On 3/27/2022 11:55 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/27/2022 11:06 AM, amdx wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2022 9:22 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:46:06 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
>>>>> On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> There's no social justice involved though you and John Doe might
>>>>>> not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren't
>>>>>> intent on being unkind to people you don't approve of.
>>>>>> If you want social justice you don't let a few a previous men
>>>>>> compete against the many women that have worked their whole lives
>>>>>> to compete.
>>>>>> Why is it you don't hear about transsexuals that were a woman and
>>>>>> transformed to a "man" now competing and taking medals from the men
>>>>>> they are competing against?
>>>>>> Because they grew up as women they don't have the same body
>>>>>> characteristics and strengths as a man born as a man. Testosterone
>>>>>> is not enough to give a woman the bone
>>>>>> strength, muscle strength, etc to make her the equal of a man in
>>>>>> competition. Just as if you grew up as a man and you take away
>>>>>> testosterone, you still have most of those
>>>>>> same characteristics that you were born with that allow you to run
>>>>>> away (steal) the medals from the woman.
>>>>>>  It is a matter of being fair to the life long women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   In my case it has nothing to do with not approving of
>>>>>> transsexuals or being unkind, clearly they are uncomfortable in the
>>>>>> body they have and I'm sure that is difficult,
>>>>>> but that is not a reason to let them steal medals from young strong
>>>>>> hard working women.
>>>>>>    An interesting and confounding case is Jazz, she was put on
>>>>>> testosterone blockers at a very early age. Physically you don't see
>>>>>> any male characteristics, she never developed
>>>>>> the physical changes a male has at puberty. Because of the early
>>>>>> testosterone blockers the vulvoplasty surgery had complications
>>>>>> because of lack of  "material" to work with.
>>>>>> I doubt very much that she would have any of the male
>>>>>> characteristics to compete and win against women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mikek
>>>> Very few women work their whole livest to compete in sporting events.
>>>
>> I just went back and re-posted my whole post that you clipped.
>> You seemed to have had a real failure in rebuttal, are you changing your
>> opinion on this subject.
>> Maybe we can come to an agreement to help these transsexuals without
>> scarring our young women.
>
> Sport is inherently unfair, which is why some sort of 'evening-up' is
> needed to make competition work. Basing the categories on real
> parameters, such as weight, muscle percentage, bone length or whatever
> happens to be appropriate for the particular sport, would be a much
> fairer way than basing it on what the midwife saw when the baby was
> born.
>
>
 I'm not sure I really follow that, you go to a high school and join
the football team, you play if you're good enough. You go to a university
and you getting close to the cream of human abilities, there is no
evening up.
 Where is the evening up it Professional sports, if you don't excel,
you don't play.

>>Basing the categories on real parameters, such as weight, muscle percentage, bone length or whatever
happens to be appropriate for the particular sport,<<

Yes, and the heavier, longer bone, or whatever happens to be appropriate for the particular sport,
are, the previous men parading as women and stealing medals and glory from females.

Mikek

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amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

