The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 02:02:03 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t44veq$gtg$7@dont-email.me>.

Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
USENET (**) has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
least 1121 articles to USENET. Of which 131 have been pure insults and
514 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

ipprb6PXUTZR

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> Ed Lee wrote:
> >>> Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >>>> John Doe wrote:
>
> >>>>> Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for
> >>>>> its gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas
> >>>>> demand, and now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media.
> >>>>> World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has
> >>>>> become, spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
>
> >>>> THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
> >>>> gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.
> >>>
> >>> Political promises from politicians here and there. No treaty was
> >>> signed whatever to assure Russia.
>
> >> Are you suggesting our politicians can't be trusted to keep their word?
> >
> > Politicians represent themselves with promises, only signed and verified
> > treaties are bounded to the countries.
> >
> >> <chortle!>
> >> Joking aside, the fact is we broke those undertakiings and that is why
> >> we are where we are now: looking at yet another war - and one which
> >> could go nuclear at that.
> >
> > NATO or not. Russia goal is to control the entire Black Sea north coast
> > all the way to Moldova. Ukraine needs to send them more Neptunes.
> > Without their Black Sea Fleet, perhaps Russians would go home.
> Are you just ACTING deaf and stupid? Russia has thousands of nukes.

That's the Putin trap. You can be international outlaw with nukes. Now, all strong arm countries will want nukes.

On 4/24/2022 10:02 PM, John Doe wrote:
> https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74
>
> "Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham
> Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and influential
> people within the Democratic Party."
>
> Glenn Greenwald is a rabid liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law
> (1994) and The George Washington University (1990).
>
> https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald
>
> Salon is a far left liberal publication.

A "far left" liberal? Good grief man, what a contradiction in terms. Any
"far left" publication would have the Red Star or hammer & sickle at the
top of the front page, let's at least get our definitions straight.

> This issue is another shining example of "bitrex" contradicting its claim
> of being a "libertarian"...

I don't believe the state should e.g. have the power to execute its
citizens, force women to give birth, or declare wars by fiat. That at
least makes me more libertarian than every person who thinks the state
_should_ have one or more of those powers, that is to say like, 95% of
Americans.

Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

See also...
John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

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>
> The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
> <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:
>
>> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...
>
> And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
> <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
>> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
>> CLUELESS...
>
> And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
> incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 02:02:03 -0000
> (UTC) in message-id <t44veq$gtg$7@dont-email.me>.
>
> Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id
> <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
> (UTC):
>
>> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
>> except insults to this group.
>
> Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
> USENET (**) has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
> insults" to USENET.
>
> ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
> least 1121 articles to USENET. Of which 131 have been pure insults and
> 514 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.
>
> ipprb6PXUTZR
>
>
>

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 02:22:34 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t450la$gtg$8@dont-email.me>.

Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
USENET (**) has been 57.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
least 1123 articles to USENET. Of which 131 have been pure insults and
516 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

jscULw54h4kv

On 4/24/2022 10:20 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 4/24/2022 10:02 PM, John Doe wrote:
>> https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74
>>
>> "Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham
>> Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and
>> influential
>> people within the Democratic Party."
>>
>> Glenn Greenwald is a rabid liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law
>> (1994) and The George Washington University (1990).
>>
>> https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald
>>
>> Salon is a far left liberal publication.
>
> A "far left" liberal? Good grief man, what a contradiction in terms. Any
> "far left" publication would have the Red Star or hammer & sickle at the
> top of the front page, let's at least get our definitions straight.

Or any far left publication with a significant readership outside the
US, at least.

bitrex wrote:

> I don't believe the state should force women to give birth

Fascinating concept...

It also believes boys should be allowed to beat up on girls in sports, and
that men should use women's locker rooms and restrooms.

The cannibal left utterly suck at logic.

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> Ed Lee wrote:
>> >>> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >>>> John Doe wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for
>> >>>>> its gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas
>> >>>>> demand, and now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media.
>> >>>>> World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has
>> >>>>> become, spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
>>
>> >>>> THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances
>> >>>> we gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.
>> >>>
>> >>> Political promises from politicians here and there. No treaty was
>> >>> signed whatever to assure Russia.
>>
>> >> Are you suggesting our politicians can't be trusted to keep their
>> >> word?
>> >
>> > Politicians represent themselves with promises, only signed and
>> > verified treaties are bounded to the countries.
>> >
>> >> <chortle!> Joking aside, the fact is we broke those undertakiings
>> >> and that is why we are where we are now: looking at yet another war
>> >> - and one which could go nuclear at that.
>> >
>> > NATO or not. Russia goal is to control the entire Black Sea north
>> > coast all the way to Moldova. Ukraine needs to send them more
>> > Neptunes. Without their Black Sea Fleet, perhaps Russians would go
>> > home.

