On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:28:19 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:24:13 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > >> based on my own experiences"?
> > > >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > >>
> > > >> An "autobiographical" account
> > >
> > > > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > >
> > > > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > >
> > > > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > >
> > > > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > >
> > >
> > > > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > >
> > > >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> > >
> > > > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > >
> > > > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > >
> > > >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > >
> > > > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > >
> > > > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > >
> > > > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > >
> > > > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > >
> > > >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > >
> > > > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > >
> > > > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > >
> > > > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > >
> > > > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > >
> > > >> That's hardly
> > > >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > >> you (should) know it.
> > >
> > > > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> > >
> > > > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > >
> > > > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > >
> > > >> >> Plus, you're
> > > >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > >> boy you are!
> > >
> > > > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > >
> > > >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > >> "use" it?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > >> more compelling story.
> > >
> > > > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > >
> > > >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > >
> > > > And what "detail" that?
> > >
> > > > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > >
> > > >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > >
> > > > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > >
> > > >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > >> >> something better.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > >> (immediately above).
> > > >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > >
> > > > I've never made any such interpretation
> > > The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> > Although you cannot prove it
> Of course it can be proven.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:34:35 AM UTC-5, Family Guy wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:28:19 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:24:13 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > >> based on my own experiences"?
> > > > >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> An "autobiographical" account
> > > >
> > > > > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > >
> > > > > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > >
> > > > > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > >
> > > > > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > > >
> > > > >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> > > >
> > > > > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > >
> > > > > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > > >
> > > > >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > >
> > > > > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > > >
> > > > > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > > >
> > > > > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > > >
> > > > > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > > >
> > > > >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > > >
> > > > > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > > >
> > > > > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > > >
> > > > > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > > >
> > > > > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > > >
> > > > >> That's hardly
> > > > >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > >> you (should) know it.
> > > >
> > > > > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> > > >
> > > > > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > > >
> > > > > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > > >
> > > > >> >> Plus, you're
> > > > >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > >> boy you are!
> > > >
> > > > > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > > >
> > > > >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > >> "use" it?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > >> more compelling story.
> > > >
> > > > > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > > >
> > > > >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > >
> > > > > And what "detail" that?
> > > >
> > > > > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > > >
> > > > >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > >
> > > > > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > > >
> > > > >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > >> >> something better.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > >> (immediately above).
> > > > >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > >
> > > > > I've never made any such interpretation
> > > > The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> > > Although you cannot prove it
> > Of course it can be proven.
> Then do it

