On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > >>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > >>>
> > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > >>>
> > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> > >>
> > >> <snip>
> > >>>
> > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> > >>>
> > >> <snip>
> > >>
> > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > >
> > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
> You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ

While some longtime members were excluded.

Thus the guidelines are bogus.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:01:21 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > > >>>
> > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> > > >>
> > > >> <snip>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> > > >>>
> > > >> <snip>
> > > >>
> > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > > >
> > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
> > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
> While some longtime members were excluded.
>
> Thus the guidelines are bogus.

You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything for the Guidelines. Read the thread. You attacked Michael, Clay and Spam-I-Am, made several embarrassing "typos" and brought up Barfly (for some reason). The Guidelines would/will make AAPC a better group, if everyone would follow them. Also, George Dance didn't tell the truth (above).

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:01:21 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> <snip>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread..
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> <snip>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > > > >
> > > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> > > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> > > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> > > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> > > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> > > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
> > > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
> > While some longtime members were excluded.
> >
> > Thus the guidelines are bogus.
>
> You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything for the Guidelines. Read the thread. You attacked Michael, Clay and Spam-I-Am, made several embarrassing "typos" and brought up Barfly (for some reason). The Guidelines would/will make AAPC a better group, if everyone would follow them. Also, George Dance didn't tell the truth (above).

D'oh! Damn that pesky record!!

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:01:21 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > > >>>
> > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> > > >>
> > > >> <snip>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> > > >>>
> > > >> <snip>
> > > >>
> > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > > >
> > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
> > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
> While some longtime members were excluded.
>
> Thus the guidelines are bogus.

Why is it bogus, because members of AAPC were allowed to be involved and not suffer under your "do as sWill says" over posting hegemony?

NancyGene wrote:

> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:01:21 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
>> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>> > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> <snip>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >> <snip>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>> > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>> > > >
>> > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
>> > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
>> > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
>> > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
>> > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
>> > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
>> > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
>> While some longtime members were excluded.
>>
>> Thus the guidelines are bogus.

> You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything for the Guidelines. Read the thread. You attacked Michael, Clay

A forgery, my son does not post to this group.

HTH and HAND.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:01:21 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> <snip>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> <snip>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > > > >
> > > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> > > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> > > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> > > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> > > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> > > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
> > > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
> > While some longtime members were excluded.
> >
> > Thus the guidelines are bogus.
>
> You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything

Would Pen have accepted Doc's suggestions...?

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:01:21 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> <snip>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread..
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> <snip>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > > > >
> > > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> > > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> > > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> > > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> > > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> > > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
> > > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
> > While some longtime members were excluded.
> >
> > Thus the guidelines are bogus.
> You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything for the Guidelines. Read the thread. You attacked Michael, Clay and Spam-I-Am, made several embarrassing "typos" and brought up Barfly (for some reason). The Guidelines would/will make AAPC a better group, if everyone would follow them. Also, George Dance didn't tell the truth (above).

The Guidelines are just a common resource, a tool.
Tools are only helpful to those skilled in their use.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:31:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>
> >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> >>>
> >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> >>>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> >
> > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.

George you already did your damnedest to confuse anyone that may be interested in the truth. As you always say, you do the fake news and propaganda like your think you're some kind of pro.

IIRC, I suggested using the old FAQ that Will wanted to go by, and now somehow that FAQ is now bogus even though he wanted to use it.

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:01:21 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
>> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>> > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> <snip>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >> <snip>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>> > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>> > > >
>> > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
>> > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
>> > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
>> > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
>> > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
>> > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
>> > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
>> While some longtime members were excluded.
>>
>> Thus the guidelines are bogus.

> Why is it bogus, because members of AAPC were allowed

No... because some members were NOT allowed... try to keep up, Ash...!

On 2022-11-13 4:57 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>
>>>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>>>>
>>>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>>>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>>>
>>> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
>> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
>> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
>> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
>> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
>> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
>
> You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ

I'm more than happy to accept that correction, NancyGene, since that
makes my point even stronger. It turns out the Guidelines were not
written until 2021 -- not, as Michael's been claiming, over a four-year
period, but over a five-week period.

