On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 5:45:12 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-09 9:29 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:39:31 AM UTC-5,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-08 12:22 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:22 AM UTC-5,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-01 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-4,
> michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>>> The rule is part of our FAQs
> >>>>>> Not really, Pen...!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, really, Stink.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The current AAPC members collaborated on a set of GLs and posted
> them under our new FAQs. You'll find the issue in question under 8):
> >>>> Since you're giving a link, you don't have to paste the whole
> >>>> monstrosity in here; just the relevant section.
> >>>
> >>> This precludes the possibility of your pretending not to have seen it..
> >>>
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an
> original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to,
> Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you
> do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it,
> don’t post it.
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>
> BTW, you're using 'post and run' incorrectly. "Post and run" refers to
> posting an OP and then leaving the thread.

No offense intended, George.

I have already spent far more time on this than the topic deserves.

> >>>> Which "current AAPC members" collaborated on these "Guidelines"?
> Not me.
> >>>
> >>> You were involved in the initial discussions -- possibly some of
> the later ones as well.
> >> The discussion you linked to was not a discussion of "GLs". You haven't
> >> shown that there was any discussion on aapc of "GLs".
> >
> > The title of the thread I'd posted a link to is "FAQ: First Draft of
> Part I."
> >
> > This clearly shows that the revision was still a work in progress,
> and the act of my posting a work in progress is in itself a call for
> c&c. However, I specifically ask for group input in my opening statement:
> >
> > "Here's a very rough draft of the first portion of our proposed FAQs.
> I've done a quick edit/update from the original FAQs (thanks Will), and
> welcome as many suggestions/changes (and discussions) as possible)."
> >
> > As you can see from my addressing "Will," the Donkey was involved at
> this stage as well.
> >
> The important point is that it's a "first portion of our proposed FAQs,"
> not of "rules" or "GLs". More importantly, there's no further discussion.

And, again, even in its first draft, and under the guise of FAQs, it still includes one very significant rule: "All posts *should* be related to poetry as defined above."

> > But we're really interested in what George Dance had to say:
> >
> > "I'm happy to see you pick up the ball and run with it; and I don't
> see anything I object to strongly. I added my 2 poetry sites, of
> course. Beyond that, I made 2 changes: I changed "critiques" to
> "criticism" - I think the former word is way too pretentious, and
> offputting: I know we allow comments, too, but the idea of having to
> write a 'critique' may still scare some people into silence. Let's leave
> the critiques to Kant. The other one word change I'd suggest is "The
> vast majority" to "Many" - it's more likely to remain true, no matter
> who or how many join, while still making the point. I indicated those
> changes up above, XX'ing out the words I'd omit and adding the
> suggestions after them. Thanks again, and please carry on."
> >
> since you're so interested, I'll quote something else I said in that thread:
>
> "A FAQ is just a way to pre-answer questions; it is not what some people
> tried to use the old FAQ for, as 'rules' to tell anyone how to behave."

You'll note that the single rule I'd included said, and italicized (via surrounding asterisks), "*should*."

This means that it is not an enforceable rule (as that has never been the intent of the FAQs or the GLs), but a strongly recommended suggestion.

> Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:14:36 PM UTC-4
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/YmmIW4eTAwAJ?hl=en
> > Wow! George Dance was "happy" to see this first draft of the new
> FAQs/GLs. Not only that, but George Dance made suggestions as to the
> wording of it, and George Dance thanked me for undertaking this project
> and expressed wish, no... pleaded with me, to continue it.
> I still think a FAQ has value. As I said in the same message I just quoted:
> "What will a FAQ do? I think it's part of sprucing up the group. I
> notice you've been promoting aapc-un on fb, and I've noticed more
> readers here, probably as a result. I don't expect any one step to turn
> this into a great poetry place again, but they're all steps in that
> direction."
>
> I supported your FAQ initiative just as I supported the Chimp's Sampler
> initiative. I did not support you telling me what I can and can't post
> on my own threads. Once again, that is not what a FAQ is for.

Your PPB threads have been shown, by PJR, to be cancellable spam. Our GLs have taken your desire to post only a portion of the poem as a teaser to lure people to your blog into account. As long as you post a comment that could potentially initiate a poetry-related discussion, your spamming will be overlooked. You should be grateful that the GLs made allowances specifically to accommodate your practice.

> > Of course, we were discussion the FAQs at this time, not the GLs
> (which is what he will argue now), however, it specifically lists one
> very important rule: "All posts *should* be related to poetry as defined
> above."
>
> >>> All the members* were involved to the degree that they accepted the
> finished GLs/FAQs.
> >>>
> >> You also haven't shown that anyone "accepted" your "finished" version of
> >> them, either.
> >
> > Over the course of the next four years, various drafts were
> submitted, discussed, and modified until the final set appeared.
> Really? Yet there's no record of that that I've been able to find;
> nothing between your "FAQ: First Draft of Part I" and the "Official
> Guidelines" four years later.
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/search?q=faq%20author%3Amichael%20author%3Apendragon&hl=en
>
>
> You may have been discussing it with Team Monkey on e-mail, but I
> suspect you wrote this yourself. Not that there's anything wrong with
> that; as I told you four years ago, it needed a person to pick up the
> ball, and better you than me.

Of course I wrote it.

That should be apparent from my having posted a self-written first draft.

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> To October, by William Curtis
> -
> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html

The poetry sample quoted is commentary enough on the PPB posts.

On 2022-11-09 9:24 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>> To October, by William Curtis
>> -
>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> [...]
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>
> The poetry sample quoted is commentary enough on the PPB posts.

I've always said that. The 'commentary' is designed to get the reader
know whether they'd like to visit the blog and read the whole poem. I'm
only speaking for myself as a poetry reader, but I know what would
interest me is reading a sample from it, not someone's 'original
commentary' that might or might not tell me anything about it.

I'd like to get that in, since it's something I don't mind repeating,
but I hope no one gets the idea I'm trying to discuss that with the
Monkey Party.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-09 9:24 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>> -
>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>> [...]
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>
>> The poetry sample quoted is commentary enough on the PPB posts.

> I've always said that. The 'commentary' is designed to get the reader
> know whether they'd like to visit the blog and read the whole poem. I'm
> only speaking for myself as a poetry reader, but I know what would
> interest me is reading a sample from it, not someone's 'original
> commentary' that might or might not tell me anything about it.

That's exactly right, commentary can follow in the thread.

> I'd like to get that in, since it's something I don't mind repeating,
> but I hope no one gets the idea I'm trying to discuss that with the
> Monkey Party.

aka Shit Slingers Anonymous.

🙂

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:24:07 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > To October, by William Curtis
> > -
> > How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> The poetry sample quoted is commentary enough on the PPB posts.

It may be for you who lacks words of your own...
It may be for Dance that always uses other people words because it seems that all he has is wild conspiracy theories...
No, it just a poetry snippet designed to be click bait, Usenet 'veteran'.

