In article <fbf2712b-743d-4d23-8944-ee96b0ed8085n@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dagdern@gmail.com> wrote:
>In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not important
>in the least.

I have nothing against people who prefer older performances, but I
do get the sense that there are people who disdain all new
interpretations (& all new music, of course), and I don't think
that's healthy for the culture overall....

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <fbf2712b-743d-4d23...@googlegroups.com>,
> JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not important
> >in the least.
> I have nothing against people who prefer older performances, but I
> do get the sense that there are people who disdain all new
> interpretations (& all new music, of course), and I don't think
> that's healthy for the culture overall....

Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another. There have been wars motivated by differences among denominations of the same faith. That’s folly enough.

In article <2b953454-303f-4422-b177-15b1237785ddn@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dagdern@gmail.com> wrote:
>Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society
>is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.

Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
here....

Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
> In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
> JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society
> >is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
> Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
> here....

The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.

Henk

On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
> Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
>> In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
>> JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society
>>> is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
>> Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
>> here....
>
> The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
>
> Henk

I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over
specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
well... or badly.

Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
start a separate thread.

I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be
interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.

And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
only one here who hasn't been insulted!

On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:
> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
> > I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552
> It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
>
> https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
>
> Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.

The truth is simple, and all three of the above, are appalling examples of right wing extremism.

> One might not agree with everything they say and do,

No kidding?

> but these are the people we need to defend the west... NOT Biden and NOT Scholz.

In your twisted world maybe, but not mine.

Ray Hall, Taree

In article <51caf0de-dfc5-4e91-bf9d-327314da1091n@googlegroups.com>,
HT <hvtuijl@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
>>Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
>>here....
>The norm? I think it is custom.

OK, reductive & hyberbolic statements do appear to be the custom
around here.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:13:18 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:
>
> I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over
> specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
> well... or badly.
>
> Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
> start a separate thread.
>

'Piano expert' seems to have become a contradiction in terms, if you'll excuse a cheap shot. On some days it seems RMCR has become a sort of Piano Main St., however without the kind of discussion warranted by people playing the instrument themselves, as used to be the case, formerly.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
> On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
> > Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
> >> In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society
> >>> is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
> >> Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
> >> here....
> >
> > The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
> >
> > Henk
> I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over
> specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
> well... or badly.
>
> Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
> start a separate thread.
>
> I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
> if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be
> interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
>
> And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
> only one here who hasn't been insulted!

Concerning "...what makes particular artists great", it is not always easy to describe the pleasure they provide:

- I have always said and felt that true enjoyment can not be described.

Jean-Jacques Rousseau

On 11/5/2022 5:32 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:
>> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
>>> I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552
>> It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
>>
>> https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
>>
>> Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
>
> The truth is simple,

If the truth were simple, everyone would agree.

and all three of the above, are appalling examples of right wing extremism.
>

Which policies of these guys are extreme? Examples please. And explain why you think they are extreme.

>> One might not agree with everything they say and do,
>
> No kidding?
>
>> but these are the people we need to defend the west... NOT Biden and NOT Scholz.
>
> In your twisted world maybe, but not mine.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 15:32:52 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 11/5/2022 5:32 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:
> >> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
> >>> I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552
> >> It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
> >>
> >> Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
> >
> > The truth is simple,
> If the truth were simple, everyone would agree.
> and all three of the above, are appalling examples of right wing extremism.
> >
> Which policies of these guys are extreme? Examples please. And explain why you think they are extreme.
> >> One might not agree with everything they say and do,

I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post. You are the one who has yet, against all the norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why you believe these three examples of disgusting humanity, and criminal to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to yourself.

Ray Hall, Taree

On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 15:32:52 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:

Read and digest Berger, and report for our amusement.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

Ray Hall, Taree

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:50:36 PM UTC+10:30, Andy Evans wrote:
> Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
>
> Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.

Reading through the whole history it is obvious that Dan is a Jewish narcissist that
demands more mentions of Jewish artists or he will accuse you of racism (antisemitism)
and carry on, prattling away forever like a petty supremacist psychopath.
Claiming victimhood whilst verbally assaulting you because he lost control.

The world would be a better place if every person with the personality of Dan just learned when to stop talking!

I come here to this group and this is the first topic I find. What is going on lol

On 11/6/2022 1:56 AM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 15:32:52 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 11/5/2022 5:32 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:
>>>> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
>>>>> I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552
>>>> It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
>>>>
>>>> Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
>>>
>>> The truth is simple,
>> If the truth were simple, everyone would agree.
>> and all three of the above, are appalling examples of right wing extremism.
>>>
>> Which policies of these guys are extreme? Examples please. And explain why you think they are extreme.
>>>> One might not agree with everything they say and do,
>
> I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post. You are the one who has yet, against all the norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why you believe these three examples of disgusting humanity, and criminal to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to yourself.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
>

No you are here to fling out accusations of fascism without defining it and without saying what those you accuse of it have done or believe that is fascist. It is exactly like McCarthy flinging out accusations of communism wherever he thought it would stir up trouble.

