On 2022-04-19 22:25, Ricky wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:55:18 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>> On 2022-04-19 21:16, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>> tirsdag den 19. april 2022 kl. 21.04.07 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>> [...]
>>>> Don't turn to the French for nuclear. They can't seem to build a
>>>> nuke for less than $20 billion these days and it will be a decade
>>>> late in commissioning. Their nuclear projects are mostly
>>>> disasters.
>>>>
>>>
>>> yeh, only 56 reactors and producing +70% of the country's electricity
>>> ...
>>>
>> The reason it's so hard to make new ones these days is the crippling
>> regulatory environment.
>
> This is the BS that so many advocate, without any basis.
>
>
>> My work also involves radioactive stuff.
>> We're so bogged down it's hard to get anything done at all.
>>
>> Of course, it's all for our own and the public's safety. You can't
>> criticize that or you'll be deemed irresponsible.
>>
>> It's almost funny. I *know* we all get a daily dose of ~10uSv, just
>> from the ordinary environment, but the extra few hundred nSv I
>> occasionally get from working on slightly radioactive stuff seems
>> to justify lots of extra rules, lots of paperwork, regular
>> inspections, special labs and protective gear. Granted, those are
>> sometimes necessary, but sheesh, a bit of common sense would be
>> welcome. A few uSv extra on occasion aren't going to make a
>> difference!
>
> Sure, but the regulations are to prevent a much larger dose. They may be a bit overboard, but you talk like you literally can't get your work done. Then you say it is "sometimes" necessary! "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
>

Well, what do you know? I'm not going to argue with you.

Jeroen Belleman

On 19/04/2022 20:29, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:

>> Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
>> de-industrialize.
>
> It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
> phased out.
>
>> There's still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
>> to find more stuff.
>>
>
> Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
> the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
> smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
> Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
> has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
> weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
> masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
> engine I hope to build in my backyard won't come for free :D.
>
>
>

The big problem with nuclear power is that it takes a long time to build
the plants. (Yes, the build cost is a problem too - but it's a problem
that can be solved by throwing money at it, unlike the time problem.)

Of course we need to start building the nuclear power plants /now/,
while we also work on short term solutions.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:02:57 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> Actually it's to do with AGGRESSIVE NATO expansion to Russia's border
> countries, since the end of the Cold War when Russia gave up those countries.

Lie #1: it's not about NATO, which is a defense agreement that, if anything,
is getting stronger because of this conflict. The 'solution' wasn't aimed at NATO.
..
Lie #2: Russia never 'gave up' any countries, they just left the USSR agreeably.
It's definitely about countries other than Russia, which is
a situation limiting Putin's power to... one country. Where he arguably has supporters.

Lie #3: the Cold War is not the issue, but rather a hot war, and looking backward
through history for Cold War and Nazis is just a propoganda tactic, akin to blaming
the ills of the world on devils.
>
> That war could have easily been prevented if not for the overinflated egos
> in Ukraine. Pride comes before the fall.

Dimwit alert! Putin claimed up to the day of invasion that he was NOT going
to war. If you believe the 'special military operation' rhetoric is meaningful,
he still claims that. No 'prevented' opportunity was clear, but the assault force
was REAL clear. Ukraine has ground forces and egos, but Putin's problem there
isn't the egos.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:20:42 -0700, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:

>On 4/19/22 10:47, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
>>> It will go on forever.
>>
>> Nope. Methinks it's an economic war. Russia just finished building
>> an $11 billion offshore natural gas pipeline to Germany primarily to
>> bypass transit charges for the existing pipelines crossing Ukraine.
>>
>> "The Engineering Behind Russia's Deadlocked Pipeline: Nord Stream 2"
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzibtVSamrY>
>>
>> As the process of certifying the pipeline blundered forward, the
>> stumbling block seemed to be getting approval by various countries
>> which stood to lose transit revenue for existing pipelines:
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Regulatory_clearance>
>>
>> "Russia-Ukraine gas disputes"
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes>
>>
>> It seems to be an amazing coincidence that Russia would invade Ukraine
>> just after certification negotiations were going too slow. Just
>> connect the (pipeline) dots and follow the money:
>> <https://mondediplo.com/IMG/jpg/lmd_0521_13_gazoducs_rgb.jpg>
>> Maps with much more detail:
>> <http://www.entsog.eu/maps#transmission-capacity-map-2021>
>>
>> "When somebody says it’s not about the money, it’s about the money."
>> H. L. Mencken

>Isn't there supposed to be a huge natural gas reservoir under Eastern
>Ukraine? Another amazing coincidence!