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 7:28:59 AM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:24:07 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >
> > > To October, by William Curtis
> > > -
> > > How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > > Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > > Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > > Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > > [...]
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > The poetry sample quoted is commentary enough on the PPB posts.
> It may be for you who lacks words of your own...
> It may be for Dance that always uses other people words because it seems that all he has is wild conspiracy theories...

What conspiracy theories?

> No, it just a poetry snippet designed to be click bait, Usenet 'veteran'.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 10:22:03 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-09 9:24 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>
> >> To October, by William Curtis
> >> -
> >> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >> [...]
> >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >
> > The poetry sample quoted is commentary enough on the PPB posts.
> I've always said that. The 'commentary' is designed to get the reader
> know whether they'd like to visit the blog and read the whole poem. I'm
> only speaking for myself as a poetry reader, but I know what would
> interest me is reading a sample from it, not someone's 'original
> commentary' that might or might not tell me anything about it.
>
> I'd like to get that in, since it's something I don't mind repeating,
> but I hope no one gets the idea I'm trying to discuss that with the
> Monkey Party.

The above is an admission that your PPB threads are *designed* to lure readers away from AAPC and to your blog. That is why they qualify as "cancellable spam."

Our suggestion (strong var.) that you include an original comment is meant to encourage your readers to *discuss* your poetry at AAPC *after* having visited your blog.

There is no reason why AAPC and your blog cannot work together for mutual benefit.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 10:22:03 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-09 9:24 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To October, by William Curtis
>> >> -
>> >> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>> >> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>> >> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>> >> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> >> [...]
>> >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>> >
>> > The poetry sample quoted is commentary enough on the PPB posts.
>> I've always said that. The 'commentary' is designed to get the reader
>> know whether they'd like to visit the blog and read the whole poem. I'm
>> only speaking for myself as a poetry reader, but I know what would
>> interest me is reading a sample from it, not someone's 'original
>> commentary' that might or might not tell me anything about it.
>>
>> I'd like to get that in, since it's something I don't mind repeating,
>> but I hope no one gets the idea I'm trying to discuss that with the
>> Monkey Party.

>

> There is no reason why AAPC and your blog cannot work together for mutual benefit.

The two actually do work together.

On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
>>>>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>>>>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>>>>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>>>>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're now also the coward Canuck hypocrite's words also. Can't let the hypocrite tell others (by cowardly hiding behind someone else's words) to provide comment when he never does, and looks the other way when Jordy has been doing it for years now.
>>>>>> I can condemn him because I give Jordy some leeway with his song link posts while Dance acts the hypocrite.
>>>>
>>>> What is your point in bumping this, George?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are you trying to prove that your PPB threads have consistently flaunted AAPC's GLs (both the former and current ones) for years?
>>> That's your claim, Michael. It's your job to try to prove it.
>>>
>>> So far you haven't even proved that aapc has any "GLs" to "flaunt".
>> I've posted the GLs, George.
>>
>> I can't imagine what further proof you would need.
>
> I can't imagine why I haven't plonked this thread.

Because you wanted to have a hissy fit and storm off?

>
> Plonk.
>

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
> >>>>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
> >>>>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
> >>>>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
> >>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
> >>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
> >>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
> >>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
> >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
> >>>>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They're now also the coward Canuck hypocrite's words also. Can't let the hypocrite tell others (by cowardly hiding behind someone else's words) to provide comment when he never does, and looks the other way when Jordy has been doing it for years now.
> >>>>>> I can condemn him because I give Jordy some leeway with his song link posts while Dance acts the hypocrite.
> >>>>
> >>>> What is your point in bumping this, George?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Are you trying to prove that your PPB threads have consistently flaunted AAPC's GLs (both the former and current ones) for years?
> >>> That's your claim, Michael. It's your job to try to prove it.
> >>>
> >>> So far you haven't even proved that aapc has any "GLs" to "flaunt".
> >> I've posted the GLs, George.
> >>
> >> I can't imagine what further proof you would need.
> >
> > I can't imagine why I haven't plonked this thread.
>
>
> Because you wanted to have a hissy fit and storm off?
>
> >
> > Plonk.

So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?

Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century.

You may have only recently discovered this group, but it has been around for a while, and therefore has a decades long history of archived posts that are accessible via the search function.

Start there. Learn from our history in order to not repeat our mistakes.

Then, before you post, please think about being interesting. We lose more visitors here due to lack of interest than any other single cause.

AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.

But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:

1) Treat other members with some semblance of civility. Like generates like.. If you treat others with a little respect, they’ll probably return the favor.

2) Post On-Topic. The topic here is Poetry, so post an original poem or comment on someone else’s poetry. If you want to discuss folk music, “Star Trek,” comic books or post videos of the “talent” at your local karaoke bar, you’re in the wrong group.

3) Don’t over post. Limiting one’s posts to 10 per day is greatly appreciated. Making 25 posts per day can be damned annoying; so unless you’re the most interesting and knowledgeable writer on the planet, save it for your personal blog.

4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.

5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.

6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
*Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.

7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.

8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.

9) Don’t feed the trolls.

FAQs:

1. WHAT IS AAPC?
Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
is clear and enjoyable to the reader.

2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
kind even without the C&C designation.

3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
-- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
takes too much time.
-- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
-- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
(wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
-- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.

On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>
> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>

I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:

<snip>

>
> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>

<snip>

Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.