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:56:04 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > >> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > >> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > >> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > >> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > >> >> based on my own experiences"?
> > >> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > >> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> An "autobiographical" account
> > >>
> > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > >>
> > >> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > >>
> > >> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > >>
> > >> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > >>
> > >> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > >> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > >> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > >> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> > >>
> > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > >>
> > >> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > >>
> > >> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > >> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > >> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > >> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > >> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > >> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > >> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > >>
> > >> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > >>
> > >> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > >>
> > >> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > >>
> > >> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > >>
> > >> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > >> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > >> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > >> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > >> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > >> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > >> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > >> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > >> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > >> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > >> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > >>
> > >> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > >>
> > >> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > >>
> > >> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > >>
> > >> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > >>
> > >> >> That's hardly
> > >> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > >> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > >> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > >> >> you (should) know it.
> > >>
> > >> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> > >>
> > >> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > >>
> > >> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > >>
> > >> >> >> Plus, you're
> > >> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > >> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > >> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > >> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > >> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > >> >> boy you are!
> > >>
> > >> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > >>
> > >> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > >> >> "use" it?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > >> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > >> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > >> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > >> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > >> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > >> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > >> >> more compelling story.
> > >>
> > >> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > >>
> > >> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > >> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > >> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > >> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > >>
> > >> > And what "detail" that?
> > >>
> > >> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > >>
> > >> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > >> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > >> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > >>
> > >> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > >>
> > >> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > >> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > >> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > >> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > >> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > >> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > >> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > >> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > >> >> >> something better.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > >> >> (immediately above).
> > >> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > >> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > >> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > >>
> > >> > I've never made any such interpretation
> > >> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> >
> > > PP or STFU
> > We can post when you were playing armchair psychiatrist earlier today, for starters, you shit spewing little monkey.
> You've know idea what George and I are disagreeing over (above), have you, Donkey?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:28:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:56:04 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > >> >> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > >> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > >> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > >> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > >> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > >> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > >> >> based on my own experiences"?
> > > >> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > >> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> An "autobiographical" account
> > > >>
> > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > >>
> > > >> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > >>
> > > >> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > >>
> > > >> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > > >>
> > > >> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > >> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > >> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > >> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> > > >>
> > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > >>
> > > >> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > > >>
> > > >> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > >> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > >> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > >> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > >> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > >> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > >> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > >>
> > > >> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > > >>
> > > >> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > > >>
> > > >> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > > >>
> > > >> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > > >>
> > > >> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > >> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > >> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > >> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > >> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > >> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > >> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > >> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > >> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > >> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > >> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > > >>
> > > >> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > > >>
> > > >> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > > >>
> > > >> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > > >>
> > > >> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > > >>
> > > >> >> That's hardly
> > > >> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > >> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > >> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > >> >> you (should) know it.
> > > >>
> > > >> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> > > >>
> > > >> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > > >>
> > > >> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > > >>
> > > >> >> >> Plus, you're
> > > >> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > >> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > >> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > >> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > >> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > >> >> boy you are!
> > > >>
> > > >> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > > >>
> > > >> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > >> >> "use" it?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > >> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > >> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > >> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > >> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > >> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > >> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > >> >> more compelling story.
> > > >>
> > > >> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > > >>
> > > >> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > >> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > >> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > >> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > >>
> > > >> > And what "detail" that?
> > > >>
> > > >> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > > >>
> > > >> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > >> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > >> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > >>
> > > >> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > > >>
> > > >> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > >> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > >> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > >> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > >> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > >> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > >> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > >> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > >> >> >> something better.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > >> >> (immediately above).
> > > >> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > >> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > >> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > >>
> > > >> > I've never made any such interpretation
> > > >> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> > >
> > > > PP or STFU
> > > We can post when you were playing armchair psychiatrist earlier today, for starters, you shit spewing little monkey.
> > You've know idea what George and I are disagreeing over (above), have you, Donkey?
> He has know idea, know idea at all what you and George are disagreeing over.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:38:42 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:28:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:56:04 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > > >> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > >> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > >> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > >> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > >> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > >> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > >> >> based on my own experiences"?
> > > > >> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > >> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> An "autobiographical" account
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences.."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > >> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > >> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > >> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > >> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > >> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > >> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > >> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > >> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > >> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences.. Again,
> > > > >> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > >> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > >> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > >> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > >> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > >> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > >> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > >> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > >> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > >> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> That's hardly
> > > > >> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > >> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > >> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > >> >> you (should) know it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued..
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> >> Plus, you're
> > > > >> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > >> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > >> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > >> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > >> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > >> >> boy you are!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > >> >> "use" it?
