unsupported assertion. Remember, Newton PROVED only one force was
> necessary, and Newton’s proof is taught in high school physics.

Newton didn’t provide the cause of gravity. Model Mechanics provide the cause of gravity.
>

> I don’t belief in abstract math based on none exisiting mathematical objects.
> The word is "believe".
> > .I don’t belief that the speed of light is observer independent..
> Your uneducated belief is irrelevant. Remember the constant speed of
> light came from observations.

It is not irrelevant....the speed of anything (including light) is observer dependent.L=ive with it.

> > I don’t belief in time dilation.
> > I don’t belief in length contraction.
> Nobody cares about your beliefs. Meanwhile Einstein derived both, and
> physicists believe in his physics because they work!
> > I belief in most basic physics especially high school physics.
> Yet you explicitly disbelieve in Newton's orbital motion laws, taught in
> every high school physics class. Make up your mind, do you believe in
> high school physics or don’t you?

Newton didn’t give the cause of gravity.
>
> I belief that there is a physical cause of theory of everything.
> And mathematics shows how the physical causes behave.
> > I belief that the speed of light is observer dependent.
> Demonstrated false by observation.
> > I belief in a physical cause of everything.
> Which doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
> > I belief that all the forces and all the processes of nature are the results of absolute motions of interacting objects in a structured, elastic and divergent aether called the E-Matrix.
> Go ahead, believe in unsupported assertions.. You may as well believe in
> invisible pink fairies causing planetary motion by pushing the planets
> around.
> > I belief in Model Mechanics......etc
> Nobody else does, because it is NOT SCIENCE.

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I belief in most basic physics especially high school physics.
> >> But you don’t believe the high school physics that says a single unbalanced
> >> force can produce a stable orbit.
> >
> > But gravity is not a single attractive force.
> Not according to high school physics. You said you believe high school
> physics.

That’s because physicists forced the cult belief of SR unto the students. If gravity is a single attractive force the moon is not able to maintain a stable orbit.

On 5/2/2021 10:45 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 11:57:47 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 5/1/2021 8:06 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:13:39 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Moron, your SR cult claims that owls in the opposite directions is
>>>>> isotropic on earth and I don’t belief it.
>>>>>>
>>>> And why should that matter to anyone?
>>>
>>> It matters because I have a better theory of everything.and current physics failed to achieve that after 110 years of trying.
>> You mean that you have an unsupported assertion where you claim to have
>> a better hypothesis (not a theory). Not even hypothesis, an actual
>> better word is conjecture. No, even that word is too positive.
>
> Model Mechanics is a valid TOE. Live with it.

That is a worthless, unsupported assertion. Live with it.

>>>>
>>>> You don’t believe the basic physics that a single unbalanced force can
>>>> produce a stable orbit, but even high school physics students know that.
>>>
>>> That’s a lie.......
>> Unsupported assertion. Remember, Newton PROVED only one force was
>> necessary, and Newton’s proof is taught in high school physics.
>
> Newton didn’t provide the cause of gravity.

That wasn't his goal. His goal was to describe the actions of gravity
and prove it was the cause of orbital motion as well as proving it was
the only force necessary.

> Model Mechanics provide the cause of gravity.

Nobody cares about your unsupported assertions. Live with it.

> > I don’t belief in abstract math based on none exisiting mathematical objects.
>> The word is "believe".
>>> .I don’t belief that the speed of light is observer independent.
>> Your uneducated belief is irrelevant. Remember the constant speed of
>> light came from observations.
>
> It is not irrelevant....the speed of anything (including light) is observer dependent.L=ive with it.

Except observers noted and agreed that it is observer independent. Live
with it. Do you believe actual observations are false? Do you understand
the meaning of "delusional thinking"?

>>> I belief in most basic physics especially high school physics.

>> Yet you explicitly disbelieve in Newton's orbital motion laws, taught in
>> every high school physics class. Make up your mind, do you believe in
>> high school physics or don’t you?
>
> Newton didn’t give the cause of gravity.

That wasn't his goal. He described how gravity, whatever its cause,
behaves to make apples fall and planets orbit. And nobody cares about
your worthless assertions anyway.

Do you believe in high school physics including the part which teaches
Newton's proof that a single gravitational force causes orbital motion,
or don't you?

And how can you even claim you believe in basic physics if you refuse to
even read about basic physics?

On Sunday, 2 May 2021 at 20:09:11 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:

> > It is not irrelevant....the speed of anything (including light) is observer dependent.L=ive with it.
> Except observers noted and agreed that it is observer independent.

Sure, all fabricated twins did. A pity that even your idiot guru
wasn't delusional enough to insist on such an idiocy for a
long time and his GR shit had to reject it.

