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* Ping: Robert and MichaelEdward Rochester Esq.
+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelMichael Pendragon
|+- Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelEdward Rochester Esq.
|+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelGeorge J. Dance
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||| | | +- Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelSpam-I-Am
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||| | |`* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelGeorge J. Dance
||| | | `* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelMichael Pendragon
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||| | |     `- Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelSpam-I-Am
||| | +* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelRobert Burrows
||| | |+- Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
||| | |`* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelGeorge J. Dance
||| | | `* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelRobert Burrows
||| | |  `* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelW.Dockery
||| | |   +- Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelMichael Pendragon
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||| | |    `* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
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||| | |     |`* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelSpam-I-Am
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||| | |     | `* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelRobert Burrows
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||| | |     |  |`- Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelW.Dockery
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||| | `- Re: Ping: Robert and Michaeljdcha...@gmail.com
||| `* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
|||  `* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelME
|||   `- Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelAsh Wurthing
||+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
|||`- Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelSpam-I-Am
||+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
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|||   `* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelGeorge J. Dance
|||    `* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelMichael Pendragon
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|||      +* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelMichael Pendragon
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||+- Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelGeneral-Zod
||`* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
|+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelRobert Burrows
|+- Re: Ping: Robert and Michaeljdcha...@gmail.com
|+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
|+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
|+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
|+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
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|+* Re: Ping: Robert and MichaelWill Dockery
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 by: Will Dockery - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 07:29 UTC

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:43:40 AM UTC-5, Family Guy wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:40:26 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-5, cocodeso...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I never waited in bed with my pajama pants pulled down. Did you?
> >
> > I still do, just about every night.
> Invite the Dockery and Zod over and you won't be disappointed.

Your ongoing fantasy is noted, Dink.

🙂

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Subject: Re: Ping: Robert and Michael
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 by: Michael Pendragon - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 13:41 UTC

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:41:57 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:30:50 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> > >>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> >> blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> > >> stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> > >> bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> > >> father to come in to beat him.
> > >> >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> > >> >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> > >> ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> > >> >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> > >> >>>> poems - this one
> > >> >>>>
> > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> > >> happened to
> > >> >>>> me.
> > >> >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> > >> ‘spanking’?
> > >> >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> > >> >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> > >> for him…..
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> You are lying again dance.
> > >> >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> > >> >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> > >> >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> > >> >> already told you that.
> > >> >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> > >> >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> > >> >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> > >> >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> > >> >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> > >> >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> > >> >
> > >> > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> >
> > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely based on my own experiences"?
> >
> > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> >
> >
> > >> > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> >
> > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again, we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >
> > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> >
> > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> >
> > >> Plus, you're
> > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> >
> > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> >
> > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to "use" it?
> >
> > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> >
> > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> >
> > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> >
> > >> > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> >
> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> >> something better.
> >
> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..." (immediately above).
> > And you need to brush up on your definitions: You poem is not "evidence" of your mental condition; rather, it presents one of the contributing factors.. The *evidence* of your condition is in your paranoid rants against, Jim, Ash, Robert, myself, and others.
>
> So you admit to trolling George, Pendragon?

Learn to read, you jackass. George admitted that he had been trolling me.

Note the quotation marks. You do know what quotation marks are, don't you? They're the pair of parallel lines that look like this: ".

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 by: Spam-I-Am - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 13:51 UTC

