Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>
>> previously on.
>
> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of the
> second. Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti! One and a half and
> done. *plonk*
>

Oh, come on, when was the last time we had something this truly rancid to
unpeel?

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On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>
>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>
>>>> previously on.
>>>
>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>
>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>> teenage/YA angst.
>
> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
> also early 30s.
>
> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>
>
Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.

suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>
>>>>> previously on.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>>
>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>>> teenage/YA angst.
>>
>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
>> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
>> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
>> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
>> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
>> also early 30s.
>>
>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>>
>>
> Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.
>

Apparently they aren’t ready for any situation.

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On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:51:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> previously on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>>>
>>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>>>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>>>> teenage/YA angst.
>>>
>>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
>>> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
>>> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
>>> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
>>> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
>>> also early 30s.
>>>
>>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>>>
>>>
>> Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.
>>
>
>Apparently they aren’t ready for any situation.

I think they are ready for a fight amongst each other. It's apparently
the only thing they were ready for.

On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>
>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>
>>>> previously on.
>>>
>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>
>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>> teenage/YA angst.
>
> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
> also early 30s.
>
> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>
But the characters are acting like teenagers and there is a long
tradition of middle age actors playing teenagers, so it doesn't matter
what the actors' ages are.

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dirty old man.

On 2/11/2023 12:29 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>
>>> previously on.
>>
>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of the
>> second. Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti! One and a half and
>> done. *plonk*
>>
>
> Oh, come on, when was the last time we had something this truly rancid to
> unpeel?
>
Every day? Or I should say Every day that I watch TV? Since I'm
watching less and less current TV and relying more on DVDs and BRs of
older stuff.

--
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dirty old man.

On 2/11/2023 9:14 AM, shawn wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:51:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> previously on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>>>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>>>>
>>>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>>>>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>>>>> teenage/YA angst.
>>>>
>>>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
>>>> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
>>>> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
>>>> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
>>>> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
>>>> also early 30s.
>>>>
>>>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>>>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.
>>>
>>
>> Apparently they aren’t ready for any situation.
>
> I think they are ready for a fight amongst each other. It's apparently
> the only thing they were ready for.
>
I meant prepared for running the ship.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:51:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> previously on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>>>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>>>>
>>>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>>>>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>>>>> teenage/YA angst.
>>>>
>>>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
>>>> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
>>>> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
>>>> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
>>>> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
>>>> also early 30s.
>>>>
>>>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>>>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.
>>>
>>
>> Apparently they aren’t ready for any situation.
>
> I think they are ready for a fight amongst each other. It's apparently
> the only thing they were ready for.
>

And they lost. To a girl.

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 2/11/2023 12:29 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>
>>>> previously on.
>>>
>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of the
>>> second. Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti! One and a half and
>>> done. *plonk*
>>>
>>
>> Oh, come on, when was the last time we had something this truly rancid to
>> unpeel?
>>
> Every day? Or I should say Every day that I watch TV? Since I'm
> watching less and less current TV and relying more on DVDs and BRs of
> older stuff.
>

I hear you. I am mostly down to vintage stuff.

--
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suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> On 2/11/2023 9:14 AM, shawn wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:51:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> previously on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>>>>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>>>>>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>>>>>> teenage/YA angst.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
>>>>> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
>>>>> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
>>>>> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
>>>>> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
>>>>> also early 30s.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>>>>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently they aren’t ready for any situation.
>>
>> I think they are ready for a fight amongst each other. It's apparently
>> the only thing they were ready for.
>>
> I meant prepared for running the ship.
>

They aren’t prepared for that at all. But maybe there’s no reason to be.
They are cargo, not crew.

--
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:27:38 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2023 9:14 AM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:51:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> previously on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>>>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>>>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>>>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>>>>>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>>>>>>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>>>>>>> teenage/YA angst.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
>>>>>> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
>>>>>> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
>>>>>> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
>>>>>> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
>>>>>> also early 30s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>>>>>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently they aren’t ready for any situation.
>>>
>>> I think they are ready for a fight amongst each other. It's apparently
>>> the only thing they were ready for.
>>>
>> I meant prepared for running the ship.
>>
>
>They aren’t prepared for that at all. But maybe there’s no reason to be.
>They are cargo, not crew.

True, they were only supposed to be woken when they were no more than
a week out from landing. So no need for any of them to know much about
running the ship.

On 2/11/2023 11:27 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2023 9:14 AM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:51:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> previously on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>>>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>>>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>>>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>>>>>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>>>>>>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>>>>>>> teenage/YA angst.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
>>>>>> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
>>>>>> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
>>>>>> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
>>>>>> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
>>>>>> also early 30s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>>>>>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently they aren’t ready for any situation.
>>>
>>> I think they are ready for a fight amongst each other. It's apparently
>>> the only thing they were ready for.
>>>
>> I meant prepared for running the ship.
>>
>
> They aren’t prepared for that at all. But maybe there’s no reason to be.
> They are cargo, not crew.
>
Ahh, I didn't get that far.

suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> On 2/11/2023 11:27 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/11/2023 9:14 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:51:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> previously on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>>>>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>>>>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>>>>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>>>>>>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>>>>>>>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>>>>>>>> teenage/YA angst.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
>>>>>>> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
>>>>>>> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
>>>>>>> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
>>>>>>> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
>>>>>>> also early 30s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>>>>>>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently they aren’t ready for any situation.
>>>>
>>>> I think they are ready for a fight amongst each other. It's apparently
>>>> the only thing they were ready for.
>>>>
>>> I meant prepared for running the ship.
>>>
>>
>> They aren’t prepared for that at all. But maybe there’s no reason to be.
>> They are cargo, not crew.
>>
> Ahh, I didn't get that far.
>

I did and it still hadn’t occurred to me. Thanks for bringing it up.

These guys they woke up are all clamoring to get jobs. And I couldn’t
understand why they didn’t already have assigned jobs but it’s because they
weren’t meant to be working on the ship.

Apparently the ships waste disposal requires people with shovels working
the muck. That didn’t make any sense either until you realize it was never
supposed to have an awake crew of more than a handful of people. So.
anybody that can’t prove their worth is just below decks beating the mud
with sticks like in Monty Python.

Of course, if they’ve only got a couple days worth of water, I don’t know
why you’d bother to have 100 people below decks beating the mud with
sticks.

So all these huge community areas like the cafeteria and the sick pay were
only supposed to be used for that last week before they landed.

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shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:27:38 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/11/2023 9:14 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:51:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> previously on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>>>>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>>>>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>>>>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half
>>>>>>>>> and done.  *plonk*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that
>>>>>>>> was more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the
>>>>>>>> teenage/YA angst.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible two,
>>>>>>> exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece Ritchie
>>>>>>> (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30 (he's
>>>>>>> 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is around 30
>>>>>>> (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late 20s, is
>>>>>>> also early 30s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>>>>>>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever. They were newbies put into a situation they weren't ready for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently they aren’t ready for any situation.
>>>>
>>>> I think they are ready for a fight amongst each other. It's apparently
>>>> the only thing they were ready for.
>>>>
>>> I meant prepared for running the ship.
>>>
>>
>> They aren’t prepared for that at all. But maybe there’s no reason to be.
>> They are cargo, not crew.
>
> True, they were only supposed to be woken when they were no more than
> a week out from landing. So no need for any of them to know much about
> running the ship.
>

Yep. Suzie Q has edumacated us.

--
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On 2023-02-11 17:49:48 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:

> On 2/10/2023 10:17 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>> On 2023-02-11 05:24:03 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>> On 2/10/2023 8:07 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 2/9/2023 3:18 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> S01E02 “ like It Touched the Sun“.
>>>>>
>>>>> previously on.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, I've watched the first episode of this and am in the middle of
>>>> the second.  Not only is this a rancid onion emitting soap bubbles of
>>>> flaming stupidity, its a TEENAGE ANGST rancid onion emitting soap
>>>> bubbles of flaming stupidity on a bed of spaghetti!  One and a half and
>>>> done.  *plonk*
>>>>
>>> I watched about 15-20 minutes of the first episode and decided that was
>>> more than enought for me. I could see it was going into the teenage/YA
>>> angst.
>>
>> You're making the same mistake Reddit did - with only one, possible
>> two, exceptions, no one is a "teenager" or "YA" on this show. Reece
>> Ritchie (Lt. Lane) is over 35. The guy who plays Brice must be over 30
>> (he's 33). My guess is that Christie Burke, who plays Lt. Garnet, is
>> around 30 (she's also 33). Even Christina Wolfe, who I figured was late
>> 20s, is also early 30s.
>>
>> The Serbian cast all look to be older than that. Tiana Upcheva is
>> probably around 30, but I can't find her age.
>
> But the characters are acting like teenagers and there is a long
> tradition of middle age actors playing teenagers, so it doesn't matter
> what the actors' ages are.

