On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 10:56:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> >Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> >> > amdx wrote:
> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
> >> > >
> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
> >> > >
> >> > > Female
> >> > > Noun
> >> > > an adult female human being.
> >> > >
> >> > > Woman
> >> > > adjective
> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mikek
> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
> >> > woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
> >> > biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
> >> > understand why you have trouble understanding that.
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's license.
> >
> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.

Can't argue with logic like that!

You could just as well define a woman as having two X chromosomes. What if you have two X and a single Y? Is that male because of having the Y or female because of having two X?

--

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<jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> >> > amdx wrote:
> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
> >> > >
> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
> >> > >
> >> > > Female
> >> > > Noun
> >> > > an adult female human being.
> >> > >
> >> > > Woman
> >> > > adjective
> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mikek
> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
> >> > woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
> >> > biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
> >> > understand why you have trouble understanding that.
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
> >> license.
> >
> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>
> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.

I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).

In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>
>> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> >> > amdx wrote:
>> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>> >> > >
>> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Female
>> >> > > Noun
>> >> > > an adult female human being.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Woman
>> >> > > adjective
>> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Mikek
>> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
>> >> > woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
>> >> > biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
>> >> > understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
>> >> license.
>> >
>> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>>
>> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>
>I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
>It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
>parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
>
>In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.

Anyone with a Y should not compete in girls' sports. Y makes serious
physical differences.

The path to fame and fortune: call yourself a girl and set records.

Good book:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250236061

There is one case where a person is XY but has a genetic/enzyme defect
that block the function of T. The person looks and acts and feels
totally female, married to a guy, but is sterile.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

<jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> ><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> >> >> > amdx wrote:
> >> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Female
> >> >> > > Noun
> >> >> > > an adult female human being.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Woman
> >> >> > > adjective
> >> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
> >> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
> >> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Mikek
> >> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman"
> >> >> > but the woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's
> >> >> > not a biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I
> >> >> > don't understand why you have trouble understanding that.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
> >> >> license.
> >> >
> >> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
> >>
> >> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
> >
> >I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
> >It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
> >parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
> >
> >In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
>
> Anyone with a Y should not compete in girls' sports. Y makes serious
> physical differences.

That's sex, not gender.

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:11:44 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>
>> ><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> >> >> > amdx wrote:
>> >> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Female
>> >> >> > > Noun
>> >> >> > > an adult female human being.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Woman
>> >> >> > > adjective
>> >> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>> >> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>> >> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Mikek
>> >> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman"
>> >> >> > but the woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's
>> >> >> > not a biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I
>> >> >> > don't understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
>> >> >> license.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>> >>
>> >> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>> >
>> >I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
>> >It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
>> >parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
>> >
>> >In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
>>
>> Anyone with a Y should not compete in girls' sports. Y makes serious
>> physical differences.
>
>That's sex, not gender.

It's physiology. Bones, muscles, speed. Things that matter in sports.

I think all the girls should just stay there and not move when the gun
goes off. Let s/he take the victory lap.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

<jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:11:44 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> ><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> >>
> >> ><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> >> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> >> >> >> > amdx wrote:
> >> >> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Female
> >> >> >> > > Noun
> >> >> >> > > an adult female human being.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Woman
> >> >> >> > > adjective
> >> >> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
> >> >> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
> >> >> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Mikek
> >> >> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman"
> >> >> >> > but the woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's
> >> >> >> > not a biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I
> >> >> >> > don't understand why you have trouble understanding that.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
> >> >> >> license.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
> >> >>
> >> >> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
> >> >
> >> >I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
> >> >It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
> >> >parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
> >> >
> >> >In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
> >>
> >> Anyone with a Y should not compete in girls' sports. Y makes serious
> >> physical differences.
> >
> >That's sex, not gender.
>
> It's physiology. Bones, muscles, speed. Things that matter in sports.
>
> I think all the girls should just stay there and not move when the gun
> goes off. Let s/he take the victory lap.

I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.

Sport is inherently unfair. The birth sex of the participants is just
another example of that unfairness that happens to have been highlighted
by the recent sudden interest in transpeople.

