Debating anything with a chronic liar is a waste of time. When you
counter its lies, it simply makes up more lies to cover its prior lies.
Its fiction never ends.

Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an
attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

"the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

"the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
(Bozo lying)

"the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
(Bozo being weird)

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:13:12 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

> Zelensky got his own people in a war with absolutely NOTHING to gain. His
> ego and foolishness blinded him nearly provoking a World War. He should go
> back to the negotiating table, talk and resolve matters NOW

Oh, you forgot the Nazis did it, AGAIN. That impugns the credibility of the Nazi
scare, if even sycophants like John Doe point at a Jew and say
"he did it". Get back to the Putin talking points quick, or he might put
you on his list.

John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t454dq$20v$1@dont-
email.me:

> We do not have hypersonic missiles, but Russia sure does...
>

Yes, we do, idiot.

There are many things that John Dope failed to keep up with in his
life. Being correct has always been his most difficult hurdle, and he
still has yet to clear it.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
>>> looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?
>>>
>>> For a sampling (many hits):
>>>
>>> <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>
>>>
>>> <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>
>>>
>>> <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>
>>>
>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>
>>>
>>> <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>
>>>
>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
>>>from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
>>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
>>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
>>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
>>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>>
>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!
>>
>> They don't seem to do anything very well.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao
>>
>>
>>
>
>Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each
>year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed
>20 years ago.

Tank, too.

>
>$4.3 billion for these,
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>
>
><https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>
>
>Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth.
>At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
>still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on
>the Moskva about 0%:
>
><https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>
>
>
>
Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.

We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.

Smart swarms will change warfare forever.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:44:26 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 4/23/2022 6:00 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
>> looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?
>>
>> For a sampling (many hits):
>>
>> <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>
>>
>> <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>
>>
>>
>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
>> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now,
>> with
>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s
>> economic
>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross
>> domestic
>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>
>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi!  Even Alabama!
>
>Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
>Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the
>country after the fall of the Soviet Union.
>
>That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style
>comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they
>knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.

Russia was making progress until lately.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/

although they still have about 1/4 the per-capita GDP of Alabama.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On 2022-04-25 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
>>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
>>>> looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?
>>>>
>>>> For a sampling (many hits):
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>
>>>>
>>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
>>> >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
>>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
>>>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
>>>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
>>>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
>>>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>>>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>>>
>>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!
>>>
>>> They don't seem to do anything very well.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each
>> year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed
>> 20 years ago.
>
> Tank, too.
>
>>
>> $4.3 billion for these,
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>
>>
>> <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>
>>
>> Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth.
>> At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
>> still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on
>> the Moskva about 0%:
>>
>> <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>
>>
>>
>>
> Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
> gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.
>
> We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.
>
> Smart swarms will change warfare forever.

Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
foreign soil.

Jeroen Belleman

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:23:32 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

>On 2022-04-25 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
>>>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
>>>>> looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> For a sampling (many hits):
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>
>>>>>
>>>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>>>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
>>>> >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
>>>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
>>>>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
>>>>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
>>>>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
>>>>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>>>>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>>>>
>>>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!
>>>>
>>>> They don't seem to do anything very well.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each
>>> year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed
>>> 20 years ago.
>>
>> Tank, too.
>>
>>>
>>> $4.3 billion for these,
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>
>>>
>>> <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>
>>>
>>> Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth.
>>> At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
>>> still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on
>>> the Moskva about 0%:
>>>
>>> <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
>> gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.
>>
>> We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.
>>
>> Smart swarms will change warfare forever.
>
>Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
>foreign soil.
>
>Jeroen Belleman

All militaries want to test their gear and their people; that's one
reason they jump into conflicts. A lot of european countries are doing
that right now.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On 2022-04-25 17:35, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:23:32 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-25 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
>>>>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
>>>>>> looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a sampling (many hits):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>>>>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
>>>>> >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
>>>>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
>>>>>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
>>>>>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
>>>>>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
>>>>>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>>>>>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't seem to do anything very well.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each
>>>> year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed
>>>> 20 years ago.
>>>
>>> Tank, too.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> $4.3 billion for these,
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>
>>>>
>>>> Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth.
>>>> At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
>>>> still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on
>>>> the Moskva about 0%:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
>>> gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.
>>>
>>> We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.
>>>
>>> Smart swarms will change warfare forever.
>>
>> Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
>> foreign soil.
>>
>> Jeroen Belleman
>
> All militaries want to test their gear and their people; that's one
> reason they jump into conflicts. A lot of european countries are doing
> that right now.

