Am 30.07.2021 um 12:08 schrieb Julio Di Egidio:
> On Friday, 30 July 2021 at 09:14:35 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 29.07.2021 um 15:29 schrieb Paparios:
>>> El jueves, 29 de julio de 2021 a las 1:27:55 UTC-4, Thomas Heger escribió:
>>>> Hi NG
>>>>
>>>> 'local time' is the idea, that time is not a universal uniform
>>>> parameter, which a cosmic clock provides, but strictly local.
>>>>
>>> For physicists, time is what a clock reads. There is nothing we know about what time is and why it runs in one direction (from passed to future).
>> OK
>
> OK??
>
> You shameless pieces of shit deserve your own extinction...
>

This was a rather rude reply to a statement, which isn't particularily
controversial.

Actually you freaked out, because I wrote 'ok'.

TH

El domingo, 1 de agosto de 2021 a las 2:26:38 UTC-4, Thomas Heger escribió:
> Am 30.07.2021 um 18:19 schrieb Paparios:

> >> But other clocks at other locations could look like they would run
> >> backwards, because 'other location' means also 'other local time'.
> >
> > Wrong, as every clock, at a given location, just ticks in the positive direction at 1 second/second. The most extreme case would be that of a spacecraft approaching a black hole event horizon. In that case, an observer here on Earth would receive signals from the spacecraft clocks, which are severely time dilated with respect to our clocks. In the limit, when the spacecraft reaches the event horizon, the spacecraft clocks would be seen to completely stop, while the astronauts there would see no time dilation (ie their clocks would continue to tick at 1 second/second). The movie Interstellar shows this effect.
> 'Positive' is a relative measure.
>

No it is not. In spacetime, the time coordinate goes from t=-∞ to t=+∞. But time only flows unidirectional from yesterday to tomorrow.

> We all advance into the positive direction in time, whereever we are.
> But we cannot be everywhere.
>
> If we are somewhere, we advance into the positive direction in time. But
> this direction is positive only there and not necessarily everywhere else..
>
> Relativity uses Lorentz transformation. and a Lorentz transform could be
> imagined as complex rotation of the axis of time.
>
> Now every location has such an axis, because every location has a local
> time. Because two locations can have an axis of time in an angle, the
> angle could eventually exceed 180 °, what is actually a rotation into
> the opposite direction.
>

But it is not. A basic spacetime diagram uses coordinates (ct,x), where x is horizontal and ct is vertical. Usually c is taken to be 1, so x and t are in the same distance units (light years). A moving body will have coordinates (t',x') related to (t,x) through the LTE. The higher the speed v of the body is, both coordinates t' and x' are closer to the line t=x (which is the speed of light). Those t' and x' lines look as a rotation but that rotation can not exceed the limit of t=x. Therefore, within those constraints, the coordinate t' is still moving from yesterday to tomorrow.

> This direction is still positive, because time is a local measure and
> only the time of an observed system could run backwards.
> >
>
> TH

Paparios wrote:

>> 'Positive' is a relative measure.
>>
> No it is not. In spacetime, the time coordinate goes from t=-∞ to t=+∞.
> But time only flows unidirectional from yesterday to tomorrow.

Think again, the existence even of the smallest minus would imply
causality violation. This will never happen. You can't send anything back
in time, nor travel.

On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:

> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time in different frames.

Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
that they are true?

Am 01.08.2021 um 15:52 schrieb Paparios:
> El domingo, 1 de agosto de 2021 a las 2:26:38 UTC-4, Thomas Heger escribió:
>> Am 30.07.2021 um 18:19 schrieb Paparios:
>
>>>> But other clocks at other locations could look like they would run
>>>> backwards, because 'other location' means also 'other local time'.
>>>
>>> Wrong, as every clock, at a given location, just ticks in the positive direction at 1 second/second. The most extreme case would be that of a spacecraft approaching a black hole event horizon. In that case, an observer here on Earth would receive signals from the spacecraft clocks, which are severely time dilated with respect to our clocks. In the limit, when the spacecraft reaches the event horizon, the spacecraft clocks would be seen to completely stop, while the astronauts there would see no time dilation (ie their clocks would continue to tick at 1 second/second). The movie Interstellar shows this effect.
>> 'Positive' is a relative measure.
>>
>
> No it is not. In spacetime, the time coordinate goes from t=-∞ to t=+∞. But time only flows unidirectional from yesterday to tomorrow.

I compare a spacetime diagram with an Argand diagram, hence assume, that
spacetime has properties of complex numbers.

The axis of time is essentially a count of something and gets real
numbers, while the inverse gets imaginary units i, j and k.

