What were you looking for easter eggs?

Since denormalized float numbers use a marker exponent,
the following also holds for denormalized floats:

x = y iff s = s' & m = m' & e = e'

You would only get multiple equal float numbers, if the
marker exponent were somewhere in the range of

normalized numbers. But I dont think this is the case.

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:09:31 UTC+2:
> IEEE equality means bit equality, if the number is not NaN or -0.
> So there is only one other float number y being equal as some
> other float number x.
>
> Basically a float number is:
>
> s*m*2^e, where s is the sign, m is the mantissa and e is the exponent.
>
> float numbers different from zero and not in the denormalized
> range are normed so that m is in the range [1,2). As a result you
> have for:
>
> x = s*m*2^e
>
> y = s'*m'*2^e'
>
> That:
>
> x = y iff s = s' & m = m' & e = e'
>
> Since norming means m is in the range [1,2), only m-1 is stored, the one
> before the period is not stored. Denormalized floats are used for a few
> small numbers by setting the exponent to a marker value and
>
> the full m is stored.
> Chris M. Thomasson schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 21:43:34 UTC+2:
> > On 8/8/2021 2:28 AM, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> > > Thats called Olcotting, bringing computer code into
> > > mathematics. But the domains Q, R, etc.. have nothing
> > >
> > > to do with the domain of floating point numbers in
> > > the computer. Already Q, R, etc.. do not have
> > >
> > > some MIN or MAX, whereas 64-bit computer floats have.
> > > Their range is somewhere inside -2^1024..2^1024.
> > I remember doing this for a process that created reams of data. It was
> > interesting to me to see how many floating points were deemed equal to
> > each other without using an epsilon for testing equality.
> > >
> > >> Fwiw, I remember breaking them apart using floating point, so it was
> > >> something like:
> > >>
> > >> a <= b:
> > >>
> > >> if (a < b) return true;
> > >>
> > >> if (a == b)
> > >> {
> > >> // increment counter for equality without using
> > >> // an epsilon for the comparison, interesting!
> > >> return true;
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> return false;
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> So, I would take a look at the counter that records the number of times
> > >> (a == b) was true. Sometimes it would be greater than zero... ;^)

What can happen, that you have denormalized floats
disabled, but your input contains denormalized floats,
or your computation yields denormalized floats.

Then if you compare this many numbers, they can
appear to be all equal to zero. Some optimzations flags
sometimes disable denormalized floats,

which can result in unexpected behaviour if for
example data is exchanged. You can read about it
here, sorry John Gabriel, its on Wikipedia:

"The effect of DAZ is to treat denormal input arguments to
floating-point operations as zero, and the effect of FTZ is to
return zero instead of a denormal float for operations that
would result in a denormal float, even if the input arguments
are not themselves denormal."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denormal_number#Disabling_denormal_floats_at_the_code_level

Have Fun!

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:16:03 UTC+2:
> What were you looking for easter eggs?
>
> Since denormalized float numbers use a marker exponent,
> the following also holds for denormalized floats:
> x = y iff s = s' & m = m' & e = e'
> You would only get multiple equal float numbers, if the
> marker exponent were somewhere in the range of
>
> normalized numbers. But I dont think this is the case.
> Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:09:31 UTC+2:
> > IEEE equality means bit equality, if the number is not NaN or -0.
> > So there is only one other float number y being equal as some
> > other float number x.
> >
> > Basically a float number is:
> >
> > s*m*2^e, where s is the sign, m is the mantissa and e is the exponent.
> >
> > float numbers different from zero and not in the denormalized
> > range are normed so that m is in the range [1,2). As a result you
> > have for:
> >
> > x = s*m*2^e
> >
> > y = s'*m'*2^e'
> >
> > That:
> >
> > x = y iff s = s' & m = m' & e = e'
> >
> > Since norming means m is in the range [1,2), only m-1 is stored, the one
> > before the period is not stored. Denormalized floats are used for a few
> > small numbers by setting the exponent to a marker value and
> >
> > the full m is stored.
> > Chris M. Thomasson schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 21:43:34 UTC+2:
> > > On 8/8/2021 2:28 AM, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> > > > Thats called Olcotting, bringing computer code into
> > > > mathematics. But the domains Q, R, etc.. have nothing
> > > >
> > > > to do with the domain of floating point numbers in
> > > > the computer. Already Q, R, etc.. do not have
> > > >
> > > > some MIN or MAX, whereas 64-bit computer floats have.
> > > > Their range is somewhere inside -2^1024..2^1024.
> > > I remember doing this for a process that created reams of data. It was
> > > interesting to me to see how many floating points were deemed equal to
> > > each other without using an epsilon for testing equality.
> > > >
> > > >> Fwiw, I remember breaking them apart using floating point, so it was
> > > >> something like:
> > > >>
> > > >> a <= b:
> > > >>
> > > >> if (a < b) return true;
> > > >>
> > > >> if (a == b)
> > > >> {
> > > >> // increment counter for equality without using
> > > >> // an epsilon for the comparison, interesting!
> > > >> return true;
> > > >> }
> > > >>
> > > >> return false;
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> So, I would take a look at the counter that records the number of times
> > > >> (a == b) was true. Sometimes it would be greater than zero... ;^)

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 5:22:47 AM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> Reading of mRNA involves tRNA:
>
> "After transcription and maturation, the mature mRNA
> formed encompasses multiple parts important for its
> eventual translation into protein. The coding region in
> an mRNA is flanked by the 5' untranslated region
> (5'-UTR) and 3' untranslated region (3'-UTR),[1] the 5' cap,
> and Poly-A tail. During translation, the ribosome facilitates
> the attachment of the tRNAs to the coding region, 3 nucleotides
> at a time (codons).[14] The tRNAs transfer their associated
> amino acids to the growing polypeptide chain, eventually
> forming the protein defined in the initial DNA coding region."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coding_region#Structure_and_function
> Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:11:30 UTC+2:
> > There is also kind of "locking mechanism", so that mRNA doesn't
> > get into the trash bin while it is used. mRNA which is currently
> > used in a protein translation is blocked from decay:
> >
> > Eukaryotic mRNA turnover
> > Inside eukaryotic cells, there is a balance between the processes
> > of translation and mRNA decay. Messages that are being actively
> > translated are bound by ribosomes, the eukaryotic initiation factors
> > eIF-4E and eIF-4G, and poly(A)-binding protein. eIF-4E and eIF-4G
> > block the decapping enzyme (DCP2), and poly(A)-binding protein
> > blocks the exosome complex, protecting the ends of the message.
> > The balance between translation and decay is reflected in the size
> > and abundance of cytoplasmic structures known as P-bodies
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Eukaryotic_mRNA_turnover
> >
> > If both ends of the message are protected, there is possibly
> > no destroy while read. How is a message even read? In a
> > biological soup, there is no need to read it in a specific direction,
> > could be some parallel processing.
> > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:02:26 UTC+2:
> > > Degradation is very similar to a sequence 0.9, 0.99, 0.999, etc..
> > > What gets smaller and smaller is the difference to 1, which is:
> > >
> > > 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, etc..
> > >
> > > No wonder John Gabriel doesn't understand mRNA degradation,
> > > he even doesn't understand 0.999... = 1.
> > >
> > > Possibly a brain damage or something, that he lacks any
> > > understanding of degradation.
> > >
> > > LMAO!
> > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:59:26 UTC+2:
> > > > mRNA is not read-once:
> > > >
> > > > "The greater the stability of an mRNA the more protein may
> > > > be produced from that mRNA. The limited lifetime of mRNA
> > > > enables a cell to alter protein synthesis rapidly in response to
> > > > its changing needs. There are many mechanisms that lead to
> > > > the destruction of an mRNA, some of which are described below."
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation
> > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:45:31 UTC+2:
> > > > > Nope, they are not self destroying messages, that
> > > > > destroy themselves while reading.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a kind of a "trash bin" in the cell. They go there,
> > > > > the "trash bin" is called P body:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-bodies
> > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:32:40 UTC+2:
> > > > > > That is almost correct. mRNA is degraded by the cell itself as the message is deciphered.

