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* local timeThomas Heger
+* Re: local timePaparios
|+- Re: local timeMaciej Wozniak
|+* Re: local timeGary Harnagel
||+- Re: local timeMaciej Wozniak
||`* Re: local timeUetake Matsumura
|| `- Re: local timeUetake Matsumura
|`* Re: local timeThomas Heger
| +* Re: local timeJulio Di Egidio
| |+* Re: local timeMaciej Wozniak
| ||`* Re: local timeJulio Di Egidio
| || `- Re: local timeMaciej Wozniak
| |+- Re: local timeGabriella Bouttier
| |`- Re: local timeThomas Heger
| `* Re: local timePaparios
|  `* Re: local timeThomas Heger
|   `* Re: local timePaparios
|    +- Re: local timeBuck Ehler
|    `- Re: local timeThomas Heger
+* Re: local timeJulio Di Egidio
|`* Re: local timeMaciej Wozniak
| `- Re: local timeEmmett Bradshaw
+* Re: local timeEmmett Bradshaw
|+- Re: local timeEmmett Bradshaw
|`* Re: local timeJulio Di Egidio
| `- Re: local timeEmmett Bradshaw
+* Re: local timemitchr...@gmail.com
|`- Re: local timeThomas Heger
`* Re: local timeKen Seto
 `* Re: local timeMichael Moroney
  `* Re: local timeKen Seto
   `* Re: local timeOdd Bodkin
    +- Re: local timeMaciej Wozniak
    `* Re: local timeKen Seto
     `* Re: local timeOdd Bodkin
      `* Re: local timeKen Seto
       +* Re: local timeOdd Bodkin
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       |   |      `* Re: local timeKen Seto
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       |   |           |   |  |`* Re: local timePython
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       |   |           |   |   ||    |   +- Re: local timeOdd Bodkin
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       |   |           |   |   ||    |    +* Re: local timeOdd Bodkin
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       |   |           |   |   ||    |       |  `* Re: local timeKen Seto
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       |   |           |   |   ||    |       |     +- Re: local timeMichael Moroney
       |   |           |   |   ||    |       |     `- Re: local timeOdd Bodkin
       |   |           |   |   ||    |       `- Re: local timeMichael Moroney
       |   |           |   |   ||    `* Re: local timeMichael Moroney
       |   |           |   |   ||     +- Re: local timemitchr...@gmail.com
       |   |           |   |   ||     `- Re: local timeMaciej Wozniak
       |   |           |   |   |`* Re: local timeKen Seto
       |   |           |   |   | `- Re: local timeOdd Bodkin
       |   |           |   |   `* Re: local timeMichael Moroney
       |   |           |   |    `- Re: local timeKen Seto
       |   |           |   `* Re: local timeMichael Moroney
       |   |           `- Re: local timeMichael Moroney
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Re: local time

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From: moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
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Subject: Re: local time
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 by: Michael Moroney - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:15 UTC

On 8/2/2021 3:50 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
>
> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes the following features:

It's a rant, not a theory, because it contains the following worthless
assertions, all without any experimental evidence.

> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.

All useless assertions. No observational evidence.

> 5. more.

?????

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From: bodkin...@gmail.com (Odd Bodkin)
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Subject: Re: local time
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 by: Odd Bodkin - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:34 UTC

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>>>> e....
>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
>> insanity.
>
> What is insanity is as follows:
> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.

It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.

See? You’re insane. You literally know NOTHING about what SR and GR
actually say, so you make it up. That’s insanity.

And you decide to make things up, even though you can’t do first-year
physics and you don’t even know what the words mean. That’s insane
behavior.

> 2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+
> periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
> 3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
>> .
>> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a crazy loon who thinks like
>> that. Grow up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
>>>>>> a crazy loon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
>>>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
>>>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
>>>
>>> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
>>> the following features:
>>> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
>>> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
>>> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
>>> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
>>> 5. more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
>>>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
>>>>>> fact at flat?
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Ken Seto - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 11:57 UTC

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> SR
> >>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> >>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>>>>>> at
> >>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
> >>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> >>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> >>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> >>>>> e....
> >>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> >>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> >>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> >>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>> As I said, this is insanity.
> >>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
> >> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
> >> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
> >> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
> >> insanity.
> >
> > What is insanity is as follows:
> > 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.

It does. If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
>
> See? You’re insane. You literally know NOTHING about what SR and GR
> actually say, so you make it up. That’s insanity.