> On 3/27/2022 11:55 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> > amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/27/2022 11:06 AM, amdx wrote:
> >>> On 3/27/2022 9:22 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:46:06 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
> >>>>> On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> >>>>>> There's no social justice involved though you and John Doe might
> >>>>>> not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren't
> >>>>>> intent on being unkind to people you don't approve of.
> >>>>>> If you want social justice you don't let a few a previous men
> >>>>>> compete against the many women that have worked their whole lives
> >>>>>> to compete.
> >>>>>> Why is it you don't hear about transsexuals that were a woman and
> >>>>>> transformed to a "man" now competing and taking medals from the men
> >>>>>> they are competing against?
> >>>>>> Because they grew up as women they don't have the same body
> >>>>>> characteristics and strengths as a man born as a man. Testosterone
> >>>>>> is not enough to give a woman the bone
> >>>>>> strength, muscle strength, etc to make her the equal of a man in
> >>>>>> competition. Just as if you grew up as a man and you take away
> >>>>>> testosterone, you still have most of those
> >>>>>> same characteristics that you were born with that allow you to run
> >>>>>> away (steal) the medals from the woman.
> >>>>>>  It is a matter of being fair to the life long women.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   In my case it has nothing to do with not approving of
> >>>>>> transsexuals or being unkind, clearly they are uncomfortable in the
> >>>>>> body they have and I'm sure that is difficult,
> >>>>>> but that is not a reason to let them steal medals from young strong
> >>>>>> hard working women.
> >>>>>>    An interesting and confounding case is Jazz, she was put on
> >>>>>> testosterone blockers at a very early age. Physically you don't see
> >>>>>> any male characteristics, she never developed
> >>>>>> the physical changes a male has at puberty. Because of the early
> >>>>>> testosterone blockers the vulvoplasty surgery had complications
> >>>>>> because of lack of  "material" to work with.
> >>>>>> I doubt very much that she would have any of the male
> >>>>>> characteristics to compete and win against women.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mikek
> >>>> Very few women work their whole livest to compete in sporting events.
> >>>
> >> I just went back and re-posted my whole post that you clipped.
> >> You seemed to have had a real failure in rebuttal, are you changing your
> >> opinion on this subject.
> >> Maybe we can come to an agreement to help these transsexuals without
> >> scarring our young women.
> >
> > Sport is inherently unfair, which is why some sort of 'evening-up' is
> > needed to make competition work. Basing the categories on real
> > parameters, such as weight, muscle percentage, bone length or whatever
> > happens to be appropriate for the particular sport, would be a much
> > fairer way than basing it on what the midwife saw when the baby was
> > born.
> >
> >
>  I'm not sure I really follow that, you go to a high school and join
> the football team, you play if you're good enough. You go to a university
> and you getting close to the cream of human abilities, there is no
> evening up.
>  Where is the evening up it Professional sports, if you don't excel,
> you don't play.

In some sports there are categories of players, otherwise accident of
physical development would make it not worth competing for most players.
>
>
> >>Basing the categories on real parameters, such as weight, muscle
> percentage, bone length or whatever happens to be appropriate for the
> particular sport,<<
>
> Yes, and the heavier, longer bone, or whatever happens to be appropriate
> for the particular sport, are, the previous men parading as women and
> stealing medals and glory from females.

Male/Female is an inaccurate substitute for the real cause of the
unfairness, which is physical development. By categorising players by
the actual characteristics that are most appropriate to the sport, you
would get a much fairer system. It is done in horse racing and some
other sports, so it isn't exactly a revolutionary idea.

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On 3/27/2022 2:37 PM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/27/2022 11:55 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/27/2022 11:06 AM, amdx wrote:
>>>>> On 3/27/2022 9:22 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:46:06 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>> There's no social justice involved though you and John Doe might
>>>>>>>> not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren't
>>>>>>>> intent on being unkind to people you don't approve of.
>>>>>>>> If you want social justice you don't let a few a previous men
>>>>>>>> compete against the many women that have worked their whole lives
>>>>>>>> to compete.
>>>>>>>> Why is it you don't hear about transsexuals that were a woman and
>>>>>>>> transformed to a "man" now competing and taking medals from the men
>>>>>>>> they are competing against?
>>>>>>>> Because they grew up as women they don't have the same body
>>>>>>>> characteristics and strengths as a man born as a man. Testosterone
>>>>>>>> is not enough to give a woman the bone
>>>>>>>> strength, muscle strength, etc to make her the equal of a man in
>>>>>>>> competition. Just as if you grew up as a man and you take away
>>>>>>>> testosterone, you still have most of those
>>>>>>>> same characteristics that you were born with that allow you to run
>>>>>>>> away (steal) the medals from the woman.
>>>>>>>>  It is a matter of being fair to the life long women.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   In my case it has nothing to do with not approving of
>>>>>>>> transsexuals or being unkind, clearly they are uncomfortable in the
>>>>>>>> body they have and I'm sure that is difficult,
>>>>>>>> but that is not a reason to let them steal medals from young strong
>>>>>>>> hard working women.
>>>>>>>>    An interesting and confounding case is Jazz, she was put on
>>>>>>>> testosterone blockers at a very early age. Physically you don't see
>>>>>>>> any male characteristics, she never developed
>>>>>>>> the physical changes a male has at puberty. Because of the early
>>>>>>>> testosterone blockers the vulvoplasty surgery had complications
>>>>>>>> because of lack of  "material" to work with.
>>>>>>>> I doubt very much that she would have any of the male
>>>>>>>> characteristics to compete and win against women.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mikek
>>>>>> Very few women work their whole livest to compete in sporting events.
>>>> I just went back and re-posted my whole post that you clipped.
>>>> You seemed to have had a real failure in rebuttal, are you changing your
>>>> opinion on this subject.
>>>> Maybe we can come to an agreement to help these transsexuals without
>>>> scarring our young women.
>>> Sport is inherently unfair, which is why some sort of 'evening-up' is
>>> needed to make competition work. Basing the categories on real
>>> parameters, such as weight, muscle percentage, bone length or whatever
>>> happens to be appropriate for the particular sport, would be a much
>>> fairer way than basing it on what the midwife saw when the baby was
>>> born.
>>>
>>>
>>  I'm not sure I really follow that, you go to a high school and join
>> the football team, you play if you're good enough. You go to a university
>> and you getting close to the cream of human abilities, there is no
>> evening up.
>>  Where is the evening up it Professional sports, if you don't excel,
>> you don't play.
> In some sports there are categories of players, otherwise accident of
> physical development would make it not worth competing for most players.