> 5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.
>
> 6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
> *Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.
>
> 7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.
>
> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
>
> 9) Don’t feed the trolls.
>
> FAQs:
>
> 1. WHAT IS AAPC?
> Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
> for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
> before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
> for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
> images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
> is clear and enjoyable to the reader.
>
> 2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
> Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
> in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
> indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
> group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
> kind even without the C&C designation.
>
> 3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
> There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
> there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
> -- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
> internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
> contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
> attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
> in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
> takes too much time.
> -- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
> handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
> will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
> on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
> to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
> plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
> -- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
> (wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
> automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
> -- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
> caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.
>
> 4. HOW MANY POEMS SHOULD I POST AT A TIME?
> While there is no limit to the number of poems you can post at a
> sitting, people are most likely to read and respond to your poem if you
> post no more than two or three at a time. And as mentioned above, since
> there are many poems posted each day, a shorter work is more likely to
> receive comments.
>
> 5. WHAT KIND OF HEADER SHOULD I USE?
> Use the title of the poem, if it has one. If you can't decide on a
> title, try a header like: "Need a Title..." to let the reader know you'd
> appreciate comments on that subject. If it is your first poem-post, it
> is fine to use the header "First Poem" or "First Post". Do not use
> headers designed strictly to get attention, and it is preferable not to
> use headers that have nothing to do with your poem.
>
> 6. DO I HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE FOR MY POEM?
> Not necessarily - see #5.
>
> 7. DO I HAVE TO WRITE A CERTAIN KIND OF POETRY?
> AAPC has poets who use all forms and styles of poetry. The group
> includes but is not limited to free verse, tanka, haiku, sonnet,
> sestina.... Feel free to use the poetic form you are most comfortable
> with, or to post experiments in forms. There are several poets who are
> quite knowledgeable and can help you with the rules of certain poetic
> forms.
>
> 8. WHAT IF I DON'T GET ANY COMMENTS?
> There could be several reasons for the lack of comments. Most likely it
> is because the group is following the old rule: "If you can't say
> nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all." The readers might not have
> understood your poem or liked it. Sometimes posts are ignored because
> of too much bad spelling, grammar or punctuation, which can distract the
> reader from the content of the poem and make it frustrating to get
> through.
> Check your post again; look for typos, correct any errors that you find,
> and repost it in a few days with the note that it has been revised.
> It is an (until now) unspoken rule, though, that it is best to read the
> group for a few days, contribute some comments of your own, then post
> your poem once people have noticed you and gotten to know you. Many
> readers are more comfortable commenting when they've seen you around for
> awhile and know that you are interested in what they have to say.
> Also, consider the length of your post. Since there are many poems
> posted every day, a shorter work is more likely to receive comments.
>
> 9. SHOULD I RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS I RECEIVE?
> Definitely! Even if you don't agree with the comment, it is a courtesy
> to make a brief response to show you appreciated the time taken to read
> and reply to your poem. If you repeatedly do not respond to comments on
> your work, you may find that readers stop commenting altogether.
>
> 10. WHEN AND HOW SHOULD I COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS?
> All posts are open to comments. Feel free to point out what
> specifically you liked about the poem: what lines, images, words did you
> find particularly interesting or captivating? At the same time, you can
> also point out any changes you feel might enhance the poem. If you feel
> a word in a certain place is awkward, feel free to comment on it and
> suggest a suitable replacement word if you can. It isn't necessary to
> give a detailed commentary on each poem, though; in general, the poet
> will appreciate knowing you read the poem, so a few words to indicate
> you read and enjoyed it are always nice.
>
> 11. IS IT OK TO EMAIL MY COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE POET?
> This is usually a matter of personal preference. If you have become
> familiar with the poet through other posts to the newsgroup, it is
> generally acceptable. If you do not know the person, they may ignore
> your email, so it is preferable to post to the group.
>
> 12. CAN I REWRITE SOMEONE'S POEM FOR THEM?
> If you feel comfortable doing so, the poet will usually appreciate the
> effort involved. Rewriting sections or giving comments on specific
> lines are welcome as well.
>
> 13. DO YOU HAVE IRC CHATS OR OTHER SCHEDULED GATHERINGS?
> Not as of this writing (February 1999). There is a semi-official AAPC
> chat room but it has never been used for a formal AAPC chat. There has
> also been some banter on having a picnic in the summer of 1999, but no
> volunteer hosts as of yet.
>
> 14. ARE THERE ANY AAPC-RELATED WEB SITES?
> Many of the poets have their own sites, and most list them in their
> signature files or post notices of updates to the newsgroup.
>
> 15. ARE THERE ANY PUBLISHED / FAMOUS / INFAMOUS POETS IN THE GROUP?
> Depends on who you ask! The vast majority of the poets have had some of
> their work published. Some are published widely in anthologies and
> well-respected poetry journals. No one has made a million from their
> poetry, but we have our suspicions on who will be famous someday.
>
> 16. DO POETRY EDITORS READ THE NEWSGROUP?
> Some participants are editors of poetry journals, both on-line and
> print. Quite possibly there are other editors who "lurk" (read but
> don't post).
>
> 17. MIGHT I BE OFFERED A BOOK CONTRACT BY POSTING MY POETRY HERE?
> Not likely. If you are, be very suspicious of it.
>
> 18. WHAT IS CONSIDERED "OFF-TOPIC"?
> Poets by their nature enjoy tangents. You'll see a lot of threads
> beginning with a poem and going off in a sometimes bizarre, completely
> unrelated direction.
> By and large, keep your original posts (not part of an existing thread)
> limited to your own poetry, or questions about poetry.
>
> 19. DO I HAVE TO USE MY REAL NAME?
> Internet handles are okay, many regulars use them. To build
> familiarity, stick to the same one, or use your real name.