I couldn't find anything that suggests such reserves. Most recent
natural gas discoveries require fracking to extract. If someone found
a "gas reservoir" it was likely a deplete oil field, depleted aquifer,
or salt dome, where someone put the gas there for storage:
<https://www.energyinfrastructure.org/energy-101/natural-gas-storage>

More interesting is that Ukraine was formerly a customer of Russian
natural gas but then switched its power plants to coal gasification
from China. This may explain part of why China refuses to take sides:
<https://www.emersonautomationexperts.com/2012/industry/chinese-gasification-expertise-on-its-way-to-the-ukraine/>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Ukraine>
"Ukraine stopped buying gas from Russia in November 2015 as a result
to minimize the gas dependence after the outbreak of the Ukraine
crisis. In earlier disputes Russia has stopped gas delivery in 2006
and 2008. In 2009 80% of the European Union gas from Russia was
delivered via Ukraine as transit country."

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On 4/20/2022 0:22, David Brown wrote:
> On 19/04/2022 20:29, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>> On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:
>
>>> Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
>>> de-industrialize.
>>
>> It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
>> phased out.
>>
>>> There's still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
>>> to find more stuff.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
>> the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
>> smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
>> Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
>> has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
>> weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
>> masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
>> engine I hope to build in my backyard won't come for free :D.
>>
>>
>>
>
> The big problem with nuclear power is that it takes a long time to build
> the plants. (Yes, the build cost is a problem too - but it's a problem
> that can be solved by throwing money at it, unlike the time problem.)
>
> Of course we need to start building the nuclear power plants /now/,
> while we also work on short term solutions.

It takes a long time of course but much of it is due to overregulations,
like Jeroen suggested. Then the word "nuclear" still spells suicide
for many if not all politicians - which is the biggest problem, after
decades of training the public to perceive the word like this now
is pay time.
But we have no other sane option, we have to start building now indeed
and cover by short term solutions.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/02/opinion/battle-is-being-waged-future-world/

"Kennan, Kissinger warned of the ills of NATO�s expanding eastward"

"The legendary foreign policy guru George F. Kennan argued in 1948 against
any Western attempt to detach Ukraine from Russia and later called the
North Atlantic Treaty Organization�s eastward expansion a major strategic
blunder. Kennan was not a lone voice on this point. More recently, during
the first Russia-Ukraine war in 2014, former US secretary of state Henry
Kissinger warned, �The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can
never be just a foreign country.� Kissinger was blunt: �Ukraine should not
join NATO. . . . Internationally, they should pursue a posture comparable
to that of Finland,� carefully avoiding institutional hostility toward
Russia."

But don't take VIP diplomats' words for it,
this blowhard neocon warmonger knows better...

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>> Actually it's to do with AGGRESSIVE NATO expansion to Russia's border
>> countries, since the end of the Cold War when Russia gave up those countries.
>
> Lie #1: it's not about NATO, which is a defense agreement that, if anything,
> is getting stronger because of this conflict. The 'solution' wasn't aimed at NATO.
> .
> Lie #2: Russia never 'gave up' any countries, they just left the USSR agreeably.
> It's definitely about countries other than Russia, which is
> a situation limiting Putin's power to... one country. Where he arguably has supporters.
>
> Lie #3: the Cold War is not the issue, but rather a hot war, and looking backward
> through history for Cold War and Nazis is just a propoganda tactic, akin to blaming
> the ills of the world on devils.
>>
>> That war could have easily been prevented if not for the overinflated egos
>> in Ukraine. Pride comes before the fall.
>
> Dimwit alert! Putin claimed up to the day of invasion that he was NOT going
> to war. If you believe the 'special military operation' rhetoric is meaningful,
> he still claims that. No 'prevented' opportunity was clear, but the assault force
> was REAL clear. Ukraine has ground forces and egos, but Putin's problem there
> isn't the egos.
>
>

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
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> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
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> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
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And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
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NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
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(UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
to USENET (**) has been 57.4% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
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494 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