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:41:29 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:41:57 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:30:50 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> > > >>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>> >> blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> > > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> > > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> > > >> stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> > > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> > > >> bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> > > >> father to come in to beat him.
> > > >> >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> > > >> >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> > > >> ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> > > >> >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> > > >> >>>> poems - this one
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> > > >> happened to
> > > >> >>>> me.
> > > >> >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> > > >> ‘spanking’?
> > > >> >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> > > >> >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> > > >> for him…..
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> You are lying again dance.
> > > >> >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> > > >> >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> > > >> >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> > > >> >> already told you that.
> > > >> >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> > > >> >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> > > >> >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> > > >> >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> > > >> >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> > > >> >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > >
> > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely based on my own experiences"?
> > >
> > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > >
> > >
> > > >> > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > >
> > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again, we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >
> > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > >
> > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > >
> > > >> Plus, you're
> > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > >
> > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > >
> > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to "use" it?
> > >
> > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > >
> > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > >
> > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > >
> > > >> > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > >
> > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > >> something better.
> > >
> > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..." (immediately above).
> > > And you need to brush up on your definitions: You poem is not "evidence" of your mental condition; rather, it presents one of the contributing factors.. The *evidence* of your condition is in your paranoid rants against, Jim, Ash, Robert, myself, and others.
> >
> > So you admit to trolling George, Pendragon?
> Learn to read, you jackass. George admitted that he had been trolling me.
>
> Note the quotation marks. You do know what quotation marks are, don't you? They're the pair of parallel lines that look like this: ".

Oh for fuck’s sake. 🤦‍♂️

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 by: Will Dockery - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 14:59 UTC

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-26 4:33 p.m., ME wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 15:41:37 UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-26 2:06 p.m., ME wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 13:37:51 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5,
> blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> father to come in to beat him.
> >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> >>>> poems - this one
> >>>>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> >>>>
> >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> happened to
> >>>> me.
> >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> ‘spanking’?
> >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> for him…..
> >>>
> >>> You are lying again dance.
> >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> >> already told you that.
> >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced.
> >>>
> >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> >>>
> >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> >
> > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> just say so and be done with it.
> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have. Plus, you're
> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it." Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> something better.

George Dance makes his meaning clear, he's calling you a liar, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:59:11 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-26 4:33 p.m., ME wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 15:41:37 UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > wrote:
> > >>>> On 2022-11-26 2:06 p.m., ME wrote:
> > >>>>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 13:37:51 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5,
> > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5,
> > blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> > stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> > bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> > father to come in to beat him.
> > >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> > >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> > ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> > >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> > >>>> poems - this one
> > >>>>
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> > happened to
> > >>>> me.
> > >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> > ‘spanking’?
> > >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> > >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> > for him…..
> > >>>
> > >>> You are lying again dance.
> > >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> > >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> > >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> > >> already told you that.
> > >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced..
> > >>>
> > >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> > >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> > >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> > >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> > >>>
> > >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> > >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> > >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> > >
> > > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > just say so and be done with it.
> > You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > to get me to give you that true accound you don't have. Plus, you're
> > pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it." Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > something better.
> George Dance makes his meaning clear, he's calling you a liar, Pendragon.
>
>
> HTH and HAND.

Oh Heller, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you!

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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:04:19 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:59:11 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> > > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-26 4:33 p.m., ME wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 15:41:37 UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>> On 2022-11-26 2:06 p.m., ME wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 13:37:51 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5,
> > > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5,
> > > blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> > > stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> > > bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> > > father to come in to beat him.
> > > >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> > > >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> > > ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> > > >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> > > >>>> poems - this one
> > > >>>>
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> > > happened to
> > > >>>> me.
> > > >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> > > ‘spanking’?
> > > >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> > > >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> > > for him…..
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You are lying again dance.
> > > >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> > > >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> > > >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> > > >> already told you that.
> > > >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced.
> > > >>>
> > > >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> > > >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> > > >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> > > >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> > > >>>
> > > >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> > > >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> > > >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> > > >
> > > > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > just say so and be done with it.
> > > You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > to get me to give you that true accound you don't have. Plus, you're
> > > pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it." Not gonna happen, MMPJR..
> > > > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > something better.
> > George Dance makes his meaning clear, he's calling you a liar, Pendragon.
> >
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> Oh Heller, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you!

Good point.