Maybe. I always wonder if those conflicts weren't provoked for exactly
that reason. This one sure has all the symptoms, as do the conflicts
in the middle east, Afghanistan and Irak. That last one without even
the shadow of a doubt.

I don't think European nations might have had an interest in provoking
this particular conflict, but I'm not so convinced about you guys. It's
far from /your/ beds.

Jeroen Belleman

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:52:33 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> On 2022-04-25 17:35, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:23:32 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> > <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-04-25 16:08, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
> >>>>> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
> >>>>>> looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For a sampling (many hits):
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
> >>>>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
> >>>>> >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
> >>>>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
> >>>>>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
> >>>>>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
> >>>>>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
> >>>>>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
> >>>>>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They don't seem to do anything very well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each
> >>>> year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed
> >>>> 20 years ago.
> >>>
> >>> Tank, too.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> $4.3 billion for these,
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>
> >>>>
> >>>> Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth.
> >>>> At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
> >>>> still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on
> >>>> the Moskva about 0%:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
> >>> gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.
> >>>
> >>> We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.
> >>>
> >>> Smart swarms will change warfare forever.
> >>
> >> Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
> >> foreign soil.
> >>
> >> Jeroen Belleman
> >
> > All militaries want to test their gear and their people; that's one
> > reason they jump into conflicts. A lot of european countries are doing
> > that right now.
> Maybe. I always wonder if those conflicts weren't provoked for exactly
> that reason. This one sure has all the symptoms, as do the conflicts
> in the middle east, Afghanistan and Irak. That last one without even
> the shadow of a doubt.
>
> I don't think European nations might have had an interest in provoking
> this particular conflict, but I'm not so convinced about you guys. It's
> far from /your/ beds.

But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than declaring that Ukrainians have right to live?

Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in
news:t46n4m$11lr$1@gioia.aioe.org:

> On 2022-04-25 17:35, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:23:32 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-04-25 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
>>>>>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable
>>>>>>> and is looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as
>>>>>>> long as possible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For a sampling (many hits):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/713738
>>>>>>> 4/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sud
>>>>>>> den-041309456.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine
>>>>>>> -taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-
>>>>>>> economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the
>>>>>>> -brink-of-collapse/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin�s confusion of
>>>>>>> Russia, which had a GDP the size of Texas before the war,
>>>>>>> with the former Russian Empire
>>>>>> >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, �even before the
>>>>>> >invasion, Russia�s
>>>>>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an
>>>>>>> empire. Now, with foreign sanctions presiding over a
>>>>>>> plummeting Russian ruble, Russia�s economic standing has
>>>>>>> fallen further still. If measured at today�s exchange rates,
>>>>>>> Russia�s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world,
>>>>>>> with a gross domestic product (GDP) not much larger than the
>>>>>>> state of Ohio�s.� How do you say �Mississippi, here we
>>>>>>> come!� in Russian?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even
>>>>>>> Alabama!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They don't seem to do anything very well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting
>>>>> ducks each year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage
>>>>> as the USS Cole showed 20 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Tank, too.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> $4.3 billion for these,
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-
>>>>> zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful
>>>>> stealth. At least they're only building three as opposed to
>>>>> the original 20, still too many, the chances they could
>>>>> survive an attack like the one on the Moskva about 0%:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-steal
>>>>> th-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need
>>>> gigantic gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would
>>>> be better.
>>>>
>>>> We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.
>>>>
>>>> Smart swarms will change warfare forever.
>>>
>>> Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
>>> foreign soil.
>>>
>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>
>> All militaries want to test their gear and their people; that's
>> one reason they jump into conflicts. A lot of european countries
>> are doing that right now.
>
>
> Maybe. I always wonder if those conflicts weren't provoked for
> exactly that reason. This one sure has all the symptoms, as do the
> conflicts in the middle east, Afghanistan and Irak. That last one
> without even the shadow of a doubt.
>
> I don't think European nations might have had an interest in
> provoking this particular conflict, but I'm not so convinced about
> you guys. It's far from /your/ beds.
>
> Jeroen Belleman
>
>