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I belief in most basic physics especially high school physics.
>>>> But you don’t believe the high school physics that says a single unbalanced
>>>> force can produce a stable orbit.
>>>
>>> But gravity is not a single attractive force.
>> Not according to high school physics. You said you believe high school
>> physics.
>
> That’s because physicists forced the cult belief of SR unto the students.

Ok then your statement that you “belief in most basic physics especially
high school physics” was a lie.

You don’t believe basic high school physics.

> If gravity is a single attractive force the moon is not able to maintain a stable orbit.
>

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Sunday, 2 May 2021 at 21:05:11 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> I belief in most basic physics especially high school physics.
> >>>> But you don’t believe the high school physics that says a single unbalanced
> >>>> force can produce a stable orbit.
> >>>
> >>> But gravity is not a single attractive force.
> >> Not according to high school physics. You said you believe high school
> >> physics.
> >
> > That’s because physicists forced the cult belief of SR unto the students.
> Ok then your statement that you “belief in most basic physics especially
> high school physics” was a lie.
>
> You don’t believe basic high school physics.

Bod, you don't believe basic school mathematics. You're taking
it as obsolete Greek philosophy... Wanna a quoting?

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 2:09:11 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 5/2/2021 10:45 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 11:57:47 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2021 8:06 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:13:39 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> Moron, your SR cult claims that owls in the opposite directions is
> >>>>> isotropic on earth and I don’t belief it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>> And why should that matter to anyone?
> >>>
> >>> It matters because I have a better theory of everything.and current physics failed to achieve that after 110 years of trying.
> >> You mean that you have an unsupported assertion where you claim to have
> >> a better hypothesis (not a theory). Not even hypothesis, an actual
> >> better word is conjecture. No, even that word is too positive.
> >
> > Model Mechanics is a valid TOE. Live with it.
> That is a worthless, unsupported assertion. Live with it.
> >>>>
> >>>> You don’t believe the basic physics that a single unbalanced force can
> >>>> produce a stable orbit, but even high school physics students know that.
> >>>
> >>> That’s a lie.......
> >> Unsupported assertion. Remember, Newton PROVED only one force was
> >> necessary, and Newton’s proof is taught in high school physics..
> >
> > Newton didn’t provide the cause of gravity.
> That wasn't his goal. His goal was to describe the actions of gravity
> and prove it was the cause of orbital motion as well as proving it was
> the only force necessary.

Mathematic to describe the observed curve is not a theory. To qualify as a theory, the cause of gravity must be included. DTG is qualified as a complete theory of gravity. Why? It gives a new equation of gravity that give better fit to observations. It includes the cause of gravity.

> > Model Mechanics provide the cause of gravity.
> Nobody cares about your unsupported assertions. Live with it.
> > > I don’t belief in abstract math based on none exisiting mathematical objects.
> >> The word is "believe".
> >>> .I don’t belief that the speed of light is observer independent.
> >> Your uneducated belief is irrelevant. Remember the constant speed of
> >> light came from observations.
> >
> > It is not irrelevant....the speed of anything (including light) is observer dependent.L=ive with it.
> Except observers noted and agreed that it is observer independent. Live
> with it. Do you believe actual observations are false? Do you understand
> the meaning of "delusional thinking"?
> >>> I belief in most basic physics especially high school physics.
>
> >> Yet you explicitly disbelieve in Newton's orbital motion laws, taught in
> >> every high school physics class. Make up your mind, do you believe in
> >> high school physics or don’t you?
> >
> > Newton didn’t give the cause of gravity.
> That wasn't his goal. He described how gravity, whatever its cause,
> behaves to make apples fall and planets orbit. And nobody cares about
> your worthless assertions anyway.
>
> Do you believe in high school physics including the part which teaches
> Newton's proof that a single gravitational force causes orbital motion,
> or don't you?
>
> And how can you even claim you believe in basic physics if you refuse to
> even read about basic physics?

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> I belief in most basic physics especially high school physics.
> >>>> But you don’t believe the high school physics that says a single unbalanced
> >>>> force can produce a stable orbit.
> >>>
> >>> But gravity is not a single attractive force.
> >> Not according to high school physics. You said you believe high school
> >> physics.
> >
> > That’s because physicists forced the cult belief of SR unto the students.
> Ok then your statement that you “belief in most basic physics especially
> high school physics” was a lie.

No, I didn’t say all of high school physics are invalid. I said most of high school physics are invalid.
>
> You don’t believe basic high school physics.
> > If gravity is a single attractive force the moon is not able to maintain a stable orbit.
> >
> --
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables