On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > >>>>> -
> > >>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > >>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > >>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > >>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > >>>>> [...]
> > >>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > >>>> Sir Cankkkook
> > >>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> > >>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> > >>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> > >>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> > >>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> > >>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> > >>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> > >>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> > >>>
> > >>> ----------------------------------------------------
> > >>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> > >>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> > >>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> > >>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> > >>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> > >>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> > >>>
> > >>> HTH and HAND.
> > >> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> > >
> > > They're now also the coward Canuck hypocrite's words also. Can't let the hypocrite tell others (by cowardly hiding behind someone else's words) to provide comment when he never does, and looks the other way when Jordy has been doing it for years now.
> > > I can condemn him because I give Jordy some leeway with his song link posts while Dance acts the hypocrite.
> What is your point in bumping this, George?
>
> Are you trying to prove that your PPB threads have consistently flaunted AAPC's GLs (both the former and current ones) for years?

And they call me malicious, I was pretty generous by ignoring PPB links and Jordy's music links posts, while everyone else called them out for it...

On 2022-11-01 4:14 p.m., Zod wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)

>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>>>>
>>>> HTH and HAND.

>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!

>> The rule is part of our FAQs
>
> Not really, Pen...!

Right; a FAQ is not a set of rules.

This rule of MMP's is from the "Official Guidelines" that he began
posting onto the group last year and that he keeps saying (without
providing evidence) that I participated in drafting.

On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>>> The rule is part of our FAQs
>> Not really, Pen...!
>
> Yes, really, Stink.
>
> The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):

Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.

<snip>

>
> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.

<snip>

Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.

> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/KT0lBFcZEgAJ?hl=en

On 2022-11-03 3:39 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:32:26 AM UTC-4,
george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-31 10:41 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4,
george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook, according to your very own ass opinion, your post
is OUT OF ORDER!! See your ass opinion's word below:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>>>>>
>>>>> Good catch, Ash.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ash has a point, George.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just explained to Jim (at your request) that we are expected
to provide commentary with any links that we post. The same holds true
for you.
>>>> I made no such request. Must you lie about everything?
>>
>>> Call it what you want, George. I was being polite.
>> You misrepresented George Dance, little monkey.
>>
>> But that's nothing new for you.
>
> How is the use of polite language a misrepresentation?
>
You claimed that I requested something that you knew I didn't. That's
not just misrepresentation but outright lying.

> However, if it will make you happy, I'll rephrase it more accurately:
>
> I had informed Mack (as a new member) that posting links without
commentary is against our GLs, and frowned upon.
>
That's almost true. The only false part is that you said anything about
your "GLs".

> George Dance seized this opportunity to respond to one of Jim's posts
by reposting my message to Mack (above), along with a smarmy comment
implying that the GLs were being selectively enforced.
>
And there you go lying again. I didn't make any "smarmy comment" to the
Chimp about "the GLs ... bein selectively enforced." In fact, I didn't
make any comment to the Chimp at all. I just sent him your rule.

I didn't make any comment to the Chimp. I simply posted him your rule,

> I brought the matter to Jim's attention, and he promised to adhere to
the GLs from here on in.

He should have stood up to you. In fact, I think I'll write and tell him
that. He probably won't read it, either, but it will be archived.

> Ash then informed George that he was being something of a hypocrite,
as he regularly posts links without commentary -- which I also allowed
to pass.
>

What do you mean, you "allowed" them to pass? There's no rule against
it. Sometimes I have to wonder who the fuck you think you are.

> I then told George that Ash had a valid point, and that George should
adhere to the GLs as well.
>
Once again, there was no discussion of "GLs" in any of this. It's not
that big a deal for you to pretend that we were talkin about that, but
you are pretending.

Your "accurate description" is no more honest than your "polite"
description.

> The last time I looked, George posted a comment along with his link,
so hopefully this tempest in a teapot has blown over.
>

Given that you've since trolled two more PPP threads, with the same "GL"
misinformation, this one had to be revisited.

> I don't understand why George should be upset at my referring to his
post in a positive light -- but this recap will hopefully mollify him.