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 22:25:10 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:11:44 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>
>> ><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> >> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> >> >> >> > amdx wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Female
>> >> >> >> > > Noun
>> >> >> >> > > an adult female human being.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Woman
>> >> >> >> > > adjective
>> >> >> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>> >> >> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>> >> >> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Mikek
>> >> >> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman"
>> >> >> >> > but the woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's
>> >> >> >> > not a biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I
>> >> >> >> > don't understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
>> >> >> >> license.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
>> >> >It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
>> >> >parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
>> >> >
>> >> >In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone with a Y should not compete in girls' sports. Y makes serious
>> >> physical differences.
>> >
>> >That's sex, not gender.
>>
>> It's physiology. Bones, muscles, speed. Things that matter in sports.
>>
>> I think all the girls should just stay there and not move when the gun
>> goes off. Let s/he take the victory lap.
>
>I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.
>

I was discussing chromosones.

--

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:
=================

> I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.
>
> Sport is inherently unfair.

** No, LIFE is inherently unfair.

Competitive sports attempt to create analogies to life that ARE fair and can be seen to be so.
Competitors follow sets of rules, officials ensure those rules are followed and the result clear.
It all happens in public view too.

Nothing like life.

BTW you are one hell of a fake SJW.

...... Phil

<jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 22:25:10 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> ><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:11:44 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> >>
> >> ><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> >> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> >> >> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso
> >> >> >> >> wrote: > amdx wrote: > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford
> >> >> >> >> Languages" > >
> >> >> >> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Female
> >> >> >> >> > > Noun
> >> >> >> >> > > an adult female human being.
> >> >> >> >> > > > Woman > adjective > of or denoting the sex that can bear
> >> >> >> >> > offspring or produce eggs, > distinguished biologically by
> >> >> >> >> > the production of gametes (ova) > which can be fertilized by
> >> >> >> >> > male gametes. > > Mikek Biden explicitely stated that he
> >> >> >> >> > would nominate a "black woman" but the woman in question
> >> >> >> >> > doesn't know what he meant because she's not a biologist
> >> >> >> >> > even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
> >> >> >> >> > understand why you have trouble understanding that.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their
> >> >> >> >> driver's license.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
> >> >> >It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
> >> >> >parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone with a Y should not compete in girls' sports. Y makes serious
> >> >> physical differences.
> >> >
> >> >That's sex, not gender.
> >>
> >> It's physiology. Bones, muscles, speed. Things that matter in sports.
> >>
> >> I think all the girls should just stay there and not move when the gun
> >> goes off. Let s/he take the victory lap.
> >
> >I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.
> >
>
> I was discussing chromosones.

You brouight 'sex' into a discussion about 'gender'. Gender is not
shown on any UK driving licence and the 'sex' which is shown, is not
based on chromosomes because chromosomes aren't tested. A driving
licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.

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On 26/03/22 14:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
>> Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>>> amdx wrote:
>>>>> From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>>>>>
>>>>> How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Female
>>>>> Noun
>>>>> an adult female human being.
>>>>>
>>>>> Woman
>>>>> adjective
>>>>> of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>>>>> distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>>>>> which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mikek
>>>> Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
>>>> woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
>>>> biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
>>>> understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's license.
>>
>> Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>
> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.

If only it was that simple.

What should be classification for people with these
syndromes, and why?
XXXXX
XXXX
XXX
XXXXY
XXXY
XXYY
XXYY
XYY
XYYY

I had no idea those existed!
For excellent patient info, see https://rarechromo.org/disorder-guides/

Lizard Tuddenham wrote:
=====================
>
> > >I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.
> > >
> >
> > I was discussing chromosones.

> You brouight 'sex' into a discussion about 'gender'.

** In a discussion about human beings, they are synomyms.

> Gender is not
> shown on any UK driving licence and the 'sex' which is shown,

** Synonyms.

> A driving licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.

** Course it is.

YOU are one steaming great, fucking PITA fake SJW idiot.

....... Phil

On 26/03/2022 02:40, amdx wrote:
> On 3/25/2022 5:07 PM, Rickster wrote:
>> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:07:19 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
>>>  From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>>>
>>>   How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>>>
>>>   Female
>>>   Noun
>>> an adult female human being.
>>>
>>>   Woman
>>> adjective
>>> of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>>> distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>>> which can be fertilized by male gametes.

>> I suppose you think this definition is clear?  You do understand it
>> requires you to define "male" first, right?  If you define "male" or
>> "man" similarly, you end up saying it produces "gametes" which
>> fertilize the female gametes.
>>
>> Seems rather circuitous.

Not quite. Female is more usefully defined first and is the default
development mode in parthenogenesis (which predates sexual reproduction)
to create identical clones of the parent organism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

There was a very rare stick insect made the news in the UK which was
half male and half female down the line of symmetry recently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-60375172

Rare enough it is headed for a museum ... gynandromorph.