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >
> > So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> >
> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> >
> <snip>
>
> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > 5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.
> >
> > 6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
> > *Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.
> >
> > 7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.
> >
> > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> >
> > 9) Don’t feed the trolls.
> >
> > FAQs:
> >
> > 1. WHAT IS AAPC?
> > Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
> > for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
> > before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
> > for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
> > images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
> > is clear and enjoyable to the reader.
> >
> > 2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
> > Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
> > in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
> > indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
> > group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
> > kind even without the C&C designation.
> >
> > 3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
> > There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
> > there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
> > -- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
> > internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
> > contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
> > attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
> > in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
> > takes too much time.
> > -- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
> > handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
> > will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
> > on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
> > to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
> > plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
> > -- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
> > (wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
> > automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
> > -- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
> > caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.
> >
> > 4. HOW MANY POEMS SHOULD I POST AT A TIME?
> > While there is no limit to the number of poems you can post at a
> > sitting, people are most likely to read and respond to your poem if you
> > post no more than two or three at a time. And as mentioned above, since
> > there are many poems posted each day, a shorter work is more likely to
> > receive comments.
> >
> > 5. WHAT KIND OF HEADER SHOULD I USE?
> > Use the title of the poem, if it has one. If you can't decide on a
> > title, try a header like: "Need a Title..." to let the reader know you'd
> > appreciate comments on that subject. If it is your first poem-post, it
> > is fine to use the header "First Poem" or "First Post". Do not use
> > headers designed strictly to get attention, and it is preferable not to
> > use headers that have nothing to do with your poem.
> >
> > 6. DO I HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE FOR MY POEM?
> > Not necessarily - see #5.
> >
> > 7. DO I HAVE TO WRITE A CERTAIN KIND OF POETRY?
> > AAPC has poets who use all forms and styles of poetry. The group
> > includes but is not limited to free verse, tanka, haiku, sonnet,
> > sestina.... Feel free to use the poetic form you are most comfortable
> > with, or to post experiments in forms. There are several poets who are
> > quite knowledgeable and can help you with the rules of certain poetic
> > forms.
> >
> > 8. WHAT IF I DON'T GET ANY COMMENTS?
> > There could be several reasons for the lack of comments. Most likely it
> > is because the group is following the old rule: "If you can't say
> > nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all." The readers might not have
> > understood your poem or liked it. Sometimes posts are ignored because
> > of too much bad spelling, grammar or punctuation, which can distract the
> > reader from the content of the poem and make it frustrating to get
> > through.
> > Check your post again; look for typos, correct any errors that you find,
> > and repost it in a few days with the note that it has been revised.
> > It is an (until now) unspoken rule, though, that it is best to read the
> > group for a few days, contribute some comments of your own, then post
> > your poem once people have noticed you and gotten to know you. Many
> > readers are more comfortable commenting when they've seen you around for
> > awhile and know that you are interested in what they have to say.
> > Also, consider the length of your post. Since there are many poems
> > posted every day, a shorter work is more likely to receive comments.
> >
> > 9. SHOULD I RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS I RECEIVE?
> > Definitely! Even if you don't agree with the comment, it is a courtesy
> > to make a brief response to show you appreciated the time taken to read
> > and reply to your poem. If you repeatedly do not respond to comments on
> > your work, you may find that readers stop commenting altogether.
> >
> > 10. WHEN AND HOW SHOULD I COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS?
> > All posts are open to comments. Feel free to point out what
> > specifically you liked about the poem: what lines, images, words did you
> > find particularly interesting or captivating? At the same time, you can
> > also point out any changes you feel might enhance the poem. If you feel
> > a word in a certain place is awkward, feel free to comment on it and
> > suggest a suitable replacement word if you can. It isn't necessary to
> > give a detailed commentary on each poem, though; in general, the poet
> > will appreciate knowing you read the poem, so a few words to indicate
> > you read and enjoyed it are always nice.
> >
> > 11. IS IT OK TO EMAIL MY COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE POET?
> > This is usually a matter of personal preference. If you have become
> > familiar with the poet through other posts to the newsgroup, it is
> > generally acceptable. If you do not know the person, they may ignore
> > your email, so it is preferable to post to the group.
> >
> > 12. CAN I REWRITE SOMEONE'S POEM FOR THEM?
> > If you feel comfortable doing so, the poet will usually appreciate the
> > effort involved. Rewriting sections or giving comments on specific
> > lines are welcome as well.
> >
> > 13. DO YOU HAVE IRC CHATS OR OTHER SCHEDULED GATHERINGS?
> > Not as of this writing (February 1999). There is a semi-official AAPC
> > chat room but it has never been used for a formal AAPC chat. There has
> > also been some banter on having a picnic in the summer of 1999, but no
> > volunteer hosts as of yet.
> >
> > 14. ARE THERE ANY AAPC-RELATED WEB SITES?
> > Many of the poets have their own sites, and most list them in their
> > signature files or post notices of updates to the newsgroup.
> >
> > 15. ARE THERE ANY PUBLISHED / FAMOUS / INFAMOUS POETS IN THE GROUP?
> > Depends on who you ask! The vast majority of the poets have had some of
> > their work published. Some are published widely in anthologies and
> > well-respected poetry journals. No one has made a million from their
> > poetry, but we have our suspicions on who will be famous someday.
> >
> > 16. DO POETRY EDITORS READ THE NEWSGROUP?
> > Some participants are editors of poetry journals, both on-line and
> > print. Quite possibly there are other editors who "lurk" (read but
> > don't post).
> >
> > 17. MIGHT I BE OFFERED A BOOK CONTRACT BY POSTING MY POETRY HERE?
> > Not likely. If you are, be very suspicious of it.
> >
> > 18. WHAT IS CONSIDERED "OFF-TOPIC"?
> > Poets by their nature enjoy tangents. You'll see a lot of threads
> > beginning with a poem and going off in a sometimes bizarre, completely
> > unrelated direction.
> > By and large, keep your original posts (not part of an existing thread)
> > limited to your own poetry, or questions about poetry.
> >
> > 19. DO I HAVE TO USE MY REAL NAME?
> > Internet handles are okay, many regulars use them. To build
> > familiarity, stick to the same one, or use your real name.

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >
> > So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> >
> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> >
> <snip>
>
> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.

Posting the GLs to a thread (or, in this case, to a series of threads) that continually ignore them is not an example of hijacking, George.

As previously noted: your PPB threads have been identified by PJR as "cancellable spam." Guideline #8 was drafted with your PPB threads in mind -- in order to prevent them from being labeled as such.

You had originally voiced your support for an updated set of GLs. Your repeated refusal to adhere to them can only be seen as an act of protest.

So, again, I ask you which of the GLs are you opposed to, and why?