Now we could also revert the picture and make time imaginary and the
spacelike axes real.

Then we could also let time 'move sideways'.

Now we can place an observer there and that observer would see time like
we see time, even if his entire world is rotated 'sideways'.

This idea is a difficult tricky to understand, but I have written kind
of 'book':

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6

In this picture time is not just a universal parameter, but a local
measure. And that time can be 'rotated sideways', which would cause
several unusual effects.

>> We all advance into the positive direction in time, whereever we are.
>> But we cannot be everywhere.
>>
>> If we are somewhere, we advance into the positive direction in time. But
>> this direction is positive only there and not necessarily everywhere else.
>>
>> Relativity uses Lorentz transformation. and a Lorentz transform could be
>> imagined as complex rotation of the axis of time.
>>
>> Now every location has such an axis, because every location has a local
>> time. Because two locations can have an axis of time in an angle, the
>> angle could eventually exceed 180 °, what is actually a rotation into
>> the opposite direction.
>>
>
> But it is not. A basic spacetime diagram uses coordinates (ct,x), where x is horizontal and ct is vertical. Usually c is taken to be 1, so x and t are in the same distance units (light years). A moving body will have coordinates (t',x') related to (t,x) through the LTE. The higher the speed v of the body is, both coordinates t' and x' are closer to the line t=x (which is the speed of light). Those t' and x' lines look as a rotation but that rotation can not exceed the limit of t=x. Therefore, within those constraints, the coordinate t' is still moving from yesterday to tomorrow.

This is still based on a single parameter for time, which must therefore
be universally valid.

I want time to be a local measure and that local time goes uniformly
from minus to plus.

>> This direction is still positive, because time is a local measure and
>> only the time of an observed system could run backwards.

Whereever you are, your local time runs forward at the same rate of 1s
per s.

But these seconds are not always the same and they don't necessarily run
in the same direction.

TH

On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>
> > The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time in different frames.
> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> that they are true?
Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no wonder souname is Moron_y.

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>
>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time in different frames.
>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>> that they are true?
> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>

No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
described in its publicly available system documentation.

You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
works is not something that someone with good common sense would do.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 15:08:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>
> >>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time in different frames.
> >> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >> that they are true?
> > Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> > wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >
> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> described in its publicly available system documentation.

Yes, Bod, you can; and you'll read there that GPS clocks
are indicating t'=t, just like serious clocks always did.

> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> works is not something that someone with good common sense would do.

But it absolutely is something that an idiot follower of an idiot guru
screaming that common sense is just a collection of prejudices - would do.

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>
> >>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time in different frames.
> >> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >> that they are true?
> > Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> > wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >
> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>
> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good common sense would do.
>

That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch in terms of absolute time.

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>> in different frames.
>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>> that they are true?
>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>
>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>
>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>> common sense would do.
>>
>
> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> in terms of absolute time.
>

No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
the documentation. Don’t guess.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>> in different frames.
> >>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>> that they are true?
> >>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>
> >> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>
> >> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >> common sense would do.
> >>
> > SR
> > That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> > its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> > makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> > a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> > in terms of absolute time.
> >
> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> the documentation. Don’t guess.

That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to avoid in conflict with SR/GR.

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>
>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>
>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>
>>> SR
>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>
>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>
> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>

And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
can’t figure out first-year physics.

And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
a crazy loon.

Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
fact flat?

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 8/2/2021 11:28 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>
>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>
>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>
>>> SR
>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>
>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>
> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>
You lie, Stupid Ken. Why do you lie?
The explanation is right in the documentation and it explicitly
references GR as the reason. There is no mention of any "redefined GPS
second" anywhere. No such thing exists. There is ONE second used in
science with an explicit definition, there is no "redefinition" of it.

Why would it just so happen that the GR prediction just happens to match
your "redefined second" garbage? Why did the first GPS prototype happen
to use the standard timebase which didn't work before switching to the
GR predicted version? Why do you refuse to read the public documentation?

On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 17:48:02 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:

> The explanation is right in the documentation and it explicitly
> references GR as the reason. There is no mention of any "redefined GPS
> second" anywhere. No such thing exists. There is ONE second used in
> science with an explicit definition, there is no "redefinition" of it.

There is ONE second used in science, sure; unfortunately
GPS isn't a part of your moronic science, stupid Mike, and...
is 9 192 631 770 = 9 192 631 774?
And, BTW, the definition you're invoking, stupid Mike, is
absolutely re-definition. You can read about it in wiki...
you've even already done....