What does it do for M and N proteins? The Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine
at least has a reasonably well-detailed mechanism for "the other half" of
the ('original') COVID-19 infection.

Let's separate "mRNA the messenger RNA" and "miRNA's: 'micro-RNA bits'".

.... the accumulation of which causes ER stress and lipofuscin.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.12766

"MicroRNAs are small non-coding RNAs...".

herpes boy was thinking hard and then scriveld:
> What does it do for M and N proteins?

Nothing, M and N proteins participate intracellular
in production and release of virus-like particles.
The ModeRNA vaccine produces only the S protein,
which is secreted by the cell, it doesn't produce some

full virus-like particles. The S protein is the antigen,
which causes antibody production. The same
antibody can later attack virus-like particles that
have the S protein, and hinder them from cell entry.

It would be possible that an mRNA produces
another protein than S protein. But studies have
found that the S protein is the most effective.
Kind of the Achilles' heel of the virus.

(Think I posted a paper few days/weeks ago
saying exactly that)

Ross A. Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:28:41 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 5:22:47 AM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> > Reading of mRNA involves tRNA:
> >
> > "After transcription and maturation, the mature mRNA
> > formed encompasses multiple parts important for its
> > eventual translation into protein. The coding region in
> > an mRNA is flanked by the 5' untranslated region
> > (5'-UTR) and 3' untranslated region (3'-UTR),[1] the 5' cap,
> > and Poly-A tail. During translation, the ribosome facilitates
> > the attachment of the tRNAs to the coding region, 3 nucleotides
> > at a time (codons).[14] The tRNAs transfer their associated
> > amino acids to the growing polypeptide chain, eventually
> > forming the protein defined in the initial DNA coding region."
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coding_region#Structure_and_function
> > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:11:30 UTC+2:
> > > There is also kind of "locking mechanism", so that mRNA doesn't
> > > get into the trash bin while it is used. mRNA which is currently
> > > used in a protein translation is blocked from decay:
> > >
> > > Eukaryotic mRNA turnover
> > > Inside eukaryotic cells, there is a balance between the processes
> > > of translation and mRNA decay. Messages that are being actively
> > > translated are bound by ribosomes, the eukaryotic initiation factors
> > > eIF-4E and eIF-4G, and poly(A)-binding protein. eIF-4E and eIF-4G
> > > block the decapping enzyme (DCP2), and poly(A)-binding protein
> > > blocks the exosome complex, protecting the ends of the message.
> > > The balance between translation and decay is reflected in the size
> > > and abundance of cytoplasmic structures known as P-bodies
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Eukaryotic_mRNA_turnover
> > >
> > > If both ends of the message are protected, there is possibly
> > > no destroy while read. How is a message even read? In a
> > > biological soup, there is no need to read it in a specific direction,
> > > could be some parallel processing.
> > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:02:26 UTC+2:
> > > > Degradation is very similar to a sequence 0.9, 0.99, 0.999, etc..
> > > > What gets smaller and smaller is the difference to 1, which is:
> > > >
> > > > 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, etc..
> > > >
> > > > No wonder John Gabriel doesn't understand mRNA degradation,
> > > > he even doesn't understand 0.999... = 1.
> > > >
> > > > Possibly a brain damage or something, that he lacks any
> > > > understanding of degradation.
> > > >
> > > > LMAO!
> > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:59:26 UTC+2:
> > > > > mRNA is not read-once:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The greater the stability of an mRNA the more protein may
> > > > > be produced from that mRNA. The limited lifetime of mRNA
> > > > > enables a cell to alter protein synthesis rapidly in response to
> > > > > its changing needs. There are many mechanisms that lead to
> > > > > the destruction of an mRNA, some of which are described below."
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation
> > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:45:31 UTC+2:
> > > > > > Nope, they are not self destroying messages, that
> > > > > > destroy themselves while reading.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a kind of a "trash bin" in the cell. They go there,
> > > > > > the "trash bin" is called P body:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-bodies
> > > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:32:40 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > That is almost correct. mRNA is degraded by the cell itself as the message is deciphered.
> What does it do for M and N proteins? The Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine
> at least has a reasonably well-detailed mechanism for "the other half" of
> the ('original') COVID-19 infection.
>
> Let's separate "mRNA the messenger RNA" and "miRNA's: 'micro-RNA bits'".
>
> ... the accumulation of which causes ER stress and lipofuscin.
>
> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.12766
>
> "MicroRNAs are small non-coding RNAs...".

But things are more complicated I guess. This is am interesting
old interview (By Tanya Lewis, Scientific American, 25 May 20):

Early Coronavirus Immunity Data Fuel Promise for a Vaccine
"Importantly, the researchers observed a strong T cell response
to the “spike” protein the virus uses to bind to and infect cells
(and which most vaccine candidates target)."
https://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/63104-early-coronavirus-immunity-data-fuel-promise-for-a-vaccine

But what the heck are T cells? From the same article:

"Quite a few labs around the world have looked at antibody
responses. Those are generally easier to measure and
look at. But really, there are three parts of the adaptive
immune system: you’ve basically got antibodies, you’ve
got helper T cells, and you’ve got killer T cells. The T cells
are tougher to measure, but they do really important things.
You’ve got to have the helper T cells to get an antibody response.
For example, in animal models, [helper T cells] are important
for protecting against [severe acute respiratory syndrome
(SARS)]. And the killer T cells are important for most viral
infections. You don’t want to go forward without understanding
anything about the T cell response. And [Sette] is the world’s
expert in predicting and identifying T cell [targets], particularly
in humans. So we collaborated to get COVID-19 patient blood
¨samples as quickly as possible and to try and get information
about those questions. We mostly have concluded it’s good
news: things have largely looked the ways we would expect."

What was the good news?

"Separately, this week the company Moderna announced early
results from a trial of its coronavirus vaccine candidate: eight
individuals who have received the vaccine produced antibodies
to the virus at levels similar to those of people who had the disease."