I see that you and Ash made some wording suggestions, while Spam-a-Lot
merely raised the same point that I'm raising -- that these "GLs"
should not be used PJR-style to troll participants -- and that Michael
actually promised that they would not be used that way.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-13 4:57 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>>>>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>>>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>>>>
>>>> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
>>> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
>>> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
>>> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
>>> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
>>> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
>>
>> You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ

> I'm more than happy to accept that correction, NancyGene, since that
> makes my point even stronger. It turns out the Guidelines were not
> written until 2021 -- not, as Michael's been claiming, over a four-year
> period, but over a five-week period.

> I see that you and Ash made some wording suggestions, while Spam-a-Lot
> merely raised the same point that I'm raising -- that these "GLs"
> should not be used PJR-style to troll participants -- and that Michael
> actually promised that they would not be used that way.

Interesting update.

On 2022-11-13 5:36 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:31:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>
>>>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>>>>
>>>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>>>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>>>
>>> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
>> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
>> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
>> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
>> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
>> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
>
> George you already did your damnedest to confuse anyone that may be interested in the truth.

The truth is shit-simple, and what NG just posted confirmed it. The
"GLs" have not been around since 1999 (as Robert claimed), were not
developed over a four-year period (as Michael claimed), and were never
intended to be used PJR-style to troll any participants.

> As you always say, you do the fake news and propaganda like your think you're some kind of pro.
>

No, Ash, that is not true. That's something you always say, while never
providing any proof or evidence to back it up; you just repeat the same
false stories in the hope that you say if you say it enough, someone
might believe you. That, believe it or not, is the most basic of all
propaganda techniques, called (when the other side uses it) the "Big
Lie" technique.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

> IIRC, I suggested using the old FAQ that Will wanted to go by, and now somehow that FAQ is now bogus even though he wanted to use it.

The FAQ, either the old one or the one Michael wrote, is fine, as long
as it's used only as a tool for new participants to look things up, not
as an excuse to troll them.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:51:56 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-13 4:57 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> >>>>>
> >>>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> >>>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> >>>>
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> >>>>>
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>
> >>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> >>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> >>>
> >>> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> >> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> >> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> >> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> >> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> >> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
> >
> > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
> I'm more than happy to accept that correction, NancyGene, since that
> makes my point even stronger. It turns out the Guidelines were not
> written until 2021 -- not, as Michael's been claiming, over a four-year
> period, but over a five-week period.
>
> I see that you and Ash made some wording suggestions, while Spam-a-Lot
> merely raised the same point that I'm raising -- that these "GLs"
> should not be used PJR-style to troll participants -- and that Michael
> actually promised that they would not be used that way.

Stop lying, George.

The FAQs' first appearance, and discussion, was in 2017. I have posted the link for you several times now.

The GLs were developed as a separate part of the FAQs in 2019. They were necessitated because several items proposed for the FAQs were better suited to Guidelines.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-13 5:36 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:31:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>>>>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>>>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>>>>
>>>> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
>>> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
>>> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
>>> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
>>> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
>>> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
>>
>> George you already did your damnedest to confuse anyone that may be interested in the truth.

> The truth is shit-simple, and what NG just posted confirmed it. The
> "GLs" have not been around since 1999 (as Robert claimed), were not
> developed over a four-year period (as Michael claimed), and were never
> intended to be used PJR-style to troll any participants.

>> As you always say, you do the fake news and propaganda like your think you're some kind of pro.
>>

> No, Ash, that is not true. That's something you always say, while never
> providing any proof or evidence to back it up; you just repeat the same
> false stories in the hope that you say if you say it enough, someone
> might believe you. That, believe it or not, is the most basic of all
> propaganda techniques, called (when the other side uses it) the "Big
> Lie" technique.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

As usual, Ash just makes it up as he goes along.

>> IIRC, I suggested using the old FAQ that Will wanted to go by, and now somehow that FAQ is now bogus even though he wanted to use it.

> The FAQ, either the old one or the one Michael wrote, is fine, as long
> as it's used only as a tool for new participants to look things up, not
> as an excuse to troll them.

On 2022-11-13 5:34 p.m., General-Zod wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:01:21 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote: >
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote: > >
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis > > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon
>> the fading brow > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy
>> air > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the
>> hectic glow > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html > > > >>> > > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with? > > > >>> > > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in > > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with: > > > >> > > > >> <snip> > > > >>> > > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread. > > > >>> > > > >> <snip> > > > >> > > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to > > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop. > > > > > > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael? > > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or > > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in > > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late > > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or > > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup. > > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC. > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ > While some longtime members were excluded. > > Thus the guidelines are bogus.
>> You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything
>
> Would Pen have accepted Doc's suggestions...?
Notice that the one you proposed (don't post using the names of other
group participants or their families) was simply ignored. If Will had
tried to participate, he'd have got the same treatment.