Oh, stop pretending that you're getting me 'upset'. I'm simply pointing
out your dishonesty in pretending that I support this rule that you (and
possibly unknown others) have come up with.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-03 3:39 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:32:26 AM UTC-4,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-10-31 10:41 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>> Sir Cankkkook, according to your very own ass opinion, your post
> is OUT OF ORDER!! See your ass opinion's word below:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good catch, Ash.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ash has a point, George.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've just explained to Jim (at your request) that we are expected
> to provide commentary with any links that we post. The same holds true
> for you.
> >>>> I made no such request. Must you lie about everything?
> >>
> >>> Call it what you want, George. I was being polite.
> >> You misrepresented George Dance, little monkey.
> >>
> >> But that's nothing new for you.
> >
> > How is the use of polite language a misrepresentation?
> >
> You claimed that I requested something that you knew I didn't. That's
> not just misrepresentation but outright lying.

> > However, if it will make you happy, I'll rephrase it more accurately:
> >
> > I had informed Mack (as a new member) that posting links without
> commentary is against our GLs, and frowned upon.
> >
> That's almost true. The only false part is that you said anything about
> your "GLs".

> > George Dance seized this opportunity to respond to one of Jim's posts
> by reposting my message to Mack (above), along with a smarmy comment
> implying that the GLs were being selectively enforced.
> >
> And there you go lying again. I didn't make any "smarmy comment" to the
> Chimp about "the GLs ... bein selectively enforced." In fact, I didn't
> make any comment to the Chimp at all. I just sent him your rule.

> I didn't make any comment to the Chimp. I simply posted him your rule,

> > I brought the matter to Jim's attention, and he promised to adhere to
> the GLs from here on in.

> He should have stood up to you. In fact, I think I'll write and tell him
> that. He probably won't read it, either, but it will be archived.

> > Ash then informed George that he was being something of a hypocrite,
> as he regularly posts links without commentary -- which I also allowed
> to pass.
> >

> What do you mean, you "allowed" them to pass? There's no rule against
> it. Sometimes I have to wonder who the fuck you think you are.

> > I then told George that Ash had a valid point, and that George should
> adhere to the GLs as well.
> >
> Once again, there was no discussion of "GLs" in any of this. It's not
> that big a deal for you to pretend that we were talkin about that, but
> you are pretending.

> Your "accurate description" is no more honest than your "polite"
> description.

> > The last time I looked, George posted a comment along with his link,
> so hopefully this tempest in a teapot has blown over.
> >

> Given that you've since trolled two more PPP threads, with the same "GL"
> misinformation, this one had to be revisited.

> > I don't understand why George should be upset at my referring to his
> post in a positive light -- but this recap will hopefully mollify him.

> Oh, stop pretending that you're getting me 'upset'. I'm simply pointing
> out your dishonesty in pretending that I support this rule that you (and
> possibly unknown others) have come up with.

Again, good read, well put, George.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:37:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-01 4:14 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>> Sir Cankkkook
> >>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>
> >>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> >>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> >>>>
> >>>> HTH and HAND.
>
> >>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>
> >> The rule is part of our FAQs
> >
> > Not really, Pen...!
> Right; a FAQ is not a set of rules.
>
> This rule of MMP's is from the "Official Guidelines" that he began
> posting onto the group last year and that he keeps saying (without
> providing evidence) that I participated in drafting.

Our GLs and FAQs are listed in the same post, the title of which is "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs."

Both our Guidelines (GLs) and Facts and Questions (FAQs) contain rules.

The rule in question falls under our GLs section (rule #8).

Please accept my apologies for any confusion my post may have caused.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
> >>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HTH and HAND.
> >>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> >>> The rule is part of our FAQs
> >> Not really, Pen...!
> >
> > Yes, really, Stink.
> >
> > The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.

This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it.

> <snip>
> >
> > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> <snip>
>
> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.

You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.

All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.