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:40:42 UTC+2:
> herpes boy was thinking hard and then scriveld:
> > What does it do for M and N proteins?
> Nothing, M and N proteins participate intracellular
> in production and release of virus-like particles.
> The ModeRNA vaccine produces only the S protein,
> which is secreted by the cell, it doesn't produce some
>
> full virus-like particles. The S protein is the antigen,
> which causes antibody production. The same
> antibody can later attack virus-like particles that
> have the S protein, and hinder them from cell entry.
>
> It would be possible that an mRNA produces
> another protein than S protein. But studies have
> found that the S protein is the most effective.
> Kind of the Achilles' heel of the virus.
>
> (Think I posted a paper few days/weeks ago
> saying exactly that)
> Ross A. Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:28:41 UTC+2:
> > On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 5:22:47 AM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> > > Reading of mRNA involves tRNA:
> > >
> > > "After transcription and maturation, the mature mRNA
> > > formed encompasses multiple parts important for its
> > > eventual translation into protein. The coding region in
> > > an mRNA is flanked by the 5' untranslated region
> > > (5'-UTR) and 3' untranslated region (3'-UTR),[1] the 5' cap,
> > > and Poly-A tail. During translation, the ribosome facilitates
> > > the attachment of the tRNAs to the coding region, 3 nucleotides
> > > at a time (codons).[14] The tRNAs transfer their associated
> > > amino acids to the growing polypeptide chain, eventually
> > > forming the protein defined in the initial DNA coding region."
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coding_region#Structure_and_function
> > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:11:30 UTC+2:
> > > > There is also kind of "locking mechanism", so that mRNA doesn't
> > > > get into the trash bin while it is used. mRNA which is currently
> > > > used in a protein translation is blocked from decay:
> > > >
> > > > Eukaryotic mRNA turnover
> > > > Inside eukaryotic cells, there is a balance between the processes
> > > > of translation and mRNA decay. Messages that are being actively
> > > > translated are bound by ribosomes, the eukaryotic initiation factors
> > > > eIF-4E and eIF-4G, and poly(A)-binding protein. eIF-4E and eIF-4G
> > > > block the decapping enzyme (DCP2), and poly(A)-binding protein
> > > > blocks the exosome complex, protecting the ends of the message.
> > > > The balance between translation and decay is reflected in the size
> > > > and abundance of cytoplasmic structures known as P-bodies
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Eukaryotic_mRNA_turnover
> > > >
> > > > If both ends of the message are protected, there is possibly
> > > > no destroy while read. How is a message even read? In a
> > > > biological soup, there is no need to read it in a specific direction,
> > > > could be some parallel processing.
> > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:02:26 UTC+2:
> > > > > Degradation is very similar to a sequence 0.9, 0.99, 0.999, etc..
> > > > > What gets smaller and smaller is the difference to 1, which is:
> > > > >
> > > > > 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, etc..
> > > > >
> > > > > No wonder John Gabriel doesn't understand mRNA degradation,
> > > > > he even doesn't understand 0.999... = 1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Possibly a brain damage or something, that he lacks any
> > > > > understanding of degradation.
> > > > >
> > > > > LMAO!
> > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:59:26 UTC+2:
> > > > > > mRNA is not read-once:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The greater the stability of an mRNA the more protein may
> > > > > > be produced from that mRNA. The limited lifetime of mRNA
> > > > > > enables a cell to alter protein synthesis rapidly in response to
> > > > > > its changing needs. There are many mechanisms that lead to
> > > > > > the destruction of an mRNA, some of which are described below."
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation
> > > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:45:31 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > Nope, they are not self destroying messages, that
> > > > > > > destroy themselves while reading.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a kind of a "trash bin" in the cell. They go there,
> > > > > > > the "trash bin" is called P body:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-bodies
> > > > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:32:40 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > That is almost correct. mRNA is degraded by the cell itself as the message is deciphered.
> > What does it do for M and N proteins? The Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine
> > at least has a reasonably well-detailed mechanism for "the other half" of
> > the ('original') COVID-19 infection.
> >
> > Let's separate "mRNA the messenger RNA" and "miRNA's: 'micro-RNA bits'"..
> >
> > ... the accumulation of which causes ER stress and lipofuscin.
> >
> > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.12766
> >
> > "MicroRNAs are small non-coding RNAs...".

Credits: I found the article on sci.physics(*), was looking what
I posted there, but then found somebody having posted
the 25 May 20 interview. The interview closes with:

"In this particular case, it so happens that it’s a good target
for all three different types of immune response—which
bodes well for people that are developing the spike-based
vaccines. At the same time, our data found that there were
responses also against other pieces of the virus, which opens
the way to thinking that maybe these other pieces could
also be included to further fortify a vaccine concept."

(*)
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/_uJV3PsqTVE/m/CSh_8MD8BAAJ

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 23:02:10 UTC+2:
> But things are more complicated I guess. This is am interesting
> old interview (By Tanya Lewis, Scientific American, 25 May 20):
>
> Early Coronavirus Immunity Data Fuel Promise for a Vaccine
> "Importantly, the researchers observed a strong T cell response
> to the “spike” protein the virus uses to bind to and infect cells
> (and which most vaccine candidates target)."
> https://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/63104-early-coronavirus-immunity-data-fuel-promise-for-a-vaccine
>
> But what the heck are T cells? From the same article:
>
> "Quite a few labs around the world have looked at antibody
> responses. Those are generally easier to measure and
> look at. But really, there are three parts of the adaptive
> immune system: you’ve basically got antibodies, you’ve
> got helper T cells, and you’ve got killer T cells. The T cells
> are tougher to measure, but they do really important things.
> You’ve got to have the helper T cells to get an antibody response..
> For example, in animal models, [helper T cells] are important
> for protecting against [severe acute respiratory syndrome
> (SARS)]. And the killer T cells are important for most viral
> infections. You don’t want to go forward without understanding
> anything about the T cell response. And [Sette] is the world’s
> expert in predicting and identifying T cell [targets], particularly
> in humans. So we collaborated to get COVID-19 patient blood
> ¨samples as quickly as possible and to try and get information
> about those questions. We mostly have concluded it’s good
> news: things have largely looked the ways we would expect."
>
> What was the good news?
>
> "Separately, this week the company Moderna announced early
> results from a trial of its coronavirus vaccine candidate: eight
> individuals who have received the vaccine produced antibodies
> to the virus at levels similar to those of people who had the disease."
> Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:40:42 UTC+2:
> > herpes boy was thinking hard and then scriveld:
> > > What does it do for M and N proteins?
> > Nothing, M and N proteins participate intracellular
> > in production and release of virus-like particles.
> > The ModeRNA vaccine produces only the S protein,
> > which is secreted by the cell, it doesn't produce some
> >
> > full virus-like particles. The S protein is the antigen,
> > which causes antibody production. The same
> > antibody can later attack virus-like particles that
> > have the S protein, and hinder them from cell entry.
> >
> > It would be possible that an mRNA produces
> > another protein than S protein. But studies have
> > found that the S protein is the most effective.
> > Kind of the Achilles' heel of the virus.
> >
> > (Think I posted a paper few days/weeks ago
> > saying exactly that)
> > Ross A. Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:28:41 UTC+2:
> > > On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 5:22:47 AM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> > > > Reading of mRNA involves tRNA:
> > > >
> > > > "After transcription and maturation, the mature mRNA
> > > > formed encompasses multiple parts important for its
> > > > eventual translation into protein. The coding region in
> > > > an mRNA is flanked by the 5' untranslated region
> > > > (5'-UTR) and 3' untranslated region (3'-UTR),[1] the 5' cap,
> > > > and Poly-A tail. During translation, the ribosome facilitates
> > > > the attachment of the tRNAs to the coding region, 3 nucleotides
> > > > at a time (codons).[14] The tRNAs transfer their associated
> > > > amino acids to the growing polypeptide chain, eventually
> > > > forming the protein defined in the initial DNA coding region."
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coding_region#Structure_and_function
> > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:11:30 UTC+2:
> > > > > There is also kind of "locking mechanism", so that mRNA doesn't
> > > > > get into the trash bin while it is used. mRNA which is currently
> > > > > used in a protein translation is blocked from decay:
> > > > >
> > > > > Eukaryotic mRNA turnover
> > > > > Inside eukaryotic cells, there is a balance between the processes
> > > > > of translation and mRNA decay. Messages that are being actively
> > > > > translated are bound by ribosomes, the eukaryotic initiation factors
> > > > > eIF-4E and eIF-4G, and poly(A)-binding protein. eIF-4E and eIF-4G
> > > > > block the decapping enzyme (DCP2), and poly(A)-binding protein
> > > > > blocks the exosome complex, protecting the ends of the message.
> > > > > The balance between translation and decay is reflected in the size
> > > > > and abundance of cytoplasmic structures known as P-bodies
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Eukaryotic_mRNA_turnover
> > > > >
> > > > > If both ends of the message are protected, there is possibly
> > > > > no destroy while read. How is a message even read? In a
> > > > > biological soup, there is no need to read it in a specific direction,
> > > > > could be some parallel processing.
> > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:02:26 UTC+2:
> > > > > > Degradation is very similar to a sequence 0.9, 0.99, 0.999, etc...
> > > > > > What gets smaller and smaller is the difference to 1, which is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, etc..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No wonder John Gabriel doesn't understand mRNA degradation,
> > > > > > he even doesn't understand 0.999... = 1.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Possibly a brain damage or something, that he lacks any
> > > > > > understanding of degradation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LMAO!
> > > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:59:26 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > mRNA is not read-once:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The greater the stability of an mRNA the more protein may
> > > > > > > be produced from that mRNA. The limited lifetime of mRNA
> > > > > > > enables a cell to alter protein synthesis rapidly in response to
> > > > > > > its changing needs. There are many mechanisms that lead to
> > > > > > > the destruction of an mRNA, some of which are described below.."
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation
> > > > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:45:31 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > Nope, they are not self destroying messages, that
> > > > > > > > destroy themselves while reading.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is a kind of a "trash bin" in the cell. They go there,
> > > > > > > > the "trash bin" is called P body:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-bodies
> > > > > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:32:40 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > > That is almost correct. mRNA is degraded by the cell itself as the message is deciphered.
> > > What does it do for M and N proteins? The Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine
> > > at least has a reasonably well-detailed mechanism for "the other half" of
> > > the ('original') COVID-19 infection.
> > >
> > > Let's separate "mRNA the messenger RNA" and "miRNA's: 'micro-RNA bits'".
> > >
> > > ... the accumulation of which causes ER stress and lipofuscin.
> > >
> > > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.12766
> > >
> > > "MicroRNAs are small non-coding RNAs...".

