> Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked imbeciles just for fun?

Did I ever call someone Nazi and/or brain-fucked imbecile?

> BTW, it's been a while, but you've got the thing with Seinfeld's soup nazi ass backwards. The soup kitchen owner was not called Nazi to his face, far from it. He was treated with awe and respect (for his soup). Jerry and George referred to him as a Nazi among each other because he was yelling at people. So we should be calling DK a nazi, which, intriguingly, we don't.

The 'soup Nazi' illustrates that 'Nazi 'may have other connotations in English than being a member of the NSDAP.

Henk

On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
>>> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
>> Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
>>
> Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked imbeciles just for fun?
>

As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said. Dan might call you a brainfucked imbecile. Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That is the statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person calling you a name is not someone you respect.

> BTW, it's been a while, but you've got the thing with Seinfeld's soup nazi ass backwards. The soup kitchen owner was not called Nazi to his face, far from it. He was treated with awe >and>?respect (for his soup).

They feared he would not sell them soup. Not sure there was respect there. I don't recall.

Jerry and George referred to him as a Nazi among each other because he was yelling at people. So we should be calling DK a nazi, which, intriguingly, we don't.

Go right ahead. It won't bother him a bit.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:08:51 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>
> Go right ahead. It won't bother him a bit.

So you're his surrogate now, in the post-etiquette mores?

I'm glad, however, you're back at nitpicking and critiquing everybody's tiniest move. That should mean you're feeling great.

On 11/6/2022 12:49 PM, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:08:51 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>>
>> Go right ahead. It won't bother him a bit.
>
> So you're his surrogate now, in the post-etiquette mores?
>

He can and no doubt will speak for himself. The fact that I commented does not mean I am his surrogate. As always, your logic is faulty.

> I'm glad, however, you're back at nitpicking and critiquing everybody's tiniest move. That should mean you're feeling great.

LOL. the RMCR scold speaks. Ever notice that when someone criticizes you its nitpicking? But when you criticize it's substantive, right?

Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
> On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
>>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
>>>> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having
>>>> another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty
>>>> much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
>>> Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the
>>> characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is
>>> only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
>>>
>> Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked
>> imbeciles just for fun?
>>
>
> As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said.  Dan might call you a
> brainfucked imbecile.  Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and
> stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."  That is the
> statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person
> calling you a name is not someone you respect.
>

This is ridiculous.
Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty,
arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not deserve
anyone's respect or understanding.

Herman, didn't you say something about "look i'm not butthurt because I was called an antisemite" in the other thread?

Now you're making a big drama again ;D Grow up you deranged piece of shit!

On 11/6/2022 1:24 PM, Gerard wrote:
> Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
>> On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
>>>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
>>>>> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
>>>> Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
>>>>
>>> Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked imbeciles just for fun?
>>>
>>
>> As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said.  Dan might call you a brainfucked imbecile.  Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."  That is the statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person calling you a name is not someone you respect.
>>
>
>
> This is ridiculous.
> Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty, arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not deserve anyone's respect or understanding.
>
>

I am not defending his behavior. I don't like it at all, despite the fact that it is obvious to you that I do (I don't know how you can be so wrong, so often). But neither does it bother me much. His behavior has nothing to do with me and I am not responsible for it. If anything, as a fellow human being, you should fell sorry for him, not demonize him.

Marc S schrieb am Sonntag, 6. November 2022 um 19:36:10 UTC+1:
> Herman, didn't you say something about "look i'm not butthurt because I was called an antisemite" in the other thread?
>
> Now you're making a big drama again ;D Grow up you deranged piece of shit!

Learn to live with the fact that some people think about you this way. Or better: start questioning your own idiocy.

Op 2022-11-06 om 19:44 schreef Frank Berger:
> On 11/6/2022 1:24 PM, Gerard wrote:
>> Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
>>> On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
>>>>>> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having
>>>>>> another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling
>>>>>> pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
>>>>> Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the
>>>>> characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is
>>>>> only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
>>>>>
>>>> Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked
>>>> imbeciles just for fun?
>>>>
>>>
>>> As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said.  Dan might call you
>>> a brainfucked imbecile.  Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and
>>> stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."  That is
>>> the statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person
>>> calling you a name is not someone you respect.
>>>
>>
>>
>> This is ridiculous.
>> Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty,
>> arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not
>> deserve anyone's respect or understanding.
>>
>>
>
> I am not defending his behavior.  I don't like it at all, despite the
> fact that it is obvious to you that I do (I don't know how you can be so
> wrong, so often).  But neither does it bother me much.  His behavior has
> nothing to do with me and I am not responsible for it.  If anything, as
> a fellow human being, you should fell sorry for him, not demonize him.
>

You are defending that behavior by encouraging it.