I used to say that the Gulf War was a proving ground for our stelth
capabilities AND our battle theater communications gear up against
whatever technology level the Russians had Saddam up to at the time.

We were ecstatic that our gear is orders of magnitude better than the
Russian crap.

Then the bastards and Assange, etc. hacked us and started trying to
copy us as did China.

In Afghanistan, we proved that old analog feedback panels used in the
A-10 Warthogs was perfectly sufficient to obliterate any and all
targets. Now we are pumping out the new A-10 (as opposed to canceling
them) And they are even more advanced and more (precision level)
deadly.

In this arena, we get to check out some of our new gear, but the
Britain's new anti-aircraft ground based (and manpad)missiles are
amazingly fast and accurate in invulnerable to jamming and do not even
care about chaff flares, etc.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NUoDLgvm8c>

Elon Musk is talking about putting up space birds that attack other
space birds. And even a grappler version (which I talked about
literally decades ago).

It is all heating up, and the rest of us will have whatever economy
rambles through us as we watch yet again, while a nuclear arsenal
weilding autocratic nation threatens the world and traipses around
killing innocents as he lies to his people to get them behind him,
leaving them unaware of any reality.

And the big bad US and her allies have to stave off the assholes
without pushing them to their points of wanting to push launch buttons.

I now hope that we can put up birds with lasers and or rail guns to
shoot any and all ICBMs and their MIRV warheads before they reach their
apogees.

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214-9c43-67f5201ec5e7n@googlegroups.com:

> But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than declaring
> that Ukrainians have right to live?

We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing dumbshit!

You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics, rests
firmly at NIL.

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
> > But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than declaring
> > that Ukrainians have right to live?
> We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing dumbshit!
>
> You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
> electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics, rests
> firmly at NIL.

Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did nothing to provoke this conflict.

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
> > > But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than declaring
> > > that Ukrainians have right to live?
> > We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing dumbshit!
> >
> > You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
> > electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics, rests
> > firmly at NIL.
> Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did nothing to provoke this conflict.

DecadentLinux is a total Freaking (FFF) Stupid (SSS) Crazy (CCC) Idiot. He only post meaningless youtube videos.

On 4/25/2022 10:23 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

>> Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
>> gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.
>>
>> We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.
>>
>> Smart swarms will change warfare forever.
>
> Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
> foreign soil.
>
> Jeroen Belleman

The US track record in the past 70 years is two losses (Vietnam,
Afghanistan) and two bloody stalemates (Korea, Iraq), given such poor
performance it's surprising American citizens are willing to give it any
money at all.

But under Biden it's getting the most money ever, no surprises there
defense budgets only go up. The money tends to only be good in practice
for enriching people who are fabulously wealthy already, and developing
tech that can only win "wars" against American citizens themselves.

Regrettably well over 50% of the population seems to prefer it that way.

On 4/25/2022 10:20 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
>>> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now,
>>> with
>>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s
>>> economic
>>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
>>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross
>>> domestic
>>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>>
>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi!  Even Alabama!
>>
>> Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
>> Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the
>> country after the fall of the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style
>> comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they
>> knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.
>
> Russia was making progress until lately.
>
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/
>
> although they still have about 1/4 the per-capita GDP of Alabama.

Even Putin seems to have been at least momentarily surprised that his
advisors and "friends" were robbing him blind to line their pickets &
telling him what he wanted to hear most of the time. "Oh yes comra...er,
Mr. President, we use money make very good tank force! Best in world, of
course. We take much care to eliminate all corruption in procurement
process."