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 12:46:26 AM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:51:56 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-13 4:57 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > >>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > >>>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <snip>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> <snip>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > >>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > >>>
> > >>> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> > >> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> > >> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> > >> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> > >> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> > >> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
> > >
> > > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
> > I'm more than happy to accept that correction, NancyGene, since that
> > makes my point even stronger. It turns out the Guidelines were not
> > written until 2021 -- not, as Michael's been claiming, over a four-year
> > period, but over a five-week period.
> >
> > I see that you and Ash made some wording suggestions, while Spam-a-Lot
> > merely raised the same point that I'm raising -- that these "GLs"
> > should not be used PJR-style to troll participants -- and that Michael
> > actually promised that they would not be used that way.
> Stop lying, George.
>
> The FAQs' first appearance, and discussion, was in 2017. I have posted the link for you several times now.

FAQs for AAPC have been in development and evolving for more than 20 years.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/CFpWAFcK5KI/m/oNXi0zTyH1IJ
December 2, 1999 - FAQs but sure look like guidelines.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/fi4oa104J1I/m/Nu_Cd18-X08J
September 29, 1999 – FAQs but sure look like guidelines.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/e-SQiyVYLQQ/m/mqz6J5AUriQJ
May 2, 1999 – FAQs but sure look like guidelines.

> The GLs were developed as a separate part of the FAQs in 2019. They were necessitated because several items proposed for the FAQs were better suited to Guidelines.

All the attempts at FAQs and Guidelines are proof that those rules and suggestions were and are needed on AAPC.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:02:17 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-13 5:34 p.m., General-Zod wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:01:21 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote: >
> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote: > >
> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis > > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon
> >> the fading brow > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy
> >> air > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the
> >> hectic glow > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html > > > >>> > > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with? > > > >>> > > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in > > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with: > > > >> > > > >> <snip> > > > >>> > > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread. > > > >>> > > > >> <snip> > > > >> > > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to > > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop. > > > > > > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael? > > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or > > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in > > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late > > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or > > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup. > > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC. > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ > While some longtime members were excluded. > > Thus the guidelines are bogus.
> >> You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything
> >
> > Would Pen have accepted Doc's suggestions...?
> Notice that the one you proposed (don't post using the names of other
> group participants or their families) was simply ignored. If Will had
> tried to participate, he'd have got the same treatment.

Liar.

That is addressed in 5):

Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century.

You may have only recently discovered this group, but it has been around for a while, and therefore has a decades long history of archived posts that are accessible via the search function.

Start there. Learn from our history in order to not repeat our mistakes.

Then, before you post, please think about being interesting. We lose more visitors here due to lack of interest than any other single cause.

AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.

But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:

1) Treat other members with some semblance of civility. Like generates like.. If you treat others with a little respect, they’ll probably return the favor.

2) Post On-Topic. The topic here is Poetry, so post an original poem or comment on someone else’s poetry. If you want to discuss folk music, “Star Trek,” comic books or post videos of the “talent” at your local karaoke bar, you’re in the wrong group.

3) Don’t over post. Limiting one’s posts to 10 per day is greatly appreciated. Making 25 posts per day can be damned annoying; so unless you’re the most interesting and knowledgeable writer on the planet, save it for your personal blog.

4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.

5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.

6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
*Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.

7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.

8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.

9) Don’t feed the trolls.

FAQs:

1. WHAT IS AAPC?
Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
is clear and enjoyable to the reader.

2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
kind even without the C&C designation.

3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
-- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
takes too much time.
-- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
-- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
(wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
-- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.

4. HOW MANY POEMS SHOULD I POST AT A TIME?
While there is no limit to the number of poems you can post at a
sitting, people are most likely to read and respond to your poem if you
post no more than two or three at a time. And as mentioned above, since
there are many poems posted each day, a shorter work is more likely to
receive comments.