So you see, you don’t understand your own religion.
>
>
> And you decide to make things up, even though you can’t do first-year
> physics and you don’t even know what the words mean. That’s insane
> behavior.h

That’s your problem: You accepted that current physics is religion......so you claimed that any other alternatives are faulty.

> > 2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+
> > periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
> > 3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
> >> .
> >> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a crazy loon who thinks like
> >> that. Grow up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
> >>>>>> a crazy loon.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
> >>>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
> >>>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
> >>>
> >>> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
> >>> the following features:
> >>> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
> >>> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
> >>> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
> >>> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
> >>> 5. more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
> >>>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
> >>>>>> fact at flat?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>>>>>> e....
>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
>>>> insanity.
>>>
>>> What is insanity is as follows:
>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
>
> It does.

No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.

> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.

Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.

>>
>> See? You’re insane. You literally know NOTHING about what SR and GR
>> actually say, so you make it up. That’s insanity.
>
> So you see, you don’t understand your own religion.
>>
>>
>> And you decide to make things up, even though you can’t do first-year
>> physics and you don’t even know what the words mean. That’s insane
>> behavior.h
>
> That’s your problem: You accepted that current physics is religion.....so
> you claimed that any other alternatives are faulty.

No, I’ve only determined that alternatives produced by a crazy loon will be
certainly faulty.

>
>>> 2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+
>>> periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
>>> 3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
>>>> .
>>>> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a crazy loon who thinks like
>>>> that. Grow up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
>>>>>>>> a crazy loon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
>>>>>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
>>>>>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
>>>>> the following features:
>>>>> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
>>>>> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
>>>>> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
>>>>> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
>>>>> 5. more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
>>>>>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
>>>>>>>> fact at flat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>>>>>>> e....
>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
>>>>> insanity.
>>>>
>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
>>
>> It does.
>
> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>
>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
>
> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.

And before you try to prove this claim, please remember that you do not
know what time dilation is. Every single time you’ve tried to state what
time dilation is, you get it wrong.

>
>>>
>>> See? You’re insane. You literally know NOTHING about what SR and GR
>>> actually say, so you make it up. That’s insanity.
>>
>> So you see, you don’t understand your own religion.
>>>
>>>
>>> And you decide to make things up, even though you can’t do first-year
>>> physics and you don’t even know what the words mean. That’s insane
>>> behavior.h
>>
>> That’s your problem: You accepted that current physics is religion.....so
>> you claimed that any other alternatives are faulty.
>
> No, I’ve only determined that alternatives produced by a crazy loon will be
> certainly faulty.
>
>>
>>>> 2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+
>>>> periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
>>>> 3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
>>>>> .
>>>>> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a crazy loon who thinks like
>>>>> that. Grow up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
>>>>>>>>> a crazy loon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
>>>>>>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
>>>>>>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
>>>>>> the following features:
>>>>>> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
>>>>>> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
>>>>>> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
>>>>>> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
>>>>>> 5. more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
>>>>>>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
>>>>>>>>> fact at flat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>
>
>


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On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> SR
> >>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> >>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
> >>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> >>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> >>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> >>>>>>> e....
> >>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> >>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> >>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> >>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
> >>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
> >>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
> >>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
> >>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
> >>>> insanity.
> >>>
> >>> What is insanity is as follows:
> >>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
> >
> > It does.
> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> > If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.

You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a universal interval of time.
> >>
> >> See? You’re insane. You literally know NOTHING about what SR and GR
> >> actually say, so you make it up. That’s insanity.
> >
> > So you see, you don’t understand your own religion.
> >>
> >>
> >> And you decide to make things up, even though you can’t do first-year
> >> physics and you don’t even know what the words mean. That’s insane
> >> behavior.h
> >
> > That’s your problem: You accepted that current physics is religion.....so
> > you claimed that any other alternatives are faulty.
> No, I’ve only determined that alternatives produced by a crazy loon will be
> certainly faulty.