 Ah yes, like weightlifting they do take body weight into consideration.
So does that mean you want a 150 lb woman to compete against a 150 lb man?
I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or making an argument against.
As you know when a male enters puberty, testosterone enhances bone
strength, muscle strength
along with assertiveness. That's why men and women don't compete against
each other in most sports,
and I can't think of any that do at elite levels.
Previous males have an unfair advantage because of bone strength, muscle
strength and a more male physique when competing against life long women.

                               Mikek

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:
==================
> >
>
> Sport is inherently unfair,

** Massive lie - LIFE is inherently unfair.

OTOH competitive sports attempt to create analogies to life that ARE fair and can be seen to be so.
Competitors follow sets of rules, officials ensure those rules are followed and the result clear.
It all happens in public view too. Nothing like life.

In sport, the fittest, the strongest the most able win.
The *whole idea* is to find such people - aka champions.

BTW you are one evil, fake SJW.

...... Phil

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

> <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>
>> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> >> > amdx wrote:
>> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>> >> > >
>> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Female
>> >> > > Noun
>> >> > > an adult female human being.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Woman
>> >> > > adjective
>> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Mikek
>> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
>> >> > woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
>> >> > biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
>> >> > understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
>> >> license.
>> >
>> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>>
>> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>
> I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
> It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
> parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
>
> In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.

We're not interested in your new age shit. Sex/gender is male or female. Easy enough to tell if you strip off. Your desire can be all sorts of things, some of which our antiquated legal system frowns upon, but that doesn't affect what you are. A poofter is still a man.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:38:55 -0000, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
>> <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>> >> > amdx wrote:
>>> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Female
>>> >> > > Noun
>>> >> > > an adult female human being.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Woman
>>> >> > > adjective
>>> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>>> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>>> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Mikek
>>> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
>>> >> > woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
>>> >> > biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
>>> >> > understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
>>> >> license.
>>> >
>>> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>>>
>>> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>>
>> I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
>> It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
>> parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
>>
>> In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
>
> Anyone with a Y should not compete in girls' sports. Y makes serious
> physical differences.

No no no, lesbians.... er feminists state quite clearly that women are equal, therefore every human should compete in sports together, preferably naked.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:02:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>> >> > amdx wrote:
>>> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Female
>>> >> > > Noun
>>> >> > > an adult female human being.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Woman
>>> >> > > adjective
>>> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>>> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>>> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Mikek
>>> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
>>> >> > woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
>>> >> > biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
>>> >> > understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
>>> >> license.
>>> >
>>> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>>>
>>> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>>
>> I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
>> It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
>> parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
>>
>> In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
>
>We're not interested in your new age shit. Sex/gender is male or female. Easy enough to tell if you strip off. Your desire can be all sorts of things, some of which our antiquated legal system frowns upon, but that doesn't affect what you are. A poofter is still a man.