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > >> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > >> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > >> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > >> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > >> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > >> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > >> >> more compelling story.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > >> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > >> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > >> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > And what "detail" that?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > >> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > >> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > >> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > >> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > >> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > >> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > >> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > >> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > >> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > >> >> >> something better.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > >> >> (immediately above).
> > > > >> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > >> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > >> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis..
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I've never made any such interpretation
> > > > >> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> > > >
> > > > > PP or STFU
> > > > We can post when you were playing armchair psychiatrist earlier today, for starters, you shit spewing little monkey.
> > > You've know idea what George and I are disagreeing over (above), have you, Donkey?
> > He has know idea, know idea at all what you and George are disagreeing over.
> Of course I do, Corey.
>
> Speak for yourself.
>
> HTH and HAND.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:48:11 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:38:42 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:28:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:56:04 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca
> > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > >> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > >> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > >> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > >> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > >> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > >> >> based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > >> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > >> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> An "autobiographical" account
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > >> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > >> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > >> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > >> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > >> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > >> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > >> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > >> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > >> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > >> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > >> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > >> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > >> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > >> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > >> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > >> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > >> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > >> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > >> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> That's hardly
> > > > > >> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > >> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > >> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > >> >> you (should) know it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> >> Plus, you're
> > > > > >> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > >> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > >> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > >> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > >> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > > >> >> boy you are!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > >> >> "use" it?
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > >> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > >> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > >> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > >> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > >> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > >> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > >> >> more compelling story.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > >> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > >> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > >> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > And what "detail" that?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > >> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > >> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > >> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > >> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > >> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > >> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > >> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > >> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > >> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > >> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > >> >> >> something better.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > >> >> (immediately above).
> > > > > >> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > >> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > >> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I've never made any such interpretation
> > > > > >> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> > > > >
> > > > > > PP or STFU
> > > > > We can post when you were playing armchair psychiatrist earlier today, for starters, you shit spewing little monkey.
> > > > You've know idea what George and I are disagreeing over (above), have you, Donkey?
> > > He has know idea, know idea at all what you and George are disagreeing over.
> > Of course I do, Corey.
> >
> > Speak for yourself.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> Know, you obviously don’t.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:54:48 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:48:11 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:38:42 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:28:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:56:04 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > >> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > > >> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > > >> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > >> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > > >> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > > >> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > > >> >> based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > > >> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > > >> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> An "autobiographical" account
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > > >> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > > >> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > > >> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference..
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > > >> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > > >> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > > >> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > > >> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > > >> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > > >> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have..
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > > >> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > > >> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > > >> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > > >> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > > >> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > > >> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > > >> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > > >> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > > >> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > > >> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> That's hardly
> > > > > > >> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > > >> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > > >> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > > >> >> you (should) know it.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> >> Plus, you're
> > > > > > >> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > > >> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > > >> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > > >> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > > >> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew.. What a silly
> > > > > > >> >> boy you are!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > > >> >> "use" it?
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > > >> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > > >> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > > >> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > > >> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > > >> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > > >> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > > >> >> more compelling story.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > > >> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > > >> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > > >> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > And what "detail" that?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > > >> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > > >> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > > >> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > > >> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > > >> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > > >> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > > >> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > > >> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > > >> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > > >> >> >> something better.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > > >> >> (immediately above).
> > > > > > >> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > > >> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > > >> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I've never made any such interpretation
> > > > > > >> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > PP or STFU
> > > > > > We can post when you were playing armchair psychiatrist earlier today, for starters, you shit spewing little monkey.
> > > > > You've know idea what George and I are disagreeing over (above), have you, Donkey?
> > > > He has know idea, know idea at all what you and George are disagreeing over.
> > > Of course I do, Corey.
> > >
> > > Speak for yourself.
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > Know, you obviously don’t.
> Didn't Yoda say that once, in a galaxy far, far away?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:57:34 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:54:48 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:48:11 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:38:42 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:28:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:56:04 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > > > >> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > > > >> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > >> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again.. I said that my
> > > > > > > >> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > > > >> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > > > >> >> based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > > > >> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > > > >> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> An "autobiographical" account
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > > > >> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > > > >> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > > > >> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > > > >> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > > > >> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > > > >> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > > > >> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > > > >> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > > > >> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > > > >> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > > > >> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > > > >> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > > > >> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > > > >> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > > > >> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > > > >> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > > > >> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > > > >> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > > > >> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> That's hardly
> > > > > > > >> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > > > >> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > > > >> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > > > >> >> you (should) know it.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >> Plus, you're
> > > > > > > >> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > > > >> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > > > >> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > > > >> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > > > >> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > > > > >> >> boy you are!
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > > > >> >> "use" it?