*The Donkey, his Stink, and his Creepy Uncle are not considered to be members.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:22:51 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-03 3:39 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:32:26 AM UTC-4,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-10-31 10:41 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>> Sir Cankkkook, according to your very own ass opinion, your post
> is OUT OF ORDER!! See your ass opinion's word below:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good catch, Ash.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ash has a point, George.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've just explained to Jim (at your request) that we are expected
> to provide commentary with any links that we post. The same holds true
> for you.
> >>>> I made no such request. Must you lie about everything?
> >>
> >>> Call it what you want, George. I was being polite.
> >> You misrepresented George Dance, little monkey.
> >>
> >> But that's nothing new for you.
> >
> > How is the use of polite language a misrepresentation?
> >
> You claimed that I requested something that you knew I didn't. That's
> not just misrepresentation but outright lying.

You posted my comments under Jim's post and whined that the rules only apply to team Donkey.

In the most polite terms, that can be taken as a request for me to extend those rules to the members of the supposed "team Monkey" as well.

If, otoh, you were just whining for the sake of whining... god help you.

> > However, if it will make you happy, I'll rephrase it more accurately:
> >
> > I had informed Mack (as a new member) that posting links without
> commentary is against our GLs, and frowned upon.
> >
> That's almost true. The only false part is that you said anything about
> your "GLs".

I may not have specified that they were in the GLs, but the fact remains that they are.

> > George Dance seized this opportunity to respond to one of Jim's posts
> by reposting my message to Mack (above), along with a smarmy comment
> implying that the GLs were being selectively enforced.
> >
> And there you go lying again. I didn't make any "smarmy comment" to the
> Chimp about "the GLs ... bein selectively enforced." In fact, I didn't
> make any comment to the Chimp at all. I just sent him your rule.

You made a smarmy comment about the rules only applying to certain individuals.

> I didn't make any comment to the Chimp. I simply posted him your rule,
> > I brought the matter to Jim's attention, and he promised to adhere to
> the GLs from here on in.
> He should have stood up to you. In fact, I think I'll write and tell him
> that. He probably won't read it, either, but it will be archived.

He should have stood up to me regarding what?

> > Ash then informed George that he was being something of a hypocrite,
> as he regularly posts links without commentary -- which I also allowed
> to pass.
> >
> What do you mean, you "allowed" them to pass? There's no rule against
> it. Sometimes I have to wonder who the fuck you think you are.

Michael Malefica Grendelwolf Pendragon LeFay.

The name says it all.

> > I then told George that Ash had a valid point, and that George should
> adhere to the GLs as well.
> >
> Once again, there was no discussion of "GLs" in any of this. It's not
> that big a deal for you to pretend that we were talkin about that, but
> you are pretending.

Whether mentioned directly or not, that is what was being discussed.

> Your "accurate description" is no more honest than your "polite"
> description.

I'm sorry. Allow me to correct.

You whined, on at least two threads, that the rule against posting links without accompanying commentary applies only to team Donkey.

> > The last time I looked, George posted a comment along with his link,
> so hopefully this tempest in a teapot has blown over.
> >
> Given that you've since trolled two more PPP threads, with the same "GL"
> misinformation, this one had to be revisited.

Your PPP threads are Spam and, lacking commentary, are in violation of our GLs.

> > I don't understand why George should be upset at my referring to his
> post in a positive light -- but this recap will hopefully mollify him.
> Oh, stop pretending that you're getting me 'upset'. I'm simply pointing
> out your dishonesty in pretending that I support this rule that you (and
> possibly unknown others) have come up with.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>> >>>>> -
>> >>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>> >>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>> >>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>> >>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> >>>>> [...]
>> >>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>> >>>> Sir Cankkkook
>> >>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>> >>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>> >>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>> >>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>> >>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>> >>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>> >>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>> >>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>> >>>
>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> >>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>> >>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>> >>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>> >>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>> >>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>> >>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>> >>>
>> >>> HTH and HAND.
>> >> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>> >
>> > They're now also the coward Canuck hypocrite's words also. Can't let the hypocrite tell others (by cowardly hiding behind someone else's words) to provide comment when he never does, and looks the other way when Jordy has been doing it for years now.
>> > I can condemn him because I give Jordy some leeway with his song link posts while Dance acts the hypocrite.

