On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 7:29:47 PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
> >>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
> >>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
> >>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
> >>>>>>>>> competitions.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
> >>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
> >>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
> >>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
> >>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
> >>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
> >>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
> >>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
> >>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
> >>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
> >>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
> >>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
> >>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
> >>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
> >>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
> >>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
> >>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
> >>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
> >>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
> >>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
> >>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
> >>>>>
> >>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
> >>>
> >>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
> >>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
> >>> in their locker rooms.
> >>>
> >>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
> >>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
> >>>>
> >>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
> >>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
> >>>> details.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>
> >> Best I can find is.
> >>
> >> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
> >>
> >> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
> >> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
> >> able to participate for any number of reasons.
> >>
> >> Considering how few there are that doesn’t seem particularly taxing.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >>
> >
> > What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
> > and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
> > women.
> >
> If it’s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff? Maybe? Female spaces
> ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
> Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
> hormones plus surgeries. I’m not convinced is wise.
>
> But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>
> Roger Merman
>
There would be no need for blanket bans if a tiny minority who deny nature hadn't forced their way in where they aren't wanted and started throwing their superior weight around. How is that so difficult to understand, Roger? -- AJ
>

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 11:29:47 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn’t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>> women.
>>>
>> If it’s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff? Maybe? Female spaces
>> ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>> Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>> hormones plus surgeries. I’m not convinced is wise.
>>
>> But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Roger, I guess you don't understand biology much. NONE of the hormones
> change the basic composition of the male body. Should a "completely
> transitioned" male enter a woman's race, they would still have a
> biological advantage. IF hormonal treatments made a difference why aren't
> women successfully competing in male pro races?

East Germany? It’s not the whole thing but yes testosterone will very much
boost one’s performance. Your arguing a argument I haven’t made, I don’t
think trans women should be in women’s sport it’s not a fair competition,
where I’m less clear on is when it’s not competition and more social in
nature.
>
> That isn't meant to be insulting - I'm just trying to make a point. Until
> the UCI actually makes these changes to the rules, biological males can
> still steal races from women. And the women should simply refuse to
> compete in a race with a male in them.
>
UCI has zero to do with school sports even in America I assume the sports
colleges are different sports to cycling.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>
>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>> women.
>>>
>>If it’s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>
>No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>righfully their.
>
>>Maybe? Female spaces
>>ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>
>"transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>
>>Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>hormones plus surgeries. I’m not convinced is wise.
>>
>>But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>
>It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>

Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:35:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>>
>>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>>> women.
>>>>
>>>If it’s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>>
>>No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>>righfully their.
>>
>>>Maybe? Female spaces
>>>ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>>
>>"transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>>
>>>Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>>hormones plus surgeries. I’m not convinced is wise.
>>>
>>>But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>
>>It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>>
>
>Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
>horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
>that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
>they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:35:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>>>> women.
>>>>>
>>>> If it’s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>>>
>>> No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>>> righfully their.
>>>
>>>> Maybe? Female spaces
>>>> ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>>>
>>> "transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>>>
>>>> Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>>> hormones plus surgeries. I’m not convinced is wise.
>>>>
>>>> But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>>
>>> It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>>>
>>
>> Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
>> horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
>> that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
>> they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!
>
> Being a live and let live guy, I have no serious ssues about a guy
> running up and down shouting "I'm a girl", however, I'm not inclined
> to participate in his looniness.
>

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:46:56 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:35:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>>>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If it?s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>>>>
>>>> No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>>>> righfully their.
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe? Female spaces
>>>>> ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>>>>
>>>> "transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>>>>
>>>>> Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>>>> hormones plus surgeries. I?m not convinced is wise.
>>>>>
>>>>> But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>>>
>>>> It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
>>> horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
>>> that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
>>> they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!
>>
>> Being a live and let live guy, I have no serious ssues about a guy
>> running up and down shouting "I'm a girl", however, I'm not inclined
>> to participate in his looniness.
>>
>
>This is fantasy, maybe live and and let, with guys like yourself maybe? But
>your clearly upset about Trans folks existence.