1SeW8Bu4QB23

Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

See also...
John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

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> The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
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>
>> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...
>
> And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
> <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
>> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
>> CLUELESS...
>
> And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
> formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
> Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:09:18 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
> <t3nbue$g6f$2@dont-email.me>).
>
> NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.
>
> Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
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> (UTC):
>
>> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
>> except insults to this group.
>
> Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
> to USENET (**) has been 57.4% of its posts contributing "nothing except
> insults" to USENET.
>
> ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
> least 1079 articles to USENET. Of which 125 have been pure insults and
> 494 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.
>
> This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
> readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
> follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.
>
> 1SeW8Bu4QB23
>
>
>

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:10:52 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t3nc1c$g6f$3@dont-email.me>).

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id
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(UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
USENET (**) has been 57.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
least 1083 articles to USENET. Of which 125 have been pure insults and
496 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

wbgp/Pm++lLr

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-says-no-red-line-indias-oil-imports-russia-2022-03-31/

"India and China count Russia as a friendly nation and neither has
condemned Russia's attack on Ukraine. While India has abstained from
voting on U.N. resolutions on the war, China has in some cases sided with
Moscow."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-emirati-leaders-decline-calls-with-biden-during-ukraine-crisis-11646779430

"Saudi, Emirati Leaders Decline Calls With Biden During Ukraine Crisis"

It's the hard West, neocons and liberals, against the rest of the world,
fighting for their beloved Ukraine. Before Russia invaded, most Americans
had no idea what Ukraine was, except being "10% for the big guy" and maybe
an old Beatles' song.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:55:10 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

>It's almost funny. I *know* we all get a daily dose of ~10uSv, just
>from the ordinary environment, but the extra few hundred nSv I
>occasionally get from working on slightly radioactive stuff seems
>to justify lots of extra rules, lots of paperwork, regular
>inspections, special labs and protective gear. Granted, those are
>sometimes necessary, but sheesh, a bit of common sense would be
>welcome. A few uSv extra on occasion aren't going to make a
>difference!

This might help:

Radiation Dose Chart
<https://xkcd.com/radiation/

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Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 20/04/2022 00:06, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> On 4/20/2022 0:22, David Brown wrote:
>> On 19/04/2022 20:29, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>> On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>>> Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
>>>> de-industrialize.
>>>
>>> It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
>>> phased out.
>>>
>>>> There's still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
>>>> to find more stuff.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
>>> the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
>>> smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
>>> Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
>>> has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
>>> weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
>>> masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
>>> engine I hope to build in my backyard won't come for free :D.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The big problem with nuclear power is that it takes a long time to build
>> the plants.  (Yes, the build cost is a problem too - but it's a problem
>> that can be solved by throwing money at it, unlike the time problem.)
>>
>> Of course we need to start building the nuclear power plants /now/,
>> while we also work on short term solutions.
>
> It takes a long time of course but much of it is due to overregulations,
> like Jeroen suggested. Then the word "nuclear" still spells suicide
> for many if not all politicians - which is the biggest problem, after
> decades of training the public to perceive the word like this now
> is pay time.

Certainly fear of radiation is regularly overdone, and that leads to
over-regulation and cowardice from the people making decisions. You do
have to be careful with nuclear power, but you don't have to be silly
about it. At the time of Fukushima, there was talk of evacuating Tokyo
- the levels they were concerned about were lower than the background
radiation where I live.

> But we have no other sane option, we have to start building now indeed
> and cover by short term solutions.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:02:50 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
<always.look@message.header> wrote:

>Actually it's to do with AGGRESSIVE NATO expansion to Russia's border
>countries, since the end of the Cold War when Russia gave up those countries.

That's the core issue that never seems to get a mention on CNN or any
other Western news channel for that matter.
One might have thought an operation to purge neo-Nazis from the
extreme East of Ukraine would have enjoyed popular support from the
Left-of-Center crowd here, but for some inexplicable reason, all they
do is complain about it!

