On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:01:26 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 29.08.2022 um 04:13 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
>> On 8/28/2022 4:55 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/2022 2:06 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But to be fair, it's very unusual for a road cyclist to complain about
>>>>>> rim brakes. They too "just work."
>>>>>>
>>>>> That depends on the road cyclist, for Sunday best types and folks
>>>>> who live
>>>>> in very dry places the advantages are rather reduced.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your an all weather commuter or ride the roads though winter etc,
>>>>> been
>>>>> fairly obvious that rim brakes where lacking. Particularly if folks
>>>>> have
>>>>> experience of MTB which have had disks for decades.
>>>>
>>>> In places where I've lived and visited, it's very unusual to encounter
>>>> all weather commuters or those who ride through winter. (And I used to
>>>> be one of the latter.) That means even if every one of those unusual
>>>> cyclists complained about their rim brakes, complaints would still
>>>> qualify as unusual. Almost all bicyclists did not complain.
>>>
>>> Huge numbers around London and always has been, that’s not to say the
>>> first
>>> warn dry day get loads more but there is a significant numbers and always
>>> was. Go to Richmond park during mid winter as the sun sets and it’s
>>> visible, as you can see the stream of SW commuters returning home.
>>>
>>> And london is big ie these folks are doing 30/40 miles per day so need to
>>> be fairly committed.
>>
>> That's fine. How long have people been commuting by bike in London? Or
>> better yet, in Netherlands and Denmark?
>>
>> The answer: Long, long before road bike disc brakes. Yet demands for
>> completely different braking technology were vanishingly rare.
>
>Dutch bicycles usually had drum brakes (or "one drum brake on the rear
>wheel is good enough given the flat nature of Randstad") and were
>traditionally cycling at or below 10 mph so their requirement for
>quality braking was minimal.

And in the "way back" times in the U.S. bicycles had a single
"coaster" brake in the hub of the single speed rear wheel operated by
pedaling backwards, and that was sufficient (:-)
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Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:02:59 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
<ralph@invalid.com> wrote:

>“In the future, bicyclists will be unstoppable!”

Why wait for the future when you be unstoppable now?

"Brakeless Downhill Mountain Biking" (02/212017)
<https://www.redbull.com/us-en/chasing-trail-pov-brakeless-downhill-mountain-biking-gopro>
"Watch the mountain biker attempt to ride Hellion at Highland MTB Park
without brakes - or a chain"

I can't bear to watch the video. I guess(tm) the rider is into safety
because he's wearing a helmet. More:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=downhill+bicycle+no+brakes>

"Are Fixed Gear Bikes Illegal? What About Brakeless?"
<https://fixedgear.life/are-fixed-gear-bikes-illegal-brakeless/>
<https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&division=11.&chapter=1.&article=4.>
See 21201(a):
"In California, no person shall operate a bicycle on a roadway unless
it is equipped with a brake that will enable the operator to make one
braked wheel skid on dry, level, clean pavement."

I guess(tm) they want the brakes to lock up? Am I reading this
correctly?

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