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:46:56 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:35:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>>>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>>>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>>>>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it?s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>>>>> righfully their.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe? Female spaces
>>>>>> ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>>>>>
>>>>> "transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>>>>> hormones plus surgeries. I?m not convinced is wise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
>>>> horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
>>>> that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
>>>> they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!
>>>
>>> Being a live and let live guy, I have no serious ssues about a guy
>>> running up and down shouting "I'm a girl", however, I'm not inclined
>>> to participate in his looniness.
>>>
>>
>> This is fantasy, maybe live and and let, with guys like yourself maybe? But
>> your clearly upset about Trans folks existence.
>
> Nonsense.. I don't get upset about what other people do unless what
> they do has a negative effect on me and the people I care about.
> People parading around dressed funny and acting strange is actually
> sort of entertaining when it's not obscene and not negatively
> affecting (in my assessment) children.
>
>> Personally while I don’t
>> think it’s appropriate for them in women’s sports and so on.
>>
>> But them existing? Most just want to live their life, the media amplifies
>> the shouty extreme views.
>
> Yes, the media sometimes does make it worse, but on the other hand,
> announcements of males taking credit for winning in female athletics
> has been instrumental in the current wave of prohibitions against
> that.
>
> Now some businesses are promoting the "trans" weirdness as being
> normal, and I'm not going to support that concept, either. The "trans"
> people can do their thing, but demands that I must support their
> deviant behavior as normal, isn't working.
>
>> Roger Merriman
>

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 04:21:12 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:35:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>>>> women.
>>>>>
>>>>If it’s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>>>
>>>No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>>>righfully their.
>>>
>>>>Maybe? Female spaces
>>>>ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>>>
>>>"transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>>>
>>>>Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>>>hormones plus surgeries. I’m not convinced is wise.
>>>>
>>>>But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>>
>>>It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>>>
>>
>>Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
>>horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
>>that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
>>they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!
>
>Being a live and let live guy, I have no serious ssues about a guy
>running up and down shouting "I'm a girl", however, I'm not inclined
>to participate in his looniness.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:37:58 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:46:56 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:35:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>>>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>>>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>>>>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>>>>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>>>>>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it?s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>>>>>> righfully their.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe? Female spaces
>>>>>>> ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>>>>>> hormones plus surgeries. I?m not convinced is wise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
>>>>> horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
>>>>> that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
>>>>> they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!
>>>>
>>>> Being a live and let live guy, I have no serious ssues about a guy
>>>> running up and down shouting "I'm a girl", however, I'm not inclined
>>>> to participate in his looniness.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is fantasy, maybe live and and let, with guys like yourself maybe? But
>>> your clearly upset about Trans folks existence.
>>
>> Nonsense.. I don't get upset about what other people do unless what
>> they do has a negative effect on me and the people I care about.
>> People parading around dressed funny and acting strange is actually
>> sort of entertaining when it's not obscene and not negatively
>> affecting (in my assessment) children.
>>
>>> Personally while I don?t
>>> think it?s appropriate for them in women?s sports and so on.
>>>
>>> But them existing? Most just want to live their life, the media amplifies
>>> the shouty extreme views.
>>
>> Yes, the media sometimes does make it worse, but on the other hand,
>> announcements of males taking credit for winning in female athletics
>> has been instrumental in the current wave of prohibitions against
>> that.
>>
>> Now some businesses are promoting the "trans" weirdness as being
>> normal, and I'm not going to support that concept, either. The "trans"
>> people can do their thing, but demands that I must support their
>> deviant behavior as normal, isn't working.
>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>
>You’ve called them ,Shameless, Deviant, obscene and I’m sure other slurs,
>this isn’t the words of live and let live guy far from it.
>
>Roger Merriman