Some people are genetically intersex, and some people are very
uncomfortable playing their expected gender roles. I think we should
be kind and tolerant to them, but don't let giant males call
themselves women and destroy girls' sports.

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:41:01 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:02:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>>> >> > amdx wrote:
>>>> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Female
>>>> >> > > Noun
>>>> >> > > an adult female human being.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Woman
>>>> >> > > adjective
>>>> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>>>> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>>>> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Mikek
>>>> >> > Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
>>>> >> > woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
>>>> >> > biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
>>>> >> > understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
>>>> >> license.
>>>> >
>>>> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>>>>
>>>> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>>>
>>> I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
>>> It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
>>> parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
>>>
>>> In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
>>
>> We're not interested in your new age shit. Sex/gender is male or female. Easy enough to tell if you strip off. Your desire can be all sorts of things, some of which our antiquated legal system frowns upon, but that doesn't affect what you are. A poofter is still a man.
>
> Some people are genetically intersex,

They have a cock or a vagina. They're one or the other.

> and some people are very uncomfortable playing their expected gender roles.

That doesn't change what sex they are. If someone with a cock fancies men, or wants to behave like a woman, that does not make him a woman.

> I think we should be kind and tolerant to them, but don't let giant males call
> themselves women and destroy girls' sports.

Sports should allow anyone of any sex or persuasion. Just let humans compete against humans. Women are equal aren't they? Remember, they're not the weaker sex, or so they keep telling us. Let's see them put their money where their mouth is.

On 3/27/2022 5:41 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:02:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>>>>>> amdx wrote:
>>>>>>>> From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Female
>>>>>>>> Noun
>>>>>>>> an adult female human being.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Woman
>>>>>>>> adjective
>>>>>>>> of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>>>>>>>> distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>>>>>>>> which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mikek
>>>>>>> Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black woman" but the
>>>>>>> woman in question doesn't know what he meant because she's not a
>>>>>>> biologist even though sex isn't determined by biology. I don't
>>>>>>> understand why you have trouble understanding that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
>>>>>> license.
>>>>> Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>>>> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>>> I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
>>> It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
>>> parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
>>>
>>> In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
>> We're not interested in your new age shit. Sex/gender is male or female. Easy enough to tell if you strip off. Your desire can be all sorts of things, some of which our antiquated legal system frowns upon, but that doesn't affect what you are. A poofter is still a man.
> Some people are genetically intersex, and some people are very
> uncomfortable playing their expected gender roles. I think we should
> be kind and tolerant to them, but don't let giant males call
> themselves women and destroy girls' sports.
>
>
>
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On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 8:23:35 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 3:09:56 AM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
> > On 3/27/2022 9:36 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:53:05 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
> > >> On 3/27/2022 6:24 AM, John Doe wrote:
> > >>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>>> amdx wrote:
> > >>>>> Rickster wrote:
> > >>>>>> amdx wrote:
> > >>> What is the primary purpose for a woman's breasts?
> > >
> > > They are an evolved feature. Every female of every mammalian species has them, and the general opinion is that they are useful for feeding infants. Asking what their "primary purpose" is asserts that the evolutionary process has a purpose, which is the sort of error that intelligent design enthusiasts go in for.
> > >
> > > So it was the kind of silly question you'd expect from John Doe.
> > >
> > >> Before or after a male hits puberty? :-)
> > >
> > > And this is an even sillier response.
> > >
> > Does that mean you got the humor or did just whoosh by your humorless personality?
> Not exactly. I do have a sense of humour. You don't - if you had you might not have made quite such a silly assertion.
>
> Your thinking that what you posted was any kind of joke does illustrate this point rather clearly.
>
> If you have posted something like. "Pre- and post-pubescent males have different ideas about the significance of the female breast" you might have been making a joke, but "significance:' isn't "purpose". Nothing evolved has a "purpose". Evolution doesn't work that way.
>
> There may be a joke to be made about John Doe's deluded idea that a woman's breast could have a "purpose", but I couldn't find one. I clearly need a better sense of humour. The one I've got is okay, but Rowan Atkinson clearly got a better one - he could do well enough out of it to give up on electronic engineering. His M.Sc thesis, published in 1978, considered the application of self-tuning control, and he did start on a Ph.D. but his theatrical career took off at the that point. I did get a couple of revue scripts performed at that stage in my career, but they didn't go down well enough to generate any job offers.
>
> --
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Hey SNIPPERMAN, you obviously don't have any kids, at least naturally conceived ones, because you would KNOW what the purpose of women's breasts is if you did.