>> Are you just ACTING deaf and stupid? Russia has thousands of nukes.
>
> That's the Putin trap.

No, it's called "logic".

Conventional forces are no longer useful except for critically important
missions. The only purpose for NATO is to encroach close enough to Moscow
to give it first strike capability. It wouldn't even really matter if
Ukraine were part of NATO. The question will always be whether defending a
particular country, NATO member or not, is worth starting World War III.

> You can be international outlaw with nukes. Now, all strong arm
> countries will want nukes.

The poster lives under a rock.

On 4/24/2022 10:26 PM, John Doe wrote:
> bitrex wrote:
>
>> I don't believe the state should force women to give birth
>
> Fascinating concept...
>
> It also believes boys should be allowed to beat up on girls in sports, and
> that men should use women's locker rooms and restrooms.
>
> The cannibal left utterly suck at logic.

Yep, fascist "logic" is pretty alien to me.

John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t45133$gtg$10
@dont-email.me:

> The only purpose for NATO is to encroach close enough to Moscow
> to give it first strike capability.

Bullshit. Pure bullshit, just like the nym you claim.

We have subs and hypersonic cruise missiles that are sub surface tube
launched.

NATO is about defending against an enemy attack.

Ooops... looks like you have zero grasp on modern military realities
as well as all the other shit you have no clue about.

The state "forcing women to give birth".

You mean like the "Department of Procreation"?

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:XPn9K.439959$iK66.33979@fx46.iad:

> On 4/24/2022 10:26 PM, John Dope wrote:
>> bitrex wrote:
>>
>>> I don't believe the state should force women to give birth
>>
>> Fascinating concept...
>>
>> It also believes boys should be allowed to beat up on girls in
>> sports, and that men should use women's locker rooms and
>> restrooms.
>>
>> The cannibal left utterly suck at logic.
>
> Yep, fascist "logic" is pretty alien to me.
>

China kills many girl babies and women every year.

John Dope is as clueless as a person can get. Trump and Putin still
beat him, but not by much.

*It wouldn't even really matter [for defense] if Ukraine were part of NATO

On 4/24/2022 5:44 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 4/23/2022 6:00 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
>> looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?
>>
>> For a sampling (many hits):
>>
>> <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>
>>
>> <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>
>>
>> <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>
>>
>>
>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
>> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>
>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!
>
> Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the Chicago-school
> economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the country after the fall
> of the Soviet Union.

Dunno.

*Many* years ago, a friend's sister was "back in the states" for a visit.
She'd been living in Russia for ~10 years. So, I naturally quizzed her on what
it was like -- figuring she had seen US and USSR societies so could make a
comparison. The take-away from her comments was "Everything seems cheap or
run-down... even brand new things (buildings, products, etc.)" She jokingly
dismissed it as "poor work ethic".

Fast forward to ~2010 and a (new) friend who'd emigrated from Moscow was met
with a similar set of questions. She replied (heavily accented) that things
were pretty good "in the big cities" (keeping in mind that she was from
Moscow). "Other places... not so good." Understatement? I asked her what
day to day life was like, shopping, etc. and her eyes lit up -- "*So* much more
to choose from, here (US)!" And, as to why she emigrated, "More opportunity.
If I stayed in Moscow I would have been a _________" (as if that wasn't
something she aspired to be!)

[So, now *two* datapoints that give an underwwhelming assessment of "life in
Russia"]

Recently, I started hearing folks making comments about the impending *fall*
of Russia ("failed state"). And, putting hard numbers on the time frame
expected. I assumed this was "happy talk". Especially in light of the
"gains" the Ukrainians have been making against what "should" have been a
"vastly superior force".

Lots of retired/active military here so discussions often get pretty
detailed re: capabilities, processes, discipline, etc. in the armed forces.
And, speculation as to Russian and Ukrainian counterparts. The Moskva's
sinking was a big red light for these folks. And, Putin's "explanation"
of the event even more of a red light.

If NOT sunk by Ukranian action, it speaks volumes as to the competency
(lack thereof) of the Russian military. Poor progress by their ground
forces just reinforces this as a *systemic* problem (i.e., not just
a Navy issue). You'd have folks believe that some inept "comrade"
made such a *disasterous* "mistake" that it caused the loss of such a
"grand vessel"? Something that should have been *precious*?!