5. WHAT KIND OF HEADER SHOULD I USE?
Use the title of the poem, if it has one. If you can't decide on a
title, try a header like: "Need a Title..." to let the reader know you'd
appreciate comments on that subject. If it is your first poem-post, it
is fine to use the header "First Poem" or "First Post". Do not use
headers designed strictly to get attention, and it is preferable not to
use headers that have nothing to do with your poem.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-13 5:34 p.m., General-Zod wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:01:21 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote: >
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote: > >
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis > > >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon
>>> the fading brow > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy
>>> air > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the
>>> hectic glow > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html > > > >>> > > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with? > > > >>> > > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in > > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with: > > > >> > > > >> <snip> > > > >>> > > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread. > > > >>> > > > >> <snip> > > > >> > > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to > > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop. > > > > > > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael? > > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or > > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in > > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late > > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or > > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup. > > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC. > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ > While some longtime members were excluded. > > Thus the guidelines are bogus.
>>> You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything
>>
>> Would Pen have accepted Doc's suggestions...?

> Notice that the one you proposed (don't post using the names of other
> group participants or their families) was simply ignored. If Will had
> tried to participate, he'd have got the same treatment.

And, one of NancyGene's favorite stunts, posting full street addresses and anything else she can stalk up about an enemy of hers.

HTH and HAND.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:55:14 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:01:21 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
> > > > > >> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> <snip>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread..
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> <snip>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
> > > > > >> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
> > > > > I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
> > > > > (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
> > > > > either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
> > > > > 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
> > > > > support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
> > > > You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
> > > While some longtime members were excluded.
> > >
> > > Thus the guidelines are bogus.
> >
> > You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything
> Would Pen have accepted Doc's suggestions...?

I doubt it.

On 2022-11-13 8:07 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:02:17 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-13 5:34 p.m., General-Zod wrote:
>>>> You (Will Dockery) didn't suggest anything
>>>
>>> Would Pen have accepted Doc's suggestions...?
>> Notice that the one you proposed (don't post using the names of other
>> group participants or their families) was simply ignored. If Will had
>> tried to participate, he'd have got the same treatment.
>
> Liar.
>
> That is addressed in 5):
>

Really? Let's take a look:

>
> 5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.
>

Nothing there about using other people's names, or the names of their
family members.

At least you're back to telling easily debunked lies on this thread.