People in this thread... making drama for fucking nothing... someone called someone a brainfucked imbecile, and people are going crazy... Gerard, go fuck yourself you brainfucked imbecile ;D

Everybody get your pitchforks out, let's burn dan! ;D

Complete morons in this thread...

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:24:22 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
> Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
> > On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
> >> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> >>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
> >>>> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having
> >>>> another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty
> >>>> much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
> >>> Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the
> >>> characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is
> >>> only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
> >>>
> >> Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked
> >> imbeciles just for fun?
> >>
> >
> > As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said. Dan might call you a
> > brainfucked imbecile. Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and
> > stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That is the
> > statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person
> > calling you a name is not someone you respect.
> >
> This is ridiculous.
> Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty,
> arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not deserve
> anyone's respect or understanding.

Frank, "as usual" you misunderstand. I am not personally "hurt" if DK calls me an antisemite and a "mysoginist", calculating opportunistically that this will get some people on RMCR on his side. So, for instance, you started posting that you weren't so sure whether I weren't an antisemite indeed. That's DK's strategy. Absurdly I was also accused of being politically correct, even though accusing someone of antisemitism and misogyny is, obviously, the nr 1 politically correct strategy to "cancel" somebody. This is typical of DK's m.o. Talking out of both sides of his mouth, opportunistically.
This is why I took the liberty to point out (at the top of this Gouda topic) how bizarre his 'antisemitism' charge was. When in the mood you post thousands of words about the blessings of the free market or the microscopic difference between Republican and Libertarian, and people count on you doing this. You're totally welcome to do so. That's why I took the liberty of pointing out that NOT posting about Kreisler or Heifetz doesn't make one an antisemite.
So, yes I am aware that sticks and stones etc. And, yes, I agree with Gerard and many other RMCRers, that DK "post-etiquette" yelling abuse at people creates a lousy environment, especially since he posts massively and compulsively derails non-DK topics, too. And now I yield the floot to the miniature DK, who has a lot of fucks etc to say...

On 11/6/2022 1:49 PM, Gerard wrote:
> Op 2022-11-06 om 19:44 schreef Frank Berger:
>> On 11/6/2022 1:24 PM, Gerard wrote:
>>> Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
>>>> On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
>>>>>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
>>>>>>> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
>>>>>> Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked imbeciles just for fun?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said.  Dan might call you a brainfucked imbecile.  Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."  That is the statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person calling you a name is not someone you respect.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is ridiculous.
>>> Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty, arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not deserve anyone's respect or understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am not defending his behavior.  I don't like it at all, despite the fact that it is obvious to you that I do (I don't know how you can be so wrong, so often).  But neither does it bother me much.  His behavior has nothing to do with me and I am not responsible for it.  If anything, as a fellow human being, you should fell sorry for him, not demonize him.
>>
>
> You are defending that behavior by encouraging it.
>

Did you mean to say I am encouraging that behavior by defending it? Neither can be true because I neither defend it nor encourage it. I simply described how I react to it. I would thing the best way to encourage his bad behavior is to moan, bitch, carp and whine about ceaselessly. This is not rocket science, Gerard.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 8:20:36 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>
> > I would think the best way to encourage his bad behavior is to moan, bitch, carp and whine about ceaselessly. This is not rocket science, Gerard.

Not so sure about that. Like every bully, DK needs an audience that vicariously enjoys other folks getting abused. So if you're left with just one fan, who just happens to be a crazy copy kid whom you've repeatedly called a brainfucked nazi, it's getting less fun.

On 11/6/2022 2:17 PM, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:24:22 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
>> Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
>>> On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
>>>>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
>>>>>> Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having
>>>>>> another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty
>>>>>> much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
>>>>> Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the
>>>>> characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is
>>>>> only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
>>>>>
>>>> Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked
>>>> imbeciles just for fun?
>>>>
>>>
>>> As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said. Dan might call you a
>>> brainfucked imbecile. Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and
>>> stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That is the
>>> statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person
>>> calling you a name is not someone you respect.
>>>
>> This is ridiculous.
>> Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty,
>> arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not deserve
>> anyone's respect or understanding.
>
> Frank, "as usual" you misunderstand. I am not personally "hurt" if DK calls me an antisemite and a "mysoginist", calculating opportunistically that this will get some people on RMCR on his side.

Do you really, really think I "calculate" like that?

>So, for instance, you started posting that you weren't so sure whether I weren't an antisemite indeed.

In fact, I am not sure. Should I be sure that you are not? Why?

>That's DK's strategy.

He no more has a strategy than I do. I think we both just say what we think.

>Absurdly I was also accused of being politically correct, even though accusing someone of antisemitism and misogyny is, obviously, the nr 1 politically correct strategy to "cancel" somebody.