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 by: Zod - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:34 UTC

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:59:11 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-26 4:33 p.m., ME wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 15:41:37 UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > wrote:
> > >>>> On 2022-11-26 2:06 p.m., ME wrote:
> > >>>>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 13:37:51 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5,
> > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5,
> > blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> > stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> > bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> > father to come in to beat him.
> > >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> > >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> > ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> > >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> > >>>> poems - this one
> > >>>>
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> > happened to
> > >>>> me.
> > >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> > ‘spanking’?
> > >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> > >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> > for him…..
> > >>>
> > >>> You are lying again dance.
> > >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> > >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> > >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> > >> already told you that.
> > >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced..
> > >>>
> > >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> > >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> > >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> > >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> > >>>
> > >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> > >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> > >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> > >
> > > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > just say so and be done with it.
> > You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > to get me to give you that true accound you don't have. Plus, you're
> > pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it." Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > something better.
> George Dance makes his meaning clear, he's calling you a liar, Pendragon.
>
>
> HTH and HAND.

Exactly.....

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:57 UTC

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:59:11 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> > > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-26 4:33 p.m., ME wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 15:41:37 UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>> On 2022-11-26 2:06 p.m., ME wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 13:37:51 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5,
> > > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5,
> > > blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> > > stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> > > bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> > > father to come in to beat him.
> > > >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> > > >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> > > ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> > > >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> > > >>>> poems - this one
> > > >>>>
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> > > happened to
> > > >>>> me.
> > > >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> > > ‘spanking’?
> > > >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> > > >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> > > for him…..
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You are lying again dance.
> > > >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> > > >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> > > >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> > > >> already told you that.
> > > >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced.
> > > >>>
> > > >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> > > >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> > > >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> > > >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> > > >>>
> > > >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> > > >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> > > >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> > > >
> > > > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > just say so and be done with it.
> > > You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > to get me to give you that true accound you don't have. Plus, you're
> > > pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it." Not gonna happen, MMPJR..
> > > > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > something better.
> > George Dance makes his meaning clear, he's calling you a liar, Pendragon.
> >
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> Exactly.....

Splooge #3 weighs in.

As expected.

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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:59:11 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> > > > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-11-26 4:33 p.m., ME wrote:
> > > > >>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 15:41:37 UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 2022-11-26 2:06 p.m., ME wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 13:37:51 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5,
> > > > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5,
> > > > blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> > > > stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> > > > bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> > > > father to come in to beat him.
> > > > >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> > > > >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> > > > ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> > > > >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> > > > >>>> poems - this one
> > > > >>>>
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> > > > happened to
> > > > >>>> me.
> > > > >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> > > > ‘spanking’?
> > > > >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> > > > >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> > > > for him…..
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> You are lying again dance.
> > > > >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> > > > >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> > > > >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> > > > >> already told you that.
> > > > >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> > > > >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> > > > >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> > > > >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> > > > >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> > > > >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> > > > >
> > > > > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > just say so and be done with it.
> > > > You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > to get me to give you that true accound you don't have. Plus, you're
> > > > pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it." Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > something better.
> > > George Dance makes his meaning clear, he's calling you a liar, Pendragon.
> > >
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > Exactly.....
> Splooge #3 weighs in.
>
> As expected.

Did sWill or Sod say something? I usually miss their responses because of TSDR*.
*Too Stupid Didn't Read

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 by: Zod - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 21:14 UTC

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:59:11 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> > > > bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> > > > father to come in to beat him.
> > > > >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> > > > >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> > > > ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> > > > >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> > > > >>>> poems - this one
> > > > >>>>
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> > > > happened to
> > > > >>>> me.
> > > > >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> > > > ‘spanking’?
> > > > >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> > > > >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> > > > for him…..
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> You are lying again dance.
> > > > >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> > > > >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> > > > >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> > > > >> already told you that.
> > > > >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> > > > >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> > > > >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> > > > >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> > > > >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> > > > >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> > > > >
> > > > > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > just say so and be done with it.
> > > > You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > to get me to give you that true accound you don't have. Plus, you're
> > > > pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it." Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > something better.
> > > George Dance makes his meaning clear, he's calling you a liar, Pendragon.
> > >
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > Exactly.....
> Splooge

Wipe your face... ha ha.

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 by: George J. Dance - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 21:57 UTC

On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
wrote:
>> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>
>>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
>> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
>> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
>> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
>> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
>> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
>
> What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
based on my own experiences"?