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > > > >> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > > > >> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > > > >> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > > > >> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > > > >> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > > > >> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > > > >> >> more compelling story.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > > > >> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > > > >> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > > > >> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > And what "detail" that?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > > > >> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > > > >> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > > > >> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > > > >> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > > > >> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > > > >> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > > > >> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > > > >> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > > > >> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > > > >> >> >> something better.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > > > >> >> (immediately above).
> > > > > > > >> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > > > >> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > > > >> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > I've never made any such interpretation
> > > > > > > >> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PP or STFU
> > > > > > > We can post when you were playing armchair psychiatrist earlier today, for starters, you shit spewing little monkey.
> > > > > > You've know idea what George and I are disagreeing over (above), have you, Donkey?
> > > > > He has know idea, know idea at all what you and George are disagreeing over.
> > > > Of course I do, Corey.
> > > >
> > > > Speak for yourself.
> > > >
> > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > Know, you obviously don’t.
> > Didn't Yoda say that once, in a galaxy far, far away?
> Know, he did knot.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:48:11 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:38:42 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:28:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:56:04 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca
> > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > >> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > >> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > >> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > >> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > >> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > >> >> based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > >> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > >> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> An "autobiographical" account
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > >> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > >> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > >> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > >> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > >> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > >> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > >> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > >> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > >> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > >> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > >> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > >> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > >> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > >> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > >> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > >> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > >> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > >> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > >> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> That's hardly
> > > > > >> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > >> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > >> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > >> >> you (should) know it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> >> Plus, you're
> > > > > >> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > >> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > >> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > >> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > >> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > > >> >> boy you are!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > >> >> "use" it?
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > >> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > >> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > >> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > >> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > >> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > >> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > >> >> more compelling story.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > >> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > >> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > >> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > And what "detail" that?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > >> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > >> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > >> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > >> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > >> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > >> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > >> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > >> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > >> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > >> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > >> >> >> something better.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > >> >> (immediately above).
> > > > > >> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > >> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > >> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I've never made any such interpretation
> > > > > >> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> > > > >
> > > > > > PP or STFU
> > > > > We can post when you were playing armchair psychiatrist earlier today, for starters, you shit spewing little monkey.
> > > > You've know idea what George and I are disagreeing over (above), have you, Donkey?
> > > He has know idea, know idea at all what you and George are disagreeing over.
> > Of course I do, Corey.
> >
> > Speak for yourself.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> Know, you obviously don’t.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:13:27 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:48:11 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:38:42 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:28:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:56:04 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > >> >> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > > >> >> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > > >> >> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > >> >> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > > >> >> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > > >> >> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > > >> >> based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > > >> >> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > > >> >> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> An "autobiographical" account
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I did not ask for you to explain the difference between an "autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I asked for you to explain the difference between a "largely autobiographical" account and an account "largely based on my own experiences."
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Those were the words we'd used. Those are the words I want you to explain.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > < irrelevant "explanation" snipped >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > > >> >> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > > >> >> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > > >> >> between history or creative literature, or the difference..
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > BAZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > That was not my question, George. Please answer the questions I've asked -- not the made up "questions" you'd prefer.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > > >> >> >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > > >> >> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > > >> >> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > > >> >> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > > >> >> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > > >> >> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have..
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Wrong. I'm asking you to confirm or deny the bare-assed incident(s).
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > If you poem is "largely based on (your) on my own experiences," the greater portion of if must be autobiographical.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > If you say that the kid with his pajama pants down was based on some other kid you knew, I won't challenge it.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > But you have to say it in order for me to think that it is not one of the autobiographical recollections in your poem.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > > >> >> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > > >> >> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > > >> >> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > > >> >> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > > >> >> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > > >> >> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > > >> >> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > > >> >> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > > >> >> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > > >> >> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy."
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I'm aware that you've said it. I'm also aware that you're now attempting to deny it (albeit via inane semantics-driven arguments).
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Did you father deliver said punishment with a belt?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Did he whip you through your pants, or did he have you pull them down?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I realize that this is a painful subject for you, but since you've chosen to immortalize it in your poem, you have to face the inevitable questions that arise from it.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> That's hardly
> > > > > > >> >> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > > >> >> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > > >> >> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > > >> >> you (should) know it.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > That is not what I want to argue, nor is it what I have argued.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > The home situation depicted in your poem went far above the usual levels of punishment/repression/rules/etc.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Your "largely" autobiographical speaker was basically kept prisoner as a child laborer inside the house -- gazing longingly out the window watching other children enjoying the freedom to run and play that he would never know.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> >> Plus, you're
> > > > > > >> >> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > > >> >> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > > >> >> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > > >> >> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > > >> >> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew.. What a silly
> > > > > > >> >> boy you are!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > No, George. I'm refusing to refer to him by your childish names.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > > >> >> "use" it?
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > > >> >> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > > >> >> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > > >> >> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > > >> >> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > > >> >> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > > >> >> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > > >> >> more compelling story.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Not if his patient told him that his "creative literature" was "largely based on (his) own experiences."
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > > >> >> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > > >> >> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > > >> >> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > And what "detail" that?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > My assumption that it was a daily practice? Did you only get whipped on days with an "r" in their name?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > > >> >> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > > >> >> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > You're the one who posted your childhood recollections here, George. I'm assuming that if you're willing to write about them in a poem, you aren't embarrassed over them.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > > >> >> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > > >> >> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > > >> >> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > > >> >> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > > >> >> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > > >> >> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > > >> >> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > > >> >> >> something better.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > > >> >> (immediately above).
> > > > > > >> >> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > > >> >> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > > >> >> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I've never made any such interpretation
> > > > > > >> The archives show differently, you lying little monkey.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > PP or STFU
> > > > > > We can post when you were playing armchair psychiatrist earlier today, for starters, you shit spewing little monkey.
> > > > > You've know idea what George and I are disagreeing over (above), have you, Donkey?
> > > > He has know idea, know idea at all what you and George are disagreeing over.
> > > Of course I do, Corey.
> > >
> > > Speak for yourself.
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > Know, you obviously don’t.
> In your opinion, you mean, since I actually do.
>
> 🙂