All viable alternative are come up by individual who is a little out of the main stream. Why? Because that’s what gives them the crazy but valid idea. And that’s why indoctrinate physicists failed to come up with a valid theory of gravity because they have no crazy ideas after 110 years of trying.
> >
> >>> 2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+
> >>> periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
> >>> 3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
> >>>> .
>t of >>>> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a crazy loon who thinks like
> >>>> that. Grow up.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
> >>>>>>>> a crazy loon.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
> >>>>>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
> >>>>>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
> >>>>> the following features:
> >>>>> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
> >>>>> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
> >>>>> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
> >>>>> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
> >>>>> 5. more.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
> >>>>>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
> >>>>>>>> fact at flat?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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 by: Odd Bodkin - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:46 UTC

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>>>>>>>> e....
>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
>>>>>> insanity.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
>>>
>>> It does.
>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
>
> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
> universal interval of time.

Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.

>>>>
>>>> See? You’re insane. You literally know NOTHING about what SR and GR
>>>> actually say, so you make it up. That’s insanity.
>>>
>>> So you see, you don’t understand your own religion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you decide to make things up, even though you can’t do first-year
>>>> physics and you don’t even know what the words mean. That’s insane
>>>> behavior.h
>>>
>>> That’s your problem: You accepted that current physics is religion.....so
>>> you claimed that any other alternatives are faulty.
>> No, I’ve only determined that alternatives produced by a crazy loon will be
>> certainly faulty.
>
> All viable alternative are come up by individual who is a little out of the main stream.

Bullshit. That’s a historical fiction. Where did you EVER get the idea that
landmark ideas come from people out of the mainstream?

> Why? Because that’s what gives them the crazy but valid idea. And that’s
> why indoctrinate physicists failed to come up with a valid theory of
> gravity because they have no crazy ideas after 110 years of trying.
>>>
>>>>> 2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+
>>>>> periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
>>>>> 3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
>>>>>> .
>> t of >>>> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a
>> crazy loon who thinks like
>>>>>> that. Grow up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
>>>>>>>>>> a crazy loon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
>>>>>>>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
>>>>>>>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
>>>>>>> the following features:
>>>>>>> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
>>>>>>> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
>>>>>>> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
>>>>>>> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
>>>>>>> 5. more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
>>>>>>>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
>>>>>>>>>> fact at flat?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail..com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> >>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
> >>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> >>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> >>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> >>>>>>>>> e....
> >>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> >>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> >>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> >>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
> >>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
> >>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
> >>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
> >>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
> >>>>>> insanity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
> >>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time..
> >>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
> >>>
> >>> It does.
> >> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
> >> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
> >> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
> >
> > You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
> > universal interval of time.
> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.

The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so you tried to bullshit your way out.
> >>>>
> >>>> See? You’re insane. You literally know NOTHING about what SR and GR
> >>>> actually say, so you make it up. That’s insanity.
> >>>
> >>> So you see, you don’t understand your own religion.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And you decide to make things up, even though you can’t do first-year
> >>>> physics and you don’t even know what the words mean. That’s insane
> >>>> behavior.h
> >>>
> >>> That’s your problem: You accepted that current physics is religion.....so
> >>> you claimed that any other alternatives are faulty.
> >> No, I’ve only determined that alternatives produced by a crazy loon will be
> >> certainly faulty.
> >
> > All viable alternative are come up by individual who is a little out of the main stream.
> Bullshit. That’s a historical fiction. Where did you EVER get the idea that
> landmark ideas come from people out of the mainstream?
> > Why? Because that’s what gives them the crazy but valid idea. And that’s
> > why indoctrinate physicists failed to come up with a valid theory of
> > gravity because they have no crazy ideas after 110 years of trying.
> >>>
> >>>>> 2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+
> >>>>> periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
> >>>>> 3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
> >>>>>> .
> >> t of >>>> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a
> >> crazy loon who thinks like
> >>>>>> that. Grow up.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
> >>>>>>>>>> a crazy loon.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
> >>>>>>>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
> >>>>>>>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
> >>>>>>> the following features:
> >>>>>>> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
> >>>>>>> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
> >>>>>>> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
> >>>>>>> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
> >>>>>>> 5. more.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
> >>>>>>>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
> >>>>>>>>>> fact at flat?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
>>>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>>>>>>>>>> e....
>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
>>>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
>>>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
>>>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
>>>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
>>>>>>>> insanity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
>>>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does.
>>>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
>>>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
>>>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
>>>
>>> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
>>> universal interval of time.
>> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
>> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.
>
> The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so
> you tried to bullshit your way out.

No, Ken.
The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.

There is no value in rebutting and unfounded statements by know-nothing
loons, and there is no value in answering questions from know-nothing loons
who won’t read a first-year physics book.