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:03:47 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> On 2022-04-19 22:25, Ricky wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:55:18 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> >> On 2022-04-19 21:16, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> >>> tirsdag den 19. april 2022 kl. 21.04.07 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> >> [...]
> >>>> Don't turn to the French for nuclear. They can't seem to build a
> >>>> nuke for less than $20 billion these days and it will be a decade
> >>>> late in commissioning. Their nuclear projects are mostly
> >>>> disasters.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> yeh, only 56 reactors and producing +70% of the country's electricity
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >> The reason it's so hard to make new ones these days is the crippling
> >> regulatory environment.
> >
> > This is the BS that so many advocate, without any basis.
> >
> >
> >> My work also involves radioactive stuff.
> >> We're so bogged down it's hard to get anything done at all.
> >>
> >> Of course, it's all for our own and the public's safety. You can't
> >> criticize that or you'll be deemed irresponsible.
> >>
> >> It's almost funny. I *know* we all get a daily dose of ~10uSv, just
> >> from the ordinary environment, but the extra few hundred nSv I
> >> occasionally get from working on slightly radioactive stuff seems
> >> to justify lots of extra rules, lots of paperwork, regular
> >> inspections, special labs and protective gear. Granted, those are
> >> sometimes necessary, but sheesh, a bit of common sense would be
> >> welcome. A few uSv extra on occasion aren't going to make a
> >> difference!
> >
> > Sure, but the regulations are to prevent a much larger dose. They may be a bit overboard, but you talk like you literally can't get your work done. Then you say it is "sometimes" necessary! "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
> >
> Well, what do you know? I'm not going to argue with you.

That's good. You are already arguing with yourself.

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On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:22:17 PM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 19/04/2022 20:29, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> > On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:
>
> >> Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
> >> de-industrialize.
> >
> > It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
> > phased out.
> >
> >> There's still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
> >> to find more stuff.
> >>
> >
> > Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
> > the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
> > smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
> > Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
> > has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
> > weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
> > masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
> > engine I hope to build in my backyard won't come for free :D.
> >
> >
> >
> The big problem with nuclear power is that it takes a long time to build
> the plants. (Yes, the build cost is a problem too - but it's a problem
> that can be solved by throwing money at it, unlike the time problem.)
>
> Of course we need to start building the nuclear power plants /now/,
> while we also work on short term solutions.

Wow! If we have short term solutions, we don't need long term solutions. The short term solutions don't stop being solutions at any time.

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On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 6:06:56 PM UTC-4, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
> On 4/20/2022 0:22, David Brown wrote:
> > On 19/04/2022 20:29, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> >> On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:
> >
> >>> Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
> >>> de-industrialize.
> >>
> >> It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
> >> phased out.
> >>
> >>> There's still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
> >>> to find more stuff.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
> >> the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
> >> smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
> >> Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
> >> has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
> >> weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
> >> masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
> >> engine I hope to build in my backyard won't come for free :D.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The big problem with nuclear power is that it takes a long time to build
> > the plants. (Yes, the build cost is a problem too - but it's a problem
> > that can be solved by throwing money at it, unlike the time problem.)
> >
> > Of course we need to start building the nuclear power plants /now/,
> > while we also work on short term solutions.
> It takes a long time of course but much of it is due to overregulations,
> like Jeroen suggested. Then the word "nuclear" still spells suicide
> for many if not all politicians - which is the biggest problem, after
> decades of training the public to perceive the word like this now
> is pay time.
> But we have no other sane option, we have to start building now indeed
> and cover by short term solutions.

So, which regulations need to be eliminated?

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Cursitor Doom wrote:

> John Doe wrote:
>
>> Actually it's to do with AGGRESSIVE NATO expansion to Russia's border
>> countries, since the end of the Cold War when Russia gave up those
>> countries.
>
> That's the core issue that never seems to get a mention on CNN or any
> other Western news channel for that matter. One might have thought an
> operation to purge neo-Nazis from the extreme East of Ukraine would have
> enjoyed popular support from the Left-of-Center crowd here, but for some
> inexplicable reason, all they do is complain about it!

Here and on YouTube, too. Google recently started radically censoring YouTube
comment section replies (via zealous shadow banning). Most of the original
posts are allowed through.

Fox News and Newsmax viewers in the comment sections are ripping the skin off
of channel uploads by neocon warmongers. Different story on globalist CNN and
(especially) MSNBC. Weird.