> > 5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.
> >
> > 6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
> > *Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.
> >
> > 7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.
> >
> > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> >
> > 9) Don’t feed the trolls.
> >
> > FAQs:
> >
> > 1. WHAT IS AAPC?
> > Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
> > for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
> > before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
> > for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
> > images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
> > is clear and enjoyable to the reader.
> >
> > 2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
> > Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
> > in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
> > indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
> > group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
> > kind even without the C&C designation.
> >
> > 3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
> > There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
> > there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
> > -- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
> > internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
> > contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
> > attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
> > in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
> > takes too much time.
> > -- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
> > handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
> > will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
> > on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
> > to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
> > plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
> > -- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
> > (wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
> > automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
> > -- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
> > caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.
> >
> > 4. HOW MANY POEMS SHOULD I POST AT A TIME?
> > While there is no limit to the number of poems you can post at a
> > sitting, people are most likely to read and respond to your poem if you
> > post no more than two or three at a time. And as mentioned above, since
> > there are many poems posted each day, a shorter work is more likely to
> > receive comments.
> >
> > 5. WHAT KIND OF HEADER SHOULD I USE?
> > Use the title of the poem, if it has one. If you can't decide on a
> > title, try a header like: "Need a Title..." to let the reader know you'd
> > appreciate comments on that subject. If it is your first poem-post, it
> > is fine to use the header "First Poem" or "First Post". Do not use
> > headers designed strictly to get attention, and it is preferable not to
> > use headers that have nothing to do with your poem.
> >
> > 6. DO I HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE FOR MY POEM?
> > Not necessarily - see #5.
> >
> > 7. DO I HAVE TO WRITE A CERTAIN KIND OF POETRY?
> > AAPC has poets who use all forms and styles of poetry. The group
> > includes but is not limited to free verse, tanka, haiku, sonnet,
> > sestina.... Feel free to use the poetic form you are most comfortable
> > with, or to post experiments in forms. There are several poets who are
> > quite knowledgeable and can help you with the rules of certain poetic
> > forms.
> >
> > 8. WHAT IF I DON'T GET ANY COMMENTS?
> > There could be several reasons for the lack of comments. Most likely it
> > is because the group is following the old rule: "If you can't say
> > nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all." The readers might not have
> > understood your poem or liked it. Sometimes posts are ignored because
> > of too much bad spelling, grammar or punctuation, which can distract the
> > reader from the content of the poem and make it frustrating to get
> > through.
> > Check your post again; look for typos, correct any errors that you find,
> > and repost it in a few days with the note that it has been revised.
> > It is an (until now) unspoken rule, though, that it is best to read the
> > group for a few days, contribute some comments of your own, then post
> > your poem once people have noticed you and gotten to know you. Many
> > readers are more comfortable commenting when they've seen you around for
> > awhile and know that you are interested in what they have to say.
> > Also, consider the length of your post. Since there are many poems
> > posted every day, a shorter work is more likely to receive comments.
> >
> > 9. SHOULD I RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS I RECEIVE?
> > Definitely! Even if you don't agree with the comment, it is a courtesy
> > to make a brief response to show you appreciated the time taken to read
> > and reply to your poem. If you repeatedly do not respond to comments on
> > your work, you may find that readers stop commenting altogether.
> >
> > 10. WHEN AND HOW SHOULD I COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS?
> > All posts are open to comments. Feel free to point out what
> > specifically you liked about the poem: what lines, images, words did you
> > find particularly interesting or captivating? At the same time, you can
> > also point out any changes you feel might enhance the poem. If you feel
> > a word in a certain place is awkward, feel free to comment on it and
> > suggest a suitable replacement word if you can. It isn't necessary to
> > give a detailed commentary on each poem, though; in general, the poet
> > will appreciate knowing you read the poem, so a few words to indicate
> > you read and enjoyed it are always nice.
> >
> > 11. IS IT OK TO EMAIL MY COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE POET?
> > This is usually a matter of personal preference. If you have become
> > familiar with the poet through other posts to the newsgroup, it is
> > generally acceptable. If you do not know the person, they may ignore
> > your email, so it is preferable to post to the group.
> >
> > 12. CAN I REWRITE SOMEONE'S POEM FOR THEM?
> > If you feel comfortable doing so, the poet will usually appreciate the
> > effort involved. Rewriting sections or giving comments on specific
> > lines are welcome as well.
> >
> > 13. DO YOU HAVE IRC CHATS OR OTHER SCHEDULED GATHERINGS?
> > Not as of this writing (February 1999). There is a semi-official AAPC
> > chat room but it has never been used for a formal AAPC chat. There has
> > also been some banter on having a picnic in the summer of 1999, but no
> > volunteer hosts as of yet.
> >
> > 14. ARE THERE ANY AAPC-RELATED WEB SITES?
> > Many of the poets have their own sites, and most list them in their
> > signature files or post notices of updates to the newsgroup.
> >
> > 15. ARE THERE ANY PUBLISHED / FAMOUS / INFAMOUS POETS IN THE GROUP?
> > Depends on who you ask! The vast majority of the poets have had some of
> > their work published. Some are published widely in anthologies and
> > well-respected poetry journals. No one has made a million from their
> > poetry, but we have our suspicions on who will be famous someday.
> >
> > 16. DO POETRY EDITORS READ THE NEWSGROUP?
> > Some participants are editors of poetry journals, both on-line and
> > print. Quite possibly there are other editors who "lurk" (read but
> > don't post).
> >
> > 17. MIGHT I BE OFFERED A BOOK CONTRACT BY POSTING MY POETRY HERE?
> > Not likely. If you are, be very suspicious of it.
> >
> > 18. WHAT IS CONSIDERED "OFF-TOPIC"?
> > Poets by their nature enjoy tangents. You'll see a lot of threads
> > beginning with a poem and going off in a sometimes bizarre, completely
> > unrelated direction.
> > By and large, keep your original posts (not part of an existing thread)
> > limited to your own poetry, or questions about poetry.
> >
> > 19. DO I HAVE TO USE MY REAL NAME?
> > Internet handles are okay, many regulars use them. To build
> > familiarity, stick to the same one, or use your real name.