They're not playing teenagers - the three Lt's, and most of the others,
are supposed to be no younger than mid-20s (and are likely older).
There's just two *maybe* teens in the cast.

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The Ark, S01E03 “Get out and Push”

“An asteroid is headed for us!“

No. It’s not. By definition it’s not. Whatever’s out there that’s gonna
smack you right in the face and hopefully kill you all, it’s not an
asteroid. The second word said on this episode is wrong.

Ian, that scene from future episodes we keep seeing about the lightspeed
engines, she’s now saying “near lightspeed“

So they are traveling ridiculously fast in normal space and relativity is
attached.

Our reluctant heroes are chatting about their options. The guy who
shouldn’t be captain, but thinks he is, wants to use the solar sails. The
ginger robot says they’re too far from a star. Duh. So he says that they
should divert the power into the almost light speed engines which were shut
down from overheating because they had drained the coolant, so that makes
no sense, and everybody just ignores what he said anyway. Suddenly alarms
go off, indicating an asteroid is coming at them (it’s not) And they’re all
scared and stuff.

I don’t think the writers, and I use that word very loosely, have taken
into consideration the fact that they are stopped dead. They are a light
year from the nearest asteroid. And they’re an awfully small target.

By the way, I finally got a good look at the whole ship, and all the
rotating sections are rotating the same way, which means the damn thing
should be precessing in the opposite direction. Also, the way it’s turning,
last week when the guy got speared by the narwhale, they were on the aft
section. Which means they got starboard wrong by any definition.

Oh, yeah, they say that if they don’t get the engines back up to near
lightspeed, they’ll miss Proxima B. Why? They’re stopped dead in space.
It’s not like Proxima B is much of a moving target. This is like your car
breaking down in the middle of the Mojave desert and you saying that if you
don’t get back up to 55 miles an hour you’re going to miss Los Angeles. No,
you’re not. You might miss a scheduled arrival time but you aren’t gonna
miss the city. Neither of you is going anywhere.

Oh my God. The ginger robot is asking the only surviving navigator if he
can find a closer star system for them to go to. There’s not going to be
anything closer than Proxima B. That’s why they’re going there. It’s the
closest place to go!

The only one who knows how to fix the engines is the same woman who is the
only one who knows how to fix the water reclamation unit. Not to mention
she’s the one who broke the engines in the first place.

Glasses girl gets both god and science wrong.

It’s the Ark’s drift that is moving it in front of the asteroid (which is
in turn coming at them at tremendous speed). They are drifting? When did
that start? And Shirley they must have some sort of thrusters. If they move
the thing a mile in any direction, that should do it.

There’s an incredibly stupid commercial about how comic book companies
don’t hire Black people. It doesn’t actually end with anybody saying that’s
wrong or the guy whose story it is getting a job. He just says his mother
was nice about it. WTF?

Close-up of the Ark. Ian is so lucky to be able to watch this in 4K!

The idiot doctor (who slept through somebody stealing all her drugs on the
other side of a curtain) says that she has to do a physical on the guy
whose hand was eaten away by space diamonds because his file was corrupted.
They have six hours to live. And she’s insisting she needs to do physicals.

Hey! They’re finally in the gigantic room where they got the pre-lift off
peptalk! It’s all full of comfy couches where people are sitting and
chatting like they were in a shopping mall before the stores opened.

The odds of being hit by an asteroid just drifting in space are one in
700,326. Because that makes sense.

Actually, the odds of you being hit by an asteroid 4/5 of the way between
Earth and Proxima B are absolutely zero. Also, they got so tired of saying
Proxima B that now they just call it Prox B.

With four hours to go it occurs to them that they have shuttles. Lots and
lots of shuttles, or just a few with unlimited fuel supplies since they
were going to use them to take all 300 people down to the planet. Also,
another shot of the ship from below shows there are domes all over the
place facing in all different directions.

Turns out there’s only one shuttle. The shuttle isn’t berthed, it just
hangs down below from the super structure. Which means you don’t have to
uncouple it from the ark. You can just use the engines as they are. There
would be no possible reason to unattach it, and fly around and look for a
place on the Ark to shove and use it in a way other than it was intended. I
haven’t watched the next segment yet, but I am taking bets.

The shuttle won’t start! It turns out various people have been scavenging
it for parts to fix other systems. And yet it didn’t occur to any of them
that it was actually there. Also, there doesn’t seem to be any way to get
to the shuttle from the Ark in the first place.

The parts are not plug and play which means they’re going to have to
re-calibrate everything even though they’re taking the original parts and
putting them back where they got them in the first place and even though
they’re talking about stuff like fuel hoses.

Plan C is to blow a hole in the hull and let the escaping air pressure push
them out of the way. Because they don’t have airlocks I guess.

Luckily the missing shuttle fuel hose, a standard 1 foot length of
translucent plastic hose available at any auto parts store they have in
Serbia, attaches right underneath the command chair so they don’t have to
build another set. But the shuttle doesn’t start so the pilot tells the
guy who is trying to fix it to stop fixing it because… I have no idea. Nor
do I have any idea why he thought it would start when there’s a guy right
next to him still fixing it in the first place.

The missing power coupler is returned! Why did they think it would start
without that? Luckily it attaches right behind the command chair so they
don’t have to build another set. But the shuttle still won’t start.

Until the pilot kicks it! And it starts! And then it stops again.

In the shower room, where they’re going to blow a hole in the hull because
there aren’t any doors that open to space like airlocks, the worthless
cargo people are having a dance party. The ginger robot beats them up and
gives them three seconds to clean up their mess and get out. Of course,
they just leave without cleaning up any mess because three seconds.

They’ve made a fertilizer bomb out of the people they’ve gotten killed so
far because there are no explosives on the Ark because why would you
possibly need explosives to start a colony on an unknown world? They attach
the bomb to what is clearly not an exterior wall.

KA-BOOM!

They blow a hole! Now that we can see the explosion from the outside, it
comes out from what should have been the floor. But they stuck the bimb on
the wall. Which means they’ve got gravity going at 90° to how it should.
Also, I don’t think I’d have blown a hole in the rotating section.
Certainly not my first choice. And certainly not without calculations, as
to when to set it off!

Hey, the nerdy botanist who built the bomb looks just like Boz in RIPTIDE!
Think he’ll build a robot next?

They decide not to make a ship wide announcement that they’re setting off a
bomb, because that would scare people more than a big kaboom out of
nowhere.

It worked, the asteroid will now miss them by 586 m.

Meanwhile the shuttle pilot has fixed the shuttle and run all the way to
the command deck to tell them he’s ready to use the shuttle to move the
Ark. Because he’s forgotten they have an intercom.

Girl with the glasses, in the nose of the ship, suddenly realizes the
“asteroid“ has a tail. She runs to the bridge to tell them the asteroid has
a tail! Because she’s forgotten they have an intercom.

It’s a comet! And they get entirely wrong why comets have tails. Anyway,
that means it’s made of ice and ice is made of water and therefore the
comet is drinkable. But how can they get the water? They have “miles and
miles” of ship to ship refueling hose aboard! What? Why? There isn’t
another ship. And their engines are nuclear. What the hell were they going
to pump through refueling hose? And why have they been cannibalizing
working systems for hose?

They must match speed and course with the comet! But how? They don’t have
engines! They think about this for a while because they’ve all forgotten
the shuttle. Already.

OMG. Girl with glasses explains that the tiny shuttle can get the ark
moving at the fantastic velocity of the comet because they’re in space. And
I quote:

“Lieutenant Brice is using the shuttle like a booster rocket to accelerate
the Ark up to the comet’s velocity”

“OK but how can something so small get us moving so fast?”

“We’re in space. There’s no gravity, no friction or resistance. Size
doesn’t matter, just force.”

