Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>>>>
>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>>>>
>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>>>>
>>>> and many more.
>>>
>>> Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
>>>
>>> I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
>>> Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
>>> lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
>>> bulk of any issue.
>>>
>>>> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport.  Your
>>>> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
>>>
>>> Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
>>> trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
>>> choose to define those labels.
>>>
>> Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
>> that woman’s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
>> coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
>>
>> In short I can’t see the numbers being there.
>>
>> I think sadly it’s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
>> to be one aspect that is closed to you, but can’t imagine it’s a easy life
>> anyway!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>
>
> Why not just let the males compete with other males, and females
> compete with other females?
>

Did you read my post? Ie that since Trans are so low in numbers any
competition is likely to be difficult to get the numbers, ie it’s highly
unlikely to happen.

Roger Merriman

On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 06:55:28 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>>>>>
>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>>>>>
>>>>> and many more.
>>>>
>>>> Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
>>>> Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
>>>> lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
>>>> bulk of any issue.
>>>>
>>>>> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport.  Your
>>>>> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
>>>> trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
>>>> choose to define those labels.
>>>>
>>> Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
>>> that woman?s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
>>> coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
>>>
>>> In short I can?t see the numbers being there.
>>>
>>> I think sadly it?s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
>>> to be one aspect that is closed to you, but can?t imagine it?s a easy life
>>> anyway!
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why not just let the males compete with other males, and females
>> compete with other females?
>>
>
>Did you read my post? Ie that since Trans are so low in numbers any
>competition is likely to be difficult to get the numbers, ie it’s highly
>unlikely to happen.

Ans yet it does happen..

https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/1/7/22850789/trans-athletes-college-ncaa-lia-thomas

>Roger Merriman

On 6/14/2023 1:55 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>>>>>
>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>>>>>
>>>>> and many more.
>>>>
>>>> Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
>>>> Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
>>>> lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
>>>> bulk of any issue.
>>>>
>>>>> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport. Your
>>>>> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
>>>> trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
>>>> choose to define those labels.
>>>>
>>> Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
>>> that womanÂ’s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
>>> coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
>>>
>>> In short I canÂ’t see the numbers being there.
>>>
>>> I think sadly itÂ’s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
>>> to be one aspect that is closed to you, but canÂ’t imagine itÂ’s a easy life
>>> anyway!
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why not just let the males compete with other males, and females
>> compete with other females?
>>
>
> Did you read my post? Ie that since Trans are so low in numbers any
> competition is likely to be difficult to get the numbers, ie it’s highly
> unlikely to happen.
>
> Roger Merriman
>

OK, unlikely to happen. At which point men, any man, can
compete with other men no matter their opinions on
non-cycling matters.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 5:46:11 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/14/2023 1:55 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and many more.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
> >>>> Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
> >>>> lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
> >>>> bulk of any issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport. Your
> >>>>> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
> >>>> trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
> >>>> choose to define those labels.
> >>>>
> >>> Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
> >>> that womanÂ’s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
> >>> coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
> >>>
> >>> In short I canÂ’t see the numbers being there.
> >>>
> >>> I think sadly itÂ’s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
> >>> to be one aspect that is closed to you, but canÂ’t imagine itÂ’s a easy life
> >>> anyway!
> >>>
> >>> Roger Merriman
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Why not just let the males compete with other males, and females
> >> compete with other females?
> >>
> >
> > Did you read my post? Ie that since Trans are so low in numbers any
> > competition is likely to be difficult to get the numbers, ie it’s highly
> > unlikely to happen.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> >
> OK, unlikely to happen. At which point men, any man, can
> compete with other men no matter their opinions on
> non-cycling matters.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

What I don't like is the fact that men exploit their genetic superiority over women and consider it an accomplishment.

Roger, LGBTQ is a mental illness and not some mistake of nature. I'm telling you that I interviewed these people as they were dying in a hospital from AIDS and I wouldn't even repeat the disgusting things they do to each other. And this is ALL of them. I never met one who even wanted to be normal. They all were aware of what they were and were proud of it or were Beta and just did as they were told.

On TV they advertise that if you test negative you cannot infect others. That is an outright lie of the pharmaceutical industry. To begin with the HIV virus is nearly undetectable without PCR multiplication in the tens of millions. So all it takes is a SINGLE HIV virus to infect someone. That may make it unlikely to infect someone but it doesn't make it impossible.

But these mental cases do not care if they kill other people. So you can't treat them any differently than you would a mass murderer.

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 06:55:28 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and many more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
>>>>> Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
>>>>> lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
>>>>> bulk of any issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport.  Your
>>>>>> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
>>>>> trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
>>>>> choose to define those labels.
>>>>>
>>>> Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
>>>> that woman?s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
>>>> coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
>>>>
>>>> In short I can?t see the numbers being there.
>>>>
>>>> I think sadly it?s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
>>>> to be one aspect that is closed to you, but can?t imagine it?s a easy life
>>>> anyway!
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why not just let the males compete with other males, and females
>>> compete with other females?
>>>
>>
>> Did you read my post? Ie that since Trans are so low in numbers any
>> competition is likely to be difficult to get the numbers, ie it’s highly
>> unlikely to happen.
>
> Ans yet it does happen..
>
> https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/1/7/22850789/trans-athletes-college-ncaa-lia-thomas
>
>> Roger Merriman
>
She is one of the infamous ones, and at the very competitive end ie really
shouldn’t be allowed to compete however personally disappointing she might
feel.

It also does the Trans folks a poor look to put it mildly.

In terms of schools I’m thinking more kids playing rounders or crickets
than a 6 foot plus 18year old.

Roger Merriman

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 6/14/2023 1:55 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/13/2023 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Do what you like' is fine until that involves assaulting other people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-transgender-student-charged-assaulting-female-high-school-classmates-bathroom
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/world/trans-woman-crawled-bed-assaulted-female-resident-womens-shelter-police
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-sexual-assault-girl-middle-180406066.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and many more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank God that normal men never assault women, eh? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not happy about the trendy promotion of "trans." But I do note
>>>>> Andrew's enthusiasm for highlighting rare exceptions to every rule - the
>>>>> lowest end of the normal curve, so to speak - while ignoring the great
>>>>> bulk of any issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Less serious but equally offensive is men besting girls in sport. Your
>>>>>> term 'shameless' is quite apt for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. I like the idea of a third "trans" division in sports. Let the
>>>>> trans men and trans women compete against each other - however they
>>>>> choose to define those labels.
>>>>>
>>>> Sadly almost certainly not the number for competitive sport, ie 0.2% note
>>>> that womanÂ’s professional is desperately under funded and struggling to get
>>>> coverage, and gets worse in the grass route level.
>>>>
>>>> In short I canÂ’t see the numbers being there.
>>>>
>>>> I think sadly itÂ’s something (competition) that if one is trans is likely
>>>> to be one aspect that is closed to you, but canÂ’t imagine itÂ’s a easy life
>>>> anyway!
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why not just let the males compete with other males, and females
>>> compete with other females?
>>>
>>
>> Did you read my post? Ie that since Trans are so low in numbers any
>> competition is likely to be difficult to get the numbers, ie it’s highly
>> unlikely to happen.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>
> OK, unlikely to happen. At which point men, any man, can
> compete with other men no matter their opinions on
> non-cycling matters.
>
Read my post I’m saying that I don’t think that trans folks have the
numbers to make viable competitions which is clearly for them personally
disappointing but realistically it’s not a fair competition in women’s
sports.

Roger Merriman