> What is your point in bumping this, George?

> Are you trying to prove that your PPB threads have consistently flaunted AAPC's GLs (both the former and current ones) for years?

I'd these Guidelines were created after the flame wars began then they are most likely including bogus elements.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>> >>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>> >>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>> >>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>> >>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> >>>>>>> [...]
>> >>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>> >>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
>> >>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>> >>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>> >>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>> >>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>> >>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>> >>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>> >>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>> >>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>> >>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>> >>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>> >>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>> >>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> HTH and HAND.
>> >>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>> >>> The rule is part of our FAQs
>> >> Not really, Pen...!
>> >
>> > Yes, really, Stink.
>> >
>> > The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
>> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
>> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.

> This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it.

>> <snip>
>> >
>> > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do.. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.

> You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.

> All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.

> *The Donkey, his Stink, and his Creepy Uncle are not considered to be members.

So these so called Guidelines are bogus, after all.

HTH and HAND.

On 2022-11-08 1:27 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
>>>>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>>>>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>>>>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>>>>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>>>>>> The rule is part of our FAQs
>>>>> Not really, Pen...!
>>>>
>>>> Yes, really, Stink.
>>>>
>>>> The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
>>> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
>>> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.
>
>> This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it.
>
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.
>
>> You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.
>
>> All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.
>
>> *The Donkey, his Stink, and his Creepy Uncle are not considered to be members.
>
> So these so called Guidelines are bogus, after all.

The rules are "democratic"; and in a democracy there are always some who
don't get to vote. Yes, that's bogus.

I notice he's got a Guideline aimed at you (don't post too much), one
aimed at Zod (don't make one-line replies), and one aimed at Jordy (this
one about not posting without commentary) - yet you never got, and will
never get, any say on that one rule.

But is my position -- I'll get a vote -- any better? Whether I'm acting
on my own, or as a member of the Donkey Party, that's one vote, a
perpetual minority. I'd be just as disenfranchised as you are.

(Robert Nozick's point, actually -- in his example, if you're a slave
with no vote on how you're treated, and a slave with a vote, you're
still a slave either way -- no real difference.)

As I see it, there's no way Team Donkey can accept this crazy idea of
the "Guidelines".

>
> HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:47:38 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-08 1:27 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
> >>>>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >>>>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >>>>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
> >>>>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> >>>>>> The rule is part of our FAQs
> >>>>> Not really, Pen...!
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, really, Stink.
> >>>>
> >>>> The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
> >>> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
> >>> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.
> >
> >> This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it.
> >
> >>> <snip>
> >>>>
> >>>> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.
> >
> >> You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.
> >
> >> All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.
> >
> >> *The Donkey, his Stink, and his Creepy Uncle are not considered to be members.
> >
> > So these so called Guidelines are bogus, after all.
> The rules are "democratic"; and in a democracy there are always some who
> don't get to vote. Yes, that's bogus.
>
> I notice he's got a Guideline aimed at you (don't post too much), one
> aimed at Zod (don't make one-line replies), and one aimed at Jordy (this
> one about not posting without commentary) - yet you never got, and will
> never get, any say on that one rule.
>
> But is my position -- I'll get a vote -- any better? Whether I'm acting
> on my own, or as a member of the Donkey Party, that's one vote, a
> perpetual minority. I'd be just as disenfranchised as you are.
>
> (Robert Nozick's point, actually -- in his example, if you're a slave
> with no vote on how you're treated, and a slave with a vote, you're
> still a slave either way -- no real difference.)
>
> As I see it, there's no way Team Donkey can accept this crazy idea of
> the "Guidelines".

Definitely not.