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:48:02 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 11:28 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> > On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>
> >>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>
> >>> SR
> >>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>
> >> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >
> > That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >
> You lie, Stupid Ken. Why do you lie?
> The explanation is right in the documentation and it explicitly
> references GR as the reason. There is no mention of any "redefined GPS
> second" anywhere. No such thing exists. There is ONE second used in
> science with an explicit definition, there is no “redefinition" of it.

Stupid moron Mike, GR tell them how much to redefine the GPS second so that the passage of a redefined GPS second is corresponded to the passage of a ground clock second. Gee you are so stupid.
>
> Why would it just so happen that the GR prediction just happens to match
> your “redefined second" garbage?
stupid moron Mike, the GR prediction tell them

>Why did the first GPS prototype happen
> to use the standard timebase which didn't work before switching to the
> GR predicted version? Why do you refuse to read the public documentation?

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:48:02 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 11:28 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> > On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>
> >>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>
> >>> SR
> >>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>
> >> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >> the documentation. Ground clock second.on’t guess.
> >
> > That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >
> You lie, Stupid Ken. Why do you lie?
> The explanation is right in the documentation and it explicitly
> references GR as the reason. There is no mention of any "redefined GPS
> second" anywhere. No such thing exists. There is ONE second used in
> science with an explicit definition, there is no “redefinition" of it.
Stupid moron Mike, The GR predictions tell them how to redefine the GPS second so that the passage of a redefined GPS second is corresponded to the passage of a standard ground clock second. Gee you are so fucking stupid.

>
> Why would it just so happen that the GR prediction just happens to match
> your "redefined second" garbage? Why did the first GPS prototype happen
> to use the standard timebase which didn't work before switching to the
> GR predicted version? Why do you refuse to read the public documentation?
Fucking idiot, the standard TIMEBASED DIDN’T WORK AND THAT,S WHY THEY
HAD TO REDEFINE THE THE GPS SECOND. Gee you are so fucking stupid.

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>
> >>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>
> >>> SR
> >>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>
> >> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >
> > That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> > avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >at
> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> can’t figure out first-year physics.
e....
No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>
> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
> a crazy loon.

Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>
>
> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
> fact flat?

I agree these claims of yours are wrong.

On 8/2/2021 12:36 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:48:02 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 8/2/2021 11:28 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>
>>>>> SR
>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>
>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>
>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>
>> You lie, Stupid Ken. Why do you lie?
>> The explanation is right in the documentation and it explicitly
>> references GR as the reason. There is no mention of any "redefined GPS
>> second" anywhere. No such thing exists. There is ONE second used in
>> science with an explicit definition, there is no “redefinition" of it.
>
> Stupid moron Mike, GR tell them how much to...

So now you claim GR is correct so your Muddle Mechanics is wrong?

> ...redefine the GPS second so that the passage of a redefined GPS second is corresponded to the passage of a ground clock second.

....but you still don't quite understand GR? Show me where Einstein or
anyone else talked about redefined seconds, Stupid Ken. A second is a
second is a second, there are no "redefined seconds".

>> Why would it just so happen that the GR prediction just happens to match
>> your “redefined second" garbage?
> stupid moron Mike, the GR prediction tell them

so you DO claim GR is correct. Time to scrap your Muddle Mechanics!
>
>> Why did the first GPS prototype happen
>> to use the standard timebase which didn't work before switching to the
>> GR predicted version? Why do you refuse to read the public documentation?

No answer, Stupid Ken?

On 8/2/2021 12:45 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:48:02 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 8/2/2021 11:28 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>
>>>>> SR
>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>
>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>> the documentation. Ground clock second.on’t guess.
>>>
>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>
>> You lie, Stupid Ken. Why do you lie?
>> The explanation is right in the documentation and it explicitly
>> references GR as the reason. There is no mention of any "redefined GPS
>> second" anywhere. No such thing exists. There is ONE second used in
>> science with an explicit definition, there is no “redefinition" of it.
> Stupid moron Mike, The GR predictions tell them how to redefine the GPS second

There is no redefined second in GR. You can't use GR to do what GR says
you can't do.

Do you also think they "redefine the spaceship meter" to measure the
length of a spaceship passing at 0.5c? No, GR/SR doesn't do anything
like that. Admit it, you simply can't understand GR.

> so that the passage of a redefined GPS second is corresponded to the passage of a standard ground clock second.

There is no such thing as a "redefined GPS second" so that can't be
done. A "redefined GPS second" is a figment of your imagination which
you falsely assert is real.
>>
>> Why would it just so happen that the GR prediction just happens to match
>> your "redefined second" garbage? Why did the first GPS prototype happen
>> to use the standard timebase which didn't work before switching to the
>> GR predicted version? Why do you refuse to read the public documentation?