> It seems you are confused and don't know the difference between a man
> and a woman?
>                           Mikek

A better definition from the point of view of a biologist is the sex
that provides the mitochondrial inheritance for any offspring.

Incidentally female is the default development for any organism not
under the influence of a Y chromosome (in the XY system) and there are
plenty of insects that can do female virgin births to obtain fastest
possible exponential growth when there is plenty of food about.

Garden aphids being one such common example.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

IEEE Bill the Bullshiter....@ieee.org wrote:
===================================
>
> > ** In a discussion about human beings, they are synonyms.
>
> They aren't.

** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.

> > > Gender is not shown on any UK driving licence and the 'sex' which is shown,
> >
> > ** Synonyms.
>
> Pig-ignorant error.

** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.

> > > A driving licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.
> >
> > ** Course it is.

> It's not based on genome sequencing,

** ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pure 100% FUCKING insanity !!!!!

> > YOU are one steaming great, fucking PITA fake SJW idiot.

> Actually, the steaming great pain in the behind idiot here is

** IEEE Bill Sloman = a life long, insane lying CUNTHEAD

...... Phil

On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>
> There's no social justice involved though you and John Doe might not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren't intent on being unkind to people you don't approve of.
>
  If you want social justice you don't let a few a previous men compete
against the many women that have worked their whole lives to compete.
Why is it you don't hear about transsexuals that were a woman and
transformed to a "man" now competing and taking medals from the men they
are competing against?
Because they grew up as women they don't have the same body
characteristics and strengths as a man born as a man. Testosterone is
not enough to give a woman the bone
strength, muscle strength, etc to make her the equal of a man in
competition. Just as if you grew up as a man and you take away
testosterone, you still have most of those
same characteristics that you were born with that allow you to run away
(steal) the medals from the woman.
 It is a matter of being fair to the life long women.

  In my case it has nothing to do with not approving of transsexuals or
being unkind, clearly they are uncomfortable in the body they have and
I'm sure that is difficult,
but that is not a reason to let them steal medals from young strong hard
working women.
   An interesting and confounding case is Jazz, she was put on
testosterone blockers at a very early age. Physically you don't see any
male characteristics, she never developed
the physical changes a male has at puberty. Because of the early
testosterone blockers the vulvoplasty surgery had complications because
of lack of  "material" to work with.
I doubt very much that she would have any of the male characteristics to
compete and win against women.

Mikek

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On 3/27/2022 6:50 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
> IEEE Bill the Bullshiter....@ieee.org wrote:
> ===================================
> >
>>> ** In a discussion about human beings, they are synonyms.
>> They aren't.
> ** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.
>
>
>>>> Gender is not shown on any UK driving licence and the 'sex' which is shown,
>>> ** Synonyms.
>> Pig-ignorant error.
> ** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.
>
>>>> A driving licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.
>>> ** Course it is.
>> It's not based on genome sequencing,
> ** ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Pure 100% FUCKING insanity !!!!!
>
>
>>> YOU are one steaming great, fucking PITA fake SJW idiot.
>> Actually, the steaming great pain in the behind idiot here is
> ** IEEE Bill Sloman = a life long, insane lying CUNTHEAD
>
>
>
>
>
> ..... Phil
That's the Phil we know and love!  LOL
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On 3/27/2022 4:25 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 26/03/22 14:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>
>>> Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>>>> amdx wrote:
>>>>>>  From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Female
>>>>>> Noun
>>>>>> an adult female human being.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Woman
>>>>>> adjective
>>>>>> of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>>>>>> distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>>>>>> which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mikek
>>>>> Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman"
>>>>> but the
>>>>> woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
>>>>> biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
>>>>> understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their
>>>> driver's license.
>>>
>>> Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>>
>> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>
> If only it was that simple.
>
> What should be classification for people with these
> syndromes, and why?
> XXXXX
> XXXX
> XXX
> XXXXY
> XXXY
> XXYY
> XXYY
> XYY
> XYYY
>
> I had no idea those existed!
> For excellent patient info, see https://rarechromo.org/disorder-guides/
>
  Yes, I wish a I had an answer that would create fairness to all.
But, I'm at a loss.
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On 3/27/2022 6:24 AM, John Doe wrote:
> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> amdx wrote:
>>> Rickster wrote:
>>>> amdx wrote:
>>>>> From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>>>>>
>>>>> How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Female
>>>>> Noun
>>>>> an adult female human being.
>>>>>
>>>>> Woman, adjective
>>>>> of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>>>>> distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which
>>>>> can be fertilized by male gametes.
>>>> I suppose you think this definition is clear?  You do understand it
>>>> requires you to define "male" first, right?  If you define "male" or
>>>> "man" similarly, you end up saying it produces "gametes" which
>>>> fertilize the female gametes.
>>>>
>>>> Seems rather circuitous.
>> Not quite. Female is more usefully defined first and is the default
>> development mode in parthenogenesis (which predates sexual reproduction)
>> to create identical clones of the parent organism.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis
>>
>> There was a very rare stick insect made the news in the UK which was
>> half male and half female down the line of symmetry recently.
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-60375172
>>
>> Rare enough it is headed for a museum ... gynandromorph.
>>
>>> It seems you are confused and don't know the difference between a man
>>> and a woman?
>> A better definition from the point of view of a biologist is the sex
>> that provides the mitochondrial inheritance for any offspring.
> I'm not a vet, but I know what a dog is.
>
> What is the primary purpose for a woman's breasts?
 Before or after a male hits puberty? :-)