If sunk by Ukranian action, then some inept comrade failed to deploy
countermeasures to protect against this type of attack (including having
the vessel positioned in such a location that it was accessible from
ground-based munitions).

I.e., there's no way to make the incident "smell palatable".

You can make up whatever explanation suits your fancy to feed (as pablum)
to The Masses. But, military professionals around the world are looking
at intelligence reports, satellite imagery, etc. AND detailed psychological
profiles of the leaders making those pronouncements and likely coming
a lot closer to a *good* assessment of your capabilities.

Sabre rattling just reinforces the appearance of a potemkin power. Now,
China's lap dog (it's clear where the power lies in THAT relationship...
even to an ex KGB officer!)

Anyway... in this discussion, someone made the same "everything is rundown"
comment -- which sparked my interest in the predictions of Russia's demise.
Google turned up lots of hits from a wide variety of reporting sources.
So, it's not a single prophet making the rounds but, rather, more of a
consensus opinion.

As The Rest of the World (TmReg) starts reassessing their military postures
and budgets, will Russia be able to *meet* their advances? When will the
"Tread carefully; we have nukes" threat lose its teeth? (imagine a tactical
nuke strike on The Kremlin and its psychological effect on the populace)

> That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style
> comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they knew it,
> it was simply a pillaging exercise.

If you despise your populace, you don't really care as to how well their
lives may be. It will be interesting to see how people, there -- esp young
people -- take to their lifestyles degrading so far and so fast. Give it
a few months for back inventory to be exhausted and things to start breaking
with no spare parts available. Or, food shortages (wasn't Ukraine the
"breadbasket" of the SSRs?). Or, lack of mobility.

"That grey woolen coat looks GOOD on you, comrade! Here's a scarf to
bundle up your hair while you wait in line for your 3-day-old loaf of bread..."

"hypersonic cruise missiles"

We do not have hypersonic missiles, but Russia sure does...

General: "Mr. President, Russia used hypersonic missiles!"
The President: "Unleash the non-binaries."
General: "Nooo! NOT THE NON-BINARIES!!!"

The group idiot, a.k.a. Always Wrong, with its difficult to decipher
nym...

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> John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t45133$gtg$10
> @dont-email.me:
>
>> The only purpose for NATO is to encroach close enough to Moscow
>> to give it first strike capability.
>
> Bullshit. Pure bullshit, just like the nym you claim.
>
> We have subs and hypersonic cruise missiles that are sub surface tube
> launched.
>
> NATO is about defending against an enemy attack.
>
> Ooops... looks like you have zero grasp on modern military realities
> as well as all the other shit you have no clue about.
>
>

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:26:50 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t454dq$20v$1@dont-email.me>.

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
to USENET (**) has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
least 1130 articles to USENET. Of which 132 have been pure insults and
518 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

3w5amI7cFY2p

Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

See also...
John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

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> Subject: Re: OT: Russian collapse
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>
> The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
> <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:
>
>> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...
>
> And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
> <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
>> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
>> CLUELESS...
>
> And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
> incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:26:50 -0000
> (UTC) in message-id <t454dq$20v$1@dont-email.me>.
>
> Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
> <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
> (UTC):
>
>> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
>> except insults to this group.
>
> Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
> to USENET (**) has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
> insults" to USENET.
>
> ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
> least 1130 articles to USENET. Of which 132 have been pure insults and
> 518 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.
>
> 3w5amI7cFY2p
>
>
>

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:36:36 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t45504$50b$1@dont-email.me>.

Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
USENET (**) has been 57.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
least 1132 articles to USENET. Of which 132 have been pure insults and
520 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 7:30:02 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

> Conventional forces are no longer useful except for critically important
> missions.

What does the claim 'no longer useful' mean, if you make an exception
for 'critically important'...?

It sure sounds like nonsense to me.

> The only purpose for NATO is to encroach close enough to Moscow

Huh? What does proximity matter, the entire world is one day's
travel from any spot on the planet.

> to give it first strike capability.

There's multiple hidden launch sites, including
mobile ones under the ocean surface, to prevent ANY 'first strike'
from being successful. Second claim is nonsense just like the first.