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 17:48:34 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 04:21:12 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:35:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>>>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>If it’s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>>>>
>>>>No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>>>>righfully their.
>>>>
>>>>>Maybe? Female spaces
>>>>>ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>>>>
>>>>"transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>>>>
>>>>>Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>>>>hormones plus surgeries. I’m not convinced is wise.
>>>>>
>>>>>But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>>>
>>>>It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
>>>horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
>>>that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
>>>they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!
>>
>>Being a live and let live guy, I have no serious ssues about a guy
>>running up and down shouting "I'm a girl", however, I'm not inclined
>>to participate in his looniness.
>
>But the (I have no idea the current socially appropriate term )
>Homosexual folk have existed for years and years without problems.
>King James I who ruled Scotland and England from 1567 till 1625 was
>one, at least one Roman Emperor, and some claim that Alexander the
>Great was inclined that way, not to ignore all the others in "high
>places".

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:46:56 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:35:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>>>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If it?s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>>>>
>>>> No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>>>> righfully their.
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe? Female spaces
>>>>> ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>>>>
>>>> "transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>>>>
>>>>> Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>>>> hormones plus surgeries. I?m not convinced is wise.
>>>>>
>>>>> But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>>>
>>>> It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
>>> horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
>>> that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
>>> they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!
>>
>> Being a live and let live guy, I have no serious ssues about a guy
>> running up and down shouting "I'm a girl", however, I'm not inclined
>> to participate in his looniness.
>>
>
>This is fantasy, maybe live and and let, with guys like yourself maybe? But
>your clearly upset about Trans folks existence. Personally while I don’t
>think it’s appropriate for them in women’s sports and so on.
>
>But them existing? Most just want to live their life, the media amplifies
>the shouty extreme views.
>
>Roger Merriman

On 6/13/2023 5:52 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:37:58 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:46:56 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:35:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:41:39 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:29:44 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
>>>>>>>>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
>>>>>>>>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
>>>>>>>>>>> in their locker rooms.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
>>>>>>>>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best I can find is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
>>>>>>>>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
>>>>>>>>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Considering how few there are that doesn?t seem particularly taxing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
>>>>>>>>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
>>>>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it?s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's girls and women missing out on fame and fortune that is
>>>>>>> righfully their.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe? Female spaces
>>>>>>>> ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "transforming" from male to female is not possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
>>>>>>>> hormones plus surgeries. I?m not convinced is wise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's worked fine for thousands of years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't it strange. If you run up and down the street hollering "I'm a
>>>>>> horse, I'm a horse", people will point their finger and say, "Jeeze,
>>>>>> that guy is crazy!" But if you run up and down shouting "I'm a girl",
>>>>>> they will say, "Yes sirre Bob! And you got rights!
>>>>>
>>>>> Being a live and let live guy, I have no serious ssues about a guy
>>>>> running up and down shouting "I'm a girl", however, I'm not inclined
>>>>> to participate in his looniness.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is fantasy, maybe live and and let, with guys like yourself maybe? But
>>>> your clearly upset about Trans folks existence.
>>>
>>> Nonsense.. I don't get upset about what other people do unless what
>>> they do has a negative effect on me and the people I care about.
>>> People parading around dressed funny and acting strange is actually
>>> sort of entertaining when it's not obscene and not negatively
>>> affecting (in my assessment) children.
>>>
>>>> Personally while I don?t
>>>> think it?s appropriate for them in women?s sports and so on.
>>>>
>>>> But them existing? Most just want to live their life, the media amplifies
>>>> the shouty extreme views.
>>>
>>> Yes, the media sometimes does make it worse, but on the other hand,
>>> announcements of males taking credit for winning in female athletics
>>> has been instrumental in the current wave of prohibitions against
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Now some businesses are promoting the "trans" weirdness as being
>>> normal, and I'm not going to support that concept, either. The "trans"
>>> people can do their thing, but demands that I must support their
>>> deviant behavior as normal, isn't working.
>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>
>> You’ve called them ,Shameless, Deviant, obscene and I’m sure other slurs,
>> this isn’t the words of live and let live guy far from it.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Yes, I've called the guys who sneak into women's athletics, restrooms,
> and shower rooms "shameless" and "deviant." I stand by that.
>
> I've said that I oppose obscenity and harm to children. I oppose that
> regardless of who is doing it, but nowdays, in the USA, it's openly
> being done by so-called "transexuals," hence the obscenity reference
> in regard to "transexuals."
>
> IMHO, "live and let live does not mean accepting things that affect me
> and the people I care for, and/or have the potential to do so. With
> friends and relatives in schools and colleges, employed in, or simply
> members of health clubs, I have a vested interest the activities I
> referenced above.
>
> On the other hand, the noises made by the "trans" promoters is
> sometimes annoying, but I absolutely support their right to their
> pretense, as long as it's not coercive.
>