>
> >
> > HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:27:33 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> >> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >> >>>>>>> -
> >> >>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >> >>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >> >>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >> >>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >> >>>>>>> [...]
> >> >>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >> >>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
> >> >>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >> >>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >> >>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >> >>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >> >>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >> >>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >> >>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >> >>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >> >>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >> >>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >> >>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >> >>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >> >>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> >> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> >> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> HTH and HAND.
> >> >>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> >> >>> The rule is part of our FAQs
> >> >> Not really, Pen...!
> >> >
> >> > Yes, really, Stink.
> >> >
> >> > The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
> >> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
> >> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.
>
> > This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it.
>
> >> <snip>
> >> >
> >> > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.
>
> > You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.
>
> > All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.
>
> > *The Donkey, his Stink, and his Creepy Uncle are not considered to be members.
> So these so called Guidelines are bogus, after all.

Not at all. They apply to all AAPC members.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:47:38 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-08 1:27 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
> >>>>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >>>>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >>>>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
> >>>>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> >>>>>> The rule is part of our FAQs
> >>>>> Not really, Pen...!
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, really, Stink.
> >>>>
> >>>> The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
> >>> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
> >>> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.
> >
> >> This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it.
> >
> >>> <snip>
> >>>>
> >>>> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.
> >
> >> You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.
> >
> >> All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.
> >
> >> *The Donkey, his Stink, and his Creepy Uncle are not considered to be members.
> >
> > So these so called Guidelines are bogus, after all.
> The rules are "democratic"; and in a democracy there are always some who
> don't get to vote. Yes, that's bogus.

Athens was a democracy, George.

Did everyone who lived in Athens have the right to vote?
> I notice he's got a Guideline aimed at you (don't post too much), one
> aimed at Zod (don't make one-line replies), and one aimed at Jordy (this
> one about not posting without commentary) - yet you never got, and will
> never get, any say on that one rule.

The Guidelines were created to protect AAPC from trolls.

Obviously, the trolls would be excluded from both formulating and voting on the Guidelines.

> But is my position -- I'll get a vote -- any better? Whether I'm acting
> on my own, or as a member of the Donkey Party, that's one vote, a
> perpetual minority. I'd be just as disenfranchised as you are.

The fact that you've allied yourself with the trolls is entirely of your own doing, so stop whining about it.

If you choose to vote for rules that are detrimental to the group, it is only fitting that those of us with common sense should overrule you.

> (Robert Nozick's point, actually -- in his example, if you're a slave
> with no vote on how you're treated, and a slave with a vote, you're
> still a slave either way -- no real difference.)

A slave with a vote could cast her vote for Abolition.

A dunce with a trollish agenda is going to remain a party of one.
> As I see it, there's no way Team Donkey can accept this crazy idea of
> the "Guidelines".

Team Donkey was not asked to accept the rules, George.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:02:36 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:27:33 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > >> >> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> >>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > >> >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > >> >>>>>>> -
> > >> >>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > >> >>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > >> >>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > >> >>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > >> >>>>>>> [...]
> > >> >>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > >> >>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
> > >> >>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> > >> >>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> > >> >>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> > >> >>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> > >> >>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> > >> >>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> > >> >>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> > >> >>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
> > >> >>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> > >> >>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> > >> >>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> > >> >>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> > >> >>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> > >> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> HTH and HAND.
> > >> >>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> > >> >>> The rule is part of our FAQs
> > >> >> Not really, Pen...!
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, really, Stink.
> > >> >
> > >> > The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
> > >> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
> > >> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.
> >
> > > This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it..
> >
> > >> <snip>
> > >> >
> > >> > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> > >> <snip>
> > >>
> > >> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.
> >
> > > You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.
> >
> > > All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.
> >
> > > *The Donkey, his Stink, and his Creepy Uncle are not considered to be members.
> > So these so called Guidelines are bogus, after all.
> Not at all. They apply to all AAPC members.