On 4/24/2022 11:24 PM, Don Y wrote:
> On 4/24/2022 5:44 PM, bitrex wrote:
>> On 4/23/2022 6:00 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>> Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
>>> looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?
>>>
>>> For a sampling (many hits):
>>>
>>> <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>
>>>
>>> <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian
>>> Empire
>>> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion,
>>> Russia’s
>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire.
>>> Now, with
>>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s
>>> economic
>>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange
>>> rates,
>>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross
>>> domestic
>>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>>
>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi!  Even Alabama!
>>
>> Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
>> Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting
>> the country after the fall of the Soviet Union.
>
> Dunno.
>
> *Many* years ago, a friend's sister was "back in the states" for a visit.
> She'd been living in Russia for ~10 years.  So, I naturally quizzed her
> on what
> it was like -- figuring she had seen US and USSR societies so could make a
> comparison.  The take-away from her comments was "Everything seems cheap
> or run-down... even brand new things (buildings, products, etc.)"  She
> jokingly
> dismissed it as "poor work ethic".
>
> Fast forward to ~2010 and a (new) friend who'd emigrated from Moscow was
> met
> with a similar set of questions.  She replied (heavily accented) that
> things
> were pretty good "in the big cities" (keeping in mind that she was from
> Moscow).  "Other places... not so good."  Understatement?  I asked her what
> day to day life was like, shopping, etc. and her eyes lit up -- "*So*
> much more
> to choose from, here (US)!"  And, as to why she emigrated, "More
> opportunity.
> If I stayed in Moscow I would have been a _________" (as if that wasn't
> something she aspired to be!)
>
> [So, now *two* datapoints that give an underwwhelming assessment of
> "life in
> Russia"]

If Putin mistook some expressions of wistfulness on the part of some in
former Soviet republics like Ukraine for the Soviet Union itself, or for
a longing for Russia itself, I think he was badly mistaken, they tended
to love the jobs that the Soviet Union provided, not Russia or the rest
of the Soviet Union's ideas.

It was largely an oligarchic racket same as Russia is now but for a
period of time similar to the period of nostalgia the boomers in the US
sometimes have, 1950-1980, the racket was decently productive and able
to provide some good jobs in the republics also, and put workers in
steel plants making ships and planes, and farmers in fields cranking out
grain and produce.

The market reforms that followed were better about putting McDonalds on
street corners and more Western products in stores, but less effective
on the employment front in the former republics particularly.

On 4/24/2022 8:54 PM, bitrex wrote:

>> [So, now *two* datapoints that give an underwwhelming assessment of "life in
>> Russia"]
>
> If Putin mistook some expressions of wistfulness on the part of some in former
> Soviet republics like Ukraine for the Soviet Union itself, or for a longing for
> Russia itself, I think he was badly mistaken, they tended to love the jobs that
> the Soviet Union provided, not Russia or the rest of the Soviet Union's ideas.

I think *anyone* who allows themselves to be molly-coddled into an echo chamber
where they hear what they want to hear (gladly provided by sycophants) is in
danger of losing all capacity for independent reason -- you have to EXERCISE
that ability in order to retain it.

[The same is true of media consumers. If you're swallowing the pablum offered
without exercising any critical thought, you will quickly lose the ability to
distinguish reality from fantasy. And, those around you will see it (in you)
while you remain oblivious. Remember, YOU are the "product" that they are
marketing to their advertisers!]

[[I am naturally cynical. So, when I hear something that seems too convenient,
I immediately want to know, "What's the catch? What AREN'T you telling me??"
Sometimes, this cynicism backfires. Some time ago, I noticed a sale for
"30% off 6 bottles or more" at a local grocery store (I am rarely in the liquor
department). "What's the catch?" Liquor has a LONG shelf life. I use liquers
by the *boatload* in my baking so 6 bottles is a SMALL purchase... "No catch.
Most people aren't keen on dropping a few hundred dollars on spirits, that's
all." More recently, they have become "25% off 6 bottles" so the savings
aren't as great. But, I manage to stock up almost as often as they have the
sales!]]

> It was largely an oligarchic racket same as Russia is now but for a period of
> time similar to the period of nostalgia the boomers in the US sometimes have,
> 1950-1980, the racket was decently productive and able to provide some good
> jobs in the republics also, and put workers in steel plants making ships and
> planes, and farmers in fields cranking out grain and produce.

The Good Ole Days in the US were largely a result of it being the sole standing
major economy coming out of WWII. You could make *crap* and there'd be a
market for it! (cuz there were no other realistic suppliers, at scale, in a
world that was trying to rebuild).