Mostowski Collapse wrote:

> Credits: I found the article on sci.physics(*), was looking what I
> posted there, but then found somebody having posted the 25 May 20
> interview. The interview closes with:
>
> "In this particular case, it so happens that it’s a good target for all
> three different types of immune response—which bodes well for people
> that are developing the spike-based vaccines. At the same time, our data
> found that there were responses also against other pieces of the virus,
> which opens the way to thinking that maybe these other pieces could also
> be included to further fortify a vaccine concept."

Which explains why you were so stupid all the time. You didn't know this
simple thing.

https://seed126.bitchute.com/kDHBE5vylTdI/zDJVG3hq1TcE.mp4

So what was the time line from discovery, May 2020,
to approval in some country? Lets take Switzerland:

The operating license, a prerequisite for approval,
was issued to Moderna Switzerland GmbH on
January 9, 2021 after the company had provided
the necessary evidence. "With an establishment
license, the authorization holders assume responsibility
for the quality of their medicinal products and for
their monitoring," explains Philippe Girard, Deputy
Director of Swissmedic and Head of the Authorizations
Division. Swissmedic granted the license based, among
other things, on a successful inspection of Moderna's
Swiss headquarters.
https://www.swissmedic.ch/swissmedic/de/home/news/coronavirus-covid-19/zulassung-covid-19-impfstoff-moderna.html

So the price for approval was paying taxes in Switzerland.

LoL

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 23:12:51 UTC+2:
> Credits: I found the article on sci.physics(*), was looking what
> I posted there, but then found somebody having posted
> the 25 May 20 interview. The interview closes with:
>
> "In this particular case, it so happens that it’s a good target
> for all three different types of immune response—which
> bodes well for people that are developing the spike-based
> vaccines. At the same time, our data found that there were
> responses also against other pieces of the virus, which opens
> the way to thinking that maybe these other pieces could
> also be included to further fortify a vaccine concept."
>
> (*)
> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/_uJV3PsqTVE/m/CSh_8MD8BAAJ

But I guess my sarcasm is way over the head of paranoid
micro penis, who is on the brink of a mental meltdown.

LMAO!

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 23:28:12 UTC+2:
> So what was the time line from discovery, May 2020,
> to approval in some country? Lets take Switzerland:
>
> The operating license, a prerequisite for approval,
> was issued to Moderna Switzerland GmbH on
> January 9, 2021 after the company had provided
> the necessary evidence. "With an establishment
> license, the authorization holders assume responsibility
> for the quality of their medicinal products and for
> their monitoring," explains Philippe Girard, Deputy
> Director of Swissmedic and Head of the Authorizations
> Division. Swissmedic granted the license based, among
> other things, on a successful inspection of Moderna's
> Swiss headquarters.
> https://www.swissmedic.ch/swissmedic/de/home/news/coronavirus-covid-19/zulassung-covid-19-impfstoff-moderna.html
>
> So the price for approval was paying taxes in Switzerland.
>
> LoL
> Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 23:12:51 UTC+2:
> > Credits: I found the article on sci.physics(*), was looking what
> > I posted there, but then found somebody having posted
> > the 25 May 20 interview. The interview closes with:
> >
> > "In this particular case, it so happens that it’s a good target
> > for all three different types of immune response—which
> > bodes well for people that are developing the spike-based
> > vaccines. At the same time, our data found that there were
> > responses also against other pieces of the virus, which opens
> > the way to thinking that maybe these other pieces could
> > also be included to further fortify a vaccine concept."
> >
> > (*)
> > https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/_uJV3PsqTVE/m/CSh_8MD8BAAJ

Mostowski Collapse wrote:

> But I guess my sarcasm is way over the head of paranoid micro penis, who
> is on the brink of a mental meltdown.

You have a paranoid micro penis?? Who are you? Where is your Za Great
Reset. Stop believing that. They got exempted from all liabilities.
Because after Za great reset there will be no any moderna, no govs, no
tribunals, no people.