Apparently there’s no mass, either. She goes on to explain further and even
cites the laws of physics. As Bugs Bunny once said “I never studied law“.

anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

>The Ark, S01E03 "Get out and Push"

>"An asteroid is headed for us!"

>No. It's not. By definition it's not. Whatever's out there that's gonna
>smack you right in the face and hopefully kill you all, it's not an
>asteroid. The second word said on this episode is wrong.

I've seen Space 1999. These things just head straight out into the solar
system.

>Ian, that scene from future episodes we keep seeing about the
>lightspeed engines, she's now saying "near lightspeed"

>So they are traveling ridiculously fast in normal space and relativity
>is attached.

>Our reluctant heroes are chatting about their options. The guy who
>shouldn't be captain, but thinks he is, wants to use the solar sails.
>The ginger robot says they're too far from a star. Duh. So he says that
>they should divert the power into the almost light speed engines which
>were shut down from overheating because they had drained the coolant,
>so that makes no sense, and everybody just ignores what he said anyway.
>Suddenly alarms go off, indicating an asteroid is coming at them (it's
>not) And they're all scared and stuff.

>I don't think the writers, and I use that word very loosely, have taken
>into consideration the fact that they are stopped dead. They are a
>light year from the nearest asteroid. And they're an awfully small
>target.

>By the way, I finally got a good look at the whole ship, and all the
>rotating sections are rotating the same way, which means the damn thing
>should be precessing in the opposite direction. Also, the way it's
>turning, last week when the guy got speared by the narwhale, they were
>on the aft section. Which means they got starboard wrong by any
>definition.

Shouldn't the center section be rotating too?

>Oh, yeah, they say that if they don't get the engines back up to near
>lightspeed, they'll miss Proxima B. Why? They're stopped dead in space.
>It's not like Proxima B is much of a moving target. This is like your
>car breaking down in the middle of the Mojave desert and you saying
>that if you don't get back up to 55 miles an hour you're going to miss
>Los Angeles. No, you're not. You might miss a scheduled arrival time
>but you aren't gonna miss the city. Neither of you is going anywhere.

>Oh my God. The ginger robot is asking the only surviving navigator if
>he can find a closer star system for them to go to. There's not going
>to be anything closer than Proxima B. That's why they're going there.
>It's the closest place to go!

They are so far off course, they're in the Delta Quadrant.

>The only one who knows how to fix the engines is the same woman who is
>the only one who knows how to fix the water reclamation unit. Not to
>mention she's the one who broke the engines in the first place.

>Glasses girl gets both god and science wrong.

>It's the Ark's drift that is moving it in front of the asteroid (which
>is in turn coming at them at tremendous speed). They are drifting? When
>did that start? And Shirley they must have some sort of thrusters. If
>they move the thing a mile in any direction, that should do it.

>There's an incredibly stupid commercial about how comic book companies
>don't hire Black people. It doesn't actually end with anybody saying
>that's wrong or the guy whose story it is getting a job. He just says
>his mother was nice about it. WTF?

>Close-up of the Ark. Ian is so lucky to be able to watch this in 4K!

>The idiot doctor (who slept through somebody stealing all her drugs on the
>other side of a curtain) says that she has to do a physical on the guy
>whose hand was eaten away by space diamonds because his file was corrupted.
>They have six hours to live. And she's insisting she needs to do physicals.

They couldn't even pay to have a graphic of the medical file made up. It
was all blurry. Also, I wondered if she were seeing things from all the
drugs she's taken, which should have made her heart stop by now.

>Hey! They're finally in the gigantic room where they got the pre-lift
>off peptalk! It's all full of comfy couches where people are sitting
>and chatting like they were in a shopping mall before the stores
>opened.

In the backstory, I thought that was on the base, not in the ship
itself. I'm confused.

>The odds of being hit by an asteroid just drifting in space are one in
>700,326. Because that makes sense.

>Actually, the odds of you being hit by an asteroid 4/5 of the way between
>Earth and Proxima B are absolutely zero. Also, they got so tired of saying
>Proxima B that now they just call it Prox B.

This was explained in the ship's announcement: "Because the universe is
out to get us."

>With four hours to go it occurs to them that they have shuttles. Lots and
>lots of shuttles, or just a few with unlimited fuel supplies since they
>were going to use them to take all 300 people down to the planet. Also,
>another shot of the ship from below shows there are domes all over the
>place facing in all different directions.

>Turns out there's only one shuttle. The shuttle isn't berthed, it just
>hangs down below from the super structure. Which means you don't have
>to uncouple it from the ark. You can just use the engines as they are.
>There would be no possible reason to unattach it, and fly around and
>look for a place on the Ark to shove and use it in a way other than it
>was intended. I haven't watched the next segment yet, but I am taking
>bets.

Why was the shuttle attached to the structure? Is that because it's
supposed to be used as a maintenance craft for the ship's hull? I don't
see how it's usable in an emergency.

>The shuttle won't start! It turns out various people have been
>scavenging it for parts to fix other systems. And yet it didn't occur
>to any of them that it was actually there. Also, there doesn't seem to
>be any way to get to the shuttle from the Ark in the first place.

Yeah. It looked like you had to take a space walk to get on board. It
made no sense.

>The parts are not plug and play which means they're going to have to
>re-calibrate everything even though they're taking the original parts and
>putting them back where they got them in the first place and even though
>they're talking about stuff like fuel hoses.

That hose sure needed a lot of careful recalibration.

>Plan C is to blow a hole in the hull and let the escaping air pressure push
>them out of the way. Because they don't have airlocks I guess.

Saved the cost of building another set.

>Luckily the missing shuttle fuel hose, a standard 1 foot length of
>translucent plastic hose available at any auto parts store they have in
>Serbia, attaches right underneath the command chair so they don't have to
>build another set. But the shuttle doesn't start so the pilot tells the
>guy who is trying to fix it to stop fixing it because... I have no idea. Nor
>do I have any idea why he thought it would start when there's a guy right
>next to him still fixing it in the first place.

>The missing power coupler is returned! Why did they think it would start
>without that? Luckily it attaches right behind the command chair so they
>don't have to build another set. But the shuttle still won't start.

>Until the pilot kicks it! And it starts! And then it stops again.

Shouldn't that have been a huge hint that there was a loose connection
in the vicinity of where he kicked it?

>In the shower room, where they're going to blow a hole in the hull because
>there aren't any doors that open to space like airlocks, the worthless
>cargo people are having a dance party. The ginger robot beats them up and
>gives them three seconds to clean up their mess and get out. Of course,
>they just leave without cleaning up any mess because three seconds.

>They've made a fertilizer bomb out of the people they've gotten killed so
>far because there are no explosives on the Ark because why would you
>possibly need explosives to start a colony on an unknown world? They attach
>the bomb to what is clearly not an exterior wall.

>KA-BOOM!

Now they won't be able to grow any food and they'll starve. They didn't
even discuss consequences.

>They blow a hole! Now that we can see the explosion from the outside, it
>comes out from what should have been the floor. But they stuck the bimb on
>the wall. Which means they've got gravity going at 90 deg to how it should.
>Also, I don't think I'd have blown a hole in the rotating section.
>Certainly not my first choice. And certainly not without calculations, as
>to when to set it off!

There was an X on the wall. How can that not have been in just the right
spot?

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> The Ark, S01E03 "Get out and Push"
>
>> "An asteroid is headed for us!"
>
>> No. It's not. By definition it's not. Whatever's out there that's gonna
>> smack you right in the face and hopefully kill you all, it's not an
>> asteroid. The second word said on this episode is wrong.
>
> I've seen Space 1999. These things just head straight out into the solar
> system.
>
>> Ian, that scene from future episodes we keep seeing about the
>> lightspeed engines, she's now saying "near lightspeed"
>
>> So they are traveling ridiculously fast in normal space and relativity
>> is attached.
>
>> Our reluctant heroes are chatting about their options. The guy who
>> shouldn't be captain, but thinks he is, wants to use the solar sails.
>> The ginger robot says they're too far from a star. Duh. So he says that
>> they should divert the power into the almost light speed engines which
>> were shut down from overheating because they had drained the coolant,
>> so that makes no sense, and everybody just ignores what he said anyway.
>> Suddenly alarms go off, indicating an asteroid is coming at them (it's
>> not) And they're all scared and stuff.
>
>> I don't think the writers, and I use that word very loosely, have taken
>> into consideration the fact that they are stopped dead. They are a
>> light year from the nearest asteroid. And they're an awfully small
>> target.
>
>> By the way, I finally got a good look at the whole ship, and all the
>> rotating sections are rotating the same way, which means the damn thing
>> should be precessing in the opposite direction. Also, the way it's
>> turning, last week when the guy got speared by the narwhale, they were
>> on the aft section. Which means they got starboard wrong by any
>> definition.
>
> Shouldn't the center section be rotating too?