FUCKWIT IEEE Bill puked more bullshit:

==================================
>
> Gender dysphoria is a mental conditions, and the best - and pretty much the only - treatment that works,
> involves changing the body of the sufferer into one that looks like the body of the preferred sex.

** Only IF that make them hard to distinguish from real women.
A very rare feat indeed.

> Taking part in sport as a member of the preferred sex is one of the activities that reinforces the desired mental state.

** ONLY if the female athletes accept them as one of them.

Which is totally unheard of.

FYI to all:

NOTHING the demented IEEE Bill fuckwit posts has ANY relationship to reality.

Cos his ASD fucked brain has no such connection whatsoever !!!!!!

...... Phil

Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> They aren't previous men because they wanted to do well in women's sport.
>Gender dysphoria is a mental conditions, and the best - and pretty much
>the only - treatment that works, involves changing the body of the
>sufferer into one that looks like the body of the preferred sex. Taking
>part in sport as a member of the preferred sex is one of the activities
>that reinforces the desired mental state.

Absolutely correct., although in my case I was subjected to so much
bullying in school at so-called sport that I spent most of my time
trying hard to avoid it.

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Liz Tuddenham
> <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> >> >> > amdx wrote:
> >> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Female
> >> >> > > Noun
> >> >> > > an adult female human being.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Woman
> >> >> > > adjective
> >> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
> >> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
> >> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Mikek Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black
> >> >> > woman" but the woman in question doesn't know what he meant
> >> >> > because she's not a biologist even though sex isn't determined by
> >> >> > biology. I don't understand why you have trouble understanding
> >> >> > that.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
> >> >> license.
> >> >
> >> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
> >>
> >> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
> >
> > I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
> > It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
> > parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
> >
> > In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
>
> We're not interested in your new age shit. Sex/gender is male or female.
>Easy enough to tell if you strip off. Your desire can be all sorts of
>things, some of which our antiquated legal system frowns upon, but that
>doesn't affect what you are. A poofter is still a man.

That's an infant-school level of explanation. If you had studied
biology to even 'entry level' you would know it was completely wrong.

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Lizard Tuddenham wrote:

==========================
>
> Absolutely correct.

* No, it is utter total CRAP.

> although in my case I was subjected to so much
> bullying in school at so-called sport

** Really ??

So fat, un-cordinated, totally stupid as well as autistic.
Lucky you were not beaten up daily.

....... Phil

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 04:52:15 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 9:45:06 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:41:01 +0100, <jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:02:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Liz Tuddenham <l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >>> <jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>> >>>> >Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> >>>> >> > amdx wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Sports should allow anyone of any sex or persuasion. Just let humans compete against humans. Women are equal aren't they? Remember, they're not the weaker sex, or so they keep telling us. Let's see them put their money where their mouth is.
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-49284389

In ALL sports.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 09:28:56 +0100, Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Liz Tuddenham
>> <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> >> >> > amdx wrote:
>> >> >> > > From Google, "Definitions fro Oxford Languages"
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > How long before Googles deletes these definitions?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Female
>> >> >> > > Noun
>> >> >> > > an adult female human being.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Woman
>> >> >> > > adjective
>> >> >> > > of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
>> >> >> > > distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
>> >> >> > > which can be fertilized by male gametes.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Mikek Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a "black
>> >> >> > woman" but the woman in question doesn't know what he meant
>> >> >> > because she's not a biologist even though sex isn't determined by
>> >> >> > biology. I don't understand why you have trouble understanding
>> >> >> > that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver's
>> >> >> license.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mine only shows 'sex', not 'gender'.
>> >>
>> >> Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.
>> >
>> > I don't know whether I have or not, I've never had a chromosome test.
>> > It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
>> > parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).
>> >
>> > In any case, gender isn't determined by chromosomes.
>>
>> We're not interested in your new age shit. Sex/gender is male or female.
>> Easy enough to tell if you strip off. Your desire can be all sorts of
>> things, some of which our antiquated legal system frowns upon, but that
>> doesn't affect what you are. A poofter is still a man.
>
> That's an infant-school level of explanation. If you had studied
> biology to even 'entry level' you would know it was completely wrong.