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> >
> > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> based on my own experiences"?
> I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
>
> An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> own beliefs about it.
> >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> >> just say so and be done with it.
> >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> >
> > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> >
> > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> >
> > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> you (should) know it.
> >> Plus, you're
> >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> >
> > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> boy you are!
> > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> "use" it?
> >
> > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> >
> > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> >>
> >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> >> something better.
> >
> > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> (immediately above).
> It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.

If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.

HTH and HAND.

> <snip>

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > >
> > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > based on my own experiences"?
> > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> >
> > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > own beliefs about it.
> > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > >
> > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >
> > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > >
> > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > you (should) know it.
> > >> Plus, you're
> > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > >
> > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave..
> > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > boy you are!
> > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > "use" it?
> > >
> > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > >
> > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > >>
> > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > >> something better.
> > >
> > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > (immediately above).
> > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
>
> HTH and HAND.
>
> > <snip>

Know, you obviously don’t.

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >> George Dance:
> >>
> >> Bottom line this time: it worked. Thanks to Robert's and Michael's
> >>>> distraction, I didn't see the Chimp's "challenge". Which allowed his to
> >>>> pretend that he'd won, and proved his superiority as a poet, without
> >>>> having to actually write anything.
> >>
> >> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> >
> > Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> >
> > This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> >
> > I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his father to come in to beat him.
> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.

I read and understood the posts from Michael Pendragon and George Dance quoted above.

HTH and HAND.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:32:28 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >> George Dance:
> > >>
> > >> Bottom line this time: it worked. Thanks to Robert's and Michael's
> > >>>> distraction, I didn't see the Chimp's "challenge". Which allowed his to
> > >>>> pretend that he'd won, and proved his superiority as a poet, without
> > >>>> having to actually write anything.
> > >>
> > >> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
> > >
> > > Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
> > >
> > > This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may stem from deeper, psychological issues.
> > >
> > > I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his father to come in to beat him.
> > NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.
> I read and understood the posts from Michael Pendragon and George Dance quoted above.
>
> HTH and HAND.

Know, no, know, no, know, you obviously did knot!

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > >
> > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > based on my own experiences"?
> > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> >
> > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > own beliefs about it.
> > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > >
> > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > >
> > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > >
> > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > you (should) know it.
> > >> Plus, you're
> > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > >
> > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > boy you are!
> > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > "use" it?
> > >
> > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > >
> > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > >>
> > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > >> something better.
> > >
> > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > (immediately above).
> > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
>
> HTH and HAND.
>
> > <snip>

You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:38:12 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > >
> > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > based on my own experiences"?
> > > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > >
> > > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > > own beliefs about it.
> > > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > >
> > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > >
> > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > >
> > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > you (should) know it.
> > > >> Plus, you're
> > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > >
> > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > boy you are!
> > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > "use" it?
> > > >
> > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > >
> > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > >>
> > > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > >> something better.
> > > >
> > > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > (immediately above).
> > > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> >
> > > <snip>
> You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:38:12 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > >
> > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > based on my own experiences"?
> > > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > >
> > > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > > own beliefs about it.
> > > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > >
> > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > >
> > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > >
> > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > you (should) know it.
> > > >> Plus, you're
> > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > >
> > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > boy you are!
> > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > "use" it?
> > > >
> > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > >
> > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > >>
> > > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > >> something better.
> > > >
> > > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > (immediately above).
> > > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> >
> > > <snip>
> You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:52:00 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:38:12 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > based on my own experiences"?
> > > > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > >
> > > > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > > > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > > > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > > > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > > > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > > > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > > > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > > > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > > > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > > > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > > > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > > > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > > > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > > > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > > > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > > > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > > > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > > > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > > > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > > > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > > > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > > > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > > > own beliefs about it.
> > > > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > >
> > > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > >
> > > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > > > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > you (should) know it.
> > > > >> Plus, you're
> > > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > >
> > > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > boy you are!
> > > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > "use" it?
> > > > >
> > > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > >
> > > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > >> something better.
> > > > >
> > > > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > (immediately above).
> > > > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > >
> > > > <snip>
> > You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.
> I understand hyperbole, and your statement is a good example of that, Robert.
>
> 🙂