>>>>>>
>>>>>> See? You’re insane. You literally know NOTHING about what SR and GR
>>>>>> actually say, so you make it up. That’s insanity.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you see, you don’t understand your own religion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you decide to make things up, even though you can’t do first-year
>>>>>> physics and you don’t even know what the words mean. That’s insane
>>>>>> behavior.h
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s your problem: You accepted that current physics is religion.....so
>>>>> you claimed that any other alternatives are faulty.
>>>> No, I’ve only determined that alternatives produced by a crazy loon will be
>>>> certainly faulty.
>>>
>>> All viable alternative are come up by individual who is a little out of the main stream.
>> Bullshit. That’s a historical fiction. Where did you EVER get the idea that
>> landmark ideas come from people out of the mainstream?
>>> Why? Because that’s what gives them the crazy but valid idea. And that’s
>>> why indoctrinate physicists failed to come up with a valid theory of
>>> gravity because they have no crazy ideas after 110 years of trying.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+
>>>>>>> periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
>>>>>>> 3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
>>>>>>>> .
>>>> t of >>>> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a
>>>> crazy loon who thinks like
>>>>>>>> that. Grow up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
>>>>>>>>>>>> a crazy loon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
>>>>>>>>>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
>>>>>>>>>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
>>>>>>>>> the following features:
>>>>>>>>> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
>>>>>>>>> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
>>>>>>>>> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
>>>>>>>>> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
>>>>>>>>> 5. more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
>>>>>>>>>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
>>>>>>>>>>>> fact at flat?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:54:40 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail..com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
> >>>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> >>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> >>>>>>>>>>> e....
> >>>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> >>>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> >>>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> >>>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
> >>>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
> >>>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
> >>>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
> >>>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
> >>>>>>>> insanity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
> >>>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It does.
> >>>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
> >>>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
> >>>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
> >>>
> >>> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
> >>> universal interval of time.
> >> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
> >> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.
> >
> > The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so
> > you tried to bullshit your way out.
> No, Ken.
> The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
> physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
> questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.

Yeah I got it.....you are full of garbage
>
> There is no value in rebutting and unfounded statements by know-nothing
> loons, and there is no value in answering questions from know-nothing loons
> who won’t read a first-year physics book.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> See? You’re insane. You literally know NOTHING about what SR and GR
> >>>>>> actually say, so you make it up. That’s insanity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So you see, you don’t understand your own religion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you decide to make things up, even though you can’t do first-year
> >>>>>> physics and you don’t even know what the words mean. That’s insane
> >>>>>> behavior.h
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That’s your problem: You accepted that current physics is religion.....so
> >>>>> you claimed that any other alternatives are faulty.
> >>>> No, I’ve only determined that alternatives produced by a crazy loon will be
> >>>> certainly faulty.
> >>>
> >>> All viable alternative are come up by individual who is a little out of the main stream.
> >> Bullshit. That’s a historical fiction. Where did you EVER get the idea that
> >> landmark ideas come from people out of the mainstream?
> >>> Why? Because that’s what gives them the crazy but valid idea. And that’s
> >>> why indoctrinate physicists failed to come up with a valid theory of
> >>> gravity because they have no crazy ideas after 110 years of trying.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. They offset the GPS second before the launch to have 9,192,631,774+
> >>>>>>> periods of Cs 133 radiation.as the ground clock second.
> >>>>>>> 3. Then claim that the GPS second is the same as the ground clock second.
> >>>>>>>> .
> >>>> t of >>>> Ne GPS second to o one is going to listen to the ideas of a
> >>>> crazy loon who thinks like
> >>>>>>>> that. Grow up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And you expect people to take your ideas seriously, rather than coming from
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a crazy loon.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Idiot then you stay to be ignorant for another 110 years.....<sad>at
> >>>>>>>>>> I think theory world has been just fine ignoring the rants of crazy loons,
> >>>>>>>>>> even if the crazy loons splutter that they have revolutionary insights.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> How is it that MM is a rant? MM is a theory of everything that includes
> >>>>>>>>> the following features:
> >>>>>>>>> 1. It unify all the forces (including gravity).
> >>>>>>>>> 2. It has a valid theory of gravhity.
> >>>>>>>>> 3. It has a better explanation of the nuclear strong force.
> >>>>>>>>> 4. It has a new concept on the origin of the universe.
> >>>>>>>>> 5. more.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Would you also like to claim that man never landed on the moon, that Covid
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is just the flu being blown way out of proportion, and that the earth is in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fact at flat?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I agree these claims of yours are wrong.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >
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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 17:31 UTC