I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.

An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
"largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.

> Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.

As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
own beliefs about it.

>>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
>> just say so and be done with it.
>> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
>> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
>> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
>> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
>> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
>
> AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
>
> Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
>
> Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."

Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
you (should) know it.

>> Plus, you're
>> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
>> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
>
> If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.

Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
boy you are!

> As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
"use" it?
>
> A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.

But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).

>> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
>
> IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.

You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
embarrassed someone, now, would you?

>>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
>> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
>> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
>> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
>> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
>>
>> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
>> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
>> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
>> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
>> something better.
>
> How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
(immediately above).

It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.

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 by: W.Dockery - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 22:46 UTC

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> >
> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> based on my own experiences"?

> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.

> An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.

> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.

> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> own beliefs about it.

> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> >> just say so and be done with it.
> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> >
> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >
> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> >
> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."

> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> you (should) know it.

> >> Plus, you're
> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> >
> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.

> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> boy you are!

> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> "use" it?
> >
> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.

> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).

> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> >
> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.

> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> embarrassed someone, now, would you?

> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> >>
> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> >> something better.
> >
> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> (immediately above).

> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.

> <snip>

Well put, dare I say... nailed it?

:)

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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:29:55 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:43:40 AM UTC-5, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:40:26 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-5, cocodeso...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > I never waited in bed with my pajama pants pulled down. Did you?
> > >
> > > I still do, just about every night.
> > Invite the Dockery and Zod over and you won't be disappointed.
> Your ongoing fantasy is noted, Dink.
>
>
What fantasy? You two clearly have a homosexual relationship.

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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Family Guy wrote:
>
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 3:27:29 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> >> > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > >> On 2022-11-26 4:33 p.m., ME wrote:
> >> > >>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 15:41:37 UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>> On 2022-11-26 2:06 p.m., ME wrote:
> >> > >>>>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 13:37:51 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > >>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5,
> >> > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5,
> >> > blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> >> > stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> >> > bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> >> > father to come in to beat him.
> >> > >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> >> > >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> >> > ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> >> > >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> >> > >>>> poems - this one
> >> > >>>>
> >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> >> > happened to
> >> > >>>> me.
> >> > >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> >> > ‘spanking’?
> >> > >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> >> > >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> >> > for him…..
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> You are lying again dance.
> >> > >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> >> > >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> >> > >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> >> > >> already told you that.
> >> > >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced..
> >> > >>>
> >> > >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> >> > >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> >> > >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> >> > >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> >> > >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> >> > >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> >> > >
> >> > > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> >> > boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> >> > were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> > No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> >> > poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> >> > "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> >> > > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> >> > just say so and be done with it.
> >> > You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> >> > about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> >> > of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> >> > stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> >> > to get me to give you that true accound you don't have. Plus, you're
> >> > pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> >> > try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it." Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> >> > > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> >> > called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> >> > failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> >> > bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> >> > You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> >> > Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> >> > having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> >> > complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> >> > you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> >> > something better.
> >> Not to mention that Usenet isn't a good place to discuss personal matters.
> >>
> >> HTH and HAND.
>
> > Don't worry
> I won't.
>
> 🙂

Post editing does not change the original remarks, Donkey.

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George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
>>> George Dance:
>>>
>>> Bottom line this time: it worked. Thanks to Robert's and Michael's
>>>>> distraction, I didn't see the Chimp's "challenge". Which allowed his to
>>>>> pretend that he'd won, and proved his superiority as a poet, without
>>>>> having to actually write anything.
>>>
>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
>>
>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
>>
>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may stem from deeper, psychological issues.
>>
>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his father to come in to beat him.

> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.

Which he never did....

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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:17:35 PM UTC-5, Family Guy wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:29:55 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:43:40 AM UTC-5, Family Guy wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:40:26 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-5, cocodeso...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I never waited in bed with my pajama pants pulled down. Did you?
> > > >
> > > > I still do, just about every night.
> > > Invite the Dockery and Zod over and you won't be disappointed.
> > Your ongoing fantasy is noted, Dink.
> >
> >
> What fantasy? You two clearly have a homosexual relationship.