> 6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
> *Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.
>
> 7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.
>
> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
>
> 9) Don’t feed the trolls.
>
> FAQs:
>
> 1. WHAT IS AAPC?
> Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
> for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
> before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
> for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
> images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
> is clear and enjoyable to the reader.
>
> 2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
> Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
> in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
> indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
> group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
> kind even without the C&C designation.
>
> 3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
> There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
> there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
> -- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
> internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
> contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
> attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
> in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
> takes too much time.
> -- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
> handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
> will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
> on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
> to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
> plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
> -- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
> (wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
> automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
> -- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
> caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.
>
> 4. HOW MANY POEMS SHOULD I POST AT A TIME?
> While there is no limit to the number of poems you can post at a
> sitting, people are most likely to read and respond to your poem if you
> post no more than two or three at a time. And as mentioned above, since
> there are many poems posted each day, a shorter work is more likely to
> receive comments.
>
> 5. WHAT KIND OF HEADER SHOULD I USE?
> Use the title of the poem, if it has one. If you can't decide on a
> title, try a header like: "Need a Title..." to let the reader know you'd
> appreciate comments on that subject. If it is your first poem-post, it
> is fine to use the header "First Poem" or "First Post". Do not use
> headers designed strictly to get attention, and it is preferable not to
> use headers that have nothing to do with your poem.
>
> 6. DO I HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE FOR MY POEM?
> Not necessarily - see #5.
>
> 7. DO I HAVE TO WRITE A CERTAIN KIND OF POETRY?
> AAPC has poets who use all forms and styles of poetry. The group
> includes but is not limited to free verse, tanka, haiku, sonnet,
> sestina.... Feel free to use the poetic form you are most comfortable
> with, or to post experiments in forms. There are several poets who are
> quite knowledgeable and can help you with the rules of certain poetic
> forms.
>
> 8. WHAT IF I DON'T GET ANY COMMENTS?
> There could be several reasons for the lack of comments. Most likely it
> is because the group is following the old rule: "If you can't say
> nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all." The readers might not have
> understood your poem or liked it. Sometimes posts are ignored because
> of too much bad spelling, grammar or punctuation, which can distract the
> reader from the content of the poem and make it frustrating to get
> through.
> Check your post again; look for typos, correct any errors that you find,
> and repost it in a few days with the note that it has been revised.
> It is an (until now) unspoken rule, though, that it is best to read the
> group for a few days, contribute some comments of your own, then post
> your poem once people have noticed you and gotten to know you. Many
> readers are more comfortable commenting when they've seen you around for
> awhile and know that you are interested in what they have to say.
> Also, consider the length of your post. Since there are many poems
> posted every day, a shorter work is more likely to receive comments.
>
> 9. SHOULD I RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS I RECEIVE?
> Definitely! Even if you don't agree with the comment, it is a courtesy
> to make a brief response to show you appreciated the time taken to read
> and reply to your poem. If you repeatedly do not respond to comments on
> your work, you may find that readers stop commenting altogether.
>
> 10. WHEN AND HOW SHOULD I COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS?
> All posts are open to comments. Feel free to point out what
> specifically you liked about the poem: what lines, images, words did you
> find particularly interesting or captivating? At the same time, you can
> also point out any changes you feel might enhance the poem. If you feel
> a word in a certain place is awkward, feel free to comment on it and
> suggest a suitable replacement word if you can. It isn't necessary to
> give a detailed commentary on each poem, though; in general, the poet
> will appreciate knowing you read the poem, so a few words to indicate
> you read and enjoyed it are always nice.
>
> 11. IS IT OK TO EMAIL MY COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE POET?
> This is usually a matter of personal preference. If you have become
> familiar with the poet through other posts to the newsgroup, it is
> generally acceptable. If you do not know the person, they may ignore
> your email, so it is preferable to post to the group.
>
> 12. CAN I REWRITE SOMEONE'S POEM FOR THEM?
> If you feel comfortable doing so, the poet will usually appreciate the
> effort involved. Rewriting sections or giving comments on specific
> lines are welcome as well.
>
> 13. DO YOU HAVE IRC CHATS OR OTHER SCHEDULED GATHERINGS?
> Not as of this writing (February 1999). There is a semi-official AAPC
> chat room but it has never been used for a formal AAPC chat. There has
> also been some banter on having a picnic in the summer of 1999, but no
> volunteer hosts as of yet.
>
> 14. ARE THERE ANY AAPC-RELATED WEB SITES?
> Many of the poets have their own sites, and most list them in their
> signature files or post notices of updates to the newsgroup.
>
> 15. ARE THERE ANY PUBLISHED / FAMOUS / INFAMOUS POETS IN THE GROUP?
> Depends on who you ask! The vast majority of the poets have had some of
> their work published. Some are published widely in anthologies and
> well-respected poetry journals. No one has made a million from their
> poetry, but we have our suspicions on who will be famous someday.
>
> 16. DO POETRY EDITORS READ THE NEWSGROUP?
> Some participants are editors of poetry journals, both on-line and
> print. Quite possibly there are other editors who "lurk" (read but
> don't post).
>
> 17. MIGHT I BE OFFERED A BOOK CONTRACT BY POSTING MY POETRY HERE?
> Not likely. If you are, be very suspicious of it.
>
> 18. WHAT IS CONSIDERED "OFF-TOPIC"?
> Poets by their nature enjoy tangents. You'll see a lot of threads
> beginning with a poem and going off in a sometimes bizarre, completely
> unrelated direction.
> By and large, keep your original posts (not part of an existing thread)
> limited to your own poetry, or questions about poetry.
>
> 19. DO I HAVE TO USE MY REAL NAME?
> Internet handles are okay, many regulars use them. To build
> familiarity, stick to the same one, or use your real name.

On 2022-11-13 5:19 p.m., NancyGene wrote:

Also, George Dance didn't tell the truth (above).

I said (above) that Michael wrote the Guidelines in 2019 and 2020 mainly
if not completely on his own. Your proof that he presented a draft of
them for Team Monkey's approval in January 2021 was valuable new
information, which I didn't have and which I thanked you for, but
doesn't disprove anything I've said.

OTOH, it does disprove Michael's claim that y'all had been working on
the GLs since 2017 (which is why I thanked you).