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:25:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>On 26/03/22 14:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>
>>> Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>>>> amdx wrote:
>>>>>> From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Female
>>>>>> Noun
>>>>>> an adult female human being.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Woman
>>>>>> adjective
>>>>>> of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>>>>>> distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>>>>>> which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mikek
>>>>> Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
>>>>> woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
>>>>> biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
>>>>> understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's license.
>>>
>>> Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>>
>> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>
>If only it was that simple.

But my statement is.

>
>What should be classification for people with these
>syndromes, and why?
>XXXXX
>XXXX
>XXX
>XXXXY
>XXXY
>XXYY
>XXYY
>XYY
>XYYY
>
>I had no idea those existed!

The term "intersex" is used if the obvious physical signs are
ambiguous. There are also cases where an XY appears to be fully
female.

But girls sports will be destroyed if mature, big, muscular, mediocre
XY atheletes can call themselves female and blow away all the records.

One thing that impresses me is how critters with various genetic
defects still survive. There is something extraordinarily adaptive
about DNA-based life.

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 02:26:17 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lizard Tuddenham wrote:
>=====================
> >
>> > >I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I was discussing chromosones.
>
>> You brouight 'sex' into a discussion about 'gender'.
>
>** In a discussion about human beings, they are synomyms.
>
>> Gender is not
>> shown on any UK driving licence and the 'sex' which is shown,
>
>** Synonyms.

Some people think that words change physical reality.

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:45:58 -0500, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

>On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>
>> There's no social justice involved though you and John Doe might not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren't intent on being unkind to people you don't approve of.
>>
>   If you want social justice you don't let a few a previous men compete
>against the many women that have worked their whole lives to compete.

We have Special Olympics. We should have Trans Olympics.

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On 3/27/2022 9:22 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:46:06 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
>> On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>> There's no social justice involved though you and John Doe might not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren't intent on being unkind to people you don't approve of.
>>>
>> If you want social justice you don't let a few a previous men compete
>> against the many women that have worked their whole lives to compete.
> Very few women work their whole livest to compete in sporting events.

Yes Billy, I knew when I wrote that,  it wasn't their /whole/ life, as
does everyone else. I'm glad that was the best argument you had.
 I should have said substantial part of their lives, but at the time I
couldn't come up with the proper wording even though I knew it needed
something more exacting. I'm happy you had something to nitpick.

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On 3/27/2022 9:36 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:53:05 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
>> On 3/27/2022 6:24 AM, John Doe wrote:
>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> amdx wrote:
>>>>> Rickster wrote:
>>>>>> amdx wrote:
>>> What is the primary purpose for a woman's breasts?
> They are an evolved feature. Every female of every mammalian species has them, and the general opinion is that they are useful for feeding infants. Asking what their "primary purpose" is asserts that the evolutionary process has a purpose, which is the sort of error that intelligent design enthusiasts go in for.
>
> So it was the kind of silly question you'd expect from John Doe.
>
>> Before or after a male hits puberty? :-)
> And this is an even sillier response.
>
 Does that mean you got the humor or did just whoosh by your humorless
personality?