This lead many "old timers" to think they were intrinsically valuable. And,
as a result, that they could rest on their laurels (instead of trying to
improve themselves). So, when the rest of the world moved forward, they
were able to benefit from those OTHER improvements -- before realizing that
THEY were no longer relevant.

[You've been listening to your own opinion of yourself for so long that you
no longer are able to evaluate your own REAL "worth". You no more want
to hear that your skills are obsolete than Putin wants to hear that the
USSR is *gone* (and Russia likely following)]

> The market reforms that followed were better about putting McDonalds on street
> corners and more Western products in stores, but less effective on the
> employment front in the former republics particularly.

But those reforms made it possible for OPEN societies to provide those
opportunities to their residents. YOU could own a McDonald's franchise!
Societies that want to keep you under their thumb aren't keen on letting
you succeed on your own merits (you may start "getting ideas"!)

It's been an "interesting" time to live: landing on the moon, watching The
Wall come down, the breakup of the USSR, technological advances, etc.

But, I suspect that can be said of many periods in history. ("Hey,
did you hear about that guy, Attila? ...")

No thanks, almost nothing the media says is believable, I believe my own 2
eyes.

Only neocons and liberals are gung ho for starting World War III...

https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel/videos

https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxBusinessNetwork/videos

Search the page for videos about Ukraine and read the comments. Regular
Fox News viewers (proving they are not sheep) are BASHING the heck out of
Fox in the comment sections. It's a bloodbath. Similar happens to neocon
Newsmax uploads about Ukraine...

https://www.youtube.com/c/NewsmaxtvLive/videos

Not so with neocons and liberal viewers, they eat it up...

https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74

"Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham
Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and
influential people within the Democratic Party."

Glenn Greenwald is a rabid liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law
(1994) and The George Washington University (1990).

https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald

Salon is a far left liberal publication.

Babbling nonsense from an Australian troll.

Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an
attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

"the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

"the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
(Bozo lying)

"the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
(Bozo being weird)

Salon describes itself as "progressive" and "left-leaning".

But the textbook cannibal leftist Bozo attacks the publication because one
of its authors disagrees with Bozo's opinion...

Only neocons and liberals are gung ho for starting World War III...

https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel/videos

https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxBusinessNetwork/videos

Search the page for videos about Ukraine and read the comments. Regular
Fox News viewers (proving they are not sheep) are BASHING the heck out of
Fox in the comment sections. It's a bloodbath. Similar happens to neocon
Newsmax uploads about Ukraine...

https://www.youtube.com/c/NewsmaxtvLive/videos

Not so with neocons and liberal viewers, they eat it up...

https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74

"Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham
Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and
influential people within the Democratic Party."

Glenn Greenwald is a liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law (1994)
and The George Washington University (1990).

https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald

Cursitor Doom wrote:

> John Doe wrote:

>> Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World
>> renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become,
>> spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
>
> THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
> gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago. Putin is now forced
> to act to prevent himself ending up in the exact same position as Jack
> Kennedy in the US back in '62 and only a brainwashed fool would be
> unable to understand that simple concept.

This is so weird (good weird), when you go to MSNBC, their viewers'
reactions are the OPPOSITE of Fox viewers...

Unlike on MSNBC, this is the RULE whenever Fox uploads a neocon video...

https://youtu.be/jsiRQ5XRyRM

The top comments...

Wow really happy this man isn�t gonna be anywhere near the governor�s
mansion.

The 7 stages of grief:
1- Denial <-- Zelensky is here
2- Pain <-- Ukrainians are here
3- Anger <-- Media and Mark Levin are here.

Zelensky got his own people in a war with absolutely NOTHING to gain. His
ego and foolishness blinded him nearly provoking a World War. He should go
back to the negotiating table, talk and resolve matters NOW

Very disappointed in mark Levin - the USA has had ENOUGH of the swamp wars

Wondering if it was as sick as that of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan,
Yemen etc!

This combat veteran is boasting about previous American invasions in all
those countries and still has the nerve to condemn russia, as if their
angels themselves

What�s sicking is the average taxpayer filling the coffers of the military
industrial complex. How about we try a new tactic send world leaders and
politicians to kick off these wars with bankers in the rear, see how long
these wars last�

and on and on and on...

It's like that under every neocon Ukraine video Fox or Fox Business
uploads. It's cool and refreshing. Those are not liberal trolls invading
Fox space, or Russian bots. Those are regular Fox viewers (maybe not all
Americans).