On 2022-11-13 4:57 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:31:52 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-12 5:20 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:

>>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>>>
>>> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
>

>> I don['t know if you're confusing Michael's "GLs" with the aapc FAQ, or
>> (like Michael) you just want to confuse anyone else reading, but in
>> either case you're wrong. The "OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" were written in late
>> 2019 and/or early 2020, apparently by Michael himself with no input or
>> support from anyone else to be seen on the newsgroup.
>
> You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ

On 2022-11-12 11:19 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 5:20:09 AM UTC-5, Robert Burrows wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-05 10:57 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:42:04 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-01 4:05 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:54:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:13:28 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>
>>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>>>
>>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>>>> 5) Flame wars happen – especially in unmoderated groups like this one. However, there are certain lines that no one should ever cross. Don’t attack your opponent’s family members (unless he/she introduces them into the discussion). And remember that what happens on AAPC stays at AAPC. Don’t threaten to contact your opponent’s spouse, employer, etc.
>>>>
>>>> 6) Don’t repeat or bump posts. If you post an original poem and no one comments on it… tough cookies. Lack of response means that no one found it interesting enough to warrant one. If you must repost it, at least have the decency to wait a year or seven. While you’re waiting you can write something new and try posting it instead. Similarly, if you must bump, please limit yourself to one bump per poem or post.
>>>> *Seasonal poems, however, can be bumped/reposted each year.
>>>>
>>>> 7) Don’t respond to a post unless you have something of value to contribute to the thread. One word replies, and generic responses such as "I agree" and "yep" and "You nailed it" and "having another read" should be avoided. Comments mean comments, not clichés.
>>>>
>>>> 8) Don’t post and run. If you post a famous poem, make an original comment on it. We all have, or are capable of subscribing to, Poem a Day. We don’t need to read (or reread) every single poem that you do. If you like a poem, but can’t think of anything to say about it, don’t post it.
>>>>
>>>> 9) Don’t feed the trolls.
>>>>
>>>> FAQs:
>>>>
>>>> 1. WHAT IS AAPC?
>>>> Alt.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet group of poets who share their work
>>>> for comments or critiques. Some poets use the group as a sounding board
>>>> before submitting their poem(s) to literary magazines. Most are looking
>>>> for advice or help in fine-tuning their writing, developing better
>>>> images, improving their use of language, and making sure their writing
>>>> is clear and enjoyable to the reader.
>>>>
>>>> 2. WHAT DOES C&C MEAN?
>>>> Generally, Comments & Critiques (or Criticism). Some writers put this
>>>> in the header of their post (i.e. "Lazy Day Poem - C&C Please") to
>>>> indicate that they want comments on their poem. However, since the
>>>> group is devoted to comments, most posts will receive a reply of some
>>>> kind even without the C&C designation.
>>>>
>>>> 3. HOW SHOULD I POST MY POETRY?
>>>> There are no cut-and-dried rules for posting poetry to AAPC. However,
>>>> there are a few "don'ts" that are fairly broadly agreed upon:
>>>> -- Do not post your poem as an attachment to your message. Most
>>>> internet users are aware that dangerous computer viruses can be
>>>> contained in Microsoft Word documents, and will ignore .doc
>>>> attachments. In general, it is easier on the reader to include the poem
>>>> in the body of the post; downloading and opening attachments usually
>>>> takes too much time.
>>>> -- Do not post using HTML. Some newsgroup-reading software cannot
>>>> handle HTML posts, and some automatically reject them, so not everyone
>>>> will see your post. They also are larger in size and take up more space
>>>> on the computer and more bandwidth in transmission. Most software used
>>>> to read and post newsgroups allows you to choose between posting as
>>>> plain text or HTML; choose the plain text option.
>>>> -- Do not attach pictures (binaries, gifs, jpegs, etc.) or sound files
>>>> (wavs, midis, mpegs, etc.) to your posts. Again, some news servers will
>>>> automatically reject them, so not everyone will see your post.
>>>> -- Do not type your poem or message in all capital letters. Using all
>>>> caps is universally considered "shouting" in newsgroups and chat rooms.
>>>>
>>>> 4. HOW MANY POEMS SHOULD I POST AT A TIME?
>>>> While there is no limit to the number of poems you can post at a
>>>> sitting, people are most likely to read and respond to your poem if you
>>>> post no more than two or three at a time. And as mentioned above, since
>>>> there are many poems posted each day, a shorter work is more likely to
>>>> receive comments.
>>>>
>>>> 5. WHAT KIND OF HEADER SHOULD I USE?
>>>> Use the title of the poem, if it has one. If you can't decide on a
>>>> title, try a header like: "Need a Title..." to let the reader know you'd
>>>> appreciate comments on that subject. If it is your first poem-post, it