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 11:29:47 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:16:21 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:01:36 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:40:41 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:43:57 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women?s
> >>>>>>>>>>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
> >>>>>>>>>>> win taken away from natural-born women.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
> >>>>>>>>>>> decided he was a woman and began entering women?s cycling
> >>>>>>>>>>> competitions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
> >>>>>>>>>>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling?s rules for trans athletes, but
> >>>>>>>>>>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
> >>>>>>>>>>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
> >>>>>>>>>>> UCI was ?effectively killing off women?s cycling.?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start ?taking a knee? and
> >>>>>>>>>>> openly protesting the UCI?s rules that have been locking women out of
> >>>>>>>>>>> titles nationwide.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thompson tweeted. ?Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
> >>>>>>>>>>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
> >>>>>>>>>>> every race ?Save Women?s Sports.'?
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
> >>>>>>>>>>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Your getting as bad as Tom, the argument is already won.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In Glasgow in August the UCI will ban transgender athletes, (its highly
> >>>>>>>>>> unlikely that they will not) and join most other sports organisations.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Note Paige Onweller comments ie the 2nd placed woman.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> At this point it?s just punching down.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> See cite regarding Biden's proposed title 9 change.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> School sport is a long way, from professional or even amateur competition.
> >>>>>>>> It sounds like the sort of thing best done on a case by case basis.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I?m aware that American colleges are different in that way ie much more
> >>>>>>>> competitive though at that point if it?s competitive even if amateur. Then
> >>>>>>>> doesn?t sound like should be trans folks should be allowed, but will be
> >>>>>>>> more socially type stuff where it may well be.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I certainly did some school sports mixed, mainly stuff like longer runs and
> >>>>>>>> so on where it aim was to learn and so on, or in my case as was always fit,
> >>>>>>>> but not competitive just cruse along. Quite capable of podium in races if I
> >>>>>>>> chose to but mostly didn?t!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm much more concerned with males involved in womens' athletics in
> >>>>>>> schools and colleges where the state, local, and federal governments
> >>>>>>> push, and now, attempt to mandate the "trans" crap.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> They would be boys at most? Ie sub 18 years old?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It would be boys pretending to be girls, participating in girls only
> >>>>> events and activities, using girls rest rooms and showering with girls
> >>>>> in their locker rooms.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The article is rather all over the place, sounds like it?s a political
> >>>>>> football in America if you forgive the pun, which does the kids no favours.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I?d personally If it?s vexing me, be checking the source ie what has
> >>>>>> actually been proposed, as the article isn?t clear on that in terms of
> >>>>>> details.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>
> >>>> Best I can find is.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ie seems to aimed at preventing block bans and asking schools to do
> >>>> evaluate on a case by case basis, and notes that some students will not be
> >>>> able to participate for any number of reasons.
> >>>>
> >>>> Considering how few there are that doesn’t seem particularly taxing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> What's wrong with just limiting women's athletic events, restrooms,
> >>> and shower rooms to women? ..and no, individuals with a penis are not
> >>> women.
> >>>
> >> If it’s more social in nature ie fun run type stuff? Maybe? Female spaces
> >> ie restrooms and the like? Folks who have identified but not transitioned?
> >> Which is likely to be zero in school or college considering the time for
> >> hormones plus surgeries. I’m not convinced is wise.
> >>
> >> But blanket bans are simply a poor idea.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > Roger, I guess you don't understand biology much. NONE of the hormones
> > change the basic composition of the male body. Should a "completely
> > transitioned" male enter a woman's race, they would still have a
> > biological advantage. IF hormonal treatments made a difference why aren't
> > women successfully competing in male pro races?
> East Germany? It’s not the whole thing but yes testosterone will very much
> boost one’s performance. Your arguing a argument I haven’t made, I don’t
> think trans women should be in women’s sport it’s not a fair competition,
> where I’m less clear on is when it’s not competition and more social in
> nature.
> >
> > That isn't meant to be insulting - I'm just trying to make a point. Until
> > the UCI actually makes these changes to the rules, biological males can
> > still steal races from women. And the women should simply refuse to
> > compete in a race with a male in them.
> >
> UCI has zero to do with school sports even in America I assume the sports
> colleges are different sports to cycling.
>
> Roger Merriman