On 11/6/2022 1:08 AM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 15:32:52 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>
> Read and digest Berger, and report for our amusement.
>
> https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/
>
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
>

Not necessary. You already know what I think.

On 11/6/2022 2:06 AM, Manypeopletrytosee99 wro(te:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:50:36 PM UTC+10:30, Andy Evans wrote:
>> Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
>>
>> Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.
>
> Reading through the whole history it is obvious that Dan is a Jewish narcissist

Is that a special type of narcissist, or do you simply mean he is Jewish and a narcissist?

that
> demands more mentions of Jewish artists or he will accuse you of racism (antisemitism)

Dan has rarely accused anyone of antisemitism (I'll leave you do decide for yourself whether the accusations are deserved or not based on the evidence in RMCR). And he is constantly praising and offering up recordings by people of all sorts of races and cultures. Your generalization is unwarranted.

> and carry on, prattling away forever like a petty supremacist psychopath.
> Claiming victimhood whilst verbally assaulting you because he lost control.
>
> The world would be a better place if every person with the personality of Dan just learned when to stop talking!

And people without the personality of Dan.
>
> I come here to this group and this is the first topic I find. What is going on lol

You are free to leave.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:05:17 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>
> Dan has rarely accused anyone of antisemitism

> You are free to leave.

"Rarely" means more than once.

Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".

Op 2022-11-06 om 16:19 schreef Herman:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:05:17 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>>
>> Dan has rarely accused anyone of antisemitism
>
>> You are free to leave.
>
> "Rarely" means more than once.
>
> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".

In his cave that is called 'personality'.

Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:

> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".

Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?

The pluses of Dan's presence far outweigh the minuses.

Henk

On 11/6/2022 1:56 AM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 15:32:52 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 11/5/2022 5:32 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:
>>>> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
>>>>> I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552
>>>> It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
>>>>
>>>> Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
>>>
>>> The truth is simple,
>> If the truth were simple, everyone would agree.
>> and all three of the above, are appalling examples of right wing extremism.
>>>
>> Which policies of these guys are extreme? Examples please. And explain why you think they are extreme.
>>>> One might not agree with everything they say and do,
>
> I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post.

I don't believe I've ever asked that question about these individuals, but as you won't see this (ha ha) you can't (or won't) show me where I have. By the way, asking the question, that asking you to support an accusation, doesn't mean that I zero sympathy with it, though, of course, you will assume that I do.

You are the one who has yet, against all the norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why you believe these three examples of disgusting humanity, and criminal to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to yourself.
>

The word "extremist" is a matter of opinion or perspective. Also, I refuse to lump the three together. Each must be evaluated on there own. As far as I can tell anybody significantly to the right of YOU is labeled an extremist or a fascist.

> Ray Hall, Taree
>

On 11/6/2022 11:02 AM, Gerard wrote:
> Op 2022-11-06 om 16:19 schreef Herman:
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:05:17 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>
>>> Dan has rarely accused anyone of antisemitism
>>
>>> You are free to leave.
>>
>> "Rarely" means more than once.
>>
>> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody  "brainfucked imbeciles".
>
> In his cave that is called 'personality'.

I am not defending Dan's "personality" at all. I object to unsupported accusations, hyperbole, exaggeration and distortion for political or personal reasons. Even when Dan does it.

On 11/6/2022 11:03 AM, HT wrote:
> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
>
>> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
>
> Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
>
> The pluses of Dan's presence far outweigh the minuses.
>
> Henk
>

Unless you are a carping, whiny, scolding agent of correctness.

On 11/6/2022 10:19 AM, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:05:17 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>>
>> Dan has rarely accused anyone of antisemitism
>
>> You are free to leave.
>
> "Rarely" means more than once.
>

You may understand the word that way, but I can find no support for that statement. I believe, technically, that "once" is a subset of "rarely."

> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".

Which would you rather be? A brainfucked imbecile or a nazi.

How many different people has Dan called "Nazi?" You seem to have the information at your fingertips?

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
> > Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
> Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
>
Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked imbeciles just for fun?

BTW, it's been a while, but you've got the thing with Seinfeld's soup nazi ass backwards. The soup kitchen owner was not called Nazi to his face, far from it. He was treated with awe and respect (for his soup). Jerry and George referred to him as a Nazi among each other because he was yelling at people. So we should be calling DK a nazi, which, intriguingly, we don't.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:17:58 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
>
>
> BTW, it's been a while, but you've got the thing with Seinfeld's soup nazi ass backwards. The soup kitchen owner was not called Nazi to his face, far from it. He was treated with awe and respect (for his soup). Jerry and George referred to him as a Nazi among each other because he was yelling at people. So we should be calling DK a nazi, which, intriguingly, we don't.

Also, Seinfeld, George and Kramer were supposed to be (perceived as) monumentally immature. Not role models for senior cits in a imaginary "post-etiquette world".