On 4/19/22 14:50, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:20:42 -0700, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/22 10:47, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
>>>> It will go on forever.
>>>
>>> Nope. Methinks it's an economic war. Russia just finished building
>>> an $11 billion offshore natural gas pipeline to Germany primarily to
>>> bypass transit charges for the existing pipelines crossing Ukraine.
>>>
>>> "The Engineering Behind Russia's Deadlocked Pipeline: Nord Stream 2"
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzibtVSamrY>
>>>
>>> As the process of certifying the pipeline blundered forward, the
>>> stumbling block seemed to be getting approval by various countries
>>> which stood to lose transit revenue for existing pipelines:
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Regulatory_clearance>
>>>
>>> "Russia-Ukraine gas disputes"
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes>
>>>
>>> It seems to be an amazing coincidence that Russia would invade Ukraine
>>> just after certification negotiations were going too slow. Just
>>> connect the (pipeline) dots and follow the money:
>>> <https://mondediplo.com/IMG/jpg/lmd_0521_13_gazoducs_rgb.jpg>
>>> Maps with much more detail:
>>> <http://www.entsog.eu/maps#transmission-capacity-map-2021>
>>>
>>> "When somebody says it’s not about the money, it’s about the money."
>>> H. L. Mencken
>
>> Isn't there supposed to be a huge natural gas reservoir under Eastern
>> Ukraine? Another amazing coincidence!
>
> I couldn't find anything that suggests such reserves. Most recent
> natural gas discoveries require fracking to extract. If someone found
> a "gas reservoir" it was likely a deplete oil field, depleted aquifer,
> or salt dome, where someone put the gas there for storage:
> <https://www.energyinfrastructure.org/energy-101/natural-gas-storage>
>
> More interesting is that Ukraine was formerly a customer of Russian
> natural gas but then switched its power plants to coal gasification
> from China. This may explain part of why China refuses to take sides:
> <https://www.emersonautomationexperts.com/2012/industry/chinese-gasification-expertise-on-its-way-to-the-ukraine/>
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Ukraine>
> "Ukraine stopped buying gas from Russia in November 2015 as a result
> to minimize the gas dependence after the outbreak of the Ukraine
> crisis. In earlier disputes Russia has stopped gas delivery in 2006
> and 2008. In 2009 80% of the European Union gas from Russia was
> delivered via Ukraine as transit country."
>
Jeff, thanks for those links. It's been some time since I saw the
mention of natural gas in Eastern Ukrain, but it was probably this:
Yuzivska gas field, which is indeed shale geology. Still looks like a
lot of resources at stake...

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
> Our back yard is a jungle already. Snakes, skunks, raccoons, possum,
> coyotes, squirrels, scrub jays, hummers, junkoes (sp?), feral cats,
> wild parrots, giant ravens.
>
> A wild turkey has been spotted down in the village.

Is it legal to own an air rifle?

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Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>
> Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
> the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
> smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
> Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
> has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
> weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
> masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
> engine I hope to build in my backyard won't come for free :D.

Nuclear waste can be stored in heavy containers that go down a hole to
an underground facility. The only way to remove it is with a crane. So
don't keep a crane nearby. One can be brought in when more material is
put into storage. During those times security can be increased.

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On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:09:26 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/02/opinion/battle-is-being-waged-future-world/
>
> "Kennan, Kissinger warned of the ills of NATO’s expanding eastward" ...
> But don't take VIP diplomats' words for it,
> this blowhard neocon warmonger knows better...

> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:02:57 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> >> Actually it's to do with AGGRESSIVE NATO expansion to Russia's border
> >> countries, since the end of the Cold War when Russia gave up those countries.
> >
> > Lie #1: it's not about NATO, which is a defense agreement that, if anything,
> > is getting stronger because of this conflict. The 'solution' wasn't aimed at NATO.

Yeah, and what we all know, is that Ukraine didn't join NATO, complied with the Kissinger
suggested path, and that led to the current war. Kissinger's dead, he might
have another opinion this week...