In your dreams... ha ha.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 02:21 UTC

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:12:15 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:59:11 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-5,
> > > > > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >> On 2022-11-26 4:33 p.m., ME wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 15:41:37 UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 2022-11-26 2:06 p.m., ME wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 13:37:51 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5,
> > > > > george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5,
> > > > > blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may
> > > > > stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in
> > > > > bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his
> > > > > father to come in to beat him.
> > > > > >>>>>>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> > > > > >>>>>> Pendragon can't post proof that doesn't exist.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> He has already posted the original post that dance made. and
> > > > > ya’ll have tried to claim that his account was just a spanking.
> > > > > >>>> No, ME, Michael did no such thing. He posted a stanza from one of my
> > > > > >>>> poems - this one
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KJsijQ-H4ec/m/RgVDeQWEBAAJ?hl=en
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> - which he'd previously claimed was an "account" of what had
> > > > > happened to
> > > > > >>>> me.
> > > > > >>>>> Who the fuck waits in bed as a child, with their pants down for a
> > > > > ‘spanking’?
> > > > > >>>>> That’s some fucked up shit there.
> > > > > >>>>> Like I said, if dance wasn’t such a dickhead, I might feel sorry
> > > > > for him…..
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> You are lying again dance.
> > > > > >> No, MEatpuppet, you're the one lying here.
> > > > > >>> That’s from one of your writings and it was discussed years ago.
> > > > > >> It's from a *poem* I wrote (that, yes, was discussed here years ago. I
> > > > > >> already told you that.
> > > > > >>> At which time, you shared that it was something you had experienced.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> No, you're lying about that. I 'shared' that the poem was about a
> > > > > >> "composite character" (one I constructed). I know you're only repeating
> > > > > >> your allies' lies, but you're a liar just the same.
> > > > > >>> You are so dishonest and petty,dance.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> You are a trashy little troll who just likes to insult people because
> > > > > >> you can get away with it online. And you're an incorrigible liar; only
> > > > > >> your Monkey friends even pretend to believe anything you say.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography..
> > > > > > If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > to get me to give you that true accound you don't have. Plus, you're
> > > > > pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it." Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > > For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > something better.
> > > > George Dance makes his meaning clear, he's calling you a liar, Pendragon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > Exactly.....
> > Splooge #3 weighs in.
> >
> > As expected.
> Did sWill or Sod say something? I usually miss their responses because of TSDR*.
> *Too Stupid Didn't Read

Same old same old.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 02:45 UTC

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> >
> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> based on my own experiences"?
> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
>
> An "autobiographical" account

BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."

I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."

Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.

< irrelevant "explanation" snipped >

> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> between history or creative literature, or the difference.

BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.

> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> >> just say so and be done with it.
> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.

Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).

If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.

If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.

But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.

> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >
> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> >
> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."

I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).

Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?

Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?

I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.

> That's hardly
> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> you (should) know it.

That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.

The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.

Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.

> >> Plus, you're
> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> >
> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> boy you are!

No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.

> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> "use" it?
> >
> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> more compelling story.

Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."

> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).

And what "detail" that?

My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?

> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> >
> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> embarrassed someone, now, would you?

You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.

> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> >>
> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> >> something better.
> >
> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> (immediately above).
> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.

I've never made any such interpretation, George.

You've either the reading comprehension skills of a Donkey, or you're lying and deflecting as most of us have come to believe you do almost constantly.

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Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
>> wrote:
>> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
>> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
>> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
>> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
>> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
>> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
>> >
>> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
>> based on my own experiences"?
>> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
>> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
>>
>> An "autobiographical" account

> BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

> I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."

> I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."

> Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.

> < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >

>> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
>> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
>> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
>> between history or creative literature, or the difference.

> BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

> That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.

>> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
>> >> just say so and be done with it.
>> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
>> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
>> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
>> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
>> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.

> Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).

> If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.

> If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.