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:54:40 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> e....
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
>>>>>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
>>>>>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
>>>>>>>>>> insanity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
>>>>>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does.
>>>>>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
>>>>>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
>>>>>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
>>>>>
>>>>> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
>>>>> universal interval of time.
>>>> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
>>>> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.
>>>
>>> The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so
>>> you tried to bullshit your way out.
>> No, Ken.
>> The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
>> physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
>> questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.
>
> Yeah I got it.....you are full of garbage

You’ll notice that lashing out when people judge you correctly gets you
nowhere. You still don’t get answers to your questions. You still don’t
learn first-year physics. You still don’t know what the words even mean.


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 by: Ken Seto - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 20:20 UTC

On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 1:31:08 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:54:40 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> e....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
> >>>>>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
> >>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
> >>>>>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
> >>>>>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
> >>>>>>>>>> insanity.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
> >>>>>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It does.
> >>>>>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
> >>>>>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty..
> >>>>>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
> >>>>> universal interval of time.
> >>>> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
> >>>> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.
> >>>
> >>> The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so
> >>> you tried to bullshit your way out.
> >> No, Ken.
> >> The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
> >> physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
> >> questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.
> >
> > Yeah I got it.....you are full of garbage
> You’ll notice that lashing out when people judge you correctly gets you
> nowhere. You still don’t get answers to your questions. You still don’t
> learn first-year physics. You still don’t know what the words even mean.


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Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 1:31:08 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:54:40 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
>>>>>>>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It does.
>>>>>>>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
>>>>>>>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
>>>>>>>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
>>>>>>> universal interval of time.
>>>>>> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
>>>>>> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so
>>>>> you tried to bullshit your way out.
>>>> No, Ken.
>>>> The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
>>>> physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
>>>> questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.
>>>
>>> Yeah I got it.....you are full of garbage
>> You’ll notice that lashing out when people judge you correctly gets you
>> nowhere. You still don’t get answers to your questions. You still don’t
>> learn first-year physics. You still don’t know what the words even mean.
>
> You are not qualified to judge because you are just full of shit and all
> your postings are content free.


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 by: Ken Seto - Thu, 5 Aug 2021 12:30 UTC

On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 1:31:08 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:54:40 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretend
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground clock are in synch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> insanity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It does.
> >>>>>>>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
> >>>>>>>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
> >>>>>>>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
> >>>>>>> universal interval of time.
> >>>>>> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
> >>>>>> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so
> >>>>> you tried to bullshit your way out.
> >>>> No, Ken.
> >>>> The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
> >>>> physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
> >>>> questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah I got it.....you are full of garbage
> >> You’ll notice that lashing out when people judge you correctly gets you
> >> nowhere. You still don’t get answers to your questions. You still don’t
> >> learn first-year physics. You still don’t know what the words even mean.
> >
> > You are not qualified to judge because you are just full of shit and all
> > your postings are content free.
> And yet you ARE judged, by everyone here, as a senile loon who doesn’t know
> the first thing about physics.
>
> And you can sniff all you want that nobody is in a position to judge you,
> but it doesn’t change a thing, does it?


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Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 1:31:08 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:54:40 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that represents the same amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that someone with good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It does.
>>>>>>>>>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
>>>>>>>>>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
>>>>>>>>> universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
>>>>>>>> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so
>>>>>>> you tried to bullshit your way out.
>>>>>> No, Ken.
>>>>>> The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
>>>>>> physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
>>>>>> questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I got it.....you are full of garbage
>>>> You’ll notice that lashing out when people judge you correctly gets you
>>>> nowhere. You still don’t get answers to your questions. You still don’t
>>>> learn first-year physics. You still don’t know what the words even mean.
>>>
>>> You are not qualified to judge because you are just full of shit and all
>>> your postings are content free.
>> And yet you ARE judged, by everyone here, as a senile loon who doesn’t know
>> the first thing about physics.
>>
>> And you can sniff all you want that nobody is in a position to judge you,
>> but it doesn’t change a thing, does it?
>
> so you represent everybody? I don’t think so.