On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>
> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>
> and many more.

Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)

I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
bulk of any issue.

> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport.  Your
> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.

Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
choose to define those labels.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/13/2023 7:03 AM, John B. wrote:
>
> I can't speak for the Trike Guy but for me, at least, it isn't a
> matter of them and us, it is a matter of all the loud cries and "we
> gotta do this, NO, we gotta do that" which just seem so foolish. As I
> mentioned in another post they have existed throughout history, some
> in very important positions. Why the modern turmoil?

Politics. The extreme right wing sees a man in a dress as the beginning
of the end of society. (Who knows what they think about Scots in kilts?)

The extreme left wing gets in an outraged tizzy about every issue du
jour, and plays into the hands of the extreme right wing.

Both extremes are stupid.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/13/2023 11:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 6/13/2023 7:03 AM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> I can't speak for the Trike Guy but for me, at least, it
>> isn't a
>> matter of them and us, it is a matter of all the loud
>> cries and "we
>> gotta do this, NO, we gotta do that" which just seem so
>> foolish. As I
>> mentioned in another post they have existed throughout
>> history, some
>> in very important positions. Why the modern turmoil?
>
> Politics. The extreme right wing sees a man in a dress as
> the beginning of the end of society. (Who knows what they
> think about Scots in kilts?)
>
> The extreme left wing gets in an outraged tizzy about every
> issue du jour, and plays into the hands of the extreme right
> wing.
>
> Both extremes are stupid.
>

No one cares about such until it threatens others

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/protesters-clash-outside-los-angeles-spa-over-trans-woman-disrobing-n1273051

https://nypost.com/2022/07/16/transgender-woman-demi-minor-impregnates-two-inmates-at-nj-prison/

Personally I don't have any problem with it, including
customers, friends, even an ex employee who did the drastic
surgical procedures.

The pantomime president said homosexuals can be married in
the afternoon and then denied a table at a restaurant in the
evening. I strongly doubt there is any case of that.

Women in spas, gyms and the like or minor children anywhere
have vulnerabilities we ought not exploit IMHO.

I think that applies to women's sports as well, which are
more than glory and directly affect scholarships, future
earnings etc. Many thought this was resolved with the East
German men no longer swimming in women's events. But, no.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 12:04:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 6/13/2023 11:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 6/13/2023 7:03 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't speak for the Trike Guy but for me, at least, it
>>> isn't a
>>> matter of them and us, it is a matter of all the loud
>>> cries and "we
>>> gotta do this, NO, we gotta do that" which just seem so
>>> foolish. As I
>>> mentioned in another post they have existed throughout
>>> history, some
>>> in very important positions. Why the modern turmoil?
>>
>> Politics. The extreme right wing sees a man in a dress as
>> the beginning of the end of society. (Who knows what they
>> think about Scots in kilts?)
>>
>> The extreme left wing gets in an outraged tizzy about every
>> issue du jour, and plays into the hands of the extreme right
>> wing.
>>
>> Both extremes are stupid.
>>
>
>No one cares about such until it threatens others
>
>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/protesters-clash-outside-los-angeles-spa-over-trans-woman-disrobing-n1273051
>
>https://nypost.com/2022/07/16/transgender-woman-demi-minor-impregnates-two-inmates-at-nj-prison/
>
>Personally I don't have any problem with it, including
>customers, friends, even an ex employee who did the drastic
>surgical procedures.
>
>The pantomime president said homosexuals can be married in
>the afternoon and then denied a table at a restaurant in the
>evening. I strongly doubt there is any case of that.
>
>Women in spas, gyms and the like or minor children anywhere
>have vulnerabilities we ought not exploit IMHO.
>
>I think that applies to women's sports as well, which are
>more than glory and directly affect scholarships, future
>earnings etc. Many thought this was resolved with the East
>German men no longer swimming in women's events. But, no.