> But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.

>> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
>> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
>> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
>> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
>> >
>> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
>> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
>> >
>> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
>> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
>> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
>> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
>> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
>> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
>> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."

> I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).

> Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?

> Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?

> I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.

>> That's hardly
>> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
>> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
>> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
>> you (should) know it.

> That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.

> The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.

> Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.

>> >> Plus, you're
>> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
>> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
>> >
>> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
>> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
>> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
>> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
>> boy you are!

> No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.

>> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
>> "use" it?
>> >
>> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
>> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
>> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
>> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
>> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
>> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
>> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
>> more compelling story.

> Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."

>> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
>> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
>> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
>> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).

> And what "detail" that?

> My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?

>> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
>> >
>> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
>> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
>> embarrassed someone, now, would you?

> You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.

>> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
>> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
>> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
>> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
>> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
>> >>
>> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
>> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
>> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
>> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
>> >> something better.
>> >
>> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
>> (immediately above).
>> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
>> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
>> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.

> I've never made any such interpretation


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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> >> wrote:
> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> >> >
> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> >> based on my own experiences"?
> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> >>
> >> An "autobiographical" account
>
> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
>
> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
>
> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
>
> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
>
>
> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
>
> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
>
> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
>
> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
>
> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
>
> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
>
> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
>
> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
>
> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
>
> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> >
> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> >> >
> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
>
> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
>
> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
>
> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
>
> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
>
> >> That's hardly
> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> >> you (should) know it.
>
> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
>
> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
>
> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
>
> >> >> Plus, you're
> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> >> >
> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> >> boy you are!
>
> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
>
> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> >> "use" it?
> >> >
> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> >> more compelling story.
>
> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
>
> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
>
> > And what "detail" that?
>
> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
>
> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> >> >
> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
>
> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
>
> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> >> >> something better.
> >> >
> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> >> (immediately above).
> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
>
> > I've never made any such interpretation
> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.


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Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
>> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
>> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
>> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
>> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
>> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
>> >> >
>> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
>> >> based on my own experiences"?
>> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
>> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
>> >>
>> >> An "autobiographical" account
>>
>> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
>>
>> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
>>
>> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
>>
>> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
>>
>>
>> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
>>
>> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
>> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
>> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
>> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
>>
>> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
>>
>> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
>>
>> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
>> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
>> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
>> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
>> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
>> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
>> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
>>
>> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
>>
>> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
>>
>> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
>>
>> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
>>
>> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
>> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
>> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
>> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
>> >> >
>> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
>> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
>> >> >
>> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
>> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
>> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
>> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
>> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
>> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
>> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
>>
>> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
>>
>> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
>>
>> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
>>
>> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
>>
>> >> That's hardly
>> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
>> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
>> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
>> >> you (should) know it.
>>
>> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
>>
>> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
>>
>> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
>>
>> >> >> Plus, you're
>> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
>> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
>> >> >
>> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
>> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
>> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
>> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
>> >> boy you are!
>>
>> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
>>
>> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
>> >> "use" it?
>> >> >
>> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
>> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
>> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
>> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
>> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
>> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
>> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
>> >> more compelling story.
>>
>> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
>>
>> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
>> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
>> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
>> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
>>
>> > And what "detail" that?
>>
>> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
>>
>> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
>> >> >
>> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
>> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
>> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
>>
>> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
>>
>> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
>> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
>> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
>> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
>> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
>> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
>> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
>> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
>> >> >> something better.
>> >> >
>> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
>> >> (immediately above).
>> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
>> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
>> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
>>
>> > I've never made any such interpretation
>> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.