Blowhard? Neocon? Warmonger? Really, do any of those tags
apply? John Doe is such a source of nonsense... or maybe just a conduit,
no sign of original thought seen.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 6:45:01 PM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 00:06, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> > On 4/20/2022 0:22, David Brown wrote:
> >> On 19/04/2022 20:29, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> >>> On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
> >>>> de-industrialize.
> >>>
> >>> It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
> >>> phased out.
> >>>
> >>>> There's still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
> >>>> to find more stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
> >>> the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
> >>> smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
> >>> Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
> >>> has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
> >>> weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
> >>> masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
> >>> engine I hope to build in my backyard won't come for free :D.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> The big problem with nuclear power is that it takes a long time to build
> >> the plants. (Yes, the build cost is a problem too - but it's a problem
> >> that can be solved by throwing money at it, unlike the time problem.)
> >>
> >> Of course we need to start building the nuclear power plants /now/,
> >> while we also work on short term solutions.
> >
> > It takes a long time of course but much of it is due to overregulations,
> > like Jeroen suggested. Then the word "nuclear" still spells suicide
> > for many if not all politicians - which is the biggest problem, after
> > decades of training the public to perceive the word like this now
> > is pay time.
> Certainly fear of radiation is regularly overdone, and that leads to
> over-regulation and cowardice from the people making decisions. You do
> have to be careful with nuclear power, but you don't have to be silly
> about it. At the time of Fukushima, there was talk of evacuating Tokyo
> - the levels they were concerned about were lower than the background
> radiation where I live.

Yes, whenever someone wants to show extreme reactions, all they need to do is mention "talk of" something. Yeah, talk is cheap. It has no real bearing on anything useful. Or so the "talk" goes.

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On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 8:02:26 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
> > the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
> > smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
> > Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
> > has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
> > weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
> > masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
> > engine I hope to build in my backyard won't come for free :D.
> Nuclear waste can be stored in heavy containers that go down a hole to
> an underground facility. The only way to remove it is with a crane. So
> don't keep a crane nearby. One can be brought in when more material is
> put into storage. During those times security can be increased.

What's the price tag for storing that for 1,000 years, 5,000 years, 10,000 years? You do realize this cost should be paid by those using the electricity, right? Otherwise why not just borrow money for everything we do and pay it back on a 1,000 year loan?

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On 4/19/2022 6:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:02:50 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
> <always.look@message.header> wrote:
>
>> Actually it's to do with AGGRESSIVE NATO expansion to Russia's border
>> countries, since the end of the Cold War when Russia gave up those countries.
>
> That's the core issue that never seems to get a mention on CNN or any
> other Western news channel for that matter.
> One might have thought an operation to purge neo-Nazis from the
> extreme East of Ukraine would have enjoyed popular support from the
> Left-of-Center crowd here, but for some inexplicable reason, all they
> do is complain about it!

"Purge" neo-Nazis? Every Eastern European country (and every European
country, and the United States, and...) has them, what would be the
point, they just leave and come back later.

Might as well talk about purging dingle berries from every stray cat's
ass in Cambridge MA it's a nonsensical pretext.

An issue there tends to be a number of broke-brain Democrats in the US
about is funding weapons and supply weapons transfer to Ukraine, I don't
support the US shipping any weapons to ANYONE! ever! and I don't
associate with types who think it's a good idea. It's almost never been
a good idea for pushing 80 years.

On 4/19/2022 10:41 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 4/19/2022 6:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:02:50 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
>> <always.look@message.header> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it's to do with AGGRESSIVE NATO expansion to Russia's border
>>> countries, since the end of the Cold War when Russia gave up those
>>> countries.
>>
>> That's the core issue that never seems to get a mention on CNN or any
>> other Western news channel for that matter.
>> One might have thought an operation to purge neo-Nazis from the
>> extreme East of Ukraine would have enjoyed popular support from the
>> Left-of-Center crowd here, but for some inexplicable reason, all they
>> do is complain about it!
>
> "Purge" neo-Nazis? Every Eastern European country (and every European
> country, and the United States, and...) has them, what would be the
> point, they just leave and come back later.
>
> Might as well talk about purging dingle berries from every stray cat's
> ass in Cambridge MA it's a nonsensical pretext.
>
> An issue there tends to be a number of broke-brain Democrats in the US
> about is funding weapons and supply weapons transfer to Ukraine, I don't
> support the US shipping any weapons to ANYONE! ever! and I don't
> associate with types who think it's a good idea. It's almost never been
> a good idea for pushing 80 years.
>

Oh and that type of shithead behavior, caving to hawkish Democrats, will
likely sink the Biden administration's chances of a second term for
good, at best. I'd say that was a good thing if the chances it will be
replaced with something way worse didn't approach 100%.