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:52:00 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:38:12 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > >
> > > > > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > > > > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > > > > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > > > > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > > > > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > > > > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > > > > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > > > > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > > > > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > > > > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > > > > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > > > > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > > > > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > > > > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > > > > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > > > > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > > > > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > > > > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > > > > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > > > > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > > > > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > > > > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > > > > own beliefs about it.
> > > > > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > > > > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > you (should) know it.
> > > > > >> Plus, you're
> > > > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > > boy you are!
> > > > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > "use" it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else)..
> > > > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > >> something better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > (immediately above).
> > > > > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
> > > >
> > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.
> > I understand hyperbole, and your statement is a good example of that, Robert.
> >
>
> You don’t understand nuance, and subtlety eludes you.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:13:59 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:52:00 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:38:12 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > > based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > > > > > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > > > > > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > > > > > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > > > > > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > > > > > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > > > > > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > > > > > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > > > > > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > > > > > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > > > > > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > > > > > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > > > > > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > > > > > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > > > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > > > > > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > > > > > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > > > > > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > > > > > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > > > > > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > > > > > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > > > > > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > > > > > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > > > > > own beliefs about it.
> > > > > > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > > > > > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > > you (should) know it.
> > > > > > >> Plus, you're
> > > > > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > > > boy you are!
> > > > > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > > "use" it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence.. You tried;
> > > > > > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > > >> something better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you...."
> > > > > > (immediately above).
> > > > > > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > > If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.
> > > I understand hyperbole, and your statement is a good example of that, Robert.
> > >
> >
> > You don’t understand nuance, and subtlety eludes you.
> Not true.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:58:43 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:13:59 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:52:00 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:38:12 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > > > based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > > > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > > > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > > > > > > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > > > > > > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > > > > > > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > > > > > > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > > > > > > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > > > > > > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > > > > > > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > > > > > > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > > > > > > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > > > > > > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > > > > > > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > > > > > > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > > > > > > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > > > > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > > > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > > > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > > > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > > > > > > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > > > > > > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > > > > > > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > > > > > > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > > > > > > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > > > > > > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > > > > > > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > > > > > > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > > > > > > own beliefs about it.
> > > > > > > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences.. Again,
> > > > > > > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > > > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > > > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > > > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > > > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > > > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > > > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > > > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > > > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > > > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > > > > > > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > > > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > > > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > > > you (should) know it.
> > > > > > > >> Plus, you're
> > > > > > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > > > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > > > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > > > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > > > > boy you are!
> > > > > > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > > > "use" it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > > > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > > > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > > > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > > > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > > > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > > > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > > > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > > > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > > > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > > > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > > > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > > > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > > > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > > > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > > > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > > > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > > > >> something better.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > > > (immediately above).
> > > > > > > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > > > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > > > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis..
> > > > > > If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.
> > > > I understand hyperbole, and your statement is a good example of that, Robert.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You don’t understand nuance, and subtlety eludes you.
> > Not true.
> Again, the truth is self-evident.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:58:43 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:13:59 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:52:00 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:38:12 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > > > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > > > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > > > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > > > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > > > > based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > > > > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > > > > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > > > > > > > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > > > > > > > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > > > > > > > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > > > > > > > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > > > > > > > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > > > > > > > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > > > > > > > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > > > > > > > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > > > > > > > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > > > > > > > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > > > > > > > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > > > > > > > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > > > > > > > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > > > > > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > > > > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > > > > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > > > > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > > > > > > > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > > > > > > > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > > > > > > > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > > > > > > > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > > > > > > > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > > > > > > > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > > > > > > > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > > > > > > > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > > > > > > > own beliefs about it.
> > > > > > > > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > > > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > > > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > > > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > > > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > > > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > > > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > > > > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > > > > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > > > > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > > > > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > > > > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > > > > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > > > > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > > > > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > > > > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > > > > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > > > > > > > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > > > > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > > > > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > > > > you (should) know it.
> > > > > > > > >> Plus, you're
> > > > > > > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > > > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > > > > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > > > > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > > > > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > > > > > boy you are!
> > > > > > > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > > > > "use" it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > > > > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > > > > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > > > > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > > > > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > > > > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > > > > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > > > > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > > > > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > > > > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > > > > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > > > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > > > > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > > > > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > > > > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > > > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > > > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > > > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > > > > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > > > > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > > > > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > > > > >> something better.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > > > > (immediately above).
> > > > > > > > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > > > > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > > > > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > > > > If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.
> > > > > I understand hyperbole, and your statement is a good example of that, Robert.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You don’t understand nuance, and subtlety eludes you.
> > > Not true.
> > Again, the truth is self-evident.
> No, not just because you say so.
>
> It is an opinion that you can't seem to explain.

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-17 8:40 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:46:43 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >> George Dance:
>> >>
>> >> Bottom line this time: it worked. Thanks to Robert's and Michael's
>> >>>> distraction, I didn't see the Chimp's "challenge". Which allowed his to
>> >>>> pretend that he'd won, and proved his superiority as a poet, without
>> >>>> having to actually write anything.
>> >>
>> >> This Mensa man has some serious issues.
>> >
>> > Paranoia with a resultant persecution complex.
>> >
>> > This can be the result of excessive marijuana use, or it may stem from deeper, psychological issues.
>> >
>> > I remember George saying that as a boy, he'd have to lie in bed with his pajama pants pulled down each night while he waited for his father to come in to beat him.
>> NO, you don't remember any such thing. PPoSTFU.

> I read and understood the posts from Michael Pendragon and George Dance quoted above.