ROTFPMSL! Yeah ok.... Can you get pregnant or can you make someone pregnant?

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 14:54:53 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 9:53:23 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 04:52:15 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 9:45:06 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:41:01 +0100, <jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:02:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Liz Tuddenham <l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >>> <jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>> >> >>>> >Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> > amdx wrote:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> >> Sports should allow anyone of any sex or persuasion. Just let humans compete against humans. Women are equal aren't they? Remember, they're not the weaker sex, or so they keep telling us. Let's see them put their money where their mouth is.
>> >
>> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-49284389
>>
>> In ALL sports.
>
> It probably wouldn't be a popular idea in all sports. When you have weight classes in sports like boxing, weight-lifting and wrestling, even our sillier right-wing posters should be able work out that it isn't going to be universally popular.

Why not have the same weight of woman against the same weight of man?

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:41:19 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:02:45 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 14:54:53 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 9:53:23 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 04:52:15 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 9:45:06 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:41:01 +0100, <jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:02:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Liz Tuddenham <l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> <jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> >Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> >> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> >> > amdx wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > <snip>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Sports should allow anyone of any sex or persuasion. Just let humans compete against humans. Women are equal aren't they? Remember, they're not the weaker sex, or so they keep telling us. Let's see them put their money where their mouth is.
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-49284389
>> >>
>> >> In ALL sports.
>> >
>> > It probably wouldn't be a popular idea in all sports. When you have weight classes in sports like boxing, weight-lifting and wrestling, even our sillier right-wing posters should be able work out that it isn't going to be universally popular.
>>
>> Why not have the same weight of woman against the same weight of man?
>
> It's impractical. Weight isn't all that stable. More to the point, weight isn't an advantage in a lot of sports. Weight classes for sprinters and longer distance runners wouldn't make a lot of sense. This won't worry our sillier right-wing posters, who essentially post daft proposals to get noticed, but it is a waste4 of bandwidth.

Quite why you associate left/right wing politics with sports decisions I don't know.

If I made the rules, there would be no groups at all, no men/women, no weights, no heights, no nothing. Just who is the best at wrestling, weightlifting, running x metres, etc. Anyone can enter. What's the point in letting in those who are rubbish at the sport and giving them an excuse?

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 09:28:55 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

>Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
>> They aren't previous men because they wanted to do well in women's sport.
>>Gender dysphoria is a mental conditions, and the best - and pretty much
>>the only - treatment that works, involves changing the body of the
>>sufferer into one that looks like the body of the preferred sex. Taking
>>part in sport as a member of the preferred sex is one of the activities
>>that reinforces the desired mental state.
>
>Absolutely correct., although in my case I was subjected to so much
>bullying in school at so-called sport that I spent most of my time
>trying hard to avoid it.

But surely some of the cases of transgenderism are faked, mediocre
male atheletes that call themselves female and become world-famous.
The #50 male player in many sports can be #1 against females.

We have guys here in California prisons who declare themselves female
to get transferred to womens' prisons, with some predictable results.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

<jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 09:28:55 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> >Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> They aren't previous men because they wanted to do well in women's sport.
> >>Gender dysphoria is a mental conditions, and the best - and pretty much
> >>the only - treatment that works, involves changing the body of the
> >>sufferer into one that looks like the body of the preferred sex. Taking
> >>part in sport as a member of the preferred sex is one of the activities
> >>that reinforces the desired mental state.
> >
> >Absolutely correct., although in my case I was subjected to so much
> >bullying in school at so-called sport that I spent most of my time
> >trying hard to avoid it.
>
> But surely some of the cases of transgenderism are faked,

Very very few indeed. That is no reason for penalising the thousands of
genuine transgender people who are faced with a choice between
transitioning and suicide.