+1

On 6/13/2023 1:04 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/13/2023 11:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 6/13/2023 7:03 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't speak for the Trike Guy but for me, at least, it
>>> isn't a
>>> matter of them and us, it is a matter of all the loud
>>> cries and "we
>>> gotta do this, NO, we gotta do that" which just seem so
>>> foolish. As I
>>> mentioned in another post they have existed throughout
>>> history, some
>>> in very important positions. Why the modern turmoil?
>>
>> Politics. The extreme right wing sees a man in a dress as
>> the beginning of the end of society. (Who knows what they
>> think about Scots in kilts?)
>>
>> The extreme left wing gets in an outraged tizzy about every
>> issue du jour, and plays into the hands of the extreme right
>> wing.
>>
>> Both extremes are stupid.
>>
>
> No one cares about such until it threatens others

That's demonstrably false!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:04:47 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/13/2023 11:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 6/13/2023 7:03 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> I can't speak for the Trike Guy but for me, at least, it
> >> isn't a
> >> matter of them and us, it is a matter of all the loud
> >> cries and "we
> >> gotta do this, NO, we gotta do that" which just seem so
> >> foolish. As I
> >> mentioned in another post they have existed throughout
> >> history, some
> >> in very important positions. Why the modern turmoil?
> >
> > Politics. The extreme right wing sees a man in a dress as
> > the beginning of the end of society. (Who knows what they
> > think about Scots in kilts?)
> >
> > The extreme left wing gets in an outraged tizzy about every
> > issue du jour, and plays into the hands of the extreme right
> > wing.
> >
> > Both extremes are stupid.
> >
> No one cares about such until it threatens others
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/protesters-clash-outside-los-angeles-spa-over-trans-woman-disrobing-n1273051
>
> https://nypost.com/2022/07/16/transgender-woman-demi-minor-impregnates-two-inmates-at-nj-prison/
>
> Personally I don't have any problem with it, including
> customers, friends, even an ex employee who did the drastic
> surgical procedures.
>
> The pantomime president said homosexuals can be married in
> the afternoon and then denied a table at a restaurant in the
> evening. I strongly doubt there is any case of that.
>
> Women in spas, gyms and the like or minor children anywhere
> have vulnerabilities we ought not exploit IMHO.
>
> I think that applies to women's sports as well, which are
> more than glory and directly affect scholarships, future
> earnings etc. Many thought this was resolved with the East
> German men no longer swimming in women's events. But, no.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

The very fact that women and men are genetically different is clearly shown by the fact that trans-women competing against men have no chance at all. To pretend therefore that a trans-man doesn't have a genetic advantage against women should have shut the very idea of such competitions down before they were even hinted at.