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 5:20:09 AM UTC-5, Robert Burrows wrote:
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > >
> > > So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > >
> > I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> >
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> > >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > > 5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.
> > >
> > > 6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
> > > *Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.
> > >
> > > 7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.
> > >
> > > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> > >
> > > 9) Don’t feed the trolls.
> > >
> > > FAQs:
> > >
> > > 1. WHAT IS AAPC?
> > > Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
> > > for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
> > > before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
> > > for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
> > > images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
> > > is clear and enjoyable to the reader.
> > >
> > > 2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
> > > Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
> > > in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
> > > indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
> > > group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
> > > kind even without the C&C designation.
> > >
> > > 3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
> > > There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
> > > there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
> > > -- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
> > > internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
> > > contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
> > > attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
> > > in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
> > > takes too much time.
> > > -- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
> > > handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
> > > will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
> > > on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
> > > to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
> > > plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
> > > -- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
> > > (wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
> > > automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
> > > -- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
> > > caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.
> > >
> > > 4. HOW MANY POEMS SHOULD I POST AT A TIME?
> > > While there is no limit to the number of poems you can post at a
> > > sitting, people are most likely to read and respond to your poem if you
> > > post no more than two or three at a time. And as mentioned above, since
> > > there are many poems posted each day, a shorter work is more likely to
> > > receive comments.
> > >
> > > 5. WHAT KIND OF HEADER SHOULD I USE?
> > > Use the title of the poem, if it has one. If you can't decide on a
> > > title, try a header like: "Need a Title..." to let the reader know you'd
> > > appreciate comments on that subject. If it is your first poem-post, it
> > > is fine to use the header "First Poem" or "First Post". Do not use
> > > headers designed strictly to get attention, and it is preferable not to
> > > use headers that have nothing to do with your poem.
> > >
> > > 6. DO I HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE FOR MY POEM?
> > > Not necessarily - see #5.
> > >
> > > 7. DO I HAVE TO WRITE A CERTAIN KIND OF POETRY?
> > > AAPC has poets who use all forms and styles of poetry. The group
> > > includes but is not limited to free verse, tanka, haiku, sonnet,
> > > sestina.... Feel free to use the poetic form you are most comfortable
> > > with, or to post experiments in forms. There are several poets who are
> > > quite knowledgeable and can help you with the rules of certain poetic
> > > forms.
> > >
> > > 8. WHAT IF I DON'T GET ANY COMMENTS?
> > > There could be several reasons for the lack of comments. Most likely it
> > > is because the group is following the old rule: "If you can't say
> > > nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all." The readers might not have
> > > understood your poem or liked it. Sometimes posts are ignored because
> > > of too much bad spelling, grammar or punctuation, which can distract the
> > > reader from the content of the poem and make it frustrating to get
> > > through.
> > > Check your post again; look for typos, correct any errors that you find,
> > > and repost it in a few days with the note that it has been revised.
> > > It is an (until now) unspoken rule, though, that it is best to read the
> > > group for a few days, contribute some comments of your own, then post
> > > your poem once people have noticed you and gotten to know you. Many
> > > readers are more comfortable commenting when they've seen you around for
> > > awhile and know that you are interested in what they have to say.
> > > Also, consider the length of your post. Since there are many poems
> > > posted every day, a shorter work is more likely to receive comments.
> > >
> > > 9. SHOULD I RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS I RECEIVE?
> > > Definitely! Even if you don't agree with the comment, it is a courtesy
> > > to make a brief response to show you appreciated the time taken to read
> > > and reply to your poem. If you repeatedly do not respond to comments on
> > > your work, you may find that readers stop commenting altogether.
> > >
> > > 10. WHEN AND HOW SHOULD I COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS?
> > > All posts are open to comments. Feel free to point out what
> > > specifically you liked about the poem: what lines, images, words did you
> > > find particularly interesting or captivating? At the same time, you can
> > > also point out any changes you feel might enhance the poem. If you feel
> > > a word in a certain place is awkward, feel free to comment on it and
> > > suggest a suitable replacement word if you can. It isn't necessary to
> > > give a detailed commentary on each poem, though; in general, the poet
> > > will appreciate knowing you read the poem, so a few words to indicate
> > > you read and enjoyed it are always nice.
> > >
> > > 11. IS IT OK TO EMAIL MY COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE POET?
> > > This is usually a matter of personal preference. If you have become
> > > familiar with the poet through other posts to the newsgroup, it is
> > > generally acceptable. If you do not know the person, they may ignore
> > > your email, so it is preferable to post to the group.
> > >
> > > 12. CAN I REWRITE SOMEONE'S POEM FOR THEM?
> > > If you feel comfortable doing so, the poet will usually appreciate the
> > > effort involved. Rewriting sections or giving comments on specific
> > > lines are welcome as well.
> > >
> > > 13. DO YOU HAVE IRC CHATS OR OTHER SCHEDULED GATHERINGS?
> > > Not as of this writing (February 1999). There is a semi-official AAPC
> > > chat room but it has never been used for a formal AAPC chat. There has
> > > also been some banter on having a picnic in the summer of 1999, but no
> > > volunteer hosts as of yet.
> > >
> > > 14. ARE THERE ANY AAPC-RELATED WEB SITES?
> > > Many of the poets have their own sites, and most list them in their
> > > signature files or post notices of updates to the newsgroup.
> > >
> > > 15. ARE THERE ANY PUBLISHED / FAMOUS / INFAMOUS POETS IN THE GROUP?
> > > Depends on who you ask! The vast majority of the poets have had some of
> > > their work published. Some are published widely in anthologies and
> > > well-respected poetry journals. No one has made a million from their
> > > poetry, but we have our suspicions on who will be famous someday.
> > >
> > > 16. DO POETRY EDITORS READ THE NEWSGROUP?
> > > Some participants are editors of poetry journals, both on-line and
> > > print. Quite possibly there are other editors who "lurk" (read but
> > > don't post).
> > >
> > > 17. MIGHT I BE OFFERED A BOOK CONTRACT BY POSTING MY POETRY HERE?
> > > Not likely. If you are, be very suspicious of it.
> > >
> > > 18. WHAT IS CONSIDERED "OFF-TOPIC"?
> > > Poets by their nature enjoy tangents. You'll see a lot of threads
> > > beginning with a poem and going off in a sometimes bizarre, completely
> > > unrelated direction.
> > > By and large, keep your original posts (not part of an existing thread)
> > > limited to your own poetry, or questions about poetry.
> > >
> > > 19. DO I HAVE TO USE MY REAL NAME?
> > > Internet handles are okay, many regulars use them. To build
> > > familiarity, stick to the same one, or use your real name.
> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:19:20 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 5:20:09 AM UTC-5, Robert Burrows wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > >>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > > >
> > > > So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > > >
> > > I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > > three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> > > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > > post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > > > 5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.
> > > >
> > > > 6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
> > > > *Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.
> > > >
> > > > 7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.
> > > >
> > > > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> > > >
> > > > 9) Don’t feed the trolls.
> > > >
> > > > FAQs:
> > > >
> > > > 1. WHAT IS AAPC?
> > > > Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
> > > > for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
> > > > before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
> > > > for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
> > > > images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
> > > > is clear and enjoyable to the reader.
> > > >
> > > > 2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
> > > > Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