> HTH and HAND.

which was quite clear and simply stated, who couldn't understand G.D. here...?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:58:43 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:13:59 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:52:00 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:38:12 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > > > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > > > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > > > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > > > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > > > > based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > > > > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > > > > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > > > > > > > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > > > > > > > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > > > > > > > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > > > > > > > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > > > > > > > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > > > > > > > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > > > > > > > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > > > > > > > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > > > > > > > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > > > > > > > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > > > > > > > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > > > > > > > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > > > > > > > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > > > > > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > > > > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > > > > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > > > > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > > > > > > > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > > > > > > > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > > > > > > > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > > > > > > > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > > > > > > > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > > > > > > > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > > > > > > > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > > > > > > > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > > > > > > > own beliefs about it.
> > > > > > > > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > > > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > > > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > > > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > > > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > > > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > > > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > > > > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > > > > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > > > > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > > > > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > > > > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > > > > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > > > > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > > > > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > > > > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > > > > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > > > > > > > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > > > > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > > > > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > > > > you (should) know it.
> > > > > > > > >> Plus, you're
> > > > > > > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > > > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > > > > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > > > > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > > > > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > > > > > boy you are!
> > > > > > > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > > > > "use" it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > > > > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > > > > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > > > > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > > > > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > > > > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > > > > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > > > > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > > > > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > > > > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > > > > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > > > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > > > > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > > > > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > > > > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > > > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > > > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > > > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > > > > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > > > > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > > > > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > > > > >> something better.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > > > > (immediately above).
> > > > > > > > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > > > > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > > > > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > > > > If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.
> > > > > I understand hyperbole, and your statement is a good example of that, Robert.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You don’t understand nuance, and subtlety eludes you.
> > > Not true.
> > Again, the truth is self-evident.
> No, not just because you say so.
>
> It is an opinion that you can't seem to explain.
>
> HTH and HAND.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:58:43 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:13:59 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:52:00 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:38:12 AM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 4:57:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2022-11-28 3:41 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On 2022-11-28 12:43 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> You said that your poem was "largely" autobiographical, and that the
> > > > > > > > >> boys in your household (one assumes you number yourselves among them)
> > > > > > > > >> were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > > >> No, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again. I said that my
> > > > > > > > >> poem was largely based on my own experiences. I did not say it was
> > > > > > > > >> "autobiographical" at all. It isn't: it's a poem, not a biography.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What's the difference between "largely autobiographical" and "largely
> > > > > > > > based on my own experiences"?
> > > > > > > > I'll t5y to explain the distinction and the difference, though I doubt
> > > > > > > > that you're capable of understanding it. Still, other readers may be.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An "autobiographical" account is an example of writing history. A poem
> > > > > > > > "largely based on my own experiences" is an example of writing creative
> > > > > > > > literature. History and creative literature are both forms of writing,