Not really.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:19:52 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:02:36 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:27:33 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > >> >> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> >>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > >> >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > > >> >>>>>>> -
> > > >> >>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > > >> >>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > > >> >>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > > >> >>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > > >> >>>>>>> [...]
> > > >> >>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > > >> >>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
> > > >> >>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> > > >> >>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> > > >> >>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> > > >> >>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> > > >> >>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> > > >> >>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> > > >> >>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> > > >> >>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
> > > >> >>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> > > >> >>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> > > >> >>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> > > >> >>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> > > >> >>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> > > >> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> > > >> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> HTH and HAND.
> > > >> >>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> > > >> >>> The rule is part of our FAQs
> > > >> >> Not really, Pen...!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, really, Stink.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
> > > >> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
> > > >> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.
> > >
> > > > This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it.
> > >
> > > >> <snip>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> > > >> <snip>
> > > >>
> > > >> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.
> > >
> > > > You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.
> > >
> > > > All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.
> > >
> > > > *The Donkey, his Stink, and his Creepy Uncle are not considered to be members.
> > > So these so called Guidelines are bogus, after all.
> > Not at all. They apply to all AAPC members.
> Not really.

Yes, really, Donkey.

Trolls, like yourself, are not going to be accepted as members by any group you behave trollishly in.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>> >>>>> -
>> >>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>> >>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>> >>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>> >>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> >>>>> [...]
>> >>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>> >>>> Sir Cankkkook
>> >>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>> >>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>> >>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>> >>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>> >>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>> >>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>> >>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>> >>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>> >>>
>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> >>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>> >>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>> >>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>> >>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>> >>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>> >>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>> >>>
>> >>> HTH and HAND.
>> >> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>> >
>> > They're now also the coward Canuck hypocrite's words also. Can't let the hypocrite tell others (by cowardly hiding behind someone else's words) to provide comment when he never does, and looks the other way when Jordy has been doing it for years now.
>> > I can condemn him because I give Jordy some leeway with his song link posts while Dance acts the hypocrite.

> What is your point in bumping this, George?

> Are you trying to prove that your PPB threads have consistently flaunted AAPC's GLs (both the former and current ones) for years?

George might as well, since you've admitted that the guidelines are bogus.

HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:22:51 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-03 3:39 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:32:26 AM UTC-4,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-10-31 10:41 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>> Sir Cankkkook, according to your very own ass opinion, your post
> is OUT OF ORDER!! See your ass opinion's word below:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good catch, Ash.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ash has a point, George.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've just explained to Jim (at your request) that we are expected
> to provide commentary with any links that we post. The same holds true
> for you.
> >>>> I made no such request. Must you lie about everything?
> >>
> >>> Call it what you want, George. I was being polite.
> >> You misrepresented George Dance, little monkey.
> >>
> >> But that's nothing new for you.
> >
> > How is the use of polite language a misrepresentation?
> >
> You claimed that I requested something that you knew I didn't. That's
> not just misrepresentation but outright lying.
> > However, if it will make you happy, I'll rephrase it more accurately:
> >
> > I had informed Mack (as a new member) that posting links without
> commentary is against our GLs, and frowned upon.
> >
> That's almost true. The only false part is that you said anything about
> your "GLs".
> > George Dance seized this opportunity to respond to one of Jim's posts
> by reposting my message to Mack (above), along with a smarmy comment
> implying that the GLs were being selectively enforced.
> >
> And there you go lying again. I didn't make any "smarmy comment" to the
> Chimp about "the GLs ... bein selectively enforced." In fact, I didn't
> make any comment to the Chimp at all. I just sent him your rule.
>
> I didn't make any comment to the Chimp. I simply posted him your rule,
> > I brought the matter to Jim's attention, and he promised to adhere to
> the GLs from here on in.
> He should have stood up to you. In fact, I think I'll write and tell him
> that. He probably won't read it, either, but it will be archived.
> > Ash then informed George that he was being something of a hypocrite,
> as he regularly posts links without commentary -- which I also allowed
> to pass.
> >
> What do you mean, you "allowed" them to pass? There's no rule against
> it. Sometimes I have to wonder who the fuck you think you are.
> > I then told George that Ash had a valid point, and that George should
> adhere to the GLs as well.
> >
> Once again, there was no discussion of "GLs" in any of this. It's not
> that big a deal for you to pretend that we were talkin about that, but
> you are pretending.
>
> Your "accurate description" is no more honest than your "polite"
> description.
> > The last time I looked, George posted a comment along with his link,
> so hopefully this tempest in a teapot has blown over.
> >
> Given that you've since trolled two more PPP threads, with the same "GL"
> misinformation, this one had to be revisited.
> > I don't understand why George should be upset at my referring to his
> post in a positive light -- but this recap will hopefully mollify him.
> Oh, stop pretending that you're getting me 'upset'. I'm simply pointing
> out your dishonesty in pretending that I support this rule that you (and
> possibly unknown others) have come up with.