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:02:10 PM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> But things are more complicated I guess. This is am interesting
> old interview (By Tanya Lewis, Scientific American, 25 May 20):
>
> Early Coronavirus Immunity Data Fuel Promise for a Vaccine
> "Importantly, the researchers observed a strong T cell response
> to the “spike” protein the virus uses to bind to and infect cells
> (and which most vaccine candidates target)."
> https://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/63104-early-coronavirus-immunity-data-fuel-promise-for-a-vaccine
>
> But what the heck are T cells? From the same article:
>
> "Quite a few labs around the world have looked at antibody
> responses. Those are generally easier to measure and
> look at. But really, there are three parts of the adaptive
> immune system: you’ve basically got antibodies, you’ve
> got helper T cells, and you’ve got killer T cells. The T cells
> are tougher to measure, but they do really important things.
> You’ve got to have the helper T cells to get an antibody response..
> For example, in animal models, [helper T cells] are important
> for protecting against [severe acute respiratory syndrome
> (SARS)]. And the killer T cells are important for most viral
> infections. You don’t want to go forward without understanding
> anything about the T cell response. And [Sette] is the world’s
> expert in predicting and identifying T cell [targets], particularly
> in humans. So we collaborated to get COVID-19 patient blood
> ¨samples as quickly as possible and to try and get information
> about those questions. We mostly have concluded it’s good
> news: things have largely looked the ways we would expect."
>
> What was the good news?
>
> "Separately, this week the company Moderna announced early
> results from a trial of its coronavirus vaccine candidate: eight
> individuals who have received the vaccine produced antibodies
> to the virus at levels similar to those of people who had the disease."
> Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:40:42 UTC+2:
> > herpes boy was thinking hard and then scriveld:
> > > What does it do for M and N proteins?
> > Nothing, M and N proteins participate intracellular
> > in production and release of virus-like particles.
> > The ModeRNA vaccine produces only the S protein,
> > which is secreted by the cell, it doesn't produce some
> >
> > full virus-like particles. The S protein is the antigen,
> > which causes antibody production. The same
> > antibody can later attack virus-like particles that
> > have the S protein, and hinder them from cell entry.
> >
> > It would be possible that an mRNA produces
> > another protein than S protein. But studies have
> > found that the S protein is the most effective.
> > Kind of the Achilles' heel of the virus.
> >
> > (Think I posted a paper few days/weeks ago
> > saying exactly that)
> > Ross A. Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:28:41 UTC+2:
> > > On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 5:22:47 AM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> > > > Reading of mRNA involves tRNA:
> > > >
> > > > "After transcription and maturation, the mature mRNA
> > > > formed encompasses multiple parts important for its
> > > > eventual translation into protein. The coding region in
> > > > an mRNA is flanked by the 5' untranslated region
> > > > (5'-UTR) and 3' untranslated region (3'-UTR),[1] the 5' cap,
> > > > and Poly-A tail. During translation, the ribosome facilitates
> > > > the attachment of the tRNAs to the coding region, 3 nucleotides
> > > > at a time (codons).[14] The tRNAs transfer their associated
> > > > amino acids to the growing polypeptide chain, eventually
> > > > forming the protein defined in the initial DNA coding region."
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coding_region#Structure_and_function
> > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:11:30 UTC+2:
> > > > > There is also kind of "locking mechanism", so that mRNA doesn't
> > > > > get into the trash bin while it is used. mRNA which is currently
> > > > > used in a protein translation is blocked from decay:
> > > > >
> > > > > Eukaryotic mRNA turnover
> > > > > Inside eukaryotic cells, there is a balance between the processes
> > > > > of translation and mRNA decay. Messages that are being actively
> > > > > translated are bound by ribosomes, the eukaryotic initiation factors
> > > > > eIF-4E and eIF-4G, and poly(A)-binding protein. eIF-4E and eIF-4G
> > > > > block the decapping enzyme (DCP2), and poly(A)-binding protein
> > > > > blocks the exosome complex, protecting the ends of the message.
> > > > > The balance between translation and decay is reflected in the size
> > > > > and abundance of cytoplasmic structures known as P-bodies
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Eukaryotic_mRNA_turnover
> > > > >
> > > > > If both ends of the message are protected, there is possibly
> > > > > no destroy while read. How is a message even read? In a
> > > > > biological soup, there is no need to read it in a specific direction,
> > > > > could be some parallel processing.
> > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:02:26 UTC+2:
> > > > > > Degradation is very similar to a sequence 0.9, 0.99, 0.999, etc...
> > > > > > What gets smaller and smaller is the difference to 1, which is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, etc..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No wonder John Gabriel doesn't understand mRNA degradation,
> > > > > > he even doesn't understand 0.999... = 1.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Possibly a brain damage or something, that he lacks any
> > > > > > understanding of degradation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LMAO!
> > > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:59:26 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > mRNA is not read-once:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The greater the stability of an mRNA the more protein may
> > > > > > > be produced from that mRNA. The limited lifetime of mRNA
> > > > > > > enables a cell to alter protein synthesis rapidly in response to
> > > > > > > its changing needs. There are many mechanisms that lead to
> > > > > > > the destruction of an mRNA, some of which are described below.."
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation
> > > > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:45:31 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > Nope, they are not self destroying messages, that
> > > > > > > > destroy themselves while reading.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is a kind of a "trash bin" in the cell. They go there,
> > > > > > > > the "trash bin" is called P body:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-bodies
> > > > > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:32:40 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > > That is almost correct. mRNA is degraded by the cell itself as the message is deciphered.
> > > What does it do for M and N proteins? The Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine
> > > at least has a reasonably well-detailed mechanism for "the other half" of
> > > the ('original') COVID-19 infection.
> > >
> > > Let's separate "mRNA the messenger RNA" and "miRNA's: 'micro-RNA bits'".
> > >
> > > ... the accumulation of which causes ER stress and lipofuscin.
> > >
> > > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.12766
> > >
> > > "MicroRNAs are small non-coding RNAs...".

You know modern industry in molecular biology and
research in molecular biology aren't _necessarily_
the same thing, right....

"Recombinant" the word isn't used so much anymore.

Ever seen a stand up commedian, making sassy jokes,
getting paranoid like you do? You are worse than

John Gabriel and Archimedes Plutonium, who are
both the opposite of cool. Your posts are only cringe,

like from some child with finger paint.

LMAO!

Lamar Hesslen schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 23:38:56 UTC+2:
> Mostowski Collapse wrote:
>
> > But I guess my sarcasm is way over the head of paranoid micro penis, who
> > is on the brink of a mental meltdown.
> You have a paranoid micro penis?? Who are you? Where is your Za Great
> Reset. Stop believing that. They got exempted from all liabilities.
> Because after Za great reset there will be no any moderna, no govs, no
> tribunals, no people.