> > > > in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
> > > > indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
> > > > group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
> > > > kind even without the C&C designation.
> > > >
> > > > 3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
> > > > There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
> > > > there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
> > > > -- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
> > > > internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
> > > > contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
> > > > attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
> > > > in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
> > > > takes too much time.
> > > > -- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
> > > > handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
> > > > will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
> > > > on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
> > > > to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
> > > > plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
> > > > -- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
> > > > (wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
> > > > automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
> > > > -- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
> > > > caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.
> > > >
> > > > 4. HOW MANY POEMS SHOULD I POST AT A TIME?
> > > > While there is no limit to the number of poems you can post at a
> > > > sitting, people are most likely to read and respond to your poem if you
> > > > post no more than two or three at a time. And as mentioned above, since
> > > > there are many poems posted each day, a shorter work is more likely to
> > > > receive comments.
> > > >
> > > > 5. WHAT KIND OF HEADER SHOULD I USE?
> > > > Use the title of the poem, if it has one. If you can't decide on a
> > > > title, try a header like: "Need a Title..." to let the reader know you'd
> > > > appreciate comments on that subject. If it is your first poem-post, it
> > > > is fine to use the header "First Poem" or "First Post". Do not use
> > > > headers designed strictly to get attention, and it is preferable not to
> > > > use headers that have nothing to do with your poem.
> > > >
> > > > 6. DO I HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE FOR MY POEM?
> > > > Not necessarily - see #5.
> > > >
> > > > 7. DO I HAVE TO WRITE A CERTAIN KIND OF POETRY?
> > > > AAPC has poets who use all forms and styles of poetry. The group
> > > > includes but is not limited to free verse, tanka, haiku, sonnet,
> > > > sestina.... Feel free to use the poetic form you are most comfortable
> > > > with, or to post experiments in forms. There are several poets who are
> > > > quite knowledgeable and can help you with the rules of certain poetic
> > > > forms.
> > > >
> > > > 8. WHAT IF I DON'T GET ANY COMMENTS?
> > > > There could be several reasons for the lack of comments. Most likely it
> > > > is because the group is following the old rule: "If you can't say
> > > > nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all." The readers might not have
> > > > understood your poem or liked it. Sometimes posts are ignored because
> > > > of too much bad spelling, grammar or punctuation, which can distract the
> > > > reader from the content of the poem and make it frustrating to get
> > > > through.
> > > > Check your post again; look for typos, correct any errors that you find,
> > > > and repost it in a few days with the note that it has been revised.
> > > > It is an (until now) unspoken rule, though, that it is best to read the
> > > > group for a few days, contribute some comments of your own, then post
> > > > your poem once people have noticed you and gotten to know you. Many
> > > > readers are more comfortable commenting when they've seen you around for
> > > > awhile and know that you are interested in what they have to say.
> > > > Also, consider the length of your post. Since there are many poems
> > > > posted every day, a shorter work is more likely to receive comments..
> > > >
> > > > 9. SHOULD I RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS I RECEIVE?
> > > > Definitely! Even if you don't agree with the comment, it is a courtesy
> > > > to make a brief response to show you appreciated the time taken to read
> > > > and reply to your poem. If you repeatedly do not respond to comments on
> > > > your work, you may find that readers stop commenting altogether.
> > > >
> > > > 10. WHEN AND HOW SHOULD I COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS?
> > > > All posts are open to comments. Feel free to point out what
> > > > specifically you liked about the poem: what lines, images, words did you
> > > > find particularly interesting or captivating? At the same time, you can
> > > > also point out any changes you feel might enhance the poem. If you feel
> > > > a word in a certain place is awkward, feel free to comment on it and
> > > > suggest a suitable replacement word if you can. It isn't necessary to
> > > > give a detailed commentary on each poem, though; in general, the poet
> > > > will appreciate knowing you read the poem, so a few words to indicate
> > > > you read and enjoyed it are always nice.
> > > >
> > > > 11. IS IT OK TO EMAIL MY COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE POET?
> > > > This is usually a matter of personal preference. If you have become
> > > > familiar with the poet through other posts to the newsgroup, it is
> > > > generally acceptable. If you do not know the person, they may ignore
> > > > your email, so it is preferable to post to the group.
> > > >
> > > > 12. CAN I REWRITE SOMEONE'S POEM FOR THEM?
> > > > If you feel comfortable doing so, the poet will usually appreciate the
> > > > effort involved. Rewriting sections or giving comments on specific
> > > > lines are welcome as well.
> > > >
> > > > 13. DO YOU HAVE IRC CHATS OR OTHER SCHEDULED GATHERINGS?
> > > > Not as of this writing (February 1999). There is a semi-official AAPC
> > > > chat room but it has never been used for a formal AAPC chat. There has
> > > > also been some banter on having a picnic in the summer of 1999, but no
> > > > volunteer hosts as of yet.
> > > >
> > > > 14. ARE THERE ANY AAPC-RELATED WEB SITES?
> > > > Many of the poets have their own sites, and most list them in their
> > > > signature files or post notices of updates to the newsgroup.
> > > >
> > > > 15. ARE THERE ANY PUBLISHED / FAMOUS / INFAMOUS POETS IN THE GROUP?
> > > > Depends on who you ask! The vast majority of the poets have had some of
> > > > their work published. Some are published widely in anthologies and
> > > > well-respected poetry journals. No one has made a million from their
> > > > poetry, but we have our suspicions on who will be famous someday.
> > > >
> > > > 16. DO POETRY EDITORS READ THE NEWSGROUP?
> > > > Some participants are editors of poetry journals, both on-line and
> > > > print. Quite possibly there are other editors who "lurk" (read but
> > > > don't post).
> > > >
> > > > 17. MIGHT I BE OFFERED A BOOK CONTRACT BY POSTING MY POETRY HERE?
> > > > Not likely. If you are, be very suspicious of it.
> > > >
> > > > 18. WHAT IS CONSIDERED "OFF-TOPIC"?
> > > > Poets by their nature enjoy tangents. You'll see a lot of threads
> > > > beginning with a poem and going off in a sometimes bizarre, completely
> > > > unrelated direction.
> > > > By and large, keep your original posts (not part of an existing thread)
> > > > limited to your own poetry, or questions about poetry.
> > > >
> > > > 19. DO I HAVE TO USE MY REAL NAME?
> > > > Internet handles are okay, many regulars use them. To build
> > > > familiarity, stick to the same one, or use your real name.
> > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> I proposed that we rewrite the GLs in 2017 (with George's encouragement and support): https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
>
> Over the course of the next 5 years, the GLs were continually redrafted to comply with the concerns and include the suggestions of the various AAPC members who participated.
>
> IOW: I wrote the GLs with input from the group; and these GLs were eventually agreed on by everyone involved, and adopted by the same as the Official Guidelines of AAPC.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>>>>>> Sir Cankkkook
>>>>>>>>> Ash's childish name-calling noted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it."
>>>>>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca
>>>>>>>>>> Oct 28, 2022, 4:42:19 PM (yesterday)
>>>>>>>>> I notice you deleted the attribution to Michael pendragon, which George Dance included, Ash:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> "We have a rule regarding the posting of links
>>>>>>>>> and/or extracts from other sources here, Mack.
>>>>>>>>> And that rule is that when we post someone else's
>>>>>>>>> essay, poem, article, etc., we must also post
>>>>>>>>> an *original* comment or question regarding it." - MMP, Oct. 5
>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_e5y_AODqxs/m/8sUTFAKmCgAJ?hl=en
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MMP = Michael Pendragon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>>>>>> Odd how Ash keeps deleting attribution to pen...!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're now also the coward Canuck hypocrite's words also. Can't let the hypocrite tell others (by cowardly hiding behind someone else's words) to provide comment when he never does, and looks the other way when Jordy has been doing it for years now.
>>>>>>> I can condemn him because I give Jordy some leeway with his song link posts while Dance acts the hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your point in bumping this, George?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are you trying to prove that your PPB threads have consistently flaunted AAPC's GLs (both the former and current ones) for years?
>>>> That's your claim, Michael. It's your job to try to prove it.
>>>>
>>>> So far you haven't even proved that aapc has any "GLs" to "flaunt".
>>> I've posted the GLs, George.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine what further proof you would need.
>>
>> I can't imagine why I haven't plonked this thread.