> Fucking idiot, the standard TIMEBASED DIDN’T WORK AND THAT,S WHY THEY
> HAD TO REDEFINE THE THE GPS SECOND.

No, Stupid Ken. They found that things didn't work without the GR
corrections in the signal (as Einstein would have predicted but
apparently many didn't believe) so GR did apply. They compensated for
the fact that GR caused the signal to increase in frequency by
decreasing the transmitted frequency by the exact amount it increased
by, as GR predicted. There is no such thing as "the GPS second" and any
astronaut co-moving with the satellite could measure the signals based
from the 9192631774.1 signal were slightly slow.

Note that the GR prediction was used and it worked exactly correctly and
didn't need to find and use any "real" correct adjustment.

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>
>>>>> SR
>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>
>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>
>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>> at
>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> e....
> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.

As I said, this is insanity.

>>
>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
>> a crazy loon.
>
> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>

I think the world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.

>>
>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
>> fact flat?
>
> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Michael Moroney wrote:

>> Fucking idiot, the standard TIMEBASED DIDN’T WORK AND THAT,S WHY THEY
>> HAD TO REDEFINE THE THE GPS SECOND.
>
> No, Stupid Ken. They found that things didn't work without the GR
> corrections in the signal (as Einstein would have predicted but
> apparently many didn't believe) so GR did apply. They compensated for
> the fact that GR caused the signal to increase in frequency by
> decreasing the transmitted frequency by the exact amount it increased
> by, as GR predicted. There is no such thing as "the GPS second" and any
> astronaut co-moving with the satellite could measure the signals based
> from the 9192631774.1 signal were slightly slow.
>
> Note that the GR prediction was used and it worked exactly correctly and
> didn't need to find and use any "real" correct adjustment.

The corrections are as real as it can be, fricking stupid. But it's
rather the Earth which is corrected, since the GPS may safely be
considered as flat. Kenseto 1 : you 0.

On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 19:31:41 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 12:45 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
> > On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:48:02 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 8/2/2021 11:28 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> SR
> >>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>
> >>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >>>> the documentation. Ground clock second.on’t guess.
> >>>
> >>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>>
> >> You lie, Stupid Ken. Why do you lie?
> >> The explanation is right in the documentation and it explicitly
> >> references GR as the reason. There is no mention of any "redefined GPS
> >> second" anywhere. No such thing exists. There is ONE second used in
> >> science with an explicit definition, there is no “redefinition" of it.
> > Stupid moron Mike, The GR predictions tell them how to redefine the GPS second
> There is no redefined second in GR.

A lie, stupid Mike. Of course! Why do you lie so stupidly?
Anyone can check in wiki; your moronic second is the
redefined one.

> No, Stupid Ken. They found that things didn't work without the GR
> corrections in the signal (as Einstein would have predicted but
> apparently many didn't believe)

And, of course, that's another fucking lie from a well
known piece of lying shit; according to your idiot guru
and his Holiest Postulate no corrections should be applied
to GPS clocks.
Well, they wouldn't work, but what a brilliant symmetry we
would have instead.

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> SR
> >>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>
> >>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >>>
> >>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> >>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>> at
> >> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
> >> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> >> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> >> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> > e....
> > No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> > clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> > they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> > that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> As I said, this is insanity.
You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
> >>
> >> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
> >> a crazy loon.
> >
> > Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.

How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes the following features:
1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
5. more.
> >>
> >> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
> >> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
> >> fact at flat?
> >
> > I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
> >

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>> at
>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>> e....
>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>> As I said, this is insanity.
> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.

No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
insanity.

No one is going to listen to the ideas of a crazy loon who thinks like
that. Grow up.

>>>>
>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
>>>> a crazy loon.
>>>
>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
>
> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
> the following features:
> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
> 5. more.
>>>>
>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
>>>> fact at flat?
>>>
>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
>>>
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> SR
> >>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> >>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>>>> at
> >>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
> >>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> >>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> >>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> >>> e....
> >>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> >>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> >>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> >>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >> As I said, this is insanity.
> > You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity..
> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
> insanity.

What is insanity is as follows:
1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+ periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
> .
> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a crazy loon who thinks like
> that. Grow up.
> >>>>
> >>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
> >>>> a crazy loon.
> >>>
> >>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
> >> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
> >> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights..
> >
> > How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
> > the following features:
> > 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
> > 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
> > 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
> > 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
> > 5. more.
> >>>>
> >>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
> >>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
> >>>> fact at flat?
> >>>
> >>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
> >>>
> >
> >
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