Probably not, and strongly leaning towards no. Depends on how big it is and
what’s in it. But think of it like you’re on one of those playground Merry
go rounds. At the outer edge you’ve got all the force trying to throw you
off. At the center things are just spinning around you trying to hit you in
the head.

But they’ve tossed the laws of physics so far out the window, who knows? I
don’t even understand why the spinning parts are spinning since they have
galactic South gravity in the parts that aren’t spinning.

>
>> Oh, yeah, they say that if they don't get the engines back up to near
>> lightspeed, they'll miss Proxima B. Why? They're stopped dead in space.
>> It's not like Proxima B is much of a moving target. This is like your
>> car breaking down in the middle of the Mojave desert and you saying
>> that if you don't get back up to 55 miles an hour you're going to miss
>> Los Angeles. No, you're not. You might miss a scheduled arrival time
>> but you aren't gonna miss the city. Neither of you is going anywhere.
>
>> Oh my God. The ginger robot is asking the only surviving navigator if
>> he can find a closer star system for them to go to. There's not going
>> to be anything closer than Proxima B. That's why they're going there.
>> It's the closest place to go!
>
> They are so far off course, they're in the Delta Quadrant.

I’m really hoping Janeway gets them all killed.

Think of their trip as Canada. 2500 miles of country with a city on either
end. They’re thinking if they don’t keep moving they’ll miss the other
side. And hoping maybe there’s a city nobody ever told them about in the
middle where they can stop.

>
>> The only one who knows how to fix the engines is the same woman who is
>> the only one who knows how to fix the water reclamation unit. Not to
>> mention she's the one who broke the engines in the first place.
>
>> Glasses girl gets both god and science wrong.
>
>> It's the Ark's drift that is moving it in front of the asteroid (which
>> is in turn coming at them at tremendous speed). They are drifting? When
>> did that start? And Shirley they must have some sort of thrusters. If
>> they move the thing a mile in any direction, that should do it.
>
>> There's an incredibly stupid commercial about how comic book companies
>> don't hire Black people. It doesn't actually end with anybody saying
>> that's wrong or the guy whose story it is getting a job. He just says
>> his mother was nice about it. WTF?
>
>> Close-up of the Ark. Ian is so lucky to be able to watch this in 4K!
>
>> The idiot doctor (who slept through somebody stealing all her drugs on the
>> other side of a curtain) says that she has to do a physical on the guy
>> whose hand was eaten away by space diamonds because his file was corrupted.
>> They have six hours to live. And she's insisting she needs to do physicals.
>
> They couldn't even pay to have a graphic of the medical file made up. It
> was all blurry. Also, I wondered if she were seeing things from all the
> drugs she's taken, which should have made her heart stop by now.
>

Hopefully that’s the first drug she’s taken although frankly, I’m wondering
if she’s the one who stole them in the first place.

>> Hey! They're finally in the gigantic room where they got the pre-lift
>> off peptalk! It's all full of comfy couches where people are sitting
>> and chatting like they were in a shopping mall before the stores
>> opened.
>
> In the backstory, I thought that was on the base, not in the ship
> itself. I'm confused.

I thought that was the base at first as well but the woman who gave the
speechifying said something about “you’ll be traveling on this here ship.
We are standing on right this moment“

So now, I’m wondering why we didn’t see it in present time in the first two
episodes. I thought sure it must’ve taken a hit. But they just didn’t use
it even though they had it.

>
>> The odds of being hit by an asteroid just drifting in space are one in
>> 700,326. Because that makes sense.
>
>> Actually, the odds of you being hit by an asteroid 4/5 of the way between
>> Earth and Proxima B are absolutely zero. Also, they got so tired of saying
>> Proxima B that now they just call it Prox B.
>
> This was explained in the ship's announcement: "Because the universe is
> out to get us."

And I am right there with the universe.

See, the point is, there aren’t any asteroids outside soul system. There
may be hunks of rock, but they aren’t by definition asteroids. Part of the
definition of “asteroid“ is that it’s in the system!

>
>> With four hours to go it occurs to them that they have shuttles. Lots and
>> lots of shuttles, or just a few with unlimited fuel supplies since they
>> were going to use them to take all 300 people down to the planet. Also,
>> another shot of the ship from below shows there are domes all over the
>> place facing in all different directions.
>
>> Turns out there's only one shuttle. The shuttle isn't berthed, it just
>> hangs down below from the super structure. Which means you don't have
>> to uncouple it from the ark. You can just use the engines as they are.
>> There would be no possible reason to unattach it, and fly around and
>> look for a place on the Ark to shove and use it in a way other than it
>> was intended. I haven't watched the next segment yet, but I am taking
>> bets.
>
> Why was the shuttle attached to the structure? Is that because it's
> supposed to be used as a maintenance craft for the ship's hull? I don't
> see how it's usable in an emergency.

The purpose of the shuttle is to take all 300 people down to the planet,
leaving just a skeleton crew on the Ark in orbit. That’s why I assumed
there would be more than one. That stupid little thing is going to take all
the people and all the equipment down to the planet.

So they leave it sticking out where it’s completely vulnerable instead of
at least sticking a wall in front of it.

>
>> The shuttle won't start! It turns out various people have been
>> scavenging it for parts to fix other systems. And yet it didn't occur
>> to any of them that it was actually there. Also, there doesn't seem to
>> be any way to get to the shuttle from the Ark in the first place.
>
> Yeah. It looked like you had to take a space walk to get on board. It
> made no sense.

Later shots made it look like maybe there was an umbilical. You could get
to it through. But every piece of equipment on the arc must break down
pretty small.

On 2023-02-17 00:31:54 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> The Ark, S01E03 "Get out and Push"
>
>> "An asteroid is headed for us!"
>
>> No. It's not. By definition it's not. Whatever's out there that's gonna
>> smack you right in the face and hopefully kill you all, it's not an
>> asteroid. The second word said on this episode is wrong.
>
> I've seen Space 1999. These things just head straight out into the solar
> system.

Come on, Adam - Anim started a separate dedicated thread for this.
Please post there.

--
"Who would ever do this to him!?" - HottCiara on DOOL (04-27-2020), asking
who would stab Victor Kirakis... How about ANYONE WHO'S EVER MET HIM??!!

Ian J. Ball <IJBall@mac.invalid> wrote:
>On 2023-02-17 00:31:54 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:
>>anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

>>>The Ark, S01E03 "Get out and Push"

>>>"An asteroid is headed for us!"

>>>No. It's not. By definition it's not. Whatever's out there that's gonna
>>>smack you right in the face and hopefully kill you all, it's not an
>>>asteroid. The second word said on this episode is wrong.

>>I've seen Space 1999. These things just head straight out into the solar
>>system.

>Come on, Adam - Anim started a separate dedicated thread for this.
>Please post there.

I saw this followup first. anim did change Subject.

On 2023-02-17 03:30:06 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Ian J. Ball <IJBall@mac.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-02-17 00:31:54 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:
>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>> The Ark, S01E03 "Get out and Push"
>
>>>> "An asteroid is headed for us!"
>
>>>> No. It's not. By definition it's not. Whatever's out there that's gonna
>>>> smack you right in the face and hopefully kill you all, it's not an
>>>> asteroid. The second word said on this episode is wrong.
>
>>> I've seen Space 1999. These things just head straight out into the solar
>>> system.
>
>> Come on, Adam - Anim started a separate dedicated thread for this.
>> Please post there.
>
> I saw this followup first. anim did change Subject.

It's still better to post in the dedicated thread - many newsreaders
like mine will bury a followup title-change like this one.

Just copy-and-paste to the dedicated thread...

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 18:32:04 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>I’m really hoping Janeway gets them all killed.