You know, that saying that this is the #1 strategy to cancel somebody is suggestive of antisemitism, because it is not.

>This is typical of DK's m.o. Talking out of both sides of his mouth, opportunistically.
> This is why I took the liberty to point out (at the top of this Gouda topic) how bizarre his 'antisemitism' charge was. When in the mood you post thousands of words about the blessings of the >free market or the microscopic difference between Republican and Libertarian,

Do I need to list the real policy differences between Republicans and Libertarians? Really? After all this time? You really can't do that yourself? To say they are microscopic differences reflects a huge level of ignorance. Willful ignorance probably.

> and people count on you doing this.

Which people? You? Gerard? Ray? Are there others? How many?

>You're totally welcome to do so. That's why I took the liberty of pointing out that NOT posting about Kreisler or Heifetz doesn't make one an antisemite.

I completely agree. But not EVER considering Jewish musicians certainly might be indicative of antisemitism, don't you think? How could it not be?

> So, yes I am aware that sticks and stones etc. And, yes, I agree with Gerard and many other RMCRers, that DK "post-etiquette" yelling abuse at people creates a lousy environment, especially >since he posts massively and compulsively derails non-DK topics, too. And now I yield the floot to the miniature DK, who has a lot of fucks etc to say...

If you don't like his using the word, I hardly see how you can justify using it yourself.

On 11/6/2022 2:33 PM, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 8:20:36 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>>
>>> I would think the best way to encourage his bad behavior is to moan, bitch, carp and whine about ceaselessly. This is not rocket science, Gerard.
>
> Not so sure about that. Like every bully, DK needs an audience that vicariously enjoys other folks getting abused. So if you're left with just one fan, who just happens to be a crazy copy kid whom you've repeatedly called a brainfucked nazi, it's getting less fun.

Eyes rolling in head.

As usual I find Ray makes the most sense on this thread. We see eye to eye on most things.

But hey, it's a newsgroup and tastes are going to vary considerably. I stay out of these kind of conversations in general.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
> On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
> > Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
> >> In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society
> >>> is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
> >> Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
> >> here....
> >
> > The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
> >
> > Henk
> I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over
> specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
> well... or badly.
>
> Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
> start a separate thread.
>
> I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
> if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be
> interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
>
> And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
> only one here who hasn't been insulted!

Considering that every one in this free-for-all of a thread is likely older than me by at least 25 years or so, allow me to offer my perspective as a generational outsider:

I think everyone on RMCR is at least a little loopy or warped. Except me, of course. And besides having objectively correct opinions on music and various other subjects, I also enjoy great mental health. :)

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 7:56:27 AM UTC+11, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
> > On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
> > > Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
> > >> In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >> JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society
> > >>> is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
> > >> Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
> > >> here....
> > >
> > > The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
> > >
> > > Henk
> > I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over
> > specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
> > well... or badly.
> >
> > Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
> > start a separate thread.
> >
> > I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
> > if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be
> > interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
> >
> > And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
> > only one here who hasn't been insulted!
>
>
> Considering that every one in this free-for-all of a thread is likely older than me by at least 25 years or so, allow me to offer my perspective as a generational outsider:
>
> I think everyone on RMCR is at least a little loopy or warped. Except me, of course. And besides having objectively correct opinions on music and various other subjects, I also enjoy great mental health. :)

Nobody who likes Offenbach as much as I do can be considered loopy or indeed warped. I do find it difficult myself to describe music or indeed to evaluate most performances, other than in the most general terms, but yes, I would enjoy reading Mr Sure's evaluations and analyses of YouTube examples, or indeed anybody else's. One tires of kvetchings.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:56:27 PM UTC-5, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
> > On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
> > > Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
> > >> In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >> JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society
> > >>> is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
> > >> Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
> > >> here....
> > >
> > > The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
> > >
> > > Henk
> > I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over
> > specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
> > well... or badly.
> >
> > Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
> > start a separate thread.
> >
> > I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
> > if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be
> > interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
> >
> > And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
> > only one here who hasn't been insulted!
>
>
> Considering that every one in this free-for-all of a thread is likely older than me by at least 25 years or so, allow me to offer my perspective as a generational outsider:
>
> I think everyone on RMCR is at least a little loopy or warped. Except me, of course. And besides having objectively correct opinions on music and various other subjects, I also enjoy great mental health. :)

Why all the complex analysis?

How about a reasonable standard of courtesy - respect for others’ opinions, even if they don’t agree with one’s own. Enough humility to express a point of view, and then to clear the way for others to do likewise.

But the past has shown that those who most need to hear this won’t, and things will proceed as usual.