>>>> is fine to use the header "First Poem" or "First Post". Do not use
>>>> headers designed strictly to get attention, and it is preferable not to
>>>> use headers that have nothing to do with your poem.
>>>>
>>>> 6. DO I HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE FOR MY POEM?
>>>> Not necessarily - see #5.
>>>>
>>>> 7. DO I HAVE TO WRITE A CERTAIN KIND OF POETRY?
>>>> AAPC has poets who use all forms and styles of poetry. The group
>>>> includes but is not limited to free verse, tanka, haiku, sonnet,
>>>> sestina.... Feel free to use the poetic form you are most comfortable
>>>> with, or to post experiments in forms. There are several poets who are
>>>> quite knowledgeable and can help you with the rules of certain poetic
>>>> forms.
>>>>
>>>> 8. WHAT IF I DON'T GET ANY COMMENTS?
>>>> There could be several reasons for the lack of comments. Most likely it
>>>> is because the group is following the old rule: "If you can't say
>>>> nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all." The readers might not have
>>>> understood your poem or liked it. Sometimes posts are ignored because
>>>> of too much bad spelling, grammar or punctuation, which can distract the
>>>> reader from the content of the poem and make it frustrating to get
>>>> through.
>>>> Check your post again; look for typos, correct any errors that you find,
>>>> and repost it in a few days with the note that it has been revised.
>>>> It is an (until now) unspoken rule, though, that it is best to read the
>>>> group for a few days, contribute some comments of your own, then post
>>>> your poem once people have noticed you and gotten to know you. Many
>>>> readers are more comfortable commenting when they've seen you around for
>>>> awhile and know that you are interested in what they have to say.
>>>> Also, consider the length of your post. Since there are many poems
>>>> posted every day, a shorter work is more likely to receive comments.
>>>>
>>>> 9. SHOULD I RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS I RECEIVE?
>>>> Definitely! Even if you don't agree with the comment, it is a courtesy
>>>> to make a brief response to show you appreciated the time taken to read
>>>> and reply to your poem. If you repeatedly do not respond to comments on
>>>> your work, you may find that readers stop commenting altogether.
>>>>
>>>> 10. WHEN AND HOW SHOULD I COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS?
>>>> All posts are open to comments. Feel free to point out what
>>>> specifically you liked about the poem: what lines, images, words did you
>>>> find particularly interesting or captivating? At the same time, you can
>>>> also point out any changes you feel might enhance the poem. If you feel
>>>> a word in a certain place is awkward, feel free to comment on it and
>>>> suggest a suitable replacement word if you can. It isn't necessary to
>>>> give a detailed commentary on each poem, though; in general, the poet
>>>> will appreciate knowing you read the poem, so a few words to indicate
>>>> you read and enjoyed it are always nice.
>>>>
>>>> 11. IS IT OK TO EMAIL MY COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE POET?
>>>> This is usually a matter of personal preference. If you have become
>>>> familiar with the poet through other posts to the newsgroup, it is
>>>> generally acceptable. If you do not know the person, they may ignore
>>>> your email, so it is preferable to post to the group.
>>>>
>>>> 12. CAN I REWRITE SOMEONE'S POEM FOR THEM?
>>>> If you feel comfortable doing so, the poet will usually appreciate the
>>>> effort involved. Rewriting sections or giving comments on specific
>>>> lines are welcome as well.
>>>>
>>>> 13. DO YOU HAVE IRC CHATS OR OTHER SCHEDULED GATHERINGS?
>>>> Not as of this writing (February 1999). There is a semi-official AAPC
>>>> chat room but it has never been used for a formal AAPC chat. There has
>>>> also been some banter on having a picnic in the summer of 1999, but no
>>>> volunteer hosts as of yet.
>>>>
>>>> 14. ARE THERE ANY AAPC-RELATED WEB SITES?
>>>> Many of the poets have their own sites, and most list them in their
>>>> signature files or post notices of updates to the newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> 15. ARE THERE ANY PUBLISHED / FAMOUS / INFAMOUS POETS IN THE GROUP?
>>>> Depends on who you ask! The vast majority of the poets have had some of
>>>> their work published. Some are published widely in anthologies and
>>>> well-respected poetry journals. No one has made a million from their
>>>> poetry, but we have our suspicions on who will be famous someday.
>>>>
>>>> 16. DO POETRY EDITORS READ THE NEWSGROUP?
>>>> Some participants are editors of poetry journals, both on-line and
>>>> print. Quite possibly there are other editors who "lurk" (read but
>>>> don't post).
>>>>
>>>> 17. MIGHT I BE OFFERED A BOOK CONTRACT BY POSTING MY POETRY HERE?
>>>> Not likely. If you are, be very suspicious of it.
>>>>
>>>> 18. WHAT IS CONSIDERED "OFF-TOPIC"?
>>>> Poets by their nature enjoy tangents. You'll see a lot of threads
>>>> beginning with a poem and going off in a sometimes bizarre, completely
>>>> unrelated direction.
>>>> By and large, keep your original posts (not part of an existing thread)
>>>> limited to your own poetry, or questions about poetry.
>>>>
>>>> 19. DO I HAVE TO USE MY REAL NAME?
>>>> Internet handles are okay, many regulars use them. To build
>>>> familiarity, stick to the same one, or use your real name.
>> The guidelines were written in 1999, why do you attribute them to Michael?
>
> I proposed that we rewrite the GLs in 2017 (with George's encouragement and support): https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en