Isn't that what happens when the series ends? Apparently not since we
hear later Janeway got them home and gets a promotion for her efforts.

>Think of their trip as Canada. 2500 miles of country with a city on either
>end. They’re thinking if they don’t keep moving they’ll miss the other
>side. And hoping maybe there’s a city nobody ever told them about in the
>middle where they can stop.

I've got news for you - 2500 miles doesn't even get you from Vancouver
to Toronto much less to the east coast. 1/2 way yes (Vancouver -> St
Johns NF is 4600+ miles) but barely.

That's why Canada has two time zones east of Eastern Standard time.
(Of course AK and HI have their own time zones but they're not part of
the continental US)

>
>>
>>> The only one who knows how to fix the engines is the same woman who is
>>> the only one who knows how to fix the water reclamation unit. Not to
>>> mention she's the one who broke the engines in the first place.
>>
>>> Glasses girl gets both god and science wrong.
>>
>>> It's the Ark's drift that is moving it in front of the asteroid (which
>>> is in turn coming at them at tremendous speed). They are drifting? When
>>> did that start? And Shirley they must have some sort of thrusters. If
>>> they move the thing a mile in any direction, that should do it.
>>
>>> There's an incredibly stupid commercial about how comic book companies
>>> don't hire Black people. It doesn't actually end with anybody saying
>>> that's wrong or the guy whose story it is getting a job. He just says
>>> his mother was nice about it. WTF?
>>
>>> Close-up of the Ark. Ian is so lucky to be able to watch this in 4K!
>>
>>> The idiot doctor (who slept through somebody stealing all her drugs on the
>>> other side of a curtain) says that she has to do a physical on the guy
>>> whose hand was eaten away by space diamonds because his file was corrupted.
>>> They have six hours to live. And she's insisting she needs to do physicals.
>>
>> They couldn't even pay to have a graphic of the medical file made up. It
>> was all blurry. Also, I wondered if she were seeing things from all the
>> drugs she's taken, which should have made her heart stop by now.
>>
>
>Hopefully that’s the first drug she’s taken although frankly, I’m wondering
>if she’s the one who stole them in the first place.
>
>
>>> Hey! They're finally in the gigantic room where they got the pre-lift
>>> off peptalk! It's all full of comfy couches where people are sitting
>>> and chatting like they were in a shopping mall before the stores
>>> opened.
>>
>> In the backstory, I thought that was on the base, not in the ship
>> itself. I'm confused.
>
>I thought that was the base at first as well but the woman who gave the
>speechifying said something about “you’ll be traveling on this here ship.
>We are standing on right this moment“
>
>So now, I’m wondering why we didn’t see it in present time in the first two
>episodes. I thought sure it must’ve taken a hit. But they just didn’t use
>it even though they had it.
>
>
>>
>>> The odds of being hit by an asteroid just drifting in space are one in
>>> 700,326. Because that makes sense.
>>
>>> Actually, the odds of you being hit by an asteroid 4/5 of the way between
>>> Earth and Proxima B are absolutely zero. Also, they got so tired of saying
>>> Proxima B that now they just call it Prox B.
>>
>> This was explained in the ship's announcement: "Because the universe is
>> out to get us."
>
>And I am right there with the universe.
>
>See, the point is, there aren’t any asteroids outside soul system. There
>may be hunks of rock, but they aren’t by definition asteroids. Part of the
>definition of “asteroid“ is that it’s in the system!
>
>>
>>> With four hours to go it occurs to them that they have shuttles. Lots and
>>> lots of shuttles, or just a few with unlimited fuel supplies since they
>>> were going to use them to take all 300 people down to the planet. Also,
>>> another shot of the ship from below shows there are domes all over the
>>> place facing in all different directions.
>>
>>> Turns out there's only one shuttle. The shuttle isn't berthed, it just
>>> hangs down below from the super structure. Which means you don't have
>>> to uncouple it from the ark. You can just use the engines as they are.
>>> There would be no possible reason to unattach it, and fly around and
>>> look for a place on the Ark to shove and use it in a way other than it
>>> was intended. I haven't watched the next segment yet, but I am taking
>>> bets.
>>
>> Why was the shuttle attached to the structure? Is that because it's
>> supposed to be used as a maintenance craft for the ship's hull? I don't
>> see how it's usable in an emergency.
>
>The purpose of the shuttle is to take all 300 people down to the planet,
>leaving just a skeleton crew on the Ark in orbit. That’s why I assumed
>there would be more than one. That stupid little thing is going to take all
>the people and all the equipment down to the planet.
>
>So they leave it sticking out where it’s completely vulnerable instead of
>at least sticking a wall in front of it.
>
>
>>
>>> The shuttle won't start! It turns out various people have been
>>> scavenging it for parts to fix other systems. And yet it didn't occur
>>> to any of them that it was actually there. Also, there doesn't seem to
>>> be any way to get to the shuttle from the Ark in the first place.
>>
>> Yeah. It looked like you had to take a space walk to get on board. It
>> made no sense.
>
>Later shots made it look like maybe there was an umbilical. You could get
>to it through. But every piece of equipment on the arc must break down
>pretty small.
>
>
>>
>>> The parts are not plug and play which means they're going to have to
>>> re-calibrate everything even though they're taking the original parts and
>>> putting them back where they got them in the first place and even though
>>> they're talking about stuff like fuel hoses.
>>
>> That hose sure needed a lot of careful recalibration.
>
>He said he put silicone sealant on it? He didn’t even put a clamp on it!
>Just a piece of hose right by your foot, that the entire fuel supply for
>the shuttle runs through.
>
>I’ve only seen a stupider set up once, and it was on Tales of the Gold
>Monkey. There was a little fuel gauge next to the pilot, and he realized
>it was stuck so he flicked it with his finger, and it instantly emptied
>out, and the engines stopped in mid air. He proclaimed that all the fuel
>they had left was what had been in the gauge.
>
>What the hell? They had 1 ounce of fuel left and they’ve been flying on it
>for hours? If he hadn’t flicked it, could they have gone on flying
>indefinitely?
>
>I swear that’s the live action equivalent of Wiley coyote walking on air
>until he looks down and realizes he’s thousands of feet above the canyon
>floor.
>
>
>>
>>> Plan C is to blow a hole in the hull and let the escaping air pressure push
>>> them out of the way. Because they don't have airlocks I guess.
>>
>> Saved the cost of building another set.
>
>But they have the airlock sets already!
>
>
>>
>>> Luckily the missing shuttle fuel hose, a standard 1 foot length of
>>> translucent plastic hose available at any auto parts store they have in
>>> Serbia, attaches right underneath the command chair so they don't have to
>>> build another set. But the shuttle doesn't start so the pilot tells the
>>> guy who is trying to fix it to stop fixing it because... I have no idea. Nor
>>> do I have any idea why he thought it would start when there's a guy right
>>> next to him still fixing it in the first place.
>>
>>> The missing power coupler is returned! Why did they think it would start
>>> without that? Luckily it attaches right behind the command chair so they
>>> don't have to build another set. But the shuttle still won't start.
>>
>>> Until the pilot kicks it! And it starts! And then it stops again.
>>
>> Shouldn't that have been a huge hint that there was a loose connection
>> in the vicinity of where he kicked it?
>
>Well, he did somehow fix it…
>
>
>>
>>> In the shower room, where they're going to blow a hole in the hull because
>>> there aren't any doors that open to space like airlocks, the worthless
>>> cargo people are having a dance party. The ginger robot beats them up and
>>> gives them three seconds to clean up their mess and get out. Of course,
>>> they just leave without cleaning up any mess because three seconds.
>>
>>> They've made a fertilizer bomb out of the people they've gotten killed so
>>> far because there are no explosives on the Ark because why would you
>>> possibly need explosives to start a colony on an unknown world? They attach
>>> the bomb to what is clearly not an exterior wall.
>>
>>> KA-BOOM!
>>
>> Now they won't be able to grow any food and they'll starve. They didn't
>> even discuss consequences.
>
>Well, they lost their entire ability to grow food when they stuck that one
>foot long hose back in the shuttle.
>
>
>>
>>> They blow a hole! Now that we can see the explosion from the outside, it
>>> comes out from what should have been the floor. But they stuck the bimb on
>>> the wall. Which means they've got gravity going at 90 deg to how it should.
>>> Also, I don't think I'd have blown a hole in the rotating section.
>>> Certainly not my first choice. And certainly not without calculations, as
>>> to when to set it off!
>>
>> There was an X on the wall. How can that not have been in just the right
>> spot?
>
>Oh, no! The idiot has blown up the pirate treasure!
>
>
>>
>>> Hey, the nerdy botanist who built the bomb looks just like Boz in RIPTIDE!
>>> Think he'll build a robot next?
>>
>>> They decide not to make a ship wide announcement that they're setting off a
>>> bomb, because that would scare people more than a big kaboom out of
>>> nowhere.
>>
>>> It worked, the asteroid will now miss them by 586 m.
>>
>>> Meanwhile the shuttle pilot has fixed the shuttle and run all the way to
>>> the command deck to tell them he's ready to use the shuttle to move the
>>> Ark. Because he's forgotten they have an intercom.
>>
>>> Girl with the glasses, in the nose of the ship, suddenly realizes the
>>> "asteroid" has a tail. She runs to the bridge to tell them the asteroid has
>>> a tail! Because she's forgotten they have an intercom.
>>
>> Boy was that dramatic.
>
>At least when Alison Brie runs in slow motion it’s hot.
>
>Hey, if Alison Brie married Brie Larson, would she be Allison Larson?
>
>>
>>> It's a comet! And they get entirely wrong why comets have tails. Anyway,
>>> that means it's made of ice and ice is made of water and therefore the
>>> comet is drinkable. But how can they get the water? They have "miles and
>>> miles" of ship to ship refueling hose aboard! What? Why? There isn't
>>> another ship. And their engines are nuclear. What the hell were they going
>>> to pump through refueling hose? And why have they been cannibalizing
>>> working systems for hose?
>>
>> Aren't those hoses full of fuel?
>
>I’m sure they clean them out by running lots of extra water through them
>
>
>>
>> I was confused as to why the water just flowed. It was pressurized. I
>> wanted it to come out as ice cubes.
>
>I thought way too long and hard about this. He can’t have a heating device
>because if he heated the surface, his little landing leg clamps wouldn’t
>have anything to hang onto.
>
>No, what he did was drill into the asteroid/comet, which was ice on the
>outside, but liquid water on the inside. And then he sucked out the chewy
>liquid center and pumped it back to the Ark. because there’s a transfer
>pump system already built into that stupid little shuttle. Just for an
>occasion such as this.
>
>That’s about the point I fell into complete despair.
>
>
>>
>>> They must match speed and course with the comet! But how? They don't have
>>> engines! They think about this for a while because they've all forgotten
>>> the shuttle. Already.
>>
>>> OMG. Girl with glasses explains that the tiny shuttle can get the ark
>>> moving at the fantastic velocity of the comet because they're in space. And
>>> I quote:
>>
>>> "Lieutenant Brice is using the shuttle like a booster rocket to accelerate
>>> the Ark up to the comet's velocity"
>>
>>> "OK but how can something so small get us moving so fast?"
>>
>>> "We're in space. There's no gravity, no friction or resistance. Size
>>> doesn't matter, just force."
>>
>>> Apparently there's no mass, either. She goes on to explain further and even
>>> cites the laws of physics. As Bugs Bunny once said "I never studied law".
>>
>> Heh
>>
>>> The accelerating shuttle can only bring the ark up to 87% of the comet's
>>> incredible velocity. But that should be enough for the miles and miles of
>>> fueling hose to hook them together and drag the Ark up the rest of the way.
>>
>>> Oh my God. My eyes and ears are starting to bleed.
>>
>> 87% of the speed of the comet explains why they could only fill up the
>> water tank 90%.
>>
>
>Oh God. I wish you hadn’t said that. Because you might be right.
>
>Also, won’t they just hemorrhage the water out into space through the hole
>in the shower floor/wall?
>
>
>>> When Bryce detached the shuttle from the ark, he accidentally pushed the
>>> Ark the other way, and now the incredible strain will tear the shuttle
>>> apart! But in the meantime, they are pumping water. I have no idea where
>>> they're getting water from because, you know, comet made of ice.
>>
>>> Also, the other end of the fueling hose in the ark is just open to the
>>> compartment the people are in and pouring water that's splashing on them
>>> because it's moving water so it must be safe to drink.
>>
>> How many times do we have to go through this on Usenet? Water that flows
>> is safe to drink. I'll ask clouddreamer to explain it to you.
>
>And why doesn’t the chewy liquid water center of the comet freeze instantly
>when it’s pumped to the surface anyway?
>
>Also, if they’re at 97% capacity I bet the miles and miles and miles of
>hose full of water is enough to top it off anyway.
>
>
>>
>>> There's a lot of drama as the people on the ark think 97% of water capacity
>>> is OK but Brice holds out for 100! Then he starts the engines while he's
>>> facing the wrong way but they don't actually do anything until he turns
>>> around. And the asteroid, I mean comet hurdles away from the Ark, even
>>> though they had matched speed and velocity, because... Oh, hell I give up.
>>
>>> They all just start drinking the water. No reason to test it.
>>
>>> Ginger robot slinks away. Hot blonde finally shows up. She throws off her
>>> clothes and has another non-naked shower scene, this time with water.
>>
>>> But why did Ginger robot slink away? Oh, I bet she'd shoot off sparks and
>>> explode if she drank water.
>>
>>> They recover some of the stolen drugs, which were apparently being used in
>>> the shower party. Now the overtired only doctor left alive on board can
>>> have a drug problem!
>>
>> You didn't see that coming.
>
>I seriously didn’t. I don’t think she mentioned stimulants.
>
>
>>
>>> Hot blonde wears a wig to cover that her head is all one big burn from
>>> getting caught in a UV storm a few years ago. Luckily it didn't affect any
>>> part of her that's not covered by a wig.
>>
>> I thought it was a fire or cancer. That makes no sense at all.
>>
>
>Nope. And how did she pass the preflight physical anyway?
>
>
>>> We find out there is a rule that no existing couples could be on the same
>>> ark because genetic diversity. Because that makes sense.
>>
>> Hey! They said in dialogue that it made no sense. Clearly there was some
>> evil fertility doctor using his own seed to create all those babies.
>>
>
>Ripped from the headlines of law & order! At least twice!
>
>The worst part is they apparently think if there aren’t any pre-existing
>couples on the Ark, nobody will hook up. Isn’t filling the ark with single
>people more, not less, likely to promote hook ups? I would actually go for
>that explanation!
>
>
>>> With five minutes to go, Cox cable locks up.
>>
>>> During the lock up, the guy who wants to be, but shouldn't be captain got a
>>> secret video from the guy who was murdered in the first episode. It shows
>>> the ginger robot killed a guy in a bar who was trying to rape her. That's
>>> the big secret? Who cares?
>>
>> Did you see the way she fought him? I'm buying your robot theory.
>>
>
>Yes. Now we have to watch to see if she ever eats or drinks or showers.
>
>
>>> Next week nobody mentions almost lightspeed engines. And apparently they've
>>> completely forgotten that they are now going the wrong direction at the
>>> incredible velocity of the comet.
>>