Well put, G.D.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 6:45:39 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >> >>>>> -
> >> >>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >> >>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >> >>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >> >>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >> >>>>> [...]
> >> >>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >> >>>> Sir Cankkkook
> >> >>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >> >>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >> >>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >> >>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >> >>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >> >>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >> >>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >> >>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >> >>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >> >>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >> >>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >> >>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >> >>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> >> >>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>>
> >> >>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> HTH and HAND.
> >> >> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> >> >
> >> > They're now also the coward Canuck hypocrite's words also. Can't let the hypocrite tell others (by cowardly hiding behind someone else's words) to provide comment when he never does, and looks the other way when Jordy has been doing it for years now.
> >> > I can condemn him because I give Jordy some leeway with his song link posts while Dance acts the hypocrite.
>
> > What is your point in bumping this, George?
>
> > Are you trying to prove that your PPB threads have consistently flaunted AAPC's GLs (both the former and current ones) for years?
> I'd these Guidelines were created after the flame wars began then they are most likely including bogus elements.

It's really none of your concern, Donkey, as the GLs only pertain ti AAPC members.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 6:45:39 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>> >> >>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>> >> >>>>> -
>> >> >>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>> >> >>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>> >> >>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>> >> >>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> >> >>>>> [...]
>> >> >>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>> >> >>>> Sir Cankkkook
>> >> >>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>> >> >>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>> >> >>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>> >> >>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>> >> >>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>> >> >>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>> >> >>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>> >> >>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>> >> >>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>> >> >>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>> >> >>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>> >> >>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>> >> >>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>> >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> HTH and HAND.
>> >> >> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>> >> >
>> >> > They're now also the coward Canuck hypocrite's words also. Can't let the hypocrite tell others (by cowardly hiding behind someone else's words) to provide comment when he never does, and looks the other way when Jordy has been doing it for years now.
>> >> > I can condemn him because I give Jordy some leeway with his song link posts while Dance acts the hypocrite.
>>
>> > What is your point in bumping this, George?
>>
>> > Are you trying to prove that your PPB threads have consistently flaunted AAPC's GLs (both the former and current ones) for years?
>> I'd these Guidelines were created after the flame wars began then they are most likely including bogus elements.

> It's really none of your concern

I've been posting here on alt.arts.poetry.comments for over twenty years, little monkey, a bogus FAQ is definitely my "concern".

HTH and HAND.

:)

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:32:26 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-31 10:41 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>> -
> >>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>> [...]
> >>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >> Sir Cankkkook, according to your very own ass opinion, your post is OUT OF ORDER!! See your ass opinion's word below:
> >>
> >> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >> george...@yahoo.ca
> >> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >
> > Good catch, Ash.
> >
> > Ash has a point, George.
> >
> > I've just explained to Jim (at your request) that we are expected to provide commentary with any links that we post. The same holds true for you.
> I made no such request. Must you lie about everything?

That's Pendragon.

If his fingers are typing, he's probably lying.

HTH and HAND.

On 2022-11-08 12:22 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
>>>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>>>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>>>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>>>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>>>>> The rule is part of our FAQs
>>>> Not really, Pen...!
>>>
>>> Yes, really, Stink.
>>>
>>> The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
>> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
>> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.
>
> This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it.
>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.
>
> You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.

The discussion you linked to was not a discussion of "GLs". You haven't
shown that there was any discussion on aapc of "GLs".

> All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.
>

You also haven't shown that anyone "accepted" your "finished" version of
them, either.

> *The Donkey, his Stink, and his Creepy Uncle are not considered to be members.