On 2022-11-12 10:42 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 9:49:18 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:48:57 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-11-09 10:19 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To October, by William Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How bright, loved month, upon the fading brow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of yonder hill, with melancholy air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreads thy sweet smile! How bright the hectic glow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of dying beauty on thy cheek so fair!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/to-october-william-curtis.html
>>>>
>>>> So, George... apart from their being unenforced "rules," what part's of the GLs/FAQs do you disagree with?
>>>>
>>
>>> I don't have to ask you the same thing, Michael, as your behavior in
>>> three PPB threads tells us which parts of the GLs you disagree with:
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>>>>
>>>> 4) Don’t hijack other people’s threads. If a thread’s topic is “Walt Whitman,” you should only make a comment pertaining to Walt Whitman. If you wish to discuss a poem you’ve written that was inspired by Mr. Whitman, start your own thread.
>>>>
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>>> Over the past two weeks, you've hijacked every PPB thread to post and to
>>> post about these "GLs" of yours. Please stop.
>> Voodoo Boy should try to practice what he preaches,....
>
> Time for our daily incantation. Thank you for reminding me, Stinkman.
>
>
> Die Stink, die.
> Stop stinking up the place

That's probably just your "GLs" you smell, Michael.

<snip>

On 2022-11-13 7:46 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:51:56 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-13 4:57 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>>>
>>> You are not telling the truth, George Dance. The Guidelines draft was posted by Michael on January 20, 2021, and there were several suggestions for additions and changes to the GLs from other members of AAPC.

>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg/m/n-XiebnaAAAJ
>> I'm more than happy to accept that correction, NancyGene, since that
>> makes my point even stronger. It turns out the Guidelines were not
>> written until 2021 -- not, as Michael's been claiming, over a four-year
>> period, but over a five-week period.
>>
>> I see that you and Ash made some wording suggestions, while Spam-a-Lot
>> merely raised the same point that I'm raising -- that these "GLs"
>> should not be used PJR-style to troll participants -- and that Michael
>> actually promised that they would not be used that way.
>
> Stop lying, George.
>
> The FAQs' first appearance, and discussion, was in 2017.

The FAQ is not the"GLs", Michael; stop trying to confuse them. You came
up with the "GL" idea years later, at the end of 2019.

> I have posted the link for you several times now.

And I've read it and commented on it. The gist of that discussion was: a
new FAQ was a great idea, but it was not to be used the way PJ Ross used
the old FAQ, to troll other people posting here to force their
"compliance".

> The GLs were developed as a separate part of the FAQs in 2019. They were necessitated because several items proposed for the FAQs were better suited to Guidelines.

We can understand very well why they were "necessitated". You couldn't
use your new FAQ to troll other people posting here, so you needed the
"GLS" so you could troll them using those instead.