> > > > > > > > but they are not the same. The purpose of writing history is to give an
> > > > > > > > accurate account of the real facts, to give an account of events as they
> > > > > > > > actually happened; one is limited to those actual facts. The purpose of
> > > > > > > > creative literature is to write a compelling account. Creative
> > > > > > > > literature can use real facts, but is not limited to them; it can also
> > > > > > > > add and omit facts, change details of events, and even invent new
> > > > > > > > events; one is *not* limited to the actual facts. That's the difference
> > > > > > > > for a writer. The difference for a reader is: when you read someone's
> > > > > > > > autobiography, you can assume that all the eeerything he's describing
> > > > > > > > happened to him, or at least he thinks they did; but when you read a
> > > > > > > > person's first-person story or poem, you cannot make any such assumption.
> > > > > > > > > Answer: There is no difference. You're nitpicking again, in an
> > > > > > > > attempt to avoid the issue. IOW: Dance goes into his dance.
> > > > > > > > As I said, I don't think you're capable of understanding the distinction
> > > > > > > > between history or creative literature, or the difference. That is
> > > > > > > > reflected not only in your own inability to understand that a poem is a
> > > > > > > > work of creative literature and not an autobiography, but also in your
> > > > > > > > own attempts to give the history of aapc, which are usually more
> > > > > > > > creative literature than history. It is not, as some have claimed, that
> > > > > > > > you're a compulsive liar: you are simply incapable of telling the
> > > > > > > > difference between history (what actually happened) and your own
> > > > > > > > imaginative interpretations of what happened (creative literature). In
> > > > > > > > plain language, you cannot tell the difference between reality and your
> > > > > > > > own beliefs about it.
> > > > > > > > >>> If the boy lying in bed with his pajama pants pulled down wasn't you,
> > > > > > > > >> just say so and be done with it.
> > > > > > > > >> You're too much. For a week you've been backing up the Chimp's troll
> > > > > > > > >> about my mental health (pure IKYABWAI) with this so-called true account
> > > > > > > > >> of my childhood you found -- which turned out to be no such thing, but a
> > > > > > > > >> stanza from one of my poems. Rather than just drop it, you're now trying
> > > > > > > > >> to get me to give you that true accound you don't have.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > AFAICS, the incident is based on your childhood experiences. Again,
> > > > > > > > we have your admission that the poem was "was largely based on my own
> > > > > > > > experiences," coupled with your claim that all of the boys in your
> > > > > > > > household were subjected to "corporal punishment."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Unless you were a girl who underwent a sex-change in adulthood, you
> > > > > > > > were subjected to corporal punishment as a boy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of course I can't know whether you've undergone a sex-change
> > > > > > > > operation, and you can argue on the basis of your unknown childhood
> > > > > > > > gender status till you're blue in the face -- but as the sex-change
> > > > > > > > scenario seems extremely unlikely, I'm going to accept the
> > > > > > > > bare-bottomed-boy stanza as "autobiographical."
> > > > > > > > Michael, Michael, Miehael; who are you arguing with? I've already said
> > > > > > > > that I was "subjected to corporal punishment as a boy." That's hardly
> > > > > > > > unique. If you now want to argue that everyone "subjected to corporal
> > > > > > > > punishment as a boy" is paranoiac and has a persecution complex, you go
> > > > > > > > right ahead, but that's not what you have been arguing up to now, and
> > > > > > > > you (should) know it.
> > > > > > > > >> Plus, you're
> > > > > > > > >> pretending that if I give you that, you and the Chimp will never, ever
> > > > > > > > >> try to use it -- we'll all be "done with it."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If by "the Chimp," you're childishly referring to Jim, you've
> > > > > > > > successfully driven off of AAPC. He'll soon be taking a permanent leave.
> > > > > > > > Are you still feigning ignorance of who "the Chimp" is? No, you're
> > > > > > > > admitting it, but just trying to pretend no one else knew. What a silly
> > > > > > > > boy you are!
> > > > > > > > > As per myself, when did I ever say or imply that I was never going to
> > > > > > > > "use" it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A bare-assed boy dutifully awaiting punishment (a whipping) every
> > > > > > > > night is a key factor in your psychological profile. No self-respecting
> > > > > > > > armchair var. psychologist would dream of discounting it.
> > > > > > > > But a psychiatrist of any kind, whose primary interest is his patient's
> > > > > > > > history and not in writing creative literature, would use only what his
> > > > > > > > patient told him of that, and would resist the temptation to indulge in
> > > > > > > > creative literature by imaging and adding details to give his patient a
> > > > > > > > more compelling story. And you, most assuredly, are not doing that.
> > > > > > > > Notice, for example, the one detail you just imagined in the above
> > > > > > > > paragraph that was not in the poem you were trying to use as a true
> > > > > > > > account (since you're incapable of imagining it as anything else).
> > > > > > > > >> Not gonna happen, MMPJR.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > IOW: My analysis has hit home and you're embarrassed by it.
> > > > > > > > You wouldn't find it a compelling story if it didn't include that you'd
> > > > > > > > embarrassed someone, now, would you?
> > > > > > > > >>> For the past week or so, you've simply been trolling over my having
> > > > > > > > >> called it "autobiographical" instead of "largely autobiographical" in a
> > > > > > > > >> failed attempt to avoid the issue: whether the passage about the
> > > > > > > > >> bare-bottomed boy was autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > >> You're obviously the boy, and obviously a troll.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Why do you lie so much, MIchael? I've been "trolling" you over your
> > > > > > > > >> having called my mental condition "Paranoia with a resultant persecution
> > > > > > > > >> complex", and misusing a poem of mine for your only evidence. You tried;
> > > > > > > > >> you failed: drop it and move on: try somewhere else when you can find
> > > > > > > > >> something better.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How am I lying when you admit that "I've been "trolling" you..."
> > > > > > > > (immediately above).
> > > > > > > > It's amazing how you'd interpret "Why do you lie such much, Michael?" as
> > > > > > > > an admission that you've been telling the truth. It does make a better
> > > > > > > > story for you, though, so I'd say that supports my hypothesis.
> > > > > > > If the above is what you refer to, Corey, I read and understood it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > You're inveterately anti-semantic, Will, and you've misunderstood every word that you've ever read.
> > > > > I understand hyperbole, and your statement is a good example of that, Robert.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You don’t understand nuance, and subtlety eludes you.
> > > Not true.
> > Again, the truth is self-evident.
> No, not just because you say so.
>
> It is an opinion that you can't seem to explain.