On 4/25/2022 3:08 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 4/25/2022 10:20 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian
>>>> Empire
>>>> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion,
>>>> Russia’s
>>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now,
>>>> with
>>>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s
>>>> economic
>>>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange
>>>> rates,
>>>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross
>>>> domestic
>>>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>>>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>>>
>>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi!  Even Alabama!
>>>
>>> Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
>>> Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the
>>> country after the fall of the Soviet Union.
>>>
>>> That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style
>>> comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they
>>> knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.
>>
>> Russia was making progress until lately.
>>
>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/
>>
>>
>> although they still have about 1/4 the per-capita GDP of Alabama.
>
> Even Putin seems to have been at least momentarily surprised that his
> advisors and "friends" were robbing him blind to line their pickets

line their pockets, rather, they didn't do much picketing I expect

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9959ea79-e665-4881-9449-ae1e50e881ean@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7,
> DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
>> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
>> > But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than
>> > declaring that Ukrainians have right to live?
>> We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing
>> dumbshit!
>>
>> You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
>> electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics,
>> rests firmly at NIL.
>
> Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree
> with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did
> nothing to provoke this conflict.
>

English problems again? Your "other than" segment states
otherwise.

Jap that. And the word is YAPPING not "japping".

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 1:11:07 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:9959ea79-e665-4881...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7,
> > DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> >> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
> >> > But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than
> >> > declaring that Ukrainians have right to live?
> >> We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing
> >> dumbshit!
> >>
> >> You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
> >> electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics,
> >> rests firmly at NIL.
> >
> > Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree
> > with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did
> > nothing to provoke this conflict.
> >
> English problems again? Your "other than" segment states
> otherwise.
>
> Jap that. And the word is YAPPING not "japping".

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=japping

You are Silly Stupid Stubborn (SSS) Freaking Foul Fool (FFF) idiot.

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 1:11:07 PM UTC-7, Decadent Linux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:9959ea79-e665-4881...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7,
> > DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> >> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
> >> > But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than
> >> > declaring that Ukrainians have right to live?
> >> We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing
> >> dumbshit!
> >>
> >> You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
> >> electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics,
> >> rests firmly at NIL.
> >
> > Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree
> > with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did
> > nothing to provoke this conflict.
> >
> English problems again? Your "other than" segment states
> otherwise.

So, "Freedom to Live" is provocation for military conflict? Ed Lee may be opinionated, DecadentLinux is STUPID.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:08:13 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 4/25/2022 10:20 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>>>> "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
>>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
>>>> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
>>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now,
>>>> with
>>>> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s
>>>> economic
>>>> standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
>>>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross
>>>> domestic
>>>> product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
>>>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"
>>>>
>>>> And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi!  Even Alabama!
>>>
>>> Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
>>> Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the
>>> country after the fall of the Soviet Union.
>>>
>>> That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style
>>> comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they
>>> knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.
>>
>> Russia was making progress until lately.
>>
>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/
>>
>> although they still have about 1/4 the per-capita GDP of Alabama.
>
>Even Putin seems to have been at least momentarily surprised that his
>advisors and "friends" were robbing him blind to line their pickets &
>telling him what he wanted to hear most of the time. "Oh yes comra...er,
>Mr. President, we use money make very good tank force! Best in world, of
>course. We take much care to eliminate all corruption in procurement
>process."

The Russians are better off under a corrupt kleptocracy than they were
under communism. The oligarchs realize that a reasonably free economy
creates more to steal.

The Chinese realized that too.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

Those were Fox News viewers' comments, down until the "and on and on and
on..."

I don't necessarily agree with all of them.