On 2023-06-12, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 6/12/2023 3:37 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>
>> A man who claims to be a woman has won first place in the women’s
>> category in a North Carolina cycling tour, making the race yet another
>> win taken away from natural-born women.
>>
>> Killips has been taking titles away from women since 2019, when he
>> decided he was a woman and began entering women’s cycling
>> competitions.
>>
>> In May, both USA Cycling and the Union Cycliste Internationale
>> proclaimed that Killips met cycling’s rules for trans athletes, but
>> his constant wins have met with resistance in cycling.
>>
>> After Killips won the Tour of the Gila this year, former Olympic
>> cyclist Inga Thompson tweeted that with its rules for trans women, the
>> UCI was “effectively killing off women’s cycling.”
>>
>> Thompson also urged female cyclists to start “taking a knee” and
>> openly protesting the UCI’s rules that have been locking women out of
>> titles nationwide.
>>
>> It is time for Women Cyclist to start protesting @UCI_cycling Policy,”
>> Thompson tweeted. “Start taking a knee at the starting lines. Team
>> managers need to speak up and protect their riders. Hold signs at
>> every race ‘Save Women’s Sports.'”
>> https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/06/11/man-wins-first-place-in-the-womens-category-in-north-carolina-cycling-race/
>>
>>
>> Maybe it's time to get rid of the government officials who are trying
>> to force this disgusting misogynist crap on us.
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/title-ix-transgender-student-athletes-biden-rule/index.html
>>
>
> Hmm. Maybe I can have a racing career yet!
>
> I could buy a classic Harley knucklehead (all-time favorite
> MC) and self identify as a bicyclist. Who's to dispute that?
> Haters?
>

The Babylon Bee had just such a piece one time altghough I don't know if
they used a Harley or not..

pH

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>>
>> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>>
>> and many more.
>
> Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
>
> I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
> Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
> lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
> bulk of any issue.
>
>> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport.  Your
>> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
>
> Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
> trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
> choose to define those labels.
>
Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
that woman’s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.

In short I can’t see the numbers being there.

I think sadly it’s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
to be one aspect that is closed to you, but can’t imagine it’s a easy life
anyway!

Roger Merriman

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>>>
>>> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>>>
>>> and many more.
>>
>> Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
>>
>> I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
>> Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
>> lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
>> bulk of any issue.
>>
>>> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport.  Your
>>> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
>>
>> Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
>> trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
>> choose to define those labels.
>>
>Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
>that woman’s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
>coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
>
>In short I can’t see the numbers being there.
>
>I think sadly it’s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
>to be one aspect that is closed to you, but can’t imagine it’s a easy life
>anyway!
>
>Roger Merriman
>

Why not just let the males compete with other males, and females
compete with other females?

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>
> >> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people..
> >>
> >> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
> >>
> >> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
> >>
> >> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
> >>
> >> and many more.
> >
> > Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
> >
> > I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
> > Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
> > lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
> > bulk of any issue.
> >
> >> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport. Your
> >> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
> >
> > Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
> > trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
> > choose to define those labels.
> >
> Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
> that woman’s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
> coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
>
> In short I can’t see the numbers being there.
>
> I think sadly it’s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
> to be one aspect that is closed to you, but can’t imagine it’s a easy life
> anyway!
>
> Roger Merriman

Roger, you do understand that none of this is a case of men really being women or visa versa? This is a case AT BEST of people with mental disabilities being used for political purposes or at worst - people without mental disabilities taking advantage of rules perpetrated strictly for political purposes?

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:44:34 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:10:10?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>> >>
>> >> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>> >>
>> >> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>> >>
>> >> and many more.
>> >
>> > Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
>> >
>> > I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
>> > Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
>> > lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
>> > bulk of any issue.
>> >
>> >> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport. Your
>> >> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
>> >
>> > Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
>> > trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
>> > choose to define those labels.
>> >
>> Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
>> that woman’s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
>> coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
>>
>> In short I can’t see the numbers being there.
>>
>> I think sadly it’s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
>> to be one aspect that is closed to you, but can’t imagine it’s a easy life
>> anyway!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
>Roger, you do understand that none of this is a case of men really being women or visa versa? This is a case AT BEST of people with mental disabilities being used for political purposes or at worst - people without mental disabilities taking advantage of rules perpetrated strictly for political purposes?

+1

On 6/13/2023 4:10 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>>>
>>> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>>>
>>> and many more.
>>
>> Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
>>
>> I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
>> Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
>> lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
>> bulk of any issue.
>>
>>> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport. Your
>>> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
>>
>> Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
>> trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
>> choose to define those labels.
>>
> Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
> that woman’s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
> coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
>
> In short I can’t see the numbers being there.
>
> I think sadly it’s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
> to be one aspect that is closed to you, but can’t imagine it’s a easy life
> anyway!
>
> Roger Merriman
>
>

OK, I get that but then why exploit girls?

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