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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> >> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> >> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> >> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> >> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> >> >> based on my own experiences"?
> >> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> >> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> >> >>
> >> >> An "autobiographical" account
> >>
> >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> >>
> >> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> >>
> >> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> >>
> >> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> >>
> >>
> >> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> >>
> >> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> >> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> >> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> >> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> >>
> >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> >>
> >> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> >>
> >> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> >> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> >> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> >> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> >> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> >> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> >> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> >>
> >> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> >>
> >> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> >>
> >> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> >>
> >> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> >>
> >> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> >> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> >> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> >> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> >> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> >> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> >> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> >> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> >> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> >> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> >> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> >>
> >> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> >>
> >> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> >>
> >> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> >>
> >> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> >>
> >> >> That's hardly
> >> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> >> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> >> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> >> >> you (should) know it.
> >>
> >> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> >>
> >> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> >>
> >> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> >>
> >> >> >> Plus, you're
> >> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> >> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> >> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> >> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> >> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> >> >> boy you are!
> >>
> >> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> >>
> >> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> >> >> "use" it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> >> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> >> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> >> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> >> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> >> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> >> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> >> >> more compelling story.
> >>
> >> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> >>
> >> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> >> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> >> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> >> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> >>
> >> > And what "detail" that?
> >>
> >> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> >>
> >> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> >> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> >> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> >>
> >> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> >>
> >> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> >> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> >> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> >> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> >> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> >> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> >> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> >> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> >> >> >> something better.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> >> >> (immediately above).
> >> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> >> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> >> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> >>
> >> > I've never made any such interpretation
> >> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
>
> > PP or STFU
> We can post when you were playing armchair psychiatrist earlier today, for starters, you shit spewing little monkey.


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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> >> wrote:
> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> >> >
> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> >> based on my own experiences"?
> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> >>
> >> An "autobiographical" account
>
> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
>
> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
>
> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
>
> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
>
>
> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
>
> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
>
> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
>
> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
>
> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
>
> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
>
> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
>
> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
>
> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
>
> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> >
> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> >> >
> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
>
> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
>
> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
>
> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
>
> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
>
> >> That's hardly
> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> >> you (should) know it.
>
> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
>
> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
>
> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
>
> >> >> Plus, you're
> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> >> >
> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> >> boy you are!
>
> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
>
> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> >> "use" it?
> >> >
> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> >> more compelling story.
>
> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
>
> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
>
> > And what "detail" that?
>
> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
>
> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> >> >
> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
>
> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
>
> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> >> >> something better.
> >> >
> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> >> (immediately above).
> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
>
> > I've never made any such interpretation
> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.


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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:24:13 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > >> >
> > >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > >> based on my own experiences"?
> > >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > >>
> > >> An "autobiographical" account
> >
> > > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> >
> > > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> >
> > > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> >
> > > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> >
> >
> > > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> >
> > >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> >
> > > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> >
> > > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> >
> > >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> >
> > > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> >
> > > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> >
> > > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> >
> > > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> >
> > >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >> >
> > >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > >> >
> > >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> >
> > > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> >
> > > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> >
> > > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> >
> > > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> >
> > >> That's hardly
> > >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > >> you (should) know it.
> >
> > > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> >
> > > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> >
> > > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> >
> > >> >> Plus, you're
> > >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > >> >
> > >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > >> boy you are!
> >
> > > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> >
> > >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > >> "use" it?
> > >> >
> > >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > >> more compelling story.
> >
> > > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> >
> > >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> >
> > > And what "detail" that?
> >
> > > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> >
> > >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > >> >
> > >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> >
> > > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> >
> > >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > >> >> something better.
> > >> >
> > >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > >> (immediately above).
> > >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> >
> > > I've never made any such interpretation
> > The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> Although you cannot prove it


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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 7:36:36 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:17:35 PM UTC-5, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:29:55 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:43:40 AM UTC-5, Family Guy wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:40:26 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-5, cocodeso...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I never waited in bed with my pajama pants pulled down. Did you?
> > > > >
> > > > > I still do, just about every night.
> > > > Invite the Dockery and Zod over and you won't be disappointed.
> > > Your ongoing fantasy is noted, Dink.
> > >
> > >
> > What fantasy? You two clearly have a homosexual relationship.
> In your dreams... ha ha.

Actually that would be reality.
If the two of you Tweedlepenis and Tweedlescrotum don't want others thinking you are in a same-sex relationship, then perhaps you should stop fellating each other on usenet.

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