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:39:23 PM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:02:10 PM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> > But things are more complicated I guess. This is am interesting
> > old interview (By Tanya Lewis, Scientific American, 25 May 20):
> >
> > Early Coronavirus Immunity Data Fuel Promise for a Vaccine
> > "Importantly, the researchers observed a strong T cell response
> > to the “spike” protein the virus uses to bind to and infect cells
> > (and which most vaccine candidates target)."
> > https://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/63104-early-coronavirus-immunity-data-fuel-promise-for-a-vaccine
> >
> > But what the heck are T cells? From the same article:
> >
> > "Quite a few labs around the world have looked at antibody
> > responses. Those are generally easier to measure and
> > look at. But really, there are three parts of the adaptive
> > immune system: you’ve basically got antibodies, you’ve
> > got helper T cells, and you’ve got killer T cells. The T cells
> > are tougher to measure, but they do really important things.
> > You’ve got to have the helper T cells to get an antibody response.
> > For example, in animal models, [helper T cells] are important
> > for protecting against [severe acute respiratory syndrome
> > (SARS)]. And the killer T cells are important for most viral
> > infections. You don’t want to go forward without understanding
> > anything about the T cell response. And [Sette] is the world’s
> > expert in predicting and identifying T cell [targets], particularly
> > in humans. So we collaborated to get COVID-19 patient blood
> > ¨samples as quickly as possible and to try and get information
> > about those questions. We mostly have concluded it’s good
> > news: things have largely looked the ways we would expect."
> >
> > What was the good news?
> >
> > "Separately, this week the company Moderna announced early
> > results from a trial of its coronavirus vaccine candidate: eight
> > individuals who have received the vaccine produced antibodies
> > to the virus at levels similar to those of people who had the disease."
> > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:40:42 UTC+2:
> > > herpes boy was thinking hard and then scriveld:
> > > > What does it do for M and N proteins?
> > > Nothing, M and N proteins participate intracellular
> > > in production and release of virus-like particles.
> > > The ModeRNA vaccine produces only the S protein,
> > > which is secreted by the cell, it doesn't produce some
> > >
> > > full virus-like particles. The S protein is the antigen,
> > > which causes antibody production. The same
> > > antibody can later attack virus-like particles that
> > > have the S protein, and hinder them from cell entry.
> > >
> > > It would be possible that an mRNA produces
> > > another protein than S protein. But studies have
> > > found that the S protein is the most effective.
> > > Kind of the Achilles' heel of the virus.
> > >
> > > (Think I posted a paper few days/weeks ago
> > > saying exactly that)
> > > Ross A. Finlayson schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 22:28:41 UTC+2:
> > > > On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 5:22:47 AM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> > > > > Reading of mRNA involves tRNA:
> > > > >
> > > > > "After transcription and maturation, the mature mRNA
> > > > > formed encompasses multiple parts important for its
> > > > > eventual translation into protein. The coding region in
> > > > > an mRNA is flanked by the 5' untranslated region
> > > > > (5'-UTR) and 3' untranslated region (3'-UTR),[1] the 5' cap,
> > > > > and Poly-A tail. During translation, the ribosome facilitates
> > > > > the attachment of the tRNAs to the coding region, 3 nucleotides
> > > > > at a time (codons).[14] The tRNAs transfer their associated
> > > > > amino acids to the growing polypeptide chain, eventually
> > > > > forming the protein defined in the initial DNA coding region."
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coding_region#Structure_and_function
> > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:11:30 UTC+2:
> > > > > > There is also kind of "locking mechanism", so that mRNA doesn't
> > > > > > get into the trash bin while it is used. mRNA which is currently
> > > > > > used in a protein translation is blocked from decay:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eukaryotic mRNA turnover
> > > > > > Inside eukaryotic cells, there is a balance between the processes
> > > > > > of translation and mRNA decay. Messages that are being actively
> > > > > > translated are bound by ribosomes, the eukaryotic initiation factors
> > > > > > eIF-4E and eIF-4G, and poly(A)-binding protein. eIF-4E and eIF-4G
> > > > > > block the decapping enzyme (DCP2), and poly(A)-binding protein
> > > > > > blocks the exosome complex, protecting the ends of the message.
> > > > > > The balance between translation and decay is reflected in the size
> > > > > > and abundance of cytoplasmic structures known as P-bodies
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Eukaryotic_mRNA_turnover
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If both ends of the message are protected, there is possibly
> > > > > > no destroy while read. How is a message even read? In a
> > > > > > biological soup, there is no need to read it in a specific direction,
> > > > > > could be some parallel processing.
> > > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 14:02:26 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > Degradation is very similar to a sequence 0.9, 0.99, 0.999, etc..
> > > > > > > What gets smaller and smaller is the difference to 1, which is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, etc..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No wonder John Gabriel doesn't understand mRNA degradation,
> > > > > > > he even doesn't understand 0.999... = 1.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Possibly a brain damage or something, that he lacks any
> > > > > > > understanding of degradation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LMAO!
> > > > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:59:26 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > mRNA is not read-once:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "The greater the stability of an mRNA the more protein may
> > > > > > > > be produced from that mRNA. The limited lifetime of mRNA
> > > > > > > > enables a cell to alter protein synthesis rapidly in response to
> > > > > > > > its changing needs. There are many mechanisms that lead to
> > > > > > > > the destruction of an mRNA, some of which are described below."
> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation
> > > > > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:45:31 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > > Nope, they are not self destroying messages, that
> > > > > > > > > destroy themselves while reading.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is a kind of a "trash bin" in the cell. They go there,
> > > > > > > > > the "trash bin" is called P body:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-bodies
> > > > > > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 13:32:40 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > > > That is almost correct. mRNA is degraded by the cell itself as the message is deciphered.
> > > > What does it do for M and N proteins? The Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine
> > > > at least has a reasonably well-detailed mechanism for "the other half" of
> > > > the ('original') COVID-19 infection.
> > > >
> > > > Let's separate "mRNA the messenger RNA" and "miRNA's: 'micro-RNA bits'".
> > > >
> > > > ... the accumulation of which causes ER stress and lipofuscin.
> > > >
> > > > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.12766
> > > >
> > > > "MicroRNAs are small non-coding RNAs...".
> You know modern industry in molecular biology and
> research in molecular biology aren't _necessarily_
> the same thing, right....
>
> "Recombinant" the word isn't used so much anymore.
>
> But, the intent is the same....
>
> In terms of the smuggled capsid payload what the
> contents of a Type 2 Coronavirus coat is...
>
> I got a virology book one time, called "Virology".
>
> Let's see what I got here, "Essentials of Basic Science in Urology".
>
> Copy of Moeller's "Relativity"?
>
> Sorry, not much news here.
>
> Ah, it was "Mechanisms of Virus Disease" or so.
>
> One imagines there's quite a diverse ecosystem in the
> corona and pico viruses and so on, the remarkable human
> ecosystem finds what in terms of cellular communication
> that viruses in this way might be as much symbiotic as
> parasitic in the relation of humankind and viruses.
>
> But, often simply pathological....

Ross A. Finlayson wrote:

> One imagines there's quite a diverse ecosystem in the corona and pico
> viruses and so on, the remarkable human ecosystem finds what in terms of
> cellular communication that viruses in this way might be as much
> symbiotic as parasitic in the relation of humankind and viruses.
> But, often simply pathological....

Does not matter the envelope. The oxygen in air and water is highly
reactive (proved by Einstein's *pollen_in_water* experiment), and will
disintegrate any nano-crap they cooked in that chamber. Biden is not my
president.

Stop believing that. They got exempted from all liabilities. Because
after Za great reset there will be no any moderna, no govs, no tribunals,
no people etc.

Mostowski Collapse wrote:

> Ever seen a stand up commedian, making sassy jokes,
> getting paranoid like you do? You are worse than

You don't undrestand what you read. Za Great Reset is real. But first
they want you RFID tagged like cattle, sheep and other animals. I have a
vast experience in RFID, contact-less payment, inductive coupling and
similar. You can trust my diagnostics.