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 18:32:04 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I’m really hoping Janeway gets them all killed.
>
> Isn't that what happens when the series ends? Apparently not since we
> hear later Janeway got them home and gets a promotion for her efforts.
>

Janeway got (at least) everybody in the alpha quadrant killed. The people
that promoted her are all alternate versions.

>> Think of their trip as Canada. 2500 miles of country with a city on either
>> end. They’re thinking if they don’t keep moving they’ll miss the other
>> side. And hoping maybe there’s a city nobody ever told them about in the
>> middle where they can stop.
>
> I've got news for you - 2500 miles doesn't even get you from Vancouver
> to Toronto much less to the east coast. 1/2 way yes (Vancouver -> St
> Johns NF is 4600+ miles) but barely.

Well, they are stuck halfway. :-)

>
> That's why Canada has two time zones east of Eastern Standard time.
> (Of course AK and HI have their own time zones but they're not part of
> the continental US)
>
>>
>>>
>>>> The only one who knows how to fix the engines is the same woman who is
>>>> the only one who knows how to fix the water reclamation unit. Not to
>>>> mention she's the one who broke the engines in the first place.
>>>
>>>> Glasses girl gets both god and science wrong.
>>>
>>>> It's the Ark's drift that is moving it in front of the asteroid (which
>>>> is in turn coming at them at tremendous speed). They are drifting? When
>>>> did that start? And Shirley they must have some sort of thrusters. If
>>>> they move the thing a mile in any direction, that should do it.
>>>
>>>> There's an incredibly stupid commercial about how comic book companies
>>>> don't hire Black people. It doesn't actually end with anybody saying
>>>> that's wrong or the guy whose story it is getting a job. He just says
>>>> his mother was nice about it. WTF?
>>>
>>>> Close-up of the Ark. Ian is so lucky to be able to watch this in 4K!
>>>
>>>> The idiot doctor (who slept through somebody stealing all her drugs on the
>>>> other side of a curtain) says that she has to do a physical on the guy
>>>> whose hand was eaten away by space diamonds because his file was corrupted.
>>>> They have six hours to live. And she's insisting she needs to do physicals.
>>>
>>> They couldn't even pay to have a graphic of the medical file made up. It
>>> was all blurry. Also, I wondered if she were seeing things from all the
>>> drugs she's taken, which should have made her heart stop by now.
>>>
>>
>> Hopefully that’s the first drug she’s taken although frankly, I’m wondering
>> if she’s the one who stole them in the first place.
>>
>>
>>>> Hey! They're finally in the gigantic room where they got the pre-lift
>>>> off peptalk! It's all full of comfy couches where people are sitting
>>>> and chatting like they were in a shopping mall before the stores
>>>> opened.
>>>
>>> In the backstory, I thought that was on the base, not in the ship
>>> itself. I'm confused.
>>
>> I thought that was the base at first as well but the woman who gave the
>> speechifying said something about “you’ll be traveling on this here ship.
>> We are standing on right this moment“
>>
>> So now, I’m wondering why we didn’t see it in present time in the first two
>> episodes. I thought sure it must’ve taken a hit. But they just didn’t use
>> it even though they had it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> The odds of being hit by an asteroid just drifting in space are one in
>>>> 700,326. Because that makes sense.
>>>
>>>> Actually, the odds of you being hit by an asteroid 4/5 of the way between
>>>> Earth and Proxima B are absolutely zero. Also, they got so tired of saying
>>>> Proxima B that now they just call it Prox B.
>>>
>>> This was explained in the ship's announcement: "Because the universe is
>>> out to get us."
>>
>> And I am right there with the universe.
>>
>> See, the point is, there aren’t any asteroids outside soul system. There
>> may be hunks of rock, but they aren’t by definition asteroids. Part of the
>> definition of “asteroid“ is that it’s in the system!
>>
>>>
>>>> With four hours to go it occurs to them that they have shuttles. Lots and
>>>> lots of shuttles, or just a few with unlimited fuel supplies since they
>>>> were going to use them to take all 300 people down to the planet. Also,
>>>> another shot of the ship from below shows there are domes all over the
>>>> place facing in all different directions.
>>>
>>>> Turns out there's only one shuttle. The shuttle isn't berthed, it just
>>>> hangs down below from the super structure. Which means you don't have
>>>> to uncouple it from the ark. You can just use the engines as they are.
>>>> There would be no possible reason to unattach it, and fly around and
>>>> look for a place on the Ark to shove and use it in a way other than it
>>>> was intended. I haven't watched the next segment yet, but I am taking
>>>> bets.
>>>
>>> Why was the shuttle attached to the structure? Is that because it's
>>> supposed to be used as a maintenance craft for the ship's hull? I don't
>>> see how it's usable in an emergency.
>>
>> The purpose of the shuttle is to take all 300 people down to the planet,
>> leaving just a skeleton crew on the Ark in orbit. That’s why I assumed
>> there would be more than one. That stupid little thing is going to take all
>> the people and all the equipment down to the planet.
>>
>> So they leave it sticking out where it’s completely vulnerable instead of
>> at least sticking a wall in front of it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> The shuttle won't start! It turns out various people have been
>>>> scavenging it for parts to fix other systems. And yet it didn't occur
>>>> to any of them that it was actually there. Also, there doesn't seem to
>>>> be any way to get to the shuttle from the Ark in the first place.
>>>
>>> Yeah. It looked like you had to take a space walk to get on board. It
>>> made no sense.
>>
>> Later shots made it look like maybe there was an umbilical. You could get
>> to it through. But every piece of equipment on the arc must break down
>> pretty small.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> The parts are not plug and play which means they're going to have to
>>>> re-calibrate everything even though they're taking the original parts and
>>>> putting them back where they got them in the first place and even though
>>>> they're talking about stuff like fuel hoses.
>>>
>>> That hose sure needed a lot of careful recalibration.
>>
>> He said he put silicone sealant on it? He didn’t even put a clamp on it!
>> Just a piece of hose right by your foot, that the entire fuel supply for
>> the shuttle runs through.
>>
>> I’ve only seen a stupider set up once, and it was on Tales of the Gold
>> Monkey. There was a little fuel gauge next to the pilot, and he realized
>> it was stuck so he flicked it with his finger, and it instantly emptied
>> out, and the engines stopped in mid air. He proclaimed that all the fuel
>> they had left was what had been in the gauge.
>>
>> What the hell? They had 1 ounce of fuel left and they’ve been flying on it
>> for hours? If he hadn’t flicked it, could they have gone on flying
>> indefinitely?
>>
>> I swear that’s the live action equivalent of Wiley coyote walking on air
>> until he looks down and realizes he’s thousands of feet above the canyon
>> floor.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Plan C is to blow a hole in the hull and let the escaping air pressure push
>>>> them out of the way. Because they don't have airlocks I guess.
>>>
>>> Saved the cost of building another set.
>>
>> But they have the airlock sets already!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Luckily the missing shuttle fuel hose, a standard 1 foot length of
>>>> translucent plastic hose available at any auto parts store they have in
>>>> Serbia, attaches right underneath the command chair so they don't have to
>>>> build another set. But the shuttle doesn't start so the pilot tells the
>>>> guy who is trying to fix it to stop fixing it because... I have no idea. Nor
>>>> do I have any idea why he thought it would start when there's a guy right
>>>> next to him still fixing it in the first place.
>>>
>>>> The missing power coupler is returned! Why did they think it would start
>>>> without that? Luckily it attaches right behind the command chair so they
>>>> don't have to build another set. But the shuttle still won't start.
>>>
>>>> Until the pilot kicks it! And it starts! And then it stops again.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't that have been a huge hint that there was a loose connection
>>> in the vicinity of where he kicked it?
>>
>> Well, he did somehow fix it…
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> In the shower room, where they're going to blow a hole in the hull because
>>>> there aren't any doors that open to space like airlocks, the worthless