On 2022-11-08 12:18 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:37:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-01 4:14 p.m., Zod wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
>>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>>
>>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>
>>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>>
>>>> The rule is part of our FAQs
>>>
>>> Not really, Pen...!
>> Right; a FAQ is not a set of rules.
>>
>> This rule of MMP's is from the "Official Guidelines" that he began
>> posting onto the group last year and that he keeps saying (without
>> providing evidence) that I participated in drafting.
>
> Our GLs and FAQs are listed in the same post, the title of which is "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs."
>
> Both our Guidelines (GLs) and Facts and Questions (FAQs) contain rules.

PJ Ross used to post a FAQ here and pretend it was rules. His pretending
didn't turn it into rules. Neither does your copying him turn your FAQ
into rules.

>
> The rule in question falls under our GLs section (rule #8).

That's what I just told Will:
>> This rule of MMP's is from the "Official Guidelines" that he began
>> posting onto the group last year and that he keeps saying (without
>> providing evidence) that I participated in drafting.

Why not read the previous posts before you comment on them?

>

> Please accept my apologies for any confusion my post may have caused.
>

On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>>>
>>> They're now also the coward Canuck hypocrite's words also. Can't let the hypocrite tell others (by cowardly hiding behind someone else's words) to provide comment when he never does, and looks the other way when Jordy has been doing it for years now.
>>> I can condemn him because I give Jordy some leeway with his song link posts while Dance acts the hypocrite.
>
> What is your point in bumping this, George?

> Are you trying to prove that your PPB threads have consistently flaunted AAPC's GLs (both the former and current ones) for years?

That's your claim, Michael. It's your job to try to prove it.

So far you haven't even proved that aapc has any "GLs" to "flaunt".

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:39:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-08 12:22 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
> >>>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >>>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >>>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
> >>>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> >>>>> The rule is part of our FAQs
> >>>> Not really, Pen...!
> >>>
> >>> Yes, really, Stink.
> >>>
> >>> The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
> >> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
> >> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.
> >
> > This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it.
> >
> >> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"? Not me.
> >
> > You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of the later ones as well.
> The discussion you linked to was not a discussion of "GLs". You haven't
> shown that there was any discussion on aapc of "GLs".

The title of the thread I'd posted a link to is "FAQ: First Draft of Part I.."

This clearly shows that the revision was still a work in progress, and the act of my posting a work in progress is in itself a call for c&c. However, I specifically ask for group input in my opening statement:

"Here's a very rough draft of the first portion of our proposed FAQs. I've done a quick edit/update from the original FAQs (thanks Will), and welcome as many suggestions/changes (and discussions) as possible)."

As you can see from my addressing "Will," the Donkey was involved at this stage as well.

But we're really interested in what George Dance had to say:

"I'm happy to see you pick up the ball and run with it; and I don't see anything I object to strongly. I added my 2 poetry sites, of course. Beyond that, I made 2 changes: I changed "critiques" to "criticism" - I think the former word is way too pretentious, and offputting: I know we allow comments, too, but the idea of having to write a 'critique' may still scare some people into silence. Let's leave the critiques to Kant. The other one word change I'd suggest is "The vast majority" to "Many" - it's more likely to remain true, no matter who or how many join, while still making the point. I indicated those changes up above, XX'ing out the words I'd omit and adding the suggestions after them. Thanks again, and please carry on."

Wow! George Dance was "happy" to see this first draft of the new FAQs/GLs. Not only that, but George Dance made suggestions as to the wording of it, and George Dance thanked me for undertaking this project and expressed wish, no... pleaded with me, to continue it.

Of course, we were discussion the FAQs at this time, not the GLs (which is what he will argue now), however, it specifically lists one very important rule: "All posts *should* be related to poetry as defined above."

> > All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the finished GLs/FAQs.
> >
> You also haven't shown that anyone "accepted" your "finished" version of
> them, either.

Over the course of the next four years, various drafts were submitted, discussed, and modified until the final set appeared. No one voted to "accept" it, if that's what you mean. The final draft was accepted in the sense that no one involved saw fit to offer any further changes/corrections.