> Because you wanted to have a hissy fit and storm off?

A typical Corey reaction, actually.

HTH and HAND.

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >
> > So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> >
> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> >
> <snip>
>
> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.

Pendragon just makes the rules, he doesn't have to follow them.

HTH and HAND.

> > 5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.
> >
> > 6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
> > *Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.
> >
> > 7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.
> >
> > 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
> >
> > 9) Don’t feed the trolls.
> >
> > FAQs:
> >
> > 1. WHAT IS AAPC?
> > Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
> > for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
> > before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
> > for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
> > images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
> > is clear and enjoyable to the reader.
> >
> > 2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
> > Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
> > in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
> > indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
> > group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
> > kind even without the C&C designation.
> >
> > 3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
> > There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
> > there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
> > -- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
> > internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
> > contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
> > attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
> > in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
> > takes too much time.
> > -- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
> > handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
> > will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
> > on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
> > to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
> > plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
> > -- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
> > (wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
> > automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
> > -- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
> > caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.
> >
> > 4. HOW MANY POEMS SHOULD I POST AT A TIME?
> > While there is no limit to the number of poems you can post at a
> > sitting, people are most likely to read and respond to your poem if you
> > post no more than two or three at a time. And as mentioned above, since
> > there are many poems posted each day, a shorter work is more likely to
> > receive comments.
> >
> > 5. WHAT KIND OF HEADER SHOULD I USE?
> > Use the title of the poem, if it has one. If you can't decide on a
> > title, try a header like: "Need a Title..." to let the reader know you'd
> > appreciate comments on that subject. If it is your first poem-post, it
> > is fine to use the header "First Poem" or "First Post". Do not use
> > headers designed strictly to get attention, and it is preferable not to
> > use headers that have nothing to do with your poem.
> >
> > 6. DO I HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE FOR MY POEM?
> > Not necessarily - see #5.
> >
> > 7. DO I HAVE TO WRITE A CERTAIN KIND OF POETRY?
> > AAPC has poets who use all forms and styles of poetry. The group
> > includes but is not limited to free verse, tanka, haiku, sonnet,
> > sestina.... Feel free to use the poetic form you are most comfortable
> > with, or to post experiments in forms. There are several poets who are
> > quite knowledgeable and can help you with the rules of certain poetic
> > forms.
> >
> > 8. WHAT IF I DON'T GET ANY COMMENTS?
> > There could be several reasons for the lack of comments. Most likely it
> > is because the group is following the old rule: "If you can't say
> > nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all." The readers might not have
> > understood your poem or liked it. Sometimes posts are ignored because
> > of too much bad spelling, grammar or punctuation, which can distract the
> > reader from the content of the poem and make it frustrating to get
> > through.
> > Check your post again; look for typos, correct any errors that you find,
> > and repost it in a few days with the note that it has been revised.
> > It is an (until now) unspoken rule, though, that it is best to read the
> > group for a few days, contribute some comments of your own, then post
> > your poem once people have noticed you and gotten to know you. Many
> > readers are more comfortable commenting when they've seen you around for
> > awhile and know that you are interested in what they have to say.
> > Also, consider the length of your post. Since there are many poems
> > posted every day, a shorter work is more likely to receive comments.
> >
> > 9. SHOULD I RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS I RECEIVE?
> > Definitely! Even if you don't agree with the comment, it is a courtesy
> > to make a brief response to show you appreciated the time taken to read
> > and reply to your poem. If you repeatedly do not respond to comments on
> > your work, you may find that readers stop commenting altogether.
> >
> > 10. WHEN AND HOW SHOULD I COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS?
> > All posts are open to comments. Feel free to point out what
> > specifically you liked about the poem: what lines, images, words did you
> > find particularly interesting or captivating? At the same time, you can
> > also point out any changes you feel might enhance the poem. If you feel
> > a word in a certain place is awkward, feel free to comment on it and
> > suggest a suitable replacement word if you can. It isn't necessary to
> > give a detailed commentary on each poem, though; in general, the poet
> > will appreciate knowing you read the poem, so a few words to indicate
> > you read and enjoyed it are always nice.
> >
> > 11. IS IT OK TO EMAIL MY COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE POET?
> > This is usually a matter of personal preference. If you have become
> > familiar with the poet through other posts to the newsgroup, it is
> > generally acceptable. If you do not know the person, they may ignore
> > your email, so it is preferable to post to the group.
> >
> > 12. CAN I REWRITE SOMEONE'S POEM FOR THEM?
> > If you feel comfortable doing so, the poet will usually appreciate the
> > effort involved. Rewriting sections or giving comments on specific
> > lines are welcome as well.
> >
> > 13. DO YOU HAVE IRC CHATS OR OTHER SCHEDULED GATHERINGS?
> > Not as of this writing (February 1999). There is a semi-official AAPC
> > chat room but it has never been used for a formal AAPC chat. There has
> > also been some banter on having a picnic in the summer of 1999, but no
> > volunteer hosts as of yet.
> >
> > 14. ARE THERE ANY AAPC-RELATED WEB SITES?
> > Many of the poets have their own sites, and most list them in their
> > signature files or post notices of updates to the newsgroup.
> >
> > 15. ARE THERE ANY PUBLISHED / FAMOUS / INFAMOUS POETS IN THE GROUP?
> > Depends on who you ask! The vast majority of the poets have had some of
> > their work published. Some are published widely in anthologies and
> > well-respected poetry journals. No one has made a million from their
> > poetry, but we have our suspicions on who will be famous someday.
> >
> > 16. DO POETRY EDITORS READ THE NEWSGROUP?
> > Some participants are editors of poetry journals, both on-line and
> > print. Quite possibly there are other editors who "lurk" (read but
> > don't post).
> >
> > 17. MIGHT I BE OFFERED A BOOK CONTRACT BY POSTING MY POETRY HERE?
> > Not likely. If you are, be very suspicious of it.
> >
> > 18. WHAT IS CONSIDERED "OFF-TOPIC"?
> > Poets by their nature enjoy tangents. You'll see a lot of threads
> > beginning with a poem and going off in a sometimes bizarre, completely
> > unrelated direction.
> > By and large, keep your original posts (not part of an existing thread)
> > limited to your own poetry, or questions about poetry.
> >
> > 19. DO I HAVE TO USE MY REAL NAME?
> > Internet handles are okay, many regulars use them. To build
> > familiarity, stick to the same one, or use your real name.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>
>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>

> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:

> <snip>

>>
>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>

> <snip>

> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.

Voodoo Boy should try to practice what he preaches,....

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:32:40 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > >
> > > So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > >
> > I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> >
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> > >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> Pendragon just makes the rules, he doesn't have to follow them.

As we have seen one hundred times before....

General-Zod wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:

>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>
>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>>

>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:

>> <snip>

>>>
>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>>

>> <snip>

>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.

> Voodoo Boy should try to practice what he preaches,....

Not likely.

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 9:49:18 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>
> >> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> >>
>
> > I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>
> > <snip>
>
> >>
> >> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> >>
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> Voodoo Boy should try to practice what he preaches,....

Time for our daily incantation. Thank you for reminding me, Stinkman.

Die Stink, die.
Stop stinking up the place
Cover your ugly face
With sod so foul that only brambles dare
Take root atop its filth. Your grizzled hair
Long home to ticks and fleas
Shall be the straw where graveworms make their bed;
The earth repels you like some rank disease
The sun shines brighter knowing that you're dead
And songbird choirs echo "Die Stink, die."

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 9:49:18 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> > On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>> >>
>> >> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>> >>
>>
>> > I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>> > three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>>
>> > <snip>
>>
>> >>
>> >> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>> >>
>>
>> > <snip>
>>
>> > Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>> > post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>> Voodoo Boy should try to practice what he preaches,....

> Time for our daily incantation. Thank you for reminding me, Stinkman.

> Die Stink, die.
> Stop stinking up the place
> Cover your ugly face
> With sod so foul that only brambles dare
> Take root atop its filth. Your grizzled hair
> Long home to ticks and fleas
> Shall be the straw where graveworms make their bed;
> The earth repels you like some rank disease
> The sun shines brighter knowing that you're dead
> And songbird choirs echo "Die Stink, die."

Like I said, delusional.

HTH and HAND.

On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>
>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>>
>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>
> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?

I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
(like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>
>>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>>>
>>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>>
>> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?

> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.

Thus.... BOGUS....!

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>
> >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> >>>
> >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> >>>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> >
> > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.

You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