But if you like, continue painting the black man, or
what ever children painting that fears them. LoL

Wer Hat Angst Vorm Schwarzer Mann
Ich hab Angst vorm Weissen Mann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW_YpecKFKM

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 23:42:10 UTC+2:
> Ever seen a stand up commedian, making sassy jokes,
> getting paranoid like you do? You are worse than
>
> John Gabriel and Archimedes Plutonium, who are
> both the opposite of cool. Your posts are only cringe,
>
> like from some child with finger paint.
>
> LMAO!
> Lamar Hesslen schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 23:38:56 UTC+2:
> > Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> >
> > > But I guess my sarcasm is way over the head of paranoid micro penis, who
> > > is on the brink of a mental meltdown.
> > You have a paranoid micro penis?? Who are you? Where is your Za Great
> > Reset. Stop believing that. They got exempted from all liabilities.
> > Because after Za great reset there will be no any moderna, no govs, no
> > tribunals, no people.

On Sunday, 1 August 2021 at 08:14:41 UTC-4, Eram semper recta wrote:
> I am a genius and can assure you that unless you are an expert in a subject, there is no way you can just get on the internet and Google your "research" thinking it is reliable. You don't know shit about the science of virology, epidemiology or most else. But how can you decide in such circumstances?
>
> Well, you use your brain (yeah I know, most of you don't have one)! You look at the FACTS and the EVIDENCE.
>
> The *facts* tells us the virus is real (Transmission Electron Microscope)..
> The *evidence* tells us millions of people are dying from this damn virus..
>
> From past experience, vaccines saved humanity and were useful in eradicating the most dangerous pathogens (viruses and bacteria).
>
> Even if the vaccines appear to fail, doing something is better than doing nothing.
>
> Your stupidity is killing others (as did your vote for that prize scumbag Donald Trump and his con minions!) and eventually it will kill you!
>
> The facts have been around for many decades. The evidence is not opinion journalist articles but the actual statistics: number of deaths.
>
> This virus is a bitch from hell and it's only going to get worse the longer you do nothing. Old and unhealthy people are going to die, but the virus will mutate to beat the current vaccines and the next vaccine will have a lot more unpleasant side and long term effects.
>
> Get vaccinated now, morons!

Another rightwing scumbag bites the dust! Woohoo!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/08/rightwing-radio-host-dick-farrel-anti-vaxxer-dies-covid

Good riddance!!

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:46:07 PM UTC-7, Lamar Hesslen wrote:
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>
> > One imagines there's quite a diverse ecosystem in the corona and pico
> > viruses and so on, the remarkable human ecosystem finds what in terms of
> > cellular communication that viruses in this way might be as much
> > symbiotic as parasitic in the relation of humankind and viruses.
> > But, often simply pathological....
> Does not matter the envelope. The oxygen in air and water is highly
> reactive (proved by Einstein's *pollen_in_water* experiment), and will
> disintegrate any nano-crap they cooked in that chamber. Biden is not my
> president.
> Stop believing that. They got exempted from all liabilities. Because
> after Za great reset there will be no any moderna, no govs, no tribunals,
> no people etc.

Yeah, but hydrophilicity is better understood now in polar solvents.

Things what cause hypoxenia and why hypo/hyper for under/over
means regulatories both ways.

Having a certain titer of antibodies resulting from the imflammation
of genetic damage (...) and the resulting bodily response, abstractly
makes for that many virion particles VAC invents enough response as
an overall immune response to virion particles VIR. At some point:
less than that many, would suffice, with respect to "effectivity", and,
what results the syndrome or the stasis. At some point, more, would
be too much.

To be honest it would be as good to very broadly screen for antibodies
and the susceptible before pumping them in.

Because such ER stress and genetic damage or metabolic damage,
is to be avoided, or for usual holistic approaches then supporting
modern medicine, beyond the value proposition.

There's also that, the, convalesced, might, basically according to
profile help accomplish the goal, what is managing the fact that
approximately 100% of the population is exposed to COVID-19
and similar viruses.

Including having reasonably strong defenses against these
particularly infectious vectors of extracellular communication.

herpes boy was behind his screen, when leaking into the interweeb:
> To be honest it would be as good to very broadly screen for antibodies
and the susceptible before pumping them in.

You dont get vaccine if you were infected. At least not for
6 months, you are eligible. Thats the rule here. Maybe they
have different rules in other countries.

Did you expect that everybody gets vaccinated? Or does
micro penis believe such a nonsense? Maybe the RIFID
that was injected into is brain, is causing some damage.

LoL

Ross A. Finlayson schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:01:02 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:46:07 PM UTC-7, Lamar Hesslen wrote:
> > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >
> > > One imagines there's quite a diverse ecosystem in the corona and pico
> > > viruses and so on, the remarkable human ecosystem finds what in terms of
> > > cellular communication that viruses in this way might be as much
> > > symbiotic as parasitic in the relation of humankind and viruses.
> > > But, often simply pathological....
> > Does not matter the envelope. The oxygen in air and water is highly
> > reactive (proved by Einstein's *pollen_in_water* experiment), and will
> > disintegrate any nano-crap they cooked in that chamber. Biden is not my
> > president.
> > Stop believing that. They got exempted from all liabilities. Because
> > after Za great reset there will be no any moderna, no govs, no tribunals,
> > no people etc.
> Yeah, but hydrophilicity is better understood now in polar solvents.
>
> Things what cause hypoxenia and why hypo/hyper for under/over
> means regulatories both ways.
>
> Having a certain titer of antibodies resulting from the imflammation
> of genetic damage (...) and the resulting bodily response, abstractly
> makes for that many virion particles VAC invents enough response as
> an overall immune response to virion particles VIR. At some point:
> less than that many, would suffice, with respect to "effectivity", and,
> what results the syndrome or the stasis. At some point, more, would
> be too much.
>
> To be honest it would be as good to very broadly screen for antibodies
> and the susceptible before pumping them in.
>
> Because such ER stress and genetic damage or metabolic damage,
> is to be avoided, or for usual holistic approaches then supporting
> modern medicine, beyond the value proposition.
>
> There's also that, the, convalesced, might, basically according to
> profile help accomplish the goal, what is managing the fact that
> approximately 100% of the population is exposed to COVID-19
> and similar viruses.
>
> Including having reasonably strong defenses against these
> particularly infectious vectors of extracellular communication.

Corr.: RIFID ---> RFID

The big ones, found in garment, are quite annoying, making
shoplifting harder. But the ski passes are easy to copy.

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:14:07 UTC+2:
> herpes boy was behind his screen, when leaking into the interweeb:
> > To be honest it would be as good to very broadly screen for antibodies
> and the susceptible before pumping them in.
> You dont get vaccine if you were infected. At least not for
> 6 months, you are eligible. Thats the rule here. Maybe they
> have different rules in other countries.
>
> Did you expect that everybody gets vaccinated? Or does
> micro penis believe such a nonsense? Maybe the RIFID
> that was injected into is brain, is causing some damage.
>
> LoL
> Ross A. Finlayson schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:01:02 UTC+2:
> > On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:46:07 PM UTC-7, Lamar Hesslen wrote:
> > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >
> > > > One imagines there's quite a diverse ecosystem in the corona and pico
> > > > viruses and so on, the remarkable human ecosystem finds what in terms of
> > > > cellular communication that viruses in this way might be as much
> > > > symbiotic as parasitic in the relation of humankind and viruses.
> > > > But, often simply pathological....
> > > Does not matter the envelope. The oxygen in air and water is highly
> > > reactive (proved by Einstein's *pollen_in_water* experiment), and will
> > > disintegrate any nano-crap they cooked in that chamber. Biden is not my
> > > president.
> > > Stop believing that. They got exempted from all liabilities. Because
> > > after Za great reset there will be no any moderna, no govs, no tribunals,
> > > no people etc.
> > Yeah, but hydrophilicity is better understood now in polar solvents.
> >
> > Things what cause hypoxenia and why hypo/hyper for under/over
> > means regulatories both ways.
> >
> > Having a certain titer of antibodies resulting from the imflammation
> > of genetic damage (...) and the resulting bodily response, abstractly
> > makes for that many virion particles VAC invents enough response as
> > an overall immune response to virion particles VIR. At some point:
> > less than that many, would suffice, with respect to "effectivity", and,
> > what results the syndrome or the stasis. At some point, more, would
> > be too much.
> >
> > To be honest it would be as good to very broadly screen for antibodies
> > and the susceptible before pumping them in.
> >
> > Because such ER stress and genetic damage or metabolic damage,
> > is to be avoided, or for usual holistic approaches then supporting
> > modern medicine, beyond the value proposition.
> >
> > There's also that, the, convalesced, might, basically according to
> > profile help accomplish the goal, what is managing the fact that
> > approximately 100% of the population is exposed to COVID-19
> > and similar viruses.
> >
> > Including having reasonably strong defenses against these
> > particularly infectious vectors of extracellular communication.