>>>> cargo people are having a dance party. The ginger robot beats them up and
>>>> gives them three seconds to clean up their mess and get out. Of course,
>>>> they just leave without cleaning up any mess because three seconds.
>>>
>>>> They've made a fertilizer bomb out of the people they've gotten killed so
>>>> far because there are no explosives on the Ark because why would you
>>>> possibly need explosives to start a colony on an unknown world? They attach
>>>> the bomb to what is clearly not an exterior wall.
>>>
>>>> KA-BOOM!
>>>
>>> Now they won't be able to grow any food and they'll starve. They didn't
>>> even discuss consequences.
>>
>> Well, they lost their entire ability to grow food when they stuck that one
>> foot long hose back in the shuttle.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> They blow a hole! Now that we can see the explosion from the outside, it
>>>> comes out from what should have been the floor. But they stuck the bimb on
>>>> the wall. Which means they've got gravity going at 90 deg to how it should.
>>>> Also, I don't think I'd have blown a hole in the rotating section.
>>>> Certainly not my first choice. And certainly not without calculations, as
>>>> to when to set it off!
>>>
>>> There was an X on the wall. How can that not have been in just the right
>>> spot?
>>
>> Oh, no! The idiot has blown up the pirate treasure!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Hey, the nerdy botanist who built the bomb looks just like Boz in RIPTIDE!
>>>> Think he'll build a robot next?
>>>
>>>> They decide not to make a ship wide announcement that they're setting off a
>>>> bomb, because that would scare people more than a big kaboom out of
>>>> nowhere.
>>>
>>>> It worked, the asteroid will now miss them by 586 m.
>>>
>>>> Meanwhile the shuttle pilot has fixed the shuttle and run all the way to
>>>> the command deck to tell them he's ready to use the shuttle to move the
>>>> Ark. Because he's forgotten they have an intercom.
>>>
>>>> Girl with the glasses, in the nose of the ship, suddenly realizes the
>>>> "asteroid" has a tail. She runs to the bridge to tell them the asteroid has
>>>> a tail! Because she's forgotten they have an intercom.
>>>
>>> Boy was that dramatic.
>>
>> At least when Alison Brie runs in slow motion it’s hot.
>>
>> Hey, if Alison Brie married Brie Larson, would she be Allison Larson?
>>
>>>
>>>> It's a comet! And they get entirely wrong why comets have tails. Anyway,
>>>> that means it's made of ice and ice is made of water and therefore the
>>>> comet is drinkable. But how can they get the water? They have "miles and
>>>> miles" of ship to ship refueling hose aboard! What? Why? There isn't
>>>> another ship. And their engines are nuclear. What the hell were they going
>>>> to pump through refueling hose? And why have they been cannibalizing
>>>> working systems for hose?
>>>
>>> Aren't those hoses full of fuel?
>>
>> I’m sure they clean them out by running lots of extra water through them
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I was confused as to why the water just flowed. It was pressurized. I
>>> wanted it to come out as ice cubes.
>>
>> I thought way too long and hard about this. He can’t have a heating device
>> because if he heated the surface, his little landing leg clamps wouldn’t
>> have anything to hang onto.
>>
>> No, what he did was drill into the asteroid/comet, which was ice on the
>> outside, but liquid water on the inside. And then he sucked out the chewy
>> liquid center and pumped it back to the Ark. because there’s a transfer
>> pump system already built into that stupid little shuttle. Just for an
>> occasion such as this.
>>
>> That’s about the point I fell into complete despair.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> They must match speed and course with the comet! But how? They don't have
>>>> engines! They think about this for a while because they've all forgotten
>>>> the shuttle. Already.
>>>
>>>> OMG. Girl with glasses explains that the tiny shuttle can get the ark
>>>> moving at the fantastic velocity of the comet because they're in space. And
>>>> I quote:
>>>
>>>> "Lieutenant Brice is using the shuttle like a booster rocket to accelerate
>>>> the Ark up to the comet's velocity"
>>>
>>>> "OK but how can something so small get us moving so fast?"
>>>
>>>> "We're in space. There's no gravity, no friction or resistance. Size
>>>> doesn't matter, just force."
>>>
>>>> Apparently there's no mass, either. She goes on to explain further and even
>>>> cites the laws of physics. As Bugs Bunny once said "I never studied law".
>>>
>>> Heh
>>>
>>>> The accelerating shuttle can only bring the ark up to 87% of the comet's
>>>> incredible velocity. But that should be enough for the miles and miles of
>>>> fueling hose to hook them together and drag the Ark up the rest of the way.
>>>
>>>> Oh my God. My eyes and ears are starting to bleed.
>>>
>>> 87% of the speed of the comet explains why they could only fill up the
>>> water tank 90%.
>>>
>>
>> Oh God. I wish you hadn’t said that. Because you might be right.
>>
>> Also, won’t they just hemorrhage the water out into space through the hole
>> in the shower floor/wall?
>>
>>
>>>> When Bryce detached the shuttle from the ark, he accidentally pushed the
>>>> Ark the other way, and now the incredible strain will tear the shuttle
>>>> apart! But in the meantime, they are pumping water. I have no idea where
>>>> they're getting water from because, you know, comet made of ice.
>>>
>>>> Also, the other end of the fueling hose in the ark is just open to the
>>>> compartment the people are in and pouring water that's splashing on them
>>>> because it's moving water so it must be safe to drink.
>>>
>>> How many times do we have to go through this on Usenet? Water that flows
>>> is safe to drink. I'll ask clouddreamer to explain it to you.
>>
>> And why doesn’t the chewy liquid water center of the comet freeze instantly
>> when it’s pumped to the surface anyway?
>>
>> Also, if they’re at 97% capacity I bet the miles and miles and miles of
>> hose full of water is enough to top it off anyway.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> There's a lot of drama as the people on the ark think 97% of water capacity
>>>> is OK but Brice holds out for 100! Then he starts the engines while he's
>>>> facing the wrong way but they don't actually do anything until he turns
>>>> around. And the asteroid, I mean comet hurdles away from the Ark, even
>>>> though they had matched speed and velocity, because... Oh, hell I give up.
>>>
>>>> They all just start drinking the water. No reason to test it.
>>>
>>>> Ginger robot slinks away. Hot blonde finally shows up. She throws off her
>>>> clothes and has another non-naked shower scene, this time with water.
>>>
>>>> But why did Ginger robot slink away? Oh, I bet she'd shoot off sparks and
>>>> explode if she drank water.
>>>
>>>> They recover some of the stolen drugs, which were apparently being used in
>>>> the shower party. Now the overtired only doctor left alive on board can
>>>> have a drug problem!
>>>
>>> You didn't see that coming.
>>
>> I seriously didn’t. I don’t think she mentioned stimulants.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Hot blonde wears a wig to cover that her head is all one big burn from
>>>> getting caught in a UV storm a few years ago. Luckily it didn't affect any
>>>> part of her that's not covered by a wig.
>>>
>>> I thought it was a fire or cancer. That makes no sense at all.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. And how did she pass the preflight physical anyway?
>>
>>
>>>> We find out there is a rule that no existing couples could be on the same
>>>> ark because genetic diversity. Because that makes sense.
>>>
>>> Hey! They said in dialogue that it made no sense. Clearly there was some
>>> evil fertility doctor using his own seed to create all those babies.
>>>
>>
>> Ripped from the headlines of law & order! At least twice!
>>
>> The worst part is they apparently think if there aren’t any pre-existing
>> couples on the Ark, nobody will hook up. Isn’t filling the ark with single
>> people more, not less, likely to promote hook ups? I would actually go for
>> that explanation!
>>
>>
>>>> With five minutes to go, Cox cable locks up.
>>>
>>>> During the lock up, the guy who wants to be, but shouldn't be captain got a
>>>> secret video from the guy who was murdered in the first episode. It shows
>>>> the ginger robot killed a guy in a bar who was trying to rape her. That's
>>>> the big secret? Who cares?
>>>
>>> Did you see the way she fought him? I'm buying your robot theory.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. Now we have to watch to see if she ever eats or drinks or showers.
>>
>>
>>>> Next week nobody mentions almost lightspeed engines. And apparently they've
>>>> completely forgotten that they are now going the wrong direction at the
>>>> incredible velocity of the comet.
>>>
>