On 2022-04-24, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
> Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas
> exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the
> ruble is higher than its prewar level.
>
> Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World
> renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred
> by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries. But who needs history,
> clowns in the mainstream media is the best place for information!
>
> Only neocons and liberals are for arming Ukraine. The rest of us Americans
> are for defending our own borders. We didn't even know what Ukraine was
> before the war, except "10% for the big guy" and an old Beatles song.
>
> It's a circus. Support for Ukraine is inversely proportional to support
> for Donald Trump. Everybody who is fawning over Ukraine, as if it were The
> Holy Land, hates Donald Trump. It's no coincidence that Ukrainian
> officials and media worked HARD for the New World Order and to defeat
> Trump in 2016. All sorts of fun stuff, possibly that, coming up in the
> John Durham report.
>
> The likelihood of major Durham indictments is much greater. Rodney Joffe
> might be spending the last part of his life in prison.

Are you posting this to distract from what is happening elswhere in the courts
like how Alex Jones is getting his arse handed to him in a string of civil
suits, and the ongoing indictment of insurrectionists.

--
Jasen.

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 9:27:51 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:28:44 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
> > Cursitor Doom wrote:
> > > John Doe wrote:
> > >
> > >> Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its
> > >> gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and
> > >> now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.
> > >>
> > >> Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World
> > >> renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become,
> > >> spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
> > >
> > > THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
> > > gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago. Putin is now forced
> > > to act to prevent himself ending up in the exact same position as Jack
> > > Kennedy in the US back in '62 and only a brainwashed fool would be
> > > unable to understand that simple concept.
> > For a good time, check out Fox News's channel...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel/videos
> >
> > Or even their business channel...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxBusinessNetwork/videos
> >
> > Search the page for videos about Ukraine and read the comments. Regular
> > Fox News viewers are BASHING the heck out of them in the comment sections.
> > It's a bloodbath. Similar thing happens with neocon Newsmax uploads...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/c/NewsmaxtvLive/videos
> >
> > Most Americans and probably most non-neocon non-liberal Europeans are
> > against participating in that war.
>
> John Doe is a lunatic. His idea of "most Americans" includes only the lunatic fringe that is nearly as silly as he is.
>
> https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/15/public-expresses-mixed-views-of-u-s-response-to-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
>
> Apparently some 33% of Americans favour direct US intervention even at the risk of a nuclear response from Russia, so there seem to be quite few left-wing lunatics in the US.
> Or perhaps they think that Putin is sane enough to recognise the certainty that Russia would be wiped out in such an exchange. It's not an assumption I'd be happy to make.
> 42% of Americans do think that the US isn't doing enough to support the Ukraine.
>
> --
> SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

So says the idiot who wants to NUKE and FIREBOMB his OWN COUNTRY!

Bozo.

Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an
attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

"the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

"the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
(Bozo lying)

"the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
(Bozo being weird)

Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

> John Doe wrote:

>> Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its
>> gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and
>> now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.
>>
>> Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World
>> renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become,
>> spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries. But who needs
>> history, clowns in the mainstream media is the best place for
>> information!
>>
>> Only neocons and liberals are for arming Ukraine. The rest of us
>> Americans are for defending our own borders. We didn't even know what
>> Ukraine was before the war, except "10% for the big guy" and an old
>> Beatles song.
>>
>> It's a circus. Support for Ukraine is inversely proportional to support
>> for Donald Trump. Everybody who is fawning over Ukraine, as if it were
>> The Holy Land, hates Donald Trump. It's no coincidence that Ukrainian
>> officials and media worked HARD for the New World Order and to defeat
>> Trump in 2016. All sorts of fun stuff, possibly that, coming up in the
>> John Durham report.
>>
>> The likelihood of major Durham indictments is much greater. Rodney
>> Joffe might be spending the last part of his life in prison.
>
> Are you posting this to distract from what is happening elswhere in the
> courts like how Alex Jones is getting his arse handed to him in a string
> of civil suits, and the ongoing indictment of insurrectionists.

Alex Jones had a YouTube channel? Likely "Jasen Betts" knows more about Alex
Jones than I do... lol. Don't really know who he is, don't really care.

Just like the guy with the horns. Never even saw the guy before the cannibal
left made a big deal about him.

I'm learning an awful lot about Hillary Clinton's Deep State lawyers and
high-tech allies.

I am a PC techie since the beginning. But people need to be aware that
revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken
away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.