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From: setoke...@gmail.com (Ken Seto)
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 by: Ken Seto - Thu, 5 Aug 2021 15:59 UTC

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 10:45:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 1:31:08 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:54:40 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that represents the same amount
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second in different frame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clocks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different amount of clock time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretend
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense. Of course,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that someone with good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground clock are in synch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It does.
> >>>>>>>>>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
> >>>>>>>>>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time..
> >>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
> >>>>>>>>>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
> >>>>>>>>> universal interval of time.
> >>>>>>>> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
> >>>>>>>> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so
> >>>>>>> you tried to bullshit your way out.
> >>>>>> No, Ken.
> >>>>>> The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
> >>>>>> physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
> >>>>>> questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah I got it.....you are full of garbage
> >>>> You’ll notice that lashing out when people judge you correctly gets you
> >>>> nowhere. You still don’t get answers to your questions. You still don’t
> >>>> learn first-year physics. You still don’t know what the words even mean.
> >>>
> >>> You are not qualified to judge because you are just full of shit and all
> >>> your postings are content free.
> >> And yet you ARE judged, by everyone here, as a senile loon who doesn’t know
> >> the first thing about physics.
> >>
> >> And you can sniff all you want that nobody is in a position to judge you,
> >> but it doesn’t change a thing, does it?
> >
> > so you represent everybody? I don’t think so.
> And it is STILL true that NOBODY you have approached takes your ideas
> seriously.
> >>
> >> I mean, what’s changed since you published your book? Anything? Any fame?
> >> Any recognition? Anything other than poverty and ridicule?
> >
> > They are too embarrassed to say anything about MM. Why? Because MM is a superior theory
> And even if this massive conspiracy to persecute you were true, rather than
> just paranoid egomaniacal martyr delusions, what would change? Would you
> ever get any recognition? Any fame? Any wealth? Anything other than poverty
> and ridicule?


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Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 10:45:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 1:31:08 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:54:40 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:36:07 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that represents the same amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second in different frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that someone with good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground clock are in synch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Ken, what you’re doing now is insanity. You’re saying you know why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did it, but they covered up the real reason in all that public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. And you’re saying you know why they did it, even though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t figure out first-year physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot, physicists are grounded in the faulty concept of SR/GR that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock second is a universal interval of time...it is not. The reason why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they invented this faulty concept is to protect the faulty SR/GR concept
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, this is insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don’t understand it, so you gloss over and call it insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Ken, it’s just insanity to claim that a design was built on principle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but then covered up in all the documentation, and that tens of thousands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists and engineers have kept it all hush-hush for decades. That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is insanity is as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. SR/GR claims that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn’t. It’s your insanity that you think it does claim that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does.
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it really doesn’t. There is NOTHING in SR or GR that makes any claim
>>>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever that a clock second is a universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn’t then the concept of time dilation is faulty.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you’d have to prove why. So far you haven’t done that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You first, to prove that time dilation exists if a clock second is not a
>>>>>>>>>>> universal interval of time.
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. You’re a know-nothing loon. There’s no value in rebutting wild
>>>>>>>>>> and unfounded statements by know-nothing loons.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The bullshit is on your part. You got no answer to a simple question so
>>>>>>>>> you tried to bullshit your way out.
>>>>>>>> No, Ken.
>>>>>>>> The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
>>>>>>>> physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
>>>>>>>> questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah I got it.....you are full of garbage
>>>>>> You’ll notice that lashing out when people judge you correctly gets you
>>>>>> nowhere. You still don’t get answers to your questions. You still don’t
>>>>>> learn first-year physics. You still don’t know what the words even mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are not qualified to judge because you are just full of shit and all
>>>>> your postings are content free.
>>>> And yet you ARE judged, by everyone here, as a senile loon who doesn’t know
>>>> the first thing about physics.
>>>>
>>>> And you can sniff all you want that nobody is in a position to judge you,
>>>> but it doesn’t change a thing, does it?
>>>
>>> so you represent everybody? I don’t think so.
>> And it is STILL true that NOBODY you have approached takes your ideas
>> seriously.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, what’s changed since you published your book? Anything? Any fame?
>>>> Any recognition? Anything other than poverty and ridicule?
>>>
>>> They are too embarrassed to say anything about MM. Why? Because MM is a superior theory
>> And even if this massive conspiracy to persecute you were true, rather than
>> just paranoid egomaniacal martyr delusions, what would change? Would you
>> ever get any recognition? Any fame? Any wealth? Anything other than poverty
>> and ridicule?
>
> All revolutions are hard. Otherwise, what I discovered would have already been discovered.