dementia hit Mostowski Collapse, aka Sleepy Joe, wrote:

> You dont get vaccine if you were infected. At least not for 6 months,
> you are eligible. Thats the rule here. Maybe they have different rules
> in other countries.
>
> Did you expect that everybody gets vaccinated? Or does micro penis
> believe such a nonsense? Maybe the RIFID that was injected into is
> brain, is causing some damage.

Judging the incoherent crap you write, you must be terribly derailed. For
instance you don't even know that laser light has both spatial and
temporal coherence.

Sleepy Joe, LoL. That was a hit some months ago. Whats
wrong with you micro penis, that you live in the yesterday?

Whats next? Some bits from Musolini or Stalin?

LoL

Lamar Hesslen schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:26:09 UTC+2:
> dementia hit Mostowski Collapse, aka Sleepy Joe, wrote:
>
> > You dont get vaccine if you were infected. At least not for 6 months,
> > you are eligible. Thats the rule here. Maybe they have different rules
> > in other countries.
> >
> > Did you expect that everybody gets vaccinated? Or does micro penis
> > believe such a nonsense? Maybe the RIFID that was injected into is
> > brain, is causing some damage.
> Judging the incoherent crap you write, you must be terribly derailed. For
> instance you don't even know that laser light has both spatial and
> temporal coherence.

Corr.: Musolini --> Mussolini

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:31:41 UTC+2:
> Sleepy Joe, LoL. That was a hit some months ago. Whats
> wrong with you micro penis, that you live in the yesterday?
>
> Whats next? Some bits from Musolini or Stalin?
>
> LoL
> Lamar Hesslen schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:26:09 UTC+2:
> > dementia hit Mostowski Collapse, aka Sleepy Joe, wrote:
> >
> > > You dont get vaccine if you were infected. At least not for 6 months,
> > > you are eligible. Thats the rule here. Maybe they have different rules
> > > in other countries.
> > >
> > > Did you expect that everybody gets vaccinated? Or does micro penis
> > > believe such a nonsense? Maybe the RIFID that was injected into is
> > > brain, is causing some damage.
> > Judging the incoherent crap you write, you must be terribly derailed. For
> > instance you don't even know that laser light has both spatial and
> > temporal coherence.

Micro penis, the yesterday italian communist and anti-vaxxer.

LoL

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:33:13 UTC+2:
> Corr.: Musolini --> Mussolini
> Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:31:41 UTC+2:
> > Sleepy Joe, LoL. That was a hit some months ago. Whats
> > wrong with you micro penis, that you live in the yesterday?
> >
> > Whats next? Some bits from Musolini or Stalin?
> >
> > LoL
> > Lamar Hesslen schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:26:09 UTC+2:
> > > dementia hit Mostowski Collapse, aka Sleepy Joe, wrote:
> > >
> > > > You dont get vaccine if you were infected. At least not for 6 months,
> > > > you are eligible. Thats the rule here. Maybe they have different rules
> > > > in other countries.
> > > >
> > > > Did you expect that everybody gets vaccinated? Or does micro penis
> > > > believe such a nonsense? Maybe the RIFID that was injected into is
> > > > brain, is causing some damage.
> > > Judging the incoherent crap you write, you must be terribly derailed. For
> > > instance you don't even know that laser light has both spatial and
> > > temporal coherence.

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 3:14:07 PM UTC-7, Mostowski Collapse wrote:
> herpes boy was behind his screen, when leaking into the interweeb:
> > To be honest it would be as good to very broadly screen for antibodies
> and the susceptible before pumping them in.
> You dont get vaccine if you were infected. At least not for
> 6 months, you are eligible. Thats the rule here. Maybe they
> have different rules in other countries.
>
> Did you expect that everybody gets vaccinated? Or does
> micro penis believe such a nonsense? Maybe the RIFID
> that was injected into is brain, is causing some damage.
>
> LoL
> Ross A. Finlayson schrieb am Montag, 9. August 2021 um 00:01:02 UTC+2:
> > On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:46:07 PM UTC-7, Lamar Hesslen wrote:
> > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >
> > > > One imagines there's quite a diverse ecosystem in the corona and pico
> > > > viruses and so on, the remarkable human ecosystem finds what in terms of
> > > > cellular communication that viruses in this way might be as much
> > > > symbiotic as parasitic in the relation of humankind and viruses.
> > > > But, often simply pathological....
> > > Does not matter the envelope. The oxygen in air and water is highly
> > > reactive (proved by Einstein's *pollen_in_water* experiment), and will
> > > disintegrate any nano-crap they cooked in that chamber. Biden is not my
> > > president.
> > > Stop believing that. They got exempted from all liabilities. Because
> > > after Za great reset there will be no any moderna, no govs, no tribunals,
> > > no people etc.
> > Yeah, but hydrophilicity is better understood now in polar solvents.
> >
> > Things what cause hypoxenia and why hypo/hyper for under/over
> > means regulatories both ways.
> >
> > Having a certain titer of antibodies resulting from the imflammation
> > of genetic damage (...) and the resulting bodily response, abstractly
> > makes for that many virion particles VAC invents enough response as
> > an overall immune response to virion particles VIR. At some point:
> > less than that many, would suffice, with respect to "effectivity", and,
> > what results the syndrome or the stasis. At some point, more, would
> > be too much.
> >
> > To be honest it would be as good to very broadly screen for antibodies
> > and the susceptible before pumping them in.
> >
> > Because such ER stress and genetic damage or metabolic damage,
> > is to be avoided, or for usual holistic approaches then supporting
> > modern medicine, beyond the value proposition.
> >
> > There's also that, the, convalesced, might, basically according to
> > profile help accomplish the goal, what is managing the fact that
> > approximately 100% of the population is exposed to COVID-19
> > and similar viruses.
> >
> > Including having reasonably strong defenses against these
> > particularly infectious vectors of extracellular communication.

I expect everybody gets infected.

Did you expect that everybody gets vaccinated?

Of course, any study of effectivity, controlled scientifically,
has an effectively unlimited supply of bubble-dwellers.

Let us now recall the heartwarming and warm idyll of "Bubble Boy".