It would have to be a very strange person indeed who was willing to go
through what transgender people suffer in order to score a few points or
gain a few moments of access to women's spaces. They should be fairly
easily spotted by anyone with a bit of specialised knowledge.

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 17:01:43 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

><jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 09:28:55 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>
>> >Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> They aren't previous men because they wanted to do well in women's sport.
>> >>Gender dysphoria is a mental conditions, and the best - and pretty much
>> >>the only - treatment that works, involves changing the body of the
>> >>sufferer into one that looks like the body of the preferred sex. Taking
>> >>part in sport as a member of the preferred sex is one of the activities
>> >>that reinforces the desired mental state.
>> >
>> >Absolutely correct., although in my case I was subjected to so much
>> >bullying in school at so-called sport that I spent most of my time
>> >trying hard to avoid it.
>>
>> But surely some of the cases of transgenderism are faked,
>
>Very very few indeed. That is no reason for penalising the thousands of
>genuine transgender people who are faced with a choice between
>transitioning and suicide.

They don't need to play girls sports to prevent suicide.

>
>It would have to be a very strange person indeed who was willing to go
>through what transgender people suffer in order to score a few points or
>gain a few moments of access to women's spaces. They should be fairly
>easily spotted by anyone with a bit of specialised knowledge.

Exactly. Scams.

Some people cheat.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

Liz Tuddenham = LIAR wrote:

=========================
> > >
> > >Absolutely correct., although in my case I was subjected to so much
> > >bullying in school at so-called sport that I spent most of my time
> > >trying hard to avoid it.
> >

** So Lizard is a sports HATER !!

Don't it half fucking show !!!!

> > But surely some of the cases of transgenderism are faked,

> Very very few indeed.

** All the male athletes who have taken wins off women recently are FAKES.
Sporting bodies ( like the IOC ) have made up stupid rules re * gender" and they chose to EXPLOIT them.
You have to really HATE women to do that.

FYI:

Possibly the most famous trans in women's sport was "Renee Richards," a tennis player.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards
Made a full transition at age 43, then took legal action to *force* world tennis to accept "her".
She now believes she did bad thing and dos not approve of the present rules.
Renee admits that IF she had transitioned when say 24, she would have dominated women's tennis for years.
And ruined the sport.

....... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:
==============
>
> ** All the male athletes who have taken wins off women recently are FAKES.
> Sporting bodies ( like the IOC ) have made up stupid rules re * gender" and they chose to EXPLOIT them.
> You have to really HATE women to do that.
>
> FYI:
>
> Possibly the most famous trans in women's sport was "Renee Richards," a tennis player.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards
>
> Made a full transition at age 43, then took legal action to *force* world tennis to accept "her".
> She now believes she did bad thing and dos not approve of the present rules.
> Renee admits that IF she had transitioned when say 24, she would have dominated women's tennis for years.
> And ruined the sport.
>

** See Martina Navratilova speaking on this exact topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsl73twV1ZM

She knows ALL about dominating women's tennis.

........ Phil

FUCKWIT IEE Bill puked again bill....@ieee.org wrote:

===========================================

**JL scribed:
> >
> > They don't need to play girls sports to prevent suicide.
>
> It's part of the process of getting them to fit in as girls.

** By making every other competitor HATE their guts and ruing a whole sport
How very intelligent.

> The frivolous objections of creeps like John Doe and Phil Allison

** How fucking amusing.

Hysterical how " IEEE Bill " actually LIKES having his own stinking urine spray back all over him.

> Going through irreversible surgical procedures isn't the sort of cheating that happens often, if at all.

** Renee Richards did it.

Few others have though - there are SOME things a fake trans will just not do.

....... Phil

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

====================================
> >
> > If you want social justice you don't let a few a previous men compete
> > against the many women that have worked their whole lives to compete.
>
> We have Special Olympics. We should have Trans Olympics.
>

** Never work.

Fake Trans athletes only want to steal awards off women whom they deeply despise.
Cos that is like taking candy from babies.

....... Phil