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On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:17:48 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> No revolutions have ever been instigated by someone uneducated in the
> field. Ever. Not once.

Except the one started by your idiot guru.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Thu, 5 Aug 2021 17:09 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:17:48 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> No revolutions have ever been instigated by someone uneducated in the
>> field. Ever. Not once.
>
> Except the one started by your idiot guru.
>

Nope, idiot. Einstein was educated in the field. He was not an uneducated
outsider.

Seto is an uneducated outsider and he thinks that’s an advantage. That’s
insanity.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Thu, 5 Aug 2021 17:20 UTC

On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:09:59 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:17:48 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> No revolutions have ever been instigated by someone uneducated in the
> >> field. Ever. Not once.
> >
> > Except the one started by your idiot guru.
> >
> Nope, idiot. Einstein was educated in the field. He was not an uneducated
> outsider.

An idiot woodworker has said!!! Must be true.

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 by: Python - Thu, 5 Aug 2021 17:29 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:09:59 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:17:48 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> No revolutions have ever been instigated by someone uneducated in the
>>>> field. Ever. Not once.
>>>
>>> Except the one started by your idiot guru.
>>>
>> Nope, idiot. Einstein was educated in the field. He was not an uneducated
>> outsider.
>
> An idiot woodworker has said!!! Must be true.

As all of your previous lies, Maciej, this one can be confronted
with verifiable facts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Early_life_and_education

What is your point in spreading lies, Maciej?

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Thu, 5 Aug 2021 19:15 UTC

On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:29:01 UTC+2, Python wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:09:59 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:17:48 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> No revolutions have ever been instigated by someone uneducated in the
> >>>> field. Ever. Not once.
> >>>
> >>> Except the one started by your idiot guru.
> >>>
> >> Nope, idiot. Einstein was educated in the field. He was not an uneducated
> >> outsider.
> >
> > An idiot woodworker has said!!! Must be true.
> As all of your previous lies, Maciej, this one can be confronted
> with verifiable facts:

Verifiable facts are - your idiot guru didn't even know
the definition of "second".

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On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 1:09:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:17:48 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> No revolutions have ever been instigated by someone uneducated in the
> >> field. Ever. Not once.
> >
> > Except the one started by your idiot guru.
> >
> Nope, idiot. Einstein was educated in the field. He was not an uneducated
> outsider.
>
> Seto is an uneducated outsider and he thinks that’s an advantage. That’s
> insanity.

Millions of physicists are educated. Why haven’t they create a valid theory of quantum gravity? WHY an uneducated Chemical engineer was able to do so?

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Fri, 6 Aug 2021 14:49 UTC

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 1:09:59 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:17:48 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> No revolutions have ever been instigated by someone uneducated in the
>>>> field. Ever. Not once.
>>>
>>> Except the one started by your idiot guru.
>>>
>> Nope, idiot. Einstein was educated in the field. He was not an uneducated
>> outsider.
>>
>> Seto is an uneducated outsider and he thinks that’s an advantage. That’s
>> insanity.
>
> Millions of physicists are educated. Why haven’t they create a valid
> theory of quantum gravity? WHY an uneducated Chemical engineer was able to do so?
>
>

No, an uneducated retired chemical engineer was not able to create a theory
of quantum gravity, because you do not know what “theory” or “quantum” or
even “gravity” mean in physics. It is an empty claim based on stringing
together physics words that you think sound cool.

No uneducated outsider has ever instigated a revolutionary idea in physics.
Ever. And to think that you’re the first is insane.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Subject: Re: local time
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 11:39:22 -0400
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 by: Michael Moroney - Fri, 6 Aug 2021 15:39 UTC

On 8/4/2021 4:20 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 1:31:08 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:54:40 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> No, Ken.
>>>> The problem is that you’re a know-nothing loon who won’t bother to read any
>>>> physics to learn anything and instead expects to be able to ask basic
>>>> questions on a newsgroup and get the answers there instead.
>>>
>>> Yeah I got it.....you are full of garbage

>> You’ll notice that lashing out when people judge you correctly gets you
>> nowhere. You still don’t get answers to your questions. You still don’t
>> learn first-year physics. You still don’t know what the words even mean.
>
> You are not qualified to judge because you are just full of shit and all your postings are content free.

And you are certainly not qualified to dismiss existing physics because
you don't know even high school level physics, nor math beyond the third
grade level. Plus you are full of shit.


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