On 2/17/2023 11:48 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 18:32:04 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I’m really hoping Janeway gets them all killed.
>
> Isn't that what happens when the series ends? Apparently not since we
> hear later Janeway got them home and gets a promotion for her efforts.
>
>> Think of their trip as Canada. 2500 miles of country with a city on either
>> end. They’re thinking if they don’t keep moving they’ll miss the other
>> side. And hoping maybe there’s a city nobody ever told them about in the
>> middle where they can stop.
>
> I've got news for you - 2500 miles doesn't even get you from Vancouver
> to Toronto much less to the east coast. 1/2 way yes (Vancouver -> St
> Johns NF is 4600+ miles) but barely.
>
> That's why Canada has two time zones east of Eastern Standard time.
> (Of course AK and HI have their own time zones but they're not part of
> the continental US)
>
No, Alaska is part of the _continental_ US but not part of the
_contiguous_ US.

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I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:50:02 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>> That's why Canada has two time zones east of Eastern Standard time.
>> (Of course AK and HI have their own time zones but they're not part of
>> the continental US)
>>
>No, Alaska is part of the _continental_ US but not part of the
>_contiguous_ US.
>
I'm a dummy - continguous WAS the word I had in mind but not the one
that went to the keyboard.

Living where I live (vancouver.bc.ca) of course I know where Alaska is
and who it's neighbors are. I even have two now retired cousins who
before their retirement lived in Wasilla, AK. (no kidding!) though
they grew up in Nebraska. One of them is an electrical engineer, the
other was the chief electrical inspector of Wasilla....(both received
their educations thanks to the USAF and the first one got his masters
on the GI bill)