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On 3/27/2022 11:06 AM, amdx wrote:
> On 3/27/2022 9:22 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:46:06 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>>> There's no social justice involved though you and John Doe might
>>>> not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren't
>>>> intent on being unkind to people you don't approve of.
>>>> If you want social justice you don't let a few a previous men
>>>> compete against the many women that have worked their whole lives
>>>> to compete.
>>>> Why is it you don't hear about transsexuals that were a woman and
>>>> transformed to a "man" now competing and taking medals from the men
>>>> they are competing against?
>>>> Because they grew up as women they don't have the same body
>>>> characteristics and strengths as a man born as a man. Testosterone
>>>> is not enough to give a woman the bone
>>>> strength, muscle strength, etc to make her the equal of a man in
>>>> competition. Just as if you grew up as a man and you take away
>>>> testosterone, you still have most of those
>>>> same characteristics that you were born with that allow you to run
>>>> away (steal) the medals from the woman.
>>>>  It is a matter of being fair to the life long women.
>>>>
>>>>   In my case it has nothing to do with not approving of
>>>> transsexuals or being unkind, clearly they are uncomfortable in the
>>>> body they have and I'm sure that is difficult,
>>>> but that is not a reason to let them steal medals from young strong
>>>> hard working women.
>>>>    An interesting and confounding case is Jazz, she was put on
>>>> testosterone blockers at a very early age. Physically you don't see
>>>> any male characteristics, she never developed
>>>> the physical changes a male has at puberty. Because of the early
>>>> testosterone blockers the vulvoplasty surgery had complications
>>>> because of lack of  "material" to work with.
>>>> I doubt very much that she would have any of the male
>>>> characteristics to compete and win against women.
>>>>
>>>> Mikek
>>>
>> Very few women work their whole livest to compete in sporting events.
>
>

I just went back and re-posted my whole post that you clipped.
You seemed to have had a real failure in rebuttal, are you changing your
opinion on this subject.
Maybe we can come to an agreement to help these transsexuals without
scarring our young women.

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<jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> One thing that impresses me is how critters with various genetic
> defects still survive. There is something extraordinarily adaptive
> about DNA-based life.

The misunderstanding is because people try to put value judgements on
genetic variations. They are just variation, not defects.

If the orginism survives, they are neutral variations; if it does better
or worse because of them, they are advantageous or disadvantageous
variations. Which they are will depend on the circumstances and may be
different in different environments.

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amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

> On 3/27/2022 11:06 AM, amdx wrote:
> > On 3/27/2022 9:22 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> >> On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:46:06 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
> >>> On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> >>>> There's no social justice involved though you and John Doe might
> >>>> not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren't
> >>>> intent on being unkind to people you don't approve of.
> >>>> If you want social justice you don't let a few a previous men
> >>>> compete against the many women that have worked their whole lives
> >>>> to compete.
> >>>> Why is it you don't hear about transsexuals that were a woman and
> >>>> transformed to a "man" now competing and taking medals from the men
> >>>> they are competing against?
> >>>> Because they grew up as women they don't have the same body
> >>>> characteristics and strengths as a man born as a man. Testosterone
> >>>> is not enough to give a woman the bone
> >>>> strength, muscle strength, etc to make her the equal of a man in
> >>>> competition. Just as if you grew up as a man and you take away
> >>>> testosterone, you still have most of those
> >>>> same characteristics that you were born with that allow you to run
> >>>> away (steal) the medals from the woman.
> >>>>  It is a matter of being fair to the life long women.
> >>>>
> >>>>   In my case it has nothing to do with not approving of
> >>>> transsexuals or being unkind, clearly they are uncomfortable in the
> >>>> body they have and I'm sure that is difficult,
> >>>> but that is not a reason to let them steal medals from young strong
> >>>> hard working women.
> >>>>    An interesting and confounding case is Jazz, she was put on
> >>>> testosterone blockers at a very early age. Physically you don't see
> >>>> any male characteristics, she never developed
> >>>> the physical changes a male has at puberty. Because of the early
> >>>> testosterone blockers the vulvoplasty surgery had complications
> >>>> because of lack of  "material" to work with.
> >>>> I doubt very much that she would have any of the male
> >>>> characteristics to compete and win against women.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mikek
> >>>
> >> Very few women work their whole livest to compete in sporting events.
> >
> >
>
> I just went back and re-posted my whole post that you clipped.
> You seemed to have had a real failure in rebuttal, are you changing your
> opinion on this subject.
> Maybe we can come to an agreement to help these transsexuals without
> scarring our young women.

Sport is inherently unfair, which is why some sort of 'evening-up' is
needed to make competition work. Basing the categories on real
parameters, such as weight, muscle percentage, bone length or whatever
happens to be appropriate for the particular sport, would be a much
fairer way than basing it on what the midwife saw when the baby was
born.

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