Those contributors who commanded my respect in the past and left the group did so quietly without fanfare.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 8:38:15 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 11/6/2022 2:17 PM, Herman wrote:
> >
> >You're totally welcome to do so. That's why I took the liberty of pointing out that NOT posting about Kreisler or Heifetz doesn't make one an antisemite.

> I completely agree. But not EVER considering Jewish musicians certainly might be indicative of antisemitism, don't you think? How could it not be?

Well, Frank, selective memory is a bitch. Fortunately however I pointed out that I had only a couple of weeks ago expressly mentioned Raphael Hillyer, the alto player in the sixties' Juilliard Quartet, who in my view was the quintessential element in the band.
Hilariously, Crazy Koren responded that this surely made me an antisemite, since Hillyer was just a violist, not a violinist. We're not talking a rational person here....

On 11/6/22 4:12 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:

>>>> The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
>>>>
>>>> Henk
>>> I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over
>>> specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
>>> well... or badly.
>>>
>>> Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
>>> start a separate thread.
>>>
>>> I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
>>> if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be
>>> interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
>>>
>>> And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
>>> only one here who hasn't been insulted!
>> yes, I would enjoy reading Mr Sure's evaluations and analyses of YouTube examples, or indeed anybody else's.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

Mr Clarke, I obviously don't need much encouragement to post here, but
really appreciate the feedback!

I'll now start a thread - it hopefully will somewhat help us to
understand the strong preferences people have relating to certain
performers.

For those that follow Hockey there is an expression (Rodney Dangerfield)
"I went to a fight the other night, and a hockey game broke out". My
hope is that folks will take a time out from this fight here and
discussion of Classical Recordings will break out...

On 11/6/2022 4:20 PM, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 8:38:15 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 11/6/2022 2:17 PM, Herman wrote:
>>>
>>> You're totally welcome to do so. That's why I took the liberty of pointing out that NOT posting about Kreisler or Heifetz doesn't make one an antisemite.
>
>> I completely agree. But not EVER considering Jewish musicians certainly might be indicative of antisemitism, don't you think? How could it not be?
>
> Well, Frank, selective memory is a bitch. Fortunately however I pointed out that I had only a couple of weeks ago expressly mentioned Raphael Hillyer, the alto player in the sixties' Juilliard >Quartet, who in my view was the quintessential element in the band.

None of this proves anything. The definition of antisemitism is itself elusive and is often a matter of degree. I don't consider a Christian who doesn't want his child to marry a Jew to be necessarily antisemitic. It depends on why he doesn't want him/her to. There are people who have Jewish friends but are still unambiguously antisemitic. How? Their friend is the exception who doesn't fit the hated stereotype.

> Hilariously, Crazy Koren responded that this surely made me an antisemite, since Hillyer was just a violist, not a violinist. We're not talking a rational person here....
>

Hilariously? So you recognize he was joking. Well done.

On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 00:59:57 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:

> >>>> One might not agree with everything they say and do,
> >
> > I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post. You are the one who has yet, against all the norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why you believe these three examples of disgusting humanity, and criminal to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to yourself.
> >
> > Ray Hall, Taree
> >
> No you are here to fling out accusations of fascism without defining it and without saying what those you accuse of it have done or believe that is fascist. It is exactly like McCarthy flinging out accusations of communism wherever he thought it would stir up trouble.

Wherever fascism is so obviously evident, it is not necessary to define it, even to those who obviously appear to embrace it fully, and at the same time then try to deny it. As you also do with Israeli war crimes.

Ray Hall, Taree

On 11/6/2022 10:29 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 00:59:57 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
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>>>>>> One might not agree with everything they say and do,
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>>> I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post. You are the one who has yet, against all the norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why you believe these three examples of disgusting humanity, and criminal to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to yourself.
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>>> Ray Hall, Taree
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>> No you are here to fling out accusations of fascism without defining it and without saying what those you accuse of it have done or believe that is fascist. It is exactly like McCarthy flinging out accusations of communism wherever he thought it would stir up trouble.
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> Wherever fascism is so obviously evident, it is not necessary to define it, even to those who obviously appear to embrace it fully, and at the same time then try to deny it. As you also do with Israeli war crimes.
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> Ray Hall, Taree

Fortunately, what is "obviously evident" to you is not so to most people.

What Israeli war crimes? How many? How often? Which ones exactly? We can discuss and evaluate them together. We can compare the frequency and severity of so-called Israeli war crimes with Palestinian terror attacks. I am prepared to discuss this till doomsday. Let's go. Or is just easier for you to accuse Israel without being willing to discuss it? I am not concerned with changing your mind, but I am interested in defending Israel from you poisoned mind and poison pen in the minds of others who might read what you have to say. Go ahead, maybe you can bring others to your way of thinking. To quote Obama, you are SO on the wrong side of history, it would be funny, except your way of